[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe

2005-06-24 Thread Rory Goff

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  This is the President of the most powerful nation on
  earth. It would make a great joke if it wasn't true.
  He truly doesn't know what he is talking about, he
  only thinks he knows. A very dangerous combination. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 um, yeah. Look in the mirror.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe

2005-06-24 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 6/23/05 9:33 PM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  This is the President of the most powerful nation on
  earth. It would make a great joke if it wasn't true.
  He truly doesn't know what he is talking about, he
  only thinks he knows. A very dangerous combination.
 
 I don't even think he thinks he knows half of the time. He just does what
 the smart guys tell him and hopes the teleprompter doesn't break.

You mean thing in his ear. Teleprompters are passe, especially during a 
debate (e.g. let 
me finish, let me finish, in the middle of a sentence during the debate where 
no-one had 
interrupted him).





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe

2005-06-24 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 You mean thing in his ear. Teleprompters are passe, especially 
during a debate (e.g. let 
 me finish, let me finish, in the middle of a sentence during the 
debate where no-one had 
 interrupted him).

http://isbushwired.com/





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe

2005-06-24 Thread Peter Sutphen


--- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
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  You mean thing in his ear. Teleprompters are
 passe, especially 
 during a debate (e.g. let 
  me finish, let me finish, in the middle of a
 sentence during the 
 debate where no-one had 
  interrupted him).
 
 http://isbushwired.com/

He's channeling obviously



 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe

2005-06-24 Thread Peter Sutphen


--- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 Sutphen
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   This is the President of the most powerful
 nation on
   earth. It would make a great joke if it wasn't
 true.
   He truly doesn't know what he is talking about,
 he
   only thinks he knows. A very dangerous
 combination. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
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 wrote:
  
  um, yeah. Look in the mirror.
 
 Alright! I am outing this anonymousff! Welcome,
 Byron Katie! :-) :-)

Do you know that to be true? Do you know that to be
absolutely true? ;-)



 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe

2005-06-24 Thread Rory Goff
 
 --- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Alright! I am outing this anonymousff! Welcome,
  Byron Katie! :-) :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
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 Do you know that to be true? Do you know that to be
 absolutely true? ;-)


LOL What would I be without that thought? Anonymousff.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe

2005-06-24 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
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 --- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   You mean thing in his ear. Teleprompters are
  passe, especially 
  during a debate (e.g. let 
   me finish, let me finish, in the middle of a
  sentence during the 
  debate where no-one had 
   interrupted him).
  
  http://isbushwired.com/
 
 He's channeling obviously
 
Good pun! Here's a link to a Salon article, with photo analysis by a 
fellow at NASA that does this for a living, about Bush's successful 
attempt at bypassing the restriction on electronic communications by 
the candidates during the debates:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/29/bulge/ 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe Hebephrenic

2005-06-24 Thread johnlasher20002000
Would this qualify as hebephrenia certainly is word salad


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
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 --- johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  THIS IS NOT A JOKE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID 
  
  Subject: President Bush explains his Social Security
  Reform Proposal:
  
  WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: I don't really understand. How is
  it the new plan is 
  going to fix the problem?
  
  Verbatim response:
  
  PRESIDENT BUSH: Because the -- all which is on the
  table begins to 
  address the big cost drivers. For example, how
  benefits are calculated, 
  for example, is on the table. Whether or not
  benefits rise based upon 
  wage increases or price increases. There's a series
  of parts of the 
  formula that are being considered. And when you
  couple that, those 
  different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing
  those with personal 
  accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised
  more likely to be 
  -- or closer delivered to that has been promised.
  Does that make any sense to you?
  It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of
  things that cause the 
  --like, for example, benefits are calculated based
  upon the increase of 
  wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some
  have suggested that 
  we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon
  inflation, supposed 
  to wage increases. There is a reform that would help
  solve the red if 
  that were put into effect. In other words, how fast
  benefits grow, how 
  fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that
  growth is 
  affected, it will help on the red.
 
 This is the President of the most powerful nation on
 earth. It would make a great joke if it wasn't true.
 He truly doesn't know what he is talking about, he
 only thinks he knows. A very dangerous combination. 
 
 
 
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe Hebephrenic

2005-06-24 Thread Peter Sutphen
Hebephrenia is more extreme than this quote. You can
feel an attempt to explain in his speech. It is
confused because he doesn't really understand what he
is attempting to explain. He has an intuitive grasp
of it, but it is not yet integrated enough with his
speech. This happens often with people and is why our
speech is peppered with you know and uhms and
ahs. Unfortunately he happnes to be president and
open to public scrutiny. He's not an intellectual and
not used to thinking about or explaining complex
subjects. He should do what Regan did and have others
explain the nuts and bolts of complex economic
policies. Being an over-educated intellectual, he
drives me nuts! 


--- johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Would this qualify as hebephrenia certainly is word
 salad
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  --- johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
   THIS IS NOT A JOKE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID
 
   
   Subject: President Bush explains his Social
 Security
   Reform Proposal:
   
   WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: I don't really understand.
 How is
   it the new plan is 
   going to fix the problem?
   
   Verbatim response:
   
   PRESIDENT BUSH: Because the -- all which is on
 the
   table begins to 
   address the big cost drivers. For example, how
   benefits are calculated, 
   for example, is on the table. Whether or not
   benefits rise based upon 
   wage increases or price increases. There's a
 series
   of parts of the 
   formula that are being considered. And when you
   couple that, those 
   different cost drivers, affecting those --
 changing
   those with personal 
   accounts, the idea is to get what has been
 promised
   more likely to be 
   -- or closer delivered to that has been
 promised.
   Does that make any sense to you?
   It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of
   things that cause the 
   --like, for example, benefits are calculated
 based
   upon the increase of 
   wages, as opposed to the increase of prices.
 Some
   have suggested that 
   we calculate -- the benefits will rise based
 upon
   inflation, supposed 
   to wage increases. There is a reform that would
 help
   solve the red if 
   that were put into effect. In other words, how
 fast
   benefits grow, how 
   fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if
 that
   growth is 
   affected, it will help on the red.
  
  This is the President of the most powerful nation
 on
  earth. It would make a great joke if it wasn't
 true.
  He truly doesn't know what he is talking about, he
  only thinks he knows. A very dangerous
 combination. 
  
  
  
   
   
   
   
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe Hebephrenic

2005-06-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hebephrenia is more extreme than this quote. You can
 feel an attempt to explain in his speech. It is
 confused because he doesn't really understand what he
 is attempting to explain.

Actually, I think he *does* understand what
he's attempting to explain...

 He has an intuitive grasp
 of it, but it is not yet integrated enough with his
 speech.

...but his understanding is as integrated
with his speech as it's ever going to get.

Part of the problem is his inability to
put words together coherently, especially
when he's talking about something complex
(he does poorly enough even when he's talking
about something simple).

The other part of the problem here is that he's
talking *to* somebody who he assumes doesn't
have a clue and wouldn't understand anything
but a simplistic explanation anyway--and it
ends up as utter mush.  You have to be able to
put words together *well* before you can give
a clear simplistic explanation.

snip

Look, there's a series of things that cause the 
--like, for example, benefits are calculated
based upon the increase of  wages, as opposed to
the increase of prices. Some have suggested that 
we calculate -- the benefits will rise based
upon inflation, supposed to wage increases.

FWIW, the last line above has a mistranscription;
it should be as opposed to, not supposed to.
He uses as opposed to in the previous sentence
in the same context; first he explains how benefits
are calculated now, then he describes the proposed
change in how benefits are calculated, using the
same phrasing.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe Hebephrenic

2005-06-24 Thread Peter Sutphen



All in all one of those things that make you cringe!authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hebephrenia is more extreme than this quote. You can feel an attempt to explain in his speech. It is confused because he doesn't really understand what he is attempting to explain.Actually, I think he *does* understand whathe's attempting to explain... He has an "intuitive" grasp of it, but it is not yet integrated enough with his speechbut his understanding is as integratedwith his speech as it's ever going to get.Part of the problem is his inability toput words together coherently, especiallywhen he's talking about something complex(he does poorly enough even when he's talkingabout something simple).The other part of the problem here is that he'stalking *to* somebody who he
 assumes doesn'thave a clue and wouldn't understand anythingbut a simplistic explanation anyway--and itends up as utter mush. You have to be able toput words together *well* before you can givea clear simplistic explanation.Look, there's a series of things that cause the --like, for example, benefits are calculatedbased upon the increase of wages, as opposed tothe increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise basedupon inflation, supposed to wage increases.FWIW, the last line above has a mistranscription;it should be "as opposed to," not "supposed to."He uses "as opposed to" in the previous sentencein the same context; first he explains how benefitsare calculated now, then he describes the proposedchange in how benefits are calculated,
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe Hebephrenic

2005-06-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
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 All in all one of those things that make you cringe!

You bet.  And on top of that his whiney, petulant
voice... I can't listen to him any more even when
he's reading from a script.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe Hebephrenic

2005-06-24 Thread Sal Sunshine
The understatement of the century!

Sal


On Jun 24, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:

 He's not an intellectual and
 not used to thinking about or explaining complex
 subjects.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe Hebephrenic

2005-06-24 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hebephrenia is more extreme than this quote. You can
  feel an attempt to explain in his speech. It is
  confused because he doesn't really understand what he
  is attempting to explain.
 
 Actually, I think he *does* understand what
 he's attempting to explain...
 
  He has an intuitive grasp
  of it, but it is not yet integrated enough with his
  speech.
 
 ...but his understanding is as integrated
 with his speech as it's ever going to get.
 
 Part of the problem is his inability to
 put words together coherently, especially
 when he's talking about something complex
 (he does poorly enough even when he's talking
 about something simple).
 
 The other part of the problem here is that he's
 talking *to* somebody who he assumes doesn't
 have a clue and wouldn't understand anything
 but a simplistic explanation anyway--and it
 ends up as utter mush.  You have to be able to
 put words together *well* before you can give
 a clear simplistic explanation.
 

This may be. However, Bush, in private, is said to be very charming 
and articulate. He may be simply be suffering from a form of stage 
fright.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe Hebephrenic

2005-06-24 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hebephrenia is more extreme than this quote. You can
   feel an attempt to explain in his speech. It is
   confused because he doesn't really understand what he
   is attempting to explain.
  
  Actually, I think he *does* understand what
  he's attempting to explain...
  
   He has an intuitive grasp
   of it, but it is not yet integrated enough with his
   speech.
  
  ...but his understanding is as integrated
  with his speech as it's ever going to get.
  
  Part of the problem is his inability to
  put words together coherently, especially
  when he's talking about something complex
  (he does poorly enough even when he's talking
  about something simple).
  
  The other part of the problem here is that he's
  talking *to* somebody who he assumes doesn't
  have a clue and wouldn't understand anything
  but a simplistic explanation anyway--and it
  ends up as utter mush.  You have to be able to
  put words together *well* before you can give
  a clear simplistic explanation.
  
 
 This may be. However, Bush, in private, is said to be very 
charming 
 and articulate. He may be simply be suffering from a form of stage 
 fright.

In public, he has a position to defend that is largely indefensible 
as 'The Voice of The People'. So...he...LIES and DECEIVES. 

...'is said to be very charming and articulate'...I have read the 
same thing of him in private, that he never misses a beat, because 
he can openly bribe and threaten in private, all in the nicest 
possible way of course.

But in public he constantly trips over his words because he is LYING 
and he knows it.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe

2005-06-23 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 THIS IS NOT A JOKE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID 
 
 Subject: President Bush explains his Social Security Reform 
Proposal:
 
 WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: I don't really understand. How is it the new 
plan is 
 going to fix the problem?
 
 Verbatim response:
 
 PRESIDENT BUSH: Because the -- all which is on the table begins 
to 
 address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are 
calculated, 
 for example, is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based 
upon 
 wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of 
the 
 formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those 
 different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with 
personal 
 accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to 
be 
 -- or closer delivered to that has been promised.
 Does that make any sense to you?
 It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause 
the 
 --like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the 
increase of 
 wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested 
that 
 we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, 
supposed 
 to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red 
if 
 that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, 
how 
 fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is 
 affected, it will help on the red.

crazy or on drugs, or both...end of story.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe

2005-06-23 Thread Rick Archer
on 6/23/05 6:41 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 crazy or on drugs, or both...end of story.

Or brain damaged due to years of drugs and heavy drinking, on top of not
being too smart to begin with.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe

2005-06-23 Thread Llundrub





Ironic that Mayor Wynne and Prez Bush appeared here on 
FFLife in the same hour, both full of shit to the ears.



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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe
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wrote: THIS IS NOT A JOKE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID  
 Subject: President Bush explains his Social Security Reform 
Proposal: 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe

2005-06-23 Thread sparaig
Doonsebury has a cartoon that quotes the whole thing.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 THIS IS NOT A JOKE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID 
 
 Subject: President Bush explains his Social Security Reform 
Proposal:
 
 WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: I don't really understand. How is it the new 
plan is 
 going to fix the problem?
 
 Verbatim response:
 
 PRESIDENT BUSH: Because the -- all which is on the table begins to 
 address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are 
calculated, 
 for example, is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based 
upon 
 wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the 
 formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those 
 different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with 
personal 
 accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to 
be 
 -- or closer delivered to that has been promised.
 Does that make any sense to you?
 It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause 
the 
 --like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the 
increase of 
 wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested 
that 
 we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, 
supposed 
 to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red 
if 
 that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, 
how 
 fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is 
 affected, it will help on the red.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe

2005-06-23 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 --- johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  THIS IS NOT A JOKE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID 
  
  Subject: President Bush explains his Social Security
  Reform Proposal:
  
  WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: I don't really understand. How is
  it the new plan is 
  going to fix the problem?
  
  Verbatim response:
  
  PRESIDENT BUSH: Because the -- all which is on the
  table begins to 
  address the big cost drivers. For example, how
  benefits are calculated, 
  for example, is on the table. Whether or not
  benefits rise based upon 
  wage increases or price increases. There's a series
  of parts of the 
  formula that are being considered. And when you
  couple that, those 
  different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing
  those with personal 
  accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised
  more likely to be 
  -- or closer delivered to that has been promised.
  Does that make any sense to you?
  It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of
  things that cause the 
  --like, for example, benefits are calculated based
  upon the increase of 
  wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some
  have suggested that 
  we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon
  inflation, supposed 
  to wage increases. There is a reform that would help
  solve the red if 
  that were put into effect. In other words, how fast
  benefits grow, how 
  fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that
  growth is 
  affected, it will help on the red.
 
 This is the President of the most powerful nation on
 earth. It would make a great joke if it wasn't true.
 He truly doesn't know what he is talking about, he
 only thinks he knows. A very dangerous combination. 

um, yeah. Look in the mirror.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe

2005-06-23 Thread Peter Sutphen


--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  --- johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
   THIS IS NOT A JOKE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID
 
   
   Subject: President Bush explains his Social
 Security
   Reform Proposal:
   
   WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: I don't really understand.
 How is
   it the new plan is 
   going to fix the problem?
   
   Verbatim response:
   
   PRESIDENT BUSH: Because the -- all which is on
 the
   table begins to 
   address the big cost drivers. For example, how
   benefits are calculated, 
   for example, is on the table. Whether or not
   benefits rise based upon 
   wage increases or price increases. There's a
 series
   of parts of the 
   formula that are being considered. And when you
   couple that, those 
   different cost drivers, affecting those --
 changing
   those with personal 
   accounts, the idea is to get what has been
 promised
   more likely to be 
   -- or closer delivered to that has been
 promised.
   Does that make any sense to you?
   It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of
   things that cause the 
   --like, for example, benefits are calculated
 based
   upon the increase of 
   wages, as opposed to the increase of prices.
 Some
   have suggested that 
   we calculate -- the benefits will rise based
 upon
   inflation, supposed 
   to wage increases. There is a reform that would
 help
   solve the red if 
   that were put into effect. In other words, how
 fast
   benefits grow, how 
   fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if
 that
   growth is 
   affected, it will help on the red.
  
  This is the President of the most powerful nation
 on
  earth. It would make a great joke if it wasn't
 true.
  He truly doesn't know what he is talking about, he
  only thinks he knows. A very dangerous
 combination. 
 
 um, yeah. Look in the mirror.

Oh, you get me so mad! Well, you're a stupid head, so
there! And I bet you smell like poop too!



 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe

2005-06-23 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 THIS IS NOT A JOKE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID 
 
 Subject: President Bush explains his Social Security Reform 
Proposal:
 
 WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: I don't really understand. How is it the new 
plan is 
 going to fix the problem?
 
 Verbatim response:
 
 PRESIDENT BUSH: Because the -- all which is on the table begins to 
 address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are 
calculated, 
 for example, is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based 
upon 
 wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the 
 formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those 
 different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with 
personal 
 accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to 
be 
 -- or closer delivered to that has been promised.
 Does that make any sense to you?
 It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause 
the 
 --like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the 
increase of 
 wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested 
that 
 we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, 
supposed 
 to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red 
if 
 that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, 
how 
 fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is 
 affected, it will help on the red.

Quo usque tandem abutere, Catty Leena, patientia nostra?





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