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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> My guess would be the primoridal sound technique. I
> got that in Stoneham in May 88, right before another
> trip to ff. 

One of the cute little things that Chopra did with his books was to rewrite 
_Quantum Healing_ 
to delete mention of MMY and his involvement with the  Primordial Sound 
technque, and 
make it sound as though Chopra's Primordial Sound meditation was the subject of 
the book 
from the start.

People may recall that Chopra explicitly claims that MMY told him to write the 
book in the 
first place in order to explain how the technique works in Western terms, 
according to the 
original introduction. That was the most glaring omission in the introduction 
to the non-
identified revised edition of the book that Chopra published a year or so after 
he left the 
TMO.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread gullible fool


My guess would be the primoridal sound technique. I
got that in Stoneham in May 88, right before another
trip to ff. 

--- ffia1120 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hmmm.. I don't know what he was doing (besides
> practicing medicine) 
> prior to joining MMY. Sounds though, like he is
> either lying or has 
> his timeline messed up/confused. I met him before he
> got too involved 
> with the TMO and he was a very honest, ethical
> person back then. But 
> the TMO has been known to corrupt a person or two.
> ;-) (P.S. I got a 
> technique in his Stoneham office back in '86 or '87,
> too. I cannot 
> for the life of me remember what it was, though. Oh
> the wonders of 
> the aging brain.) 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "curtisdeltablues" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120
>  wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or
> '86. Certainly not 
> > > before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital
> in the Boston 
> area 
> > > before he got invloved with the TMO.
> > 
> > So he was practicing a technique like the sidhis
> before he met MMY? 
> > See my timeline problem with his story?  He was
> selling MMY's Chopra
> > technique by '87.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There were some interesting claims by Chopra. 
> He claimed to 
> have
> > > > learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga
> Sutras from the
> > > > Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some
> interesting time 
> line
> > > > issues.  Is he describing his experience with
> MMY on a sidhi 
> > > course? 
> > > > He mixes up a few different techniques in his
> description, some
> > > > virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which
> he sold to me 
> right in
> > > > his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700
> in around '87, and 
> some
> > > > other forgiveness techniques common in new age
> seminars.  Could 
> any 
> > > of
> > > > this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?
> > > > 
> > > > His magic bird attraction story also has
> problems for me.  
> Holding 
> > > out
> > > > food to tame birds makes them come to you for
> the food.  
> Without the
> > > > food he would have an unusual story.  With the
> food you've got
> > > > nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound
> like magic at 
> first. 
> > > > He claims  that after the three week course
> with the 
> > > Shankaracharya ,
> > > > he would see a bird on a tree and have the
> intention for it to 
> come 
> > > to
> > > > him and it would. Later he mentions using
> grain or nuts to feed 
> the
> > > > birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts,
> most birds can't 
> eat
> > > > them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't
> want grain but 
> > > pigeons
> > > > love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense
> up start to 
> finish.
> > > > 
> > > > Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is
> lying?  Watch 
> his 
> > > lips,
> > > > if they are moving, bingo!
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 
> 
> --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:31 PM, ffia1120 wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> >  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> There were some interesting claims by Chopra. 
> > He claimed to have
> > > >>> learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga
> > Sutras from the
> > > >>> Shankaracharya in 1980.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> That just sounds so ODD.
> > > >
> > > > I am wondering if he just got confused about the
> > years? I am not  
> > > > making
> > > > excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop
> > and think, "OK, in  
> > > > '84 I
> > > > graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85,
> > or was that '86? And
> > > > what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF -
> > was that 86 or 87? And
> > > > when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or
> > 90? I really have to
> > > > stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+
> > years ago was not a
> > > > liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who
> > knows, maybe it's a
> > > > combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his
> > ego has gotten in the
> > > > way and he is embellishing his memories a bit.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yeah I wonder the same thing. I have a very high
> > opinion of Deepak,  
> > > so I would also tend to give him slack--perhaps he
> > was speaking "off  
> > > the cuff".
> > >
> > 
> > Chopra NEVER spoke off-the-cuff. His skill is in
> > making it sound like he does.
> 
> Chopra was not involved in spiritual pursuits prior to
> his involvement with the TMO which started in 1981. 

When did he learn TM, according to your understanding? My recollection is that 
it was 
some months or years prior to meeting MMY.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread rmy108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Oct 30, 2006, at 8:32 PM, rmy108 wrote:
> 
> >>> Deepak teaches his versions of the sidhis based on the Shiva
> > Sutras. He worked with brahmins from Benares Hindu University and 
the
> > Shankaracharya and some local pundits in America (or at least he
> > gives credit to all of those people).  But it was not in 1980.  It
> > was after he left the TMO.  He also used the same sources to 
develop
> > his meditation technique, which he calls Primordial Sound 
meditation
> > (which is NOT the same technique that he taught in his TM years).
> > Primordial Sound meditation is the same as TM, but he uses a
> > different pool of mantras.   His version of the sidhis is 
different
> > from the TM sidhis in that he uses different sutras and uses them
> > differently.
> 
> Are you an initiate of his techniques or is this something you 
heard  
> form someone else?
> 
> Fascinating, thanks. Benares Hindu University is the creme de la  
> creme. Many, if not most of the 350,000 Brahmin pundits who were  
> displaced from Kashmir by the Islamic occupation there landed in  
> Benares. It's always been a Hindu Noah's Ark, but now even moreso.
>
I've learned all his techniques and I recommend them.  Whats nice 
about doing his programs is that it feels like being on an old time 
TM course.  Not dogmatic at all, and the people that come are very 
open, intelligent and not jaded like most of us old time TMer's.
As a matter of fact, I said to him one time, "This feels like the old 
TM days!" and he replied "Yes, and lets keep it that way!" 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

On Oct 30, 2006, at 8:32 PM, rmy108 wrote:Deepak teaches his versions of the sidhis based on the Shiva Sutras. He worked with brahmins from Benares Hindu University and the Shankaracharya and some local pundits in America (or at least he gives credit to all of those people). But it was not in 1980. It was after he left the TMO. He also used the same sources to develop his meditation technique, which he calls Primordial Sound meditation (which is NOT the same technique that he taught in his TM years). Primordial Sound meditation is the same as TM, but he uses a different pool of mantras. His version of the sidhis is different from the TM sidhis in that he uses different sutras and uses them differently. Are you an initiate of his techniques or is this something you heard form someone else?Fascinating, thanks. Benares Hindu University is the creme de la creme. Many, if not most of the 350,000 Brahmin pundits who were displaced from Kashmir by the Islamic occupation there landed in Benares. It's always been a Hindu Noah's Ark, but now even moreso.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread rmy108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:31 PM, ffia1120 wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> >  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> There were some interesting claims by Chopra. 
> > He claimed to have
> > > >>> learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga
> > Sutras from the
> > > >>> Shankaracharya in 1980.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> That just sounds so ODD.
> > > >
> > > > I am wondering if he just got confused about the
> > years? I am not  
> > > > making
> > > > excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop
> > and think, "OK, in  
> > > > '84 I
> > > > graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85,
> > or was that '86? And
> > > > what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF -
> > was that 86 or 87? And
> > > > when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or
> > 90? I really have to
> > > > stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+
> > years ago was not a
> > > > liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who
> > knows, maybe it's a
> > > > combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his
> > ego has gotten in the
> > > > way and he is embellishing his memories a bit.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yeah I wonder the same thing. I have a very high
> > opinion of Deepak,  
> > > so I would also tend to give him slack--perhaps he
> > was speaking "off  
> > > the cuff".
> > >
> > 
> > Chopra NEVER spoke off-the-cuff. His skill is in
> > making it sound like he does.
> 
> Chopra was not involved in spiritual pursuits prior to
> his involvement with the TMO which started in 1981. 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Deepak teaches his versions of the sidhis based on the Shiva 
Sutras. He worked with brahmins from Benares Hindu University and the 
Shankaracharya and some local pundits in America (or at least he 
gives credit to all of those people).  But it was not in 1980.  It 
was after he left the TMO.  He also used the same sources to develop 
his meditation technique, which he calls Primordial Sound meditation 
(which is NOT the same technique that he taught in his TM years).
Primordial Sound meditation is the same as TM, but he uses a 
different pool of mantras.   His version of the sidhis is different 
from the TM sidhis in that he uses different sutras and uses them 
differently.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread Peter



--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:31 PM, ffia1120 wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> There were some interesting claims by Chopra. 
> He claimed to have
> > >>> learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga
> Sutras from the
> > >>> Shankaracharya in 1980.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> That just sounds so ODD.
> > >
> > > I am wondering if he just got confused about the
> years? I am not  
> > > making
> > > excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop
> and think, "OK, in  
> > > '84 I
> > > graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85,
> or was that '86? And
> > > what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF -
> was that 86 or 87? And
> > > when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or
> 90? I really have to
> > > stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+
> years ago was not a
> > > liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who
> knows, maybe it's a
> > > combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his
> ego has gotten in the
> > > way and he is embellishing his memories a bit.
> > 
> > 
> > Yeah I wonder the same thing. I have a very high
> opinion of Deepak,  
> > so I would also tend to give him slack--perhaps he
> was speaking "off  
> > the cuff".
> >
> 
> Chopra NEVER spoke off-the-cuff. His skill is in
> making it sound like he does.

Chopra was not involved in spiritual pursuits prior to
his involvement with the TMO which started in 1981. 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread Peter

--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120
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> > I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or
> '86. Certainly not 
> > before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital
> in the Boston area 
> > before he got invloved with the TMO.
> 
> Return of the Rishi, his autobiography, is copyright
> 1987. He learned TM quite a few years 
> before that. He met Triguna in 1981 after he started
> TM, IIRC, though a skeptics website 
> claims it was before he learned TM.

He hooked up with MMY in 1981. I saw and spoke with
him  in Washington, DC when Purusha just started. He
was just a regular joe back then. Very open and
friendly. I had no idea who he was. I just sat down
next to him for lunch and chatted. All these claims
about learning techniques from the Shankaracharya in
1980 are BS on his part.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:31 PM, ffia1120 wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> >>
> >>> There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
> >>> learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
> >>> Shankaracharya in 1980.
> >>
> >>
> >> That just sounds so ODD.
> >
> > I am wondering if he just got confused about the years? I am not  
> > making
> > excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop and think, "OK, in  
> > '84 I
> > graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85, or was that '86? And
> > what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF - was that 86 or 87? And
> > when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or 90? I really have to
> > stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+ years ago was not a
> > liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who knows, maybe it's a
> > combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his ego has gotten in the
> > way and he is embellishing his memories a bit.
> 
> 
> Yeah I wonder the same thing. I have a very high opinion of Deepak,  
> so I would also tend to give him slack--perhaps he was speaking "off  
> the cuff".
>

Chopra NEVER spoke off-the-cuff. His skill is in making it sound like he does.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

Curtis,
No, I did not get picked up in a limo at the airport. I was invited 
(along with some other TMers) to his daughter's Indian dance recital -
- can't remember what it's called - kind of like a coming out dance 
recital(?) - and I drove to his office the following day. It was '87.

Your description of the techniques I can no longer remember sounds 
familiar, though.

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> ffia1120,
> 
> Did they pick you up in a limo at the airport when you went to to 
get
> your Chopra technique?  Nice touch.  That was really a funny move on
> MMY's part letting him teach techniques without a puja.  He did a 
long
> induction first with my eyes closed, I remember that.  It was a mix 
of
> techniques like a yardsale package.  Some A of E technique, a 
nightime
> technique and a magic word for health.  After leaving the movement I
> felt it was particularly sketchy selling a magic word for your 
health
> cloaked in the respectability of a doctor's office.  They say "don't
> tempt an honest man".  When Chopra saw us all lining up with our 
fists
> full of dollars (I remember it had to be in cash) he must have 
thought
> to himself, "Popa needs a new pair of shoes!"
> 
> I think Chopra's story was a way of distancing himself from his
> association with MMY.  Making it seem like he got techniques from 
the
> Shankaracharya was like padding his resume.  He blew his own cover 
by
> being too specific about how he did the techniques.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120  wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm.. I don't know what he was doing (besides practicing 
medicine) 
> > prior to joining MMY. Sounds though, like he is either lying or 
has 
> > his timeline messed up/confused. I met him before he got too 
involved 
> > with the TMO and he was a very honest, ethical person back then. 
But 
> > the TMO has been known to corrupt a person or two. ;-) (P.S. I 
got a 
> > technique in his Stoneham office back in '86 or '87, too. I 
cannot 
> > for the life of me remember what it was, though. Oh the wonders 
of 
> > the aging brain.) 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly 
not 
> > > > before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the 
Boston 
> > area 
> > > > before he got invloved with the TMO.
> > > 
> > > So he was practicing a technique like the sidhis before he met 
MMY? 
> > > See my timeline problem with his story?  He was selling MMY's 
Chopra
> > > technique by '87.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed 
to 
> > have
> > > > > learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
> > > > > Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some interesting 
time 
> > line
> > > > > issues.  Is he describing his experience with MMY on a 
sidhi 
> > > > course? 
> > > > > He mixes up a few different techniques in his description, 
some
> > > > > virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which he sold to me 
> > right in
> > > > > his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700 in around '87, 
and 
> > some
> > > > > other forgiveness techniques common in new age seminars.  
Could 
> > any 
> > > > of
> > > > > this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?
> > > > > 
> > > > > His magic bird attraction story also has problems for me.  
> > Holding 
> > > > out
> > > > > food to tame birds makes them come to you for the food.  
> > Without the
> > > > > food he would have an unusual story.  With the food you've 
got
> > > > > nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound like magic 
at 
> > first. 
> > > > > He claims  that after the three week course with the 
> > > > Shankaracharya ,
> > > > > he would see a bird on a tree and have the intention for it 
to 
> > come 
> > > > to
> > > > > him and it would. Later he mentions using grain or nuts to 
feed 
> > the
> > > > > birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts, most birds 
can't 
> > eat
> > > > > them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't want grain 
but 
> > > > pigeons
> > > > > love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense up start to 
> > finish.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is lying?  
Watch 
> > his 
> > > > lips,
> > > > > if they are moving, bingo!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> ffia1120,
> 
> Did they pick you up in a limo at the airport when you went to to get
> your Chopra technique?  Nice touch.  That was really a funny move on
> MMY's part letting him teach techniques without a puja.  He did a long
> induction first with my eyes closed, I remember that.  It was a mix of
> techniques like a yardsale package.  Some A of E technique, a nightime
> technique and a magic word for health.  After leaving the movement I
> felt it was particularly sketchy selling a magic word for your health
> cloaked in the respectability of a doctor's office.  They say "don't
> tempt an honest man".  When Chopra saw us all lining up with our fists
> full of dollars (I remember it had to be in cash) he must have thought
> to himself, "Popa needs a new pair of shoes!"
> 
> I think Chopra's story was a way of distancing himself from his
> association with MMY.  Making it seem like he got techniques from the
> Shankaracharya was like padding his resume.  He blew his own cover by
> being too specific about how he did the techniques.

Chopra's techniques were not meant to be consciousness-raising per se, but on 
the 
physical level of health, so a puja wasn't relevant, or such has always been my 
take.

And way back when, Chopra would accept checks made out to the Maharishi 
Foundation, 
and only accept room, board and expense money for himself.

Ironically, when he did THAT, no-one respected him in the New Age movement, but 
now 
that he charges many times as much as he used to, he brags about donating 10 
percent to 
charity and everyone who denounced him back then oohs and ahs about his 
generosity.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> > 
> > > There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
> > > learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
> > > Shankaracharya in 1980.
> > 
> > 
> > That just sounds so ODD.
> 
> I am wondering if he just got confused about the years? I am not making 
> excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop and think, "OK, in '84 I 
> graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85, or was that '86? And 
> what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF - was that 86 or 87? And 
> when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or 90? I really have to 
> stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+ years ago was not a 
> liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who knows, maybe it's a 
> combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his ego has gotten in the 
> way and he is embellishing his memories a bit.
>

Check the timeline of his rewriting his books several times over the years 
without 
mentioning it in the copyright. Quite fascinating. MOST authors hope to get 
people to buy 
a newer version of their book, so they make it clear that there is a rewrite, 
but Chopra 
conceals this fact.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Oct 30, 2006, at 9:55 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Several people presented on the page.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx? 
> > >> content=Spiritual_Peacemaking_Form&
> > >> ;t_s=44
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > So...
> > >
> > > In 1980, he took a special class from the Shankaracharya of the  
> > > North and learned how to
> > > charm animals...
> > >
> > > Ummm Anyone ever hear this one before? Was this something 
> he  
> > > left out of Return of the
> > > Rishi?
> > 
> > 
> > Can you give a direct quote or a time in the recording so we 
> don't  
> > have to listen to the whole thing? I wonder if it works on Jack  
> > Russell Terriers?
> >
> 
> I was wondering if it works on Filet Mignon.
> 
> Actually, can anyone tell me how long the tape is?  I started to 
> listen but gave up after 5 minutes 'cause I was worried it was about 
> 2 hours or something and just wanted to get to the juicy parts.
>

I started it and took my ex to work and it was still going when I got back 
nearly an hour 
later...




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

On Oct 30, 2006, at 3:31 PM, ffia1120 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: There were some interesting claims by Chopra. He claimed to have learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the Shankaracharya in 1980. That just sounds so ODD. I am wondering if he just got confused about the years? I am not making excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop and think, "OK, in '84 I graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85, or was that '86? And what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF - was that 86 or 87? And when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or 90? I really have to stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+ years ago was not a liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who knows, maybe it's a combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his ego has gotten in the way and he is embellishing his memories a bit. Yeah I wonder the same thing. I have a very high opinion of Deepak, so I would also tend to give him slack--perhaps he was speaking "off the cuff".
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120  wrote:
> >
> > I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly not 
> > before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the Boston area 
> > before he got invloved with the TMO.
> 
> So he was practicing a technique like the sidhis before he met MMY? 
> See my timeline problem with his story?  He was selling MMY's Chopra
> technique by '87.

Return of the Rishis gives a timeline. However, there is a new edition, still 
copyrighted with 
the old copyright and who knows if he's changed anything in it. My autographed 
first edition 
is packed away in boxes so I can't check it.

Of course, how carefully did he edit his story to fit with the TMO's needs at 
that time is a 
question that one needs to keep in mind when you read Early Chopra.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> 
> > There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
> > learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
> > Shankaracharya in 1980.
> 
> 
> That just sounds so ODD.
>

That was the animal-charming technique. he credits the 1980-era Shankaracharya 
(was that 
S Shatananda II or S. Vishundevananda or even S Vasudevananda, BTW?) with MMY's 
interpretation of ahimsa, which is rather interesting, in and of itself...

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly not 
> before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the Boston area 
> before he got invloved with the TMO.

Return of the Rishi, his autobiography, is copyright 1987. He learned TM quite 
a few years 
before that. He met Triguna in 1981 after he started TM, IIRC, though a 
skeptics website 
claims it was before he learned TM.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am wondering if he just got confused about the years? I am 
> not making excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop and 
> think, "OK, in '84 I graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC 
> in'85, or was that '86? And what year did I work as a Ayurvdic 
> tech in FF - was that 86 or 87? And when did I pursue my graduate 
> degree -- '89 or 90? I really have to stop and think it through. 
> The Deepak I knew 20+ years ago was not a liar by any stretch 
> of the imagination. But, who knows, maybe it's a combination 
> of forgetfulness/confusion, or his ego has gotten in the 
> way and he is embellishing his memories a bit.

Just as a reality check ( or, given the source,
an unreality check :-), I'm the same way about
time. I could no more tell you the exact year
that something important happened in my life
than I could tell you who Lakshmi was sleeping
with during a particular kalpa.

For me it's not an age thang. I've always been
like this. I have *never* been able to remember
a particular calendar year and associate it with
other memories. Being somewhat of a music freak,
I tell "subjective time" via music. What album
was current when such-and-such happened...that
sorta thang. For example, I could not tell you
on a bet what year I met my first really serious 
girlfriend and lost it heavily over her, but I 
can without a moment's hesitation tell you 
which albums formed the "soundtrack" of that
period. ( The album was "Aftermath," which if 
you know it should give you a clue as to how
well that particular affair turned out. :-)

Some people think in terms of calendar years,
and can relate those calendar years to the events
of their lives. But what if you were a student
for decades? Academic years don't follow calendar
years. So you'd have to remember, "Such and such
happened in academic year '66-67," and really,
who's got the fuckin' time? It happened when 
"Aftermath" was hot on the radio and in all the
stores and in every living room I ever entered.
You'd walk into a party and Paint It Black would
be playing. You'd get bored with that party and
go to the next one and Stupid Girl would be play-
ing. Then, at the next party, Lady Jane, and at
the next one, Under My Thumb.

Calendar years? Where's the value in recollecting
your life that way? But when the recollection has
a soundtrack, and a cool one? Magic.

And if that doesn't make you feel better, remember 
that age-related memory loss is just nature's way 
of saying, "Be here now."

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hmmm.. I don't know what he was doing (besides practicing medicine) 
> prior to joining MMY. Sounds though, like he is either lying or has 
> his timeline messed up/confused. I met him before he got too 
> involved with the TMO and he was a very honest, ethical person 
> back then. But the TMO has been known to corrupt a person or two. 
> ;-) (P.S. I got a technique in his Stoneham office back in '86 or 
> '87, too. I cannot for the life of me remember what it was, though. 
> Oh the wonders of the aging brain.) 

Thanks for your impressions. Really. Chopra is a 
complete mystery to me. He arrived on the TM scene
long after I had beat feet, and I've never been 
interested enough in him to read any of his books
or articles. So about the only things I've heard
about him are the badraps one tends to hear on 
TM-oriented talk forums. As a result, other than 
respecting him for his decision to beat feet and 
find his own path, I know diddleysquat about the 
man. It's good to hear some balancing opinions.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread curtisdeltablues

ffia1120,

Did they pick you up in a limo at the airport when you went to to get
your Chopra technique?  Nice touch.  That was really a funny move on
MMY's part letting him teach techniques without a puja.  He did a long
induction first with my eyes closed, I remember that.  It was a mix of
techniques like a yardsale package.  Some A of E technique, a nightime
technique and a magic word for health.  After leaving the movement I
felt it was particularly sketchy selling a magic word for your health
cloaked in the respectability of a doctor's office.  They say "don't
tempt an honest man".  When Chopra saw us all lining up with our fists
full of dollars (I remember it had to be in cash) he must have thought
to himself, "Popa needs a new pair of shoes!"

I think Chopra's story was a way of distancing himself from his
association with MMY.  Making it seem like he got techniques from the
Shankaracharya was like padding his resume.  He blew his own cover by
being too specific about how he did the techniques.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hmmm.. I don't know what he was doing (besides practicing medicine) 
> prior to joining MMY. Sounds though, like he is either lying or has 
> his timeline messed up/confused. I met him before he got too involved 
> with the TMO and he was a very honest, ethical person back then. But 
> the TMO has been known to corrupt a person or two. ;-) (P.S. I got a 
> technique in his Stoneham office back in '86 or '87, too. I cannot 
> for the life of me remember what it was, though. Oh the wonders of 
> the aging brain.) 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120  wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly not 
> > > before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the Boston 
> area 
> > > before he got invloved with the TMO.
> > 
> > So he was practicing a technique like the sidhis before he met MMY? 
> > See my timeline problem with his story?  He was selling MMY's Chopra
> > technique by '87.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to 
> have
> > > > learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
> > > > Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some interesting time 
> line
> > > > issues.  Is he describing his experience with MMY on a sidhi 
> > > course? 
> > > > He mixes up a few different techniques in his description, some
> > > > virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which he sold to me 
> right in
> > > > his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700 in around '87, and 
> some
> > > > other forgiveness techniques common in new age seminars.  Could 
> any 
> > > of
> > > > this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?
> > > > 
> > > > His magic bird attraction story also has problems for me.  
> Holding 
> > > out
> > > > food to tame birds makes them come to you for the food.  
> Without the
> > > > food he would have an unusual story.  With the food you've got
> > > > nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound like magic at 
> first. 
> > > > He claims  that after the three week course with the 
> > > Shankaracharya ,
> > > > he would see a bird on a tree and have the intention for it to 
> come 
> > > to
> > > > him and it would. Later he mentions using grain or nuts to feed 
> the
> > > > birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts, most birds can't 
> eat
> > > > them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't want grain but 
> > > pigeons
> > > > love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense up start to 
> finish.
> > > > 
> > > > Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is lying?  Watch 
> his 
> > > lips,
> > > > if they are moving, bingo!
> > >
> >
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 
> On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> 
> > There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
> > learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
> > Shankaracharya in 1980.
> 
> 
> That just sounds so ODD.

I am wondering if he just got confused about the years? I am not making 
excuses for him, but I know how I have to stop and think, "OK, in '84 I 
graduated from MUM. Now did I move to DC in'85, or was that '86? And 
what year did I work as a Ayurvdic tech in FF - was that 86 or 87? And 
when did I pursue my graduate degree -- '89 or 90? I really have to 
stop and think it through. The Deepak I knew 20+ years ago was not a 
liar by any stretch of the imagination. But, who knows, maybe it's a 
combination of forgetfulness/confusion, or his ego has gotten in the 
way and he is embellishing his memories a bit.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

Hmmm.. I don't know what he was doing (besides practicing medicine) 
prior to joining MMY. Sounds though, like he is either lying or has 
his timeline messed up/confused. I met him before he got too involved 
with the TMO and he was a very honest, ethical person back then. But 
the TMO has been known to corrupt a person or two. ;-) (P.S. I got a 
technique in his Stoneham office back in '86 or '87, too. I cannot 
for the life of me remember what it was, though. Oh the wonders of 
the aging brain.) 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120  wrote:
> >
> > I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly not 
> > before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the Boston 
area 
> > before he got invloved with the TMO.
> 
> So he was practicing a technique like the sidhis before he met MMY? 
> See my timeline problem with his story?  He was selling MMY's Chopra
> technique by '87.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to 
have
> > > learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
> > > Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some interesting time 
line
> > > issues.  Is he describing his experience with MMY on a sidhi 
> > course? 
> > > He mixes up a few different techniques in his description, some
> > > virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which he sold to me 
right in
> > > his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700 in around '87, and 
some
> > > other forgiveness techniques common in new age seminars.  Could 
any 
> > of
> > > this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?
> > > 
> > > His magic bird attraction story also has problems for me.  
Holding 
> > out
> > > food to tame birds makes them come to you for the food.  
Without the
> > > food he would have an unusual story.  With the food you've got
> > > nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound like magic at 
first. 
> > > He claims  that after the three week course with the 
> > Shankaracharya ,
> > > he would see a bird on a tree and have the intention for it to 
come 
> > to
> > > him and it would. Later he mentions using grain or nuts to feed 
the
> > > birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts, most birds can't 
eat
> > > them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't want grain but 
> > pigeons
> > > love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense up start to 
finish.
> > > 
> > > Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is lying?  Watch 
his 
> > lips,
> > > if they are moving, bingo!
> >
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 30, 2006, at 9:55 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Several people presented on the page.
> >>
> >> http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx? 
> >> content=Spiritual_Peacemaking_Form&
> >> ;t_s=44
> >>
> >>
> >
> > So...
> >
> > In 1980, he took a special class from the Shankaracharya of the  
> > North and learned how to
> > charm animals...
> >
> > Ummm Anyone ever hear this one before? Was this something 
he  
> > left out of Return of the
> > Rishi?
> 
> 
> Can you give a direct quote or a time in the recording so we 
don't  
> have to listen to the whole thing? I wonder if it works on Jack  
> Russell Terriers?
>

I was wondering if it works on Filet Mignon.

Actually, can anyone tell me how long the tape is?  I started to 
listen but gave up after 5 minutes 'cause I was worried it was about 
2 hours or something and just wanted to get to the juicy parts.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc



On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the Shankaracharya in 1980. That just sounds so ODD.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread curtisdeltablues

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly not 
> before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the Boston area 
> before he got invloved with the TMO.

So he was practicing a technique like the sidhis before he met MMY? 
See my timeline problem with his story?  He was selling MMY's Chopra
technique by '87.




> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
> > learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
> > Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some interesting time line
> > issues.  Is he describing his experience with MMY on a sidhi 
> course? 
> > He mixes up a few different techniques in his description, some
> > virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which he sold to me right in
> > his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700 in around '87, and some
> > other forgiveness techniques common in new age seminars.  Could any 
> of
> > this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?
> > 
> > His magic bird attraction story also has problems for me.  Holding 
> out
> > food to tame birds makes them come to you for the food.  Without the
> > food he would have an unusual story.  With the food you've got
> > nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound like magic at first. 
> > He claims  that after the three week course with the 
> Shankaracharya ,
> > he would see a bird on a tree and have the intention for it to come 
> to
> > him and it would. Later he mentions using grain or nuts to feed the
> > birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts, most birds can't eat
> > them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't want grain but 
> pigeons
> > love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense up start to finish.
> > 
> > Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is lying?  Watch his 
> lips,
> > if they are moving, bingo!
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

I believe Chopra hooked up with MMY in 1985 or '86. Certainly not 
before that. He was working at a Mormon hospital in the Boston area 
before he got invloved with the TMO.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
> learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
> Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some interesting time line
> issues.  Is he describing his experience with MMY on a sidhi 
course? 
> He mixes up a few different techniques in his description, some
> virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which he sold to me right in
> his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700 in around '87, and some
> other forgiveness techniques common in new age seminars.  Could any 
of
> this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?
> 
> His magic bird attraction story also has problems for me.  Holding 
out
> food to tame birds makes them come to you for the food.  Without the
> food he would have an unusual story.  With the food you've got
> nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound like magic at first. 
> He claims  that after the three week course with the 
Shankaracharya ,
> he would see a bird on a tree and have the intention for it to come 
to
> him and it would. Later he mentions using grain or nuts to feed the
> birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts, most birds can't eat
> them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't want grain but 
pigeons
> love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense up start to finish.
> 
> Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is lying?  Watch his 
lips,
> if they are moving, bingo!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

2006-10-30 Thread curtisdeltablues

There were some interesting claims by Chopra.  He claimed to have
learned a program based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras from the
Shankaracharya in 1980. His claim poses some interesting time line
issues.  Is he describing his experience with MMY on a sidhi course? 
He mixes up a few different techniques in his description, some
virtues sutras, some A of E technique, which he sold to me right in
his doctor's office in Stonham Mass for $700 in around '87, and some
other forgiveness techniques common in new age seminars.  Could any of
this be true?  Was he with MMY in 80?

His magic bird attraction story also has problems for me.  Holding out
food to tame birds makes them come to you for the food.  Without the
food he would have an unusual story.  With the food you've got
nothing. He shifted the story to make it sound like magic at first. 
He claims  that after the three week course with the Shankaracharya ,
he would see a bird on a tree and have the intention for it to come to
him and it would. Later he mentions using grain or nuts to feed the
birds. I'm guessing he fed some parrots nuts, most birds can't eat
them, and some pigeons grain, most birds don't want grain but pigeons
love millet.  Or just made the whole nonsense up start to finish.

Wanna know a surefire way to tell if Chopra is lying?  Watch his lips,
if they are moving, bingo!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 30, 2006, at 9:55 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Several people presented on the page.
> >>
> >> http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx? 
> >> content=Spiritual_Peacemaking_Form&
> >> ;t_s=44
> >>
> >>
> >
> > So...
> >
> > In 1980, he took a special class from the Shankaracharya of the  
> > North and learned how to
> > charm animals...
> >
> > Ummm Anyone ever hear this one before? Was this something he  
> > left out of Return of the
> > Rishi?
> 
> 
> Can you give a direct quote or a time in the recording so we don't  
> have to listen to the whole thing? I wonder if it works on Jack  
> Russell Terriers?
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 30, 2006, at 9:55 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Several people presented on the page.
> >>
> >> http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx? 
> >> content=Spiritual_Peacemaking_Form&
> >> ;t_s=44
> >>
> >>
> >
> > So...
> >
> > In 1980, he took a special class from the Shankaracharya of the  
> > North and learned how to
> > charm animals...
> >
> > Ummm Anyone ever hear this one before? Was this something he  
> > left out of Return of the
> > Rishi?
> 
> 
> Can you give a direct quote or a time in the recording so we don't  
> have to listen to the whole thing? I wonder if it works on Jack  
> Russell Terriers?
>

Almost the first words out of his mouth.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Audio talk with Chopra... talks about peace, TM movement, etc



On Oct 30, 2006, at 9:55 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Several people presented on the page.  http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=Spiritual_Peacemaking_Form& ;t_s=44   So...  In 1980, he took a special class from the Shankaracharya of the North and learned how to  charm animals...  Ummm Anyone ever hear this one before? Was this something he left out of Return of the  Rishi?  Can you give a direct quote or a time in the recording so we don't have to listen to the whole thing? I wonder if it works on Jack Russell Terriers?
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On Oct 30, 2006, at 9:55 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Several people presented on the page.  http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=Spiritual_Peacemaking_Form& ;t_s=44   So...  In 1980, he took a special class from the Shankaracharya of the North and learned how to  charm animals...  Ummm Anyone ever hear this one before? Was this something he left out of Return of the  Rishi?  Can you give a direct quote or a time in the recording so we don't have to listen to the whole thing? I wonder if it works on Jack Russell Terriers?
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