[FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas on God
H."Am I sure?" Pretty sure...but a good question to ask, yes? Here's something funny. The day before you posted the reply that includes the sentence below, I read the following sentence and said to myself, "I must look up this word "noumenal." (Yes, I'd say I'm a beginner in a lot of ways today.) "Looking deeply into the phenomenological world, we touch the true nature, the noumenal world." "And all phenomena are manifestations of the noumenon (a thing as it is in itself, as distinct from a thing as it is knowable by the senses through phenomenal attributes). So ultimately "the real thing" transcends phenomena. ~s3raphita Things like that happen all the time here for me. I'll ask a question silently and suddenly a topic will address it somehow. I don't really believe it, so I just keep testing! Ha. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Re "The Buddhist idea of Dependent Co-Arising, which is a philosophy that would allow for the concept of infinite regression to exist": Intriguing suggestion. Never thought of that. You sure you're a novice? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : These Crash Courses are good at instructing the ignorant masses. At about 8:15 in, he states that Aquinas takes it as a given that everything must have a cause other than itself, and that therefore, his argument of God as "first cause" is self-defeating because why wouldn't "God" have to abide by the same "rules." I thought that was one of the deals with theism - no "God" doesn't abide by the same "rules" as his creation. I don't try to talk intelligently about any of this because I'm such a novice, but just read the Buddhist idea of Dependent Co-Arising, which is a philosophy that would allow for the concept of infinite regression to exist, in theory. Seems to get down to the age-old discussion of dualistic vs non-dualistic view/approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Cosmological arguments of Aquinas. Also discusses flaws and counterarguments. Aquinas basically examines causes and effects, saying that if one traces origins backwards, there can't be an infinite regress. But on the contrary, that could be a false presumption on his part. Aquinas and the Cosmological Arguments: Crash Course Philosophy #10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Aquinas and the Cosmological Arguments: Crash Course P... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Our unit on the philosophy of religion and the existence of god continues with Thomas Aquinas. Today, we consider his first four arguments: the cosmological ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas on God
Re "The Buddhist idea of Dependent Co-Arising, which is a philosophy that would allow for the concept of infinite regression to exist": Intriguing suggestion. Never thought of that. You sure you're a novice? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : These Crash Courses are good at instructing the ignorant masses. At about 8:15 in, he states that Aquinas takes it as a given that everything must have a cause other than itself, and that therefore, his argument of God as "first cause" is self-defeating because why wouldn't "God" have to abide by the same "rules." I thought that was one of the deals with theism - no "God" doesn't abide by the same "rules" as his creation. I don't try to talk intelligently about any of this because I'm such a novice, but just read the Buddhist idea of Dependent Co-Arising, which is a philosophy that would allow for the concept of infinite regression to exist, in theory. Seems to get down to the age-old discussion of dualistic vs non-dualistic view/approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Cosmological arguments of Aquinas. Also discusses flaws and counterarguments. Aquinas basically examines causes and effects, saying that if one traces origins backwards, there can't be an infinite regress. But on the contrary, that could be a false presumption on his part. Aquinas and the Cosmological Arguments: Crash Course Philosophy #10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Aquinas and the Cosmological Arguments: Crash Course P... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Our unit on the philosophy of religion and the existence of god continues with Thomas Aquinas. Today, we consider his first four arguments: the cosmological ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas on God
Judy, I personally liked to use the Kalaam Cosmological Argument (KCA) when discussing this topic. I enjoyed debating this topic with our former members, like Curtis and Xeno. But they seemed to skip a thought in making their position, or gloss over a counter point, which convinced me that arguing with them was pointless. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Be aware that "first cause" in Aquinas's thinking doesn't mean *temporal* first cause but *ontological* first cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Cosmological arguments of Aquinas. Also discusses flaws and counterarguments. Aquinas basically examines causes and effects, saying that if one traces origins backwards, there can't be an infinite regress. But on the contrary, that could be a false presumption on his part. Aquinas and the Cosmological Arguments: Crash Course Philosophy #10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Aquinas and the Cosmological Arguments: Crash Course P... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Our unit on the philosophy of religion and the existence of god continues with Thomas Aquinas. Today, we consider his first four arguments: the cosmological ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas on God
Emily, When the so-called atheists, like Xeno and Curtis, were members here in this forum, I used the Kalaam Cosmological to argue the position of theism. Kalam cosmological argument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam_cosmological_argument Kalam cosmological argument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam_cosmological_argument The Kalām cosmological argument (sometimes capitalized as Kalam Cosmological Argument; abbreviated KCA) is a modern formulation of the cosmological argument for the existence of God rooted in the Ilm al-Kalam heritage in medieval Islamic scholasticism. An outspoken ... View on en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam_cosmological_argument Preview by Yahoo But they found ways to run around the subject and present their own arguments. As I mentioned to fuxero, MMY decided to avoid the infinite regress argument by presenting his idean of the Unified Field. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : These Crash Courses are good at instructing the ignorant masses. At about 8:15 in, he states that Aquinas takes it as a given that everything must have a cause other than itself, and that therefore, his argument of God as "first cause" is self-defeating because why wouldn't "God" have to abide by the same "rules." I thought that was one of the deals with theism - no "God" doesn't abide by the same "rules" as his creation. I don't try to talk intelligently about any of this because I'm such a novice, but just read the Buddhist idea of Dependent Co-Arising, which is a philosophy that would allow for the concept of infinite regression to exist, in theory. Seems to get down to the age-old discussion of dualistic vs non-dualistic view/approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Cosmological arguments of Aquinas. Also discusses flaws and counterarguments. Aquinas basically examines causes and effects, saying that if one traces origins backwards, there can't be an infinite regress. But on the contrary, that could be a false presumption on his part. Aquinas and the Cosmological Arguments: Crash Course Philosophy #10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Aquinas and the Cosmological Arguments: Crash Course P... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Our unit on the philosophy of religion and the existence of god continues with Thomas Aquinas. Today, we consider his first four arguments: the cosmological ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas on God
The apparent weaknesses in the arguments of Aquinas is probably the reason why MMY decided to explain existence in holistic terms, such as the rishi-devata-chandas relationship within the Unified Field. Dr. Tony Nader gave a lecture at Stanford on this subject about a year ago, which is available on YouTube. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Cosmological arguments of Aquinas. Also discusses flaws and counterarguments. Aquinas basically examines causes and effects, saying that if one traces origins backwards, there can't be an infinite regress. But on the contrary, that could be a false presumption on his part. Aquinas and the Cosmological Arguments: Crash Course Philosophy #10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Aquinas and the Cosmological Arguments: Crash Course P... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Our unit on the philosophy of religion and the existence of god continues with Thomas Aquinas. Today, we consider his first four arguments: the cosmological ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas on God
Be aware that "first cause" in Aquinas's thinking doesn't mean *temporal* first cause but *ontological* first cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Cosmological arguments of Aquinas. Also discusses flaws and counterarguments. Aquinas basically examines causes and effects, saying that if one traces origins backwards, there can't be an infinite regress. But on the contrary, that could be a false presumption on his part. Aquinas and the Cosmological Arguments: Crash Course Philosophy #10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Aquinas and the Cosmological Arguments: Crash Course P... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Our unit on the philosophy of religion and the existence of god continues with Thomas Aquinas. Today, we consider his first four arguments: the cosmological ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Aquinas on God
These Crash Courses are good at instructing the ignorant masses. At about 8:15 in, he states that Aquinas takes it as a given that everything must have a cause other than itself, and that therefore, his argument of God as "first cause" is self-defeating because why wouldn't "God" have to abide by the same "rules." I thought that was one of the deals with theism - no "God" doesn't abide by the same "rules" as his creation. I don't try to talk intelligently about any of this because I'm such a novice, but just read the Buddhist idea of Dependent Co-Arising, which is a philosophy that would allow for the concept of infinite regression to exist, in theory. Seems to get down to the age-old discussion of dualistic vs non-dualistic view/approach. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The Cosmological arguments of Aquinas. Also discusses flaws and counterarguments. Aquinas basically examines causes and effects, saying that if one traces origins backwards, there can't be an infinite regress. But on the contrary, that could be a false presumption on his part. Aquinas and the Cosmological Arguments: Crash Course Philosophy #10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Aquinas and the Cosmological Arguments: Crash Course P... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Our unit on the philosophy of religion and the existence of god continues with Thomas Aquinas. Today, we consider his first four arguments: the cosmological ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY Preview by Yahoo
