[FairfieldLife] Re: Are 'visions of God' really just temporal lobe epilepsy?
Like trying to find a needle in a haystack, with a bulldozer. Oh well, I suppose it at least gets the silly scientists thinking about God. May they stumble on! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : That's one of the questions posed by this excellent article from Salon.com. Heaven is for neuroscience: How the brain creates visions of God http://www.salon.com/2014/05/11/heaven_is_for_neuroscience_how_the_brain_creates_visions_of_god/ http://www.salon.com/2014/05/11/heaven_is_for_neuroscience_how_the_brain_creates_visions_of_god/ Heaven is for neuroscience: How the brain creates vision... Major figures like Joan of Arc and Dostoyevsky claimed supernatural visions. Why their brains could hold the answer View on www.salon.com http://www.salon.com/2014/05/11/heaven_is_for_neuroscience_how_the_brain_creates_visions_of_god/; class=ygrps-yiv-957161395link-enhancr-card-url ygrps-yiv-957161395link-enhancr-element Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are 'visions of God' really just temporal lobe epilepsy?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : That's one of the questions posed by this excellent article from Salon.com. Heaven is for neuroscience: How the brain creates visions of God http://www.salon.com/2014/05/11/heaven_is_for_neuroscience_how_the_brain_creates_visions_of_god/ http://www.salon.com/2014/05/11/heaven_is_for_neuroscience_how_the_brain_creates_visions_of_god/ Heaven is for neuroscience: How the brain creates vision... Major figures like Joan of Arc and Dostoyevsky claimed supernatural visions. Why their brains could hold the answer View on www.salon.com http://www.salon.com/2014/05/11/heaven_is_for_neuroscience_how_the_brain_creates_visions_of_god/; class=ygrps-yiv-97846083link-enhancr-card-url ygrps-yiv-97846083link-enhancr-element Preview by Yahoo Interesting article, it almost makes one want to become epileptic. However, I am not sure what Bawee's point is by posting this. I would think most people realize that as long as most of us remain standing here on this planet our ultimate sensory organ is our brain. Of course our perceptions, be they as mundane as tasting orange juice or as profound as having dinner with Christ himself while floating in some cloud, are governed by the activity of our brains. We sort of had this conversation back when we were all talking about near death experiences here. Just because you can link a cosmic or unusual experience to a brain function doesn't invalidate it. Of course you can correspond certain activity in the brain or release of chemicals to what it is you are experiencing. There will usually always be some relationship between the brain and what it is one is saying, doing, feeling. (I think the guy who wrote Proof of Heaven has since been debunked so his time being brain dead while in his coma discounts his having remained conscious even though his brain was 100% non-functioning.) Unfortunately, the cases cited in this article are all of people who lived before EEG machines and more modern medicine that could have proved, without a doubt, the existence of epilepsy. So what we are left with is conjecture, but interesting nevertheless.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are 'visions of God' really just temporal lobe epilepsy?
hey turq and Ann, yes, this is a wonderful article, if a bit biased. I like the point at the end that only Joan of Arc could of rallied the French. And it seems that Dostoevsky still could write acclimed novels which probably have enriched the lives of some people. So...regardless of the neurological event and regardless of how it is labeled, such events don't preclude that a person lives a beneficial life. It would be great to study contemporary people like Jill Bolte Taylor, author of My Stroke of Genius. On Monday, May 12, 2014 8:38 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : That's one of the questions posed by this excellent article from Salon.com. Heaven is for neuroscience: How the brain creates visions of God Heaven is for neuroscience: How the brain creates vision... Major figures like Joan of Arc and Dostoyevsky claimed supernatural visions. Why their brains could hold the answer View on www.salon.com Preview by Yahoo Interesting article, it almost makes one want to become epileptic. However, I am not sure what Bawee's point is by posting this. I would think most people realize that as long as most of us remain standing here on this planet our ultimate sensory organ is our brain. Of course our perceptions, be they as mundane as tasting orange juice or as profound as having dinner with Christ himself while floating in some cloud, are governed by the activity of our brains. We sort of had this conversation back when we were all talking about near death experiences here. Just because you can link a cosmic or unusual experience to a brain function doesn't invalidate it. Of course you can correspond certain activity in the brain or release of chemicals to what it is you are experiencing. There will usually always be some relationship between the brain and what it is one is saying, doing, feeling. (I think the guy who wrote Proof of Heaven has since been debunked so his time being brain dead while in his coma discounts his having remained conscious even though his brain was 100% non-functioning.) Unfortunately, the cases cited in this article are all of people who lived before EEG machines and more modern medicine that could have proved, without a doubt, the existence of epilepsy. So what we are left with is conjecture, but interesting nevertheless.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are 'visions of God' really just temporal lobe epilepsy?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : hey turq and Ann, yes, this is a wonderful article, if a bit biased. I like the point at the end that only Joan of Arc could of rallied the French. And it seems that Dostoevsky still could write acclimed novels which probably have enriched the lives of some people. So...regardless of the neurological event and regardless of how it is labeled, such events don't preclude that a person lives a beneficial life. I don't think there was ever any question of how beneficial someones life is or isn't based on whether they have visions based on epilepsy or not. I think what Bawee was doing here was his usual let's-see-if-I-can-push-any-buttons-here shtick. He was posting this to imply that visionaries or those who have had spiritual or revelatory experiences were most likely diseased in some way. I wonder if he was frothing at the mouth and writhing while witnessing Rama levitate. It would be great to study contemporary people like Jill Bolte Taylor, author of My Stroke of Genius. On Monday, May 12, 2014 8:38 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : That's one of the questions posed by this excellent article from Salon.com. Heaven is for neuroscience: How the brain creates visions of God http://www.salon.com/2014/05/11/heaven_is_for_neuroscience_how_the_brain_creates_visions_of_god/ http://www.salon.com/2014/05/11/heaven_is_for_neuroscience_how_the_brain_creates_visions_of_god/ Heaven is for neuroscience: How the brain creates vision... Major figures like Joan of Arc and Dostoyevsky claimed supernatural visions. Why their brains could hold the answer View on www.salon.com http://www.salon.com/2014/05/11/heaven_is_for_neuroscience_how_the_brain_creates_visions_of_god/ Preview by Yahoo Interesting article, it almost makes one want to become epileptic. However, I am not sure what Bawee's point is by posting this. I would think most people realize that as long as most of us remain standing here on this planet our ultimate sensory organ is our brain. Of course our perceptions, be they as mundane as tasting orange juice or as profound as having dinner with Christ himself while floating in some cloud, are governed by the activity of our brains. We sort of had this conversation back when we were all talking about near death experiences here. Just because you can link a cosmic or unusual experience to a brain function doesn't invalidate it. Of course you can correspond certain activity in the brain or release of chemicals to what it is you are experiencing. There will usually always be some relationship between the brain and what it is one is saying, doing, feeling. (I think the guy who wrote Proof of Heaven has since been debunked so his time being brain dead while in his coma discounts his having remained conscious even though his brain was 100% non-functioning.) Unfortunately, the cases cited in this article are all of people who lived before EEG machines and more modern medicine that could have proved, without a doubt, the existence of epilepsy. So what we are left with is conjecture, but interesting nevertheless.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are 'visions of God' really just temporal lobe epilepsy?
From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : hey turq and Ann, yes, this is a wonderful article, if a bit biased. I like the point at the end that only Joan of Arc could of rallied the French. And it seems that Dostoevsky still could write acclimed novels which probably have enriched the lives of some people. So...regardless of the neurological event and regardless of how it is labeled, such events don't preclude that a person lives a beneficial life. I don't think there was ever any question of how beneficial someones life is or isn't based on whether they have visions based on epilepsy or not. I think what Bawee was doing here was his usual let's-see-if-I-can-push-any-buttons-here shtick. If so, what does it say about YOU that you got your buttons pushed yet again? :-) :-) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are 'visions of God' really just temporal lobe epilepsy?
Barry just hates it when people laugh at his button-pushing attempts. That's why he snipped this from his quote of Ann's post: He was posting this to imply that visionaries or those who have had spiritual or revelatory experiences were most likely diseased in some way. I wonder if he was frothing at the mouth and writhing while witnessing Rama levitate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : hey turq and Ann, yes, this is a wonderful article, if a bit biased. I like the point at the end that only Joan of Arc could of rallied the French. And it seems that Dostoevsky still could write acclimed novels which probably have enriched the lives of some people. So...regardless of the neurological event and regardless of how it is labeled, such events don't preclude that a person lives a beneficial life. I don't think there was ever any question of how beneficial someones life is or isn't based on whether they have visions based on epilepsy or not. I think what Bawee was doing here was his usual let's-see-if-I-can-push-any-buttons-here shtick. If so, what does it say about YOU that you got your buttons pushed yet again? :-) :-) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Are 'visions of God' really just temporal lobe epilepsy?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : hey turq and Ann, yes, this is a wonderful article, if a bit biased. I like the point at the end that only Joan of Arc could of rallied the French. And it seems that Dostoevsky still could write acclimed novels which probably have enriched the lives of some people. So...regardless of the neurological event and regardless of how it is labeled, such events don't preclude that a person lives a beneficial life. I don't think there was ever any question of how beneficial someones life is or isn't based on whether they have visions based on epilepsy or not. I think what Bawee was doing here was his usual let's-see-if-I-can-push-any-buttons-here shtick. If so, what does it say about YOU that you got your buttons pushed yet again? :-) :-) :-) You couldn't find my button if I guided your hand there myself. Dream on loser, you haven't even figured out the first thing about me.
