[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > In a message dated 2/20/06 8:01:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> > shempmcgurk@ writes:
> > 
> > > You mean  like TV networks consciously refusing to show  
> > > images of 9/11  anymore?
> > 
> > No, that should be shown every  day.
> 
> Why?

Dietary concerns. Americans need their minimum
daily requirement of fear.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 2/20/06 8:01:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> You mean  like TV networks consciously refusing to show images of 
> 9/11  anymore?
> 
> 
> 
> No, that should be shown every  day.
>

Why?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 2/20/06 8:01:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You mean 
  like TV networks consciously refusing to show images of 9/11 
  anymore?

No, that should be shown every 
day.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff"  wrote:
> >
> > Mohamed cartoons.  Publish or don't publish.  Anyone here have an
> > opinion?  Has MMY expressed an opinion?
> 
> My opinion is "Publish away...as many as it takes to
> get these fanatics to lighten up."  And just for fun,
> here's an even more strident opinion (although delivered,
> as is his wont, tongue in cheek) from author Christopher
> Moore:
> 
> 
> Dear President Bush: 

snip and quote:
You need to violate sovereign nations and drop precision-guided
munitions in the squares and streets where this stuff is being done.
You need to send Rangers and Special forces, Black Ops, stealth
bombers, Navy Seals, smart bombs, bunker busters, Easter Seals, and
if he's still available, Chuck Norris and a Total Gym; you need to
send dolphins with laser helmets, bomb-sniffing dogs, and bio-
engineered, Southern Baptist killer robots (I know you have them,
you just can't reveal it because it's not to your political
advantage to do so.

***snip*** 

> Thank you for your time. 
> 
> God Bless America. 
> 
> Sincerely, 
> Your Royal Subject, 
> Christopher Moore
>
  Now that's both funny and makes his point have to read his book

JohnY






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff 
wrote:
> > > 
> > > Ah, you are sickened by the US blowing up innocents in Iraq also. 
> > > Far more than were killed in the twin towers.
> > > 
> > > btw, what muslim said "cartoons of the prophet are more defamitory
> > > than blowing innocents up"? I missed that. Was it on "Fuck-Ragheads
> > > TV"? A favorite of yours I bet. 
> > 
> > A prime example of tastefull speech there. 
> 
> That you cannot distinguish between humor (perhaps tasteless) of my
> comments, and the rascist, culturally ignorant of your own (definately
> tasteless) is revealing.
> 
> > Would you like behead me
> > too? 
> 
> Though a presumed joke (haha, you are SOOO funny),such comments appear
> to refelct the deep saturation of your racism and cultural ignorance.
> In your view, do all muslims favor beheadings? Is GW Bush therefore a
> muslim? ("bring me osamas head on a stick")   Do non-muslims who argue
> against cultural and ethnic biases also favor beheadings? 
> 
> > The Raghead comment was Peter's I believe not mine. 
> 
> Yes I got that. And that it was satire. As were my "raghead" and
> "goat-fucking arab" satirizations of what I feel lurks deep in heart
> of many americans.
> 
> > And he was
> > being funny. 
> 
> Yes, I got that. I believe only an imbecile would not. Or that my
> "raghead" comments were also satire.
> 
> > Even with all my ill-breeding I got that one.
> 
> Well praise jesus. We got at least one half-smart white boy among us.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> > > I think a more fair and balanced view is that most muslims are
> > > disgusted with both the defamanation of the Prophet and US
blowing up
> > > innocents, and anyone blowing up innocents. Some are undoubtedly
> > > disgusted with anyone blowing up anyone. 
> > > 
> > > To get into a comparative analysis of which is more disgusting would
> > > seem a rather stupid question to most muslims, I would guess.
Probably
> > > asked or posed by some imbecelic american, they might guess.
>

Well I'm going to take my imbecelic, hyperbolic, racist, tasteless,
culturally ignorant, good-ole boy, American, half-smart white ass off
to bed.

Go back and reread the thread.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff  wrote:
> > 
> > You said, "What do you do when someone makes it clear that they will
> > kill you and your family and friends, while yelling God is great?"
> > 
> > I was attempting to portray, via satire, a good ol'boy american view,
> > held by a higher proportion of americans --in their guts -- than the
> > number of muslim extremists that you portray -- as a percentage of all
> > muslims. And this higher percentage good ol boy view is that they  are
> > willing to and support killing a lot of innocent muslims and their
> > family and friends, while yelling "Jesus Saves". 
> > 
> > When seen from that perspective, your hyperbole and racist rhetoric
> > becomes even more baseless.
> >
> 
> I think you are mistaken about the the views of a higher proportion of
> Americans. 

Well we appear to have different views on that. Surprise.

What if its an equal proportion? Does that change the point?

>You've certainly misunderstood me, 

Sorry. Maybe try again. Maybe I am slow.

> and managed to throw
> around a lot more hyperbole and name calling than I have.

hmm, not sure about that. But I will reread and see. 

But the important thing is we agree we both have slung a lot of
hyperbole and name calling tonight. Not a good trait, do you agree?









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff  wrote:
> > 
> > Ah, you are sickened by the US blowing up innocents in Iraq also. 
> > Far more than were killed in the twin towers.
> > 
> > btw, what muslim said "cartoons of the prophet are more defamitory
> > than blowing innocents up"? I missed that. Was it on "Fuck-Ragheads
> > TV"? A favorite of yours I bet. 
> 
> A prime example of tastefull speech there. 

That you cannot distinguish between humor (perhaps tasteless) of my
comments, and the rascist, culturally ignorant of your own (definately
tasteless) is revealing.

> Would you like behead me
> too? 

Though a presumed joke (haha, you are SOOO funny),such comments appear
to refelct the deep saturation of your racism and cultural ignorance.
In your view, do all muslims favor beheadings? Is GW Bush therefore a
muslim? ("bring me osamas head on a stick")   Do non-muslims who argue
against cultural and ethnic biases also favor beheadings? 

> The Raghead comment was Peter's I believe not mine. 

Yes I got that. And that it was satire. As were my "raghead" and
"goat-fucking arab" satirizations of what I feel lurks deep in heart
of many americans.

> And he was
> being funny. 

Yes, I got that. I believe only an imbecile would not. Or that my
"raghead" comments were also satire.

> Even with all my ill-breeding I got that one.

Well praise jesus. We got at least one half-smart white boy among us.


 

> > I think a more fair and balanced view is that most muslims are
> > disgusted with both the defamanation of the Prophet and US blowing up
> > innocents, and anyone blowing up innocents. Some are undoubtedly
> > disgusted with anyone blowing up anyone. 
> > 
> > To get into a comparative analysis of which is more disgusting would
> > seem a rather stupid question to most muslims, I would guess. Probably
> > asked or posed by some imbecelic american, they might guess.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"

> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but
no one
> > > > offers
> > > > > > > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the
> > > purpetraitor.
> > > > > > > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered
> this
> > > > reward
> > > > > > > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess
that's
> > > > just a
> > > > > > > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > JohnY
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Bingo! 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts
> > their
> > > > > > religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and
> > call for
> > > > > > the head of the cartoonist. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Very bewildering, and upsetting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > +++ Past post- "If you dont believe we are peaceful, we will
> cut off
> > > > > your head"
> > > > > Evidently, they never understood the old saying; "sticks and
> > > > > stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me"
> > > > > I came across that one in fourth grade and, it seems to have
> > been
> > > > > true since.  N.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > It's a level problem. We're talking about sensitivities, they're
> > > > killing. What do you do when someone makes it clear that they will
> > > > kill you and your family and friends, while yelling God is great?
> > > > 
> > > > JohnY
> > > 
> > > I know. Every time I see one of them cruise missles blowing up a
bunch
> > > of goat-fucking arabs I yell "Jesus Saves". I laughed  my guts
out so
> > > hard I blew beer outmy nose when they "accidentlY" (wink wink)
blewup
> > > that damned heathen rag-head wedding. I yelled "Jesus Saves" at gthe
> > > TV. Again.
> > > 
> > > But they gots one thing going for them. Pushing them kikes into the
> > > sea. Shit and as IF the so called  halocasut ever happend.
> > >
> > 
> > What's the point of all this drivel...If you don't have anything to
> > discuss why bother writing. Watch the BBC documentary that Barry
> > posted about. Ayman Z. believes that terror and killing innocents is a
> > valid stratagy in pursuing his goals. He has pursued this for over 30
> > years. My writing may not clearly convey my thoughts, but you're
> > painting with an awfully broad brush yourself.
> > 
> > JohnY
> 
> You said, "What do you do when someone makes it clear that they will
> kill you and your family and friends, while yelling God is great?"
> 
> I was attempting to portray, via satire, a good ol'boy american view,
> held by a higher proportion of americans --in their guts -- than the
> number of muslim extremists that you portray -- as a percentage of all
> muslims. And this higher percentage good ol boy view is that they  are
> willing to and support killing a lot of innocent muslims and their
> family and friends, while yelling "Jesus Saves". 
> 
> When seen from that perspective, your hyperbole and racist rhetoric
> becomes even more baseless.
>

I think you are mistaken about the the views of a higher proportion of
Americans. You've certainly misunderstood me, and managed to throw
around a lot more hyperbole and name calling than I have.

JohnY 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Many cultures have sacred symbols, or sinful acts -- that
> often seem
> > > > > trivial to other cultures. Creating an image of Mohammad -- in
> Islam
> > > > > is one of the latter. Seems odd to many christians. Hey its
> just  a
> > > > > cartoon. But let the same see a US flag burned, and they are
> > ready to
> > > > > nuke the perpetrators. Another culture says, its just a piece of
> > > > > cloth, why the fuss? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the
> king,
> > > > > even as a joke.. More so in Thailand  as I recall, where you
> can get
> > > > > into serious trouble by doing so. Hard for Americans to "get"
> > that --
> > > > > they joke about the royal family in UK and elsewhere all the
> time --
> > > > > seeing kings as antiquated throwbacks of tyranny. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > But damn, mess with that flag -- or say something unholy about
> Jesus
> > > > > -- and your ass is fried. Lots of other examples -- Jewish Holy
> > land,
> > > > > Hindu sacred cows and temple sites (adhoya sp?), cutting a sikhs
> > hair,
> > > > > etc. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > To be insensitive to another culture and disrespect their sacred
> > > > > things -- "because it seems trivial to us" -- is the height
--  or
> > > > > depth -- of stupidity, crudeness, rudeness, and barbarianism. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > To say "I think every news channel and newspaper in the world
> should
> > > > > publish  the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries.
> If the
> > > > > fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no
targets"
> > > > > marks you as the above. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > But hey, maybe you have a point. Lets go burn some flags, drag
> some
> > > > > crucifixes through urine, deface some Stars of David with
> > swastikas, 
> > > > >  and burn some crosses on every block across the US.  If
those US
> > > > > fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no
targets".
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" 
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mohamed cartoons.  Publish or don't publish.  Anyone here
> > have an
> > > > > > > opinion?  Has MMY expressed an opinion?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I think every news channel and newspaper in the world should
> > publish
> > > > > > the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If the
> > fanatics
> > > > > > have too many targets it will be the same as no targets.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one
> offers
> > > > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the
purpetraitor.
> > > 
> > > > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this
> reward
> > > > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's
> just a
> > > > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > > > 
> > > > JohnY
> > > 
> > > This is sick. You are somehow justifying mass publication of the
> > > highest defamation of a world religion because some fool in
goverment
> > > does a stupid thing?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > But the US usualy acts in a far more dignified way. It simply bombs
> > > the shit out of offender of its "sacred" views. Or has the gov't
over
> > > thrown.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > No, I was compairing the response to the supposed "highest defamation
> > of a world religion". Several world religions actually. The odd thing
> > is that they can actually convince us that cartoons of the prophet are
> > more defamitory than blowing innocents up. 
> > 
> > JohnY
> 
> Ah, you are sickened by the US blowing up innocents in Iraq also. 
> Far more than were killed in the twin towers.
> 
> btw, what muslim said "cartoons of the prophet are more defamitory
> than blowing innocents up"? I missed that. Was it on "Fuck-Ragheads
> TV"? A favorite of yours I bet. 

A prime example of tastefull speech there. Would you like behead me
too? The Raghead comment was Peter's I believe not mine. And he was
being funny. Even with all my ill-breeding I got that one.

JohnY


> 
> I think a more fair and balanced view is that most muslims are
> disgusted with both the defamanation of the Prophet and US blowing up
> innocents, and anyone blowing up innocents. Some are undoubtedly
> disgusted with anyone blowing up anyone. 
> 
> To get into a comparative analysis of which is more disgusting would
> seem a rather stupid question to most muslims, I would guess. Probably
> asked or posed by some imbecelic american, they migh

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Many cultures have sacred symbols, or sinful acts -- that often 
> > > seem
> > > > trivial to other cultures. Creating an image of Mohammad -- in 
> > > Islam
> > > > is one of the latter. Seems odd to many christians. Hey its
just  a
> > > > cartoon. But let the same see a US flag burned, and they are
ready 
> > > to
> > > > nuke the perpetrators. Another culture says, its just a piece of
> > > > cloth, why the fuss? 
> > > > 
> > > > In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the 
> > > king,
> > > > even as a joke.
> > > 
> > > The stand-up comedian have making jokes of the King for years.
It is 
> > > not looked at as a crime at all in Norway. Sometimes you need jokes 
> > > about "holy" things or dogmas simply to put an eye on it - to maybe 
> > > start a process of discussion and through discussions make changes. 
> > > Ingegerd
> > 
> > Ok Thanks for the clarification. When I visited Oslo, the point was
> > made about the king to me. I was not sure how "real" it was.
> > 
> > > Sometimes you need jokes 
> > > about "holy" things or dogmas simply to put an eye on it - to maybe 
> > > start a process of discussion and through discussions make changes. 
> > 
> > I agree humor and satire can, in appropriate circumstances, be good
> > discussion starters. And help people see more sides of an issue. But
> > not always in all circumstances. Its not always effective. There is a
> > time and place for humor. 
> > 
> > In my view, the editors of the magazine that published the cartoons
> > are imbeciles with no cultural sensitivity. Its "free speech" just as
> > yelling fire in a theatre is, or yelling "niggers" to a crowd
> > assembled to protest a beating of a black by a police officer. Not all
> > free speech is protected in the US. When it is, it can sometimes be an
> > exercise in stupidity. 
> > 
> > Free speech does not protect one from the consequences of poor taste,
> > imbecilic outbursts, or culturally ignorant explosive speech. For
> > example, If I see a group of latino youths and I shout "your sisters a
> > whore", its protected free speech. But I must bear the consequences of
> > having the shit beat out of me for my poor taste.
> >
> 
> There is a 'level difference' between beating the shit out of you and
> killing you for your poor taste.
> 
> 
> JohnY

Your logic is vastly confused or at least confusing.

Who killed who? Did the muslims kill the cartoonists? 
Are you saying the gang beating would never result in death? 
Are you saying its ok to insult people and cultures if they just beat
the shit out of you, but not if they kill you?









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one
> > > offers
> > > > > > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the
> > purpetraitor.
> > > > > > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered
this
> > > reward
> > > > > > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's
> > > just a
> > > > > > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > JohnY
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bingo! 
> > > > > 
> > > > > All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts
> their
> > > > > religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and
> call for
> > > > > the head of the cartoonist. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Very bewildering, and upsetting.
> > > > >
> > > > +++ Past post- "If you dont believe we are peaceful, we will
cut off
> > > > your head"
> > > > Evidently, they never understood the old saying; "sticks and
> > > > stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me"
> > > > I came across that one in fourth grade and, it seems to have
> been
> > > > true since.  N.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > It's a level problem. We're talking about sensitivities, they're
> > > killing. What do you do when someone makes it clear that they will
> > > kill you and your family and friends, while yelling God is great?
> > > 
> > > JohnY
> > 
> > I know. Every time I see one of them cruise missles blowing up a bunch
> > of goat-fucking arabs I yell "Jesus Saves". I laughed  my guts out so
> > hard I blew beer outmy nose when they "accidentlY" (wink wink) blewup
> > that damned heathen rag-head wedding. I yelled "Jesus Saves" at gthe
> > TV. Again.
> > 
> > But they gots one thing going for them. Pushing them kikes into the
> > sea. Shit and as IF the so called  halocasut ever happend.
> >
> 
> What's the point of all this drivel...If you don't have anything to
> discuss why bother writing. Watch the BBC documentary that Barry
> posted about. Ayman Z. believes that terror and killing innocents is a
> valid stratagy in pursuing his goals. He has pursued this for over 30
> years. My writing may not clearly convey my thoughts, but you're
> painting with an awfully broad brush yourself.
> 
> JohnY

You said, "What do you do when someone makes it clear that they will
kill you and your family and friends, while yelling God is great?"

I was attempting to portray, via satire, a good ol'boy american view,
held by a higher proportion of americans --in their guts -- than the
number of muslim extremists that you portray -- as a percentage of all
muslims. And this higher percentage good ol boy view is that they  are
willing to and support killing a lot of innocent muslims and their
family and friends, while yelling "Jesus Saves". 

When seen from that perspective, your hyperbole and racist rhetoric
becomes even more baseless. 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Many cultures have sacred symbols, or sinful acts -- that often 
> > seem
> > > trivial to other cultures. Creating an image of Mohammad -- in 
> > Islam
> > > is one of the latter. Seems odd to many christians. Hey its just  a
> > > cartoon. But let the same see a US flag burned, and they are ready 
> > to
> > > nuke the perpetrators. Another culture says, its just a piece of
> > > cloth, why the fuss? 
> > > 
> > > In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the 
> > king,
> > > even as a joke.
> > 
> > The stand-up comedian have making jokes of the King for years. It is 
> > not looked at as a crime at all in Norway. Sometimes you need jokes 
> > about "holy" things or dogmas simply to put an eye on it - to maybe 
> > start a process of discussion and through discussions make changes. 
> > Ingegerd
> 
> Ok Thanks for the clarification. When I visited Oslo, the point was
> made about the king to me. I was not sure how "real" it was.
> 
> > Sometimes you need jokes 
> > about "holy" things or dogmas simply to put an eye on it - to maybe 
> > start a process of discussion and through discussions make changes. 
> 
> I agree humor and satire can, in appropriate circumstances, be good
> discussion starters. And help people see more sides of an issue. But
> not always in all circumstances. Its not always effective. There is a
> time and place for humor. 
> 
> In my view, the editors of the magazine that published the cartoons
> are imbeciles with no cultural sensitivity. Its "free speech" just as
> yelling fire in a theatre is, or yelling "niggers" to a crowd
> assembled to protest a beating of a black by a police officer. Not all
> free speech is protected in the US. When it is, it can sometimes be an
> exercise in stupidity. 
> 
> Free speech does not protect one from the consequences of poor taste,
> imbecilic outbursts, or culturally ignorant explosive speech. For
> example, If I see a group of latino youths and I shout "your sisters a
> whore", its protected free speech. But I must bear the consequences of
> having the shit beat out of me for my poor taste.
>

There is a 'level difference' between beating the shit out of you and
killing you for your poor taste.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one
> offers
> > > > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the
purpetraitor.
> > > > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this
> reward
> > > > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's
> just a
> > > > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > > > 
> > > > JohnY
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Bingo! 
> > > 
> > > All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts their
> > > religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and call for
> > > the head of the cartoonist. 
> > > 
> > > Very bewildering, and upsetting.
> > 
> > Just like the Jews have no sense of humor about the Holocaust I guess.
> > And Christains -- can't they take a joke. The crucification was
> > hilarious. So "Very bewildering, and upsetting."
> >
> 
> I don't understand. You're compairing the deaths of 6,000,000+ with
> cartoons of Mohammed? 
> 
> JohnY

I am saying every culture has its "hot buttons". Its not an issue of
comparing and ranking them. But it is an issue of understanding and
respecting them, of having some respect for all cultures. 

Which after all this, you appear to still have little. You still spin
the defamation of Islam as "a cartoon". (Like Barney. Who doesnt like
cartoons.  La de da.) Do you understand that any graphic or iconic
representation of the Prophet is forbidden in many sects of Islam?

To you, would pissing on a crucifix at high mass at the vatican just
be "a call of nature"?














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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one
> > offers
> > > > > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the
> purpetraitor.
> > > > > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this
> > reward
> > > > > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's
> > just a
> > > > > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > JohnY
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Bingo! 
> > > > 
> > > > All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts
their
> > > > religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and
call for
> > > > the head of the cartoonist. 
> > > > 
> > > > Very bewildering, and upsetting.
> > > >
> > > +++ Past post- "If you dont believe we are peaceful, we will cut off
> > > your head"
> > > Evidently, they never understood the old saying; "sticks and
> > > stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me"
> > > I came across that one in fourth grade and, it seems to have
been
> > > true since.  N.
> > >
> > 
> > It's a level problem. We're talking about sensitivities, they're
> > killing. What do you do when someone makes it clear that they will
> > kill you and your family and friends, while yelling God is great?
> > 
> > JohnY
> 
> I know. Every time I see one of them cruise missles blowing up a bunch
> of goat-fucking arabs I yell "Jesus Saves". I laughed  my guts out so
> hard I blew beer outmy nose when they "accidentlY" (wink wink) blewup
> that damned heathen rag-head wedding. I yelled "Jesus Saves" at gthe
> TV. Again.
> 
> But they gots one thing going for them. Pushing them kikes into the
> sea. Shit and as IF the so called  halocasut ever happend.
>

What's the point of all this drivel...If you don't have anything to
discuss why bother writing. Watch the BBC documentary that Barry
posted about. Ayman Z. believes that terror and killing innocents is a
valid stratagy in pursuing his goals. He has pursued this for over 30
years. My writing may not clearly convey my thoughts, but you're
painting with an awfully broad brush yourself.

JohnY






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Many cultures have sacred symbols, or sinful acts -- that
often seem
> > > > trivial to other cultures. Creating an image of Mohammad -- in
Islam
> > > > is one of the latter. Seems odd to many christians. Hey its
just  a
> > > > cartoon. But let the same see a US flag burned, and they are
> ready to
> > > > nuke the perpetrators. Another culture says, its just a piece of
> > > > cloth, why the fuss? 
> > > > 
> > > > In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the
king,
> > > > even as a joke.. More so in Thailand  as I recall, where you
can get
> > > > into serious trouble by doing so. Hard for Americans to "get"
> that --
> > > > they joke about the royal family in UK and elsewhere all the
time --
> > > > seeing kings as antiquated throwbacks of tyranny. 
> > > > 
> > > > But damn, mess with that flag -- or say something unholy about
Jesus
> > > > -- and your ass is fried. Lots of other examples -- Jewish Holy
> land,
> > > > Hindu sacred cows and temple sites (adhoya sp?), cutting a sikhs
> hair,
> > > > etc. 
> > > > 
> > > > To be insensitive to another culture and disrespect their sacred
> > > > things -- "because it seems trivial to us" -- is the height --  or
> > > > depth -- of stupidity, crudeness, rudeness, and barbarianism. 
> > > > 
> > > > To say "I think every news channel and newspaper in the world
should
> > > > publish  the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries.
If the
> > > > fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets"
> > > > marks you as the above. 
> > > > 
> > > > But hey, maybe you have a point. Lets go burn some flags, drag
some
> > > > crucifixes through urine, deface some Stars of David with
> swastikas, 
> > > >  and burn some crosses on every block across the US.  If those US
> > > > fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets".
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" 
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mohamed cartoons.  Publish or don't publish.  Anyone here
> have an
> > > > > > opinion?  Has MMY expressed an opinion?
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think every news channel and newspaper in the world should
> publish
> > > > > the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If the
> fanatics
> > > > > have too many targets it will be the same as no targets.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one
offers
> > > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the purpetraitor.
> > 
> > > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this
reward
> > > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's
just a
> > > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > > 
> > > JohnY
> > 
> > This is sick. You are somehow justifying mass publication of the
> > highest defamation of a world religion because some fool in goverment
> > does a stupid thing?
> > 
> > 
> > But the US usualy acts in a far more dignified way. It simply bombs
> > the shit out of offender of its "sacred" views. Or has the gov't over
> > thrown.
> >
> 
> 
> No, I was compairing the response to the supposed "highest defamation
> of a world religion". Several world religions actually. The odd thing
> is that they can actually convince us that cartoons of the prophet are
> more defamitory than blowing innocents up. 
> 
> JohnY

Ah, you are sickened by the US blowing up innocents in Iraq also. 
Far more than were killed in the twin towers.

btw, what muslim said "cartoons of the prophet are more defamitory
than blowing innocents up"? I missed that. Was it on "Fuck-Ragheads
TV"? A favorite of yours I bet. 

I think a more fair and balanced view is that most muslims are
disgusted with both the defamanation of the Prophet and US blowing up
innocents, and anyone blowing up innocents. Some are undoubtedly
disgusted with anyone blowing up anyone. 

To get into a comparative analysis of which is more disgusting would
seem a rather stupid question to most muslims, I would guess. Probably
asked or posed by some imbecelic american, they might guess. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one
offers
> > > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the purpetraitor.
> > > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this
reward
> > > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's
just a
> > > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > > 
> > > JohnY
> > >
> > 
> > Bingo! 
> > 
> > All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts their
> > religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and call for
> > the head of the cartoonist. 
> > 
> > Very bewildering, and upsetting.
> 
> Just like the Jews have no sense of humor about the Holocaust I guess.
> And Christains -- can't they take a joke. The crucification was
> hilarious. So "Very bewildering, and upsetting."
>

I don't understand. You're compairing the deaths of 6,000,000+ with
cartoons of Mohammed? 

JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff  
> wrote:
> >
> > Many cultures have sacred symbols, or sinful acts -- that often 
> seem
> > trivial to other cultures. Creating an image of Mohammad -- in 
> Islam
> > is one of the latter. Seems odd to many christians. Hey its just  a
> > cartoon. But let the same see a US flag burned, and they are ready 
> to
> > nuke the perpetrators. Another culture says, its just a piece of
> > cloth, why the fuss? 
> > 
> > In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the 
> king,
> > even as a joke.
> 
> The stand-up comedian have making jokes of the King for years. It is 
> not looked at as a crime at all in Norway. Sometimes you need jokes 
> about "holy" things or dogmas simply to put an eye on it - to maybe 
> start a process of discussion and through discussions make changes. 
> Ingegerd

Ok Thanks for the clarification. When I visited Oslo, the point was
made about the king to me. I was not sure how "real" it was.

> Sometimes you need jokes 
> about "holy" things or dogmas simply to put an eye on it - to maybe 
> start a process of discussion and through discussions make changes. 

I agree humor and satire can, in appropriate circumstances, be good
discussion starters. And help people see more sides of an issue. But
not always in all circumstances. Its not always effective. There is a
time and place for humor. 

In my view, the editors of the magazine that published the cartoons
are imbeciles with no cultural sensitivity. Its "free speech" just as
yelling fire in a theatre is, or yelling "niggers" to a crowd
assembled to protest a beating of a black by a police officer. Not all
free speech is protected in the US. When it is, it can sometimes be an
exercise in stupidity. 

Free speech does not protect one from the consequences of poor taste,
imbecilic outbursts, or culturally ignorant explosive speech. For
example, If I see a group of latino youths and I shout "your sisters a
whore", its protected free speech. But I must bear the consequences of
having the shit beat out of me for my poor taste.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff 
wrote:
> > >
> > > Many cultures have sacred symbols, or sinful acts -- that often seem
> > > trivial to other cultures. Creating an image of Mohammad -- in Islam
> > > is one of the latter. Seems odd to many christians. Hey its just  a
> > > cartoon. But let the same see a US flag burned, and they are
ready to
> > > nuke the perpetrators. Another culture says, its just a piece of
> > > cloth, why the fuss? 
> > > 
> > > In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the king,
> > > even as a joke.. More so in Thailand  as I recall, where you can get
> > > into serious trouble by doing so. Hard for Americans to "get"
that --
> > > they joke about the royal family in UK and elsewhere all the time --
> > > seeing kings as antiquated throwbacks of tyranny. 
> > > 
> > > But damn, mess with that flag -- or say something unholy about Jesus
> > > -- and your ass is fried. Lots of other examples -- Jewish Holy
land,
> > > Hindu sacred cows and temple sites (adhoya sp?), cutting a sikhs
hair,
> > > etc. 
> > > 
> > > To be insensitive to another culture and disrespect their sacred
> > > things -- "because it seems trivial to us" -- is the height --  or
> > > depth -- of stupidity, crudeness, rudeness, and barbarianism. 
> > > 
> > > To say "I think every news channel and newspaper in the world should
> > > publish  the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If the
> > > fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets"
> > > marks you as the above. 
> > > 
> > > But hey, maybe you have a point. Lets go burn some flags, drag some
> > > crucifixes through urine, deface some Stars of David with
swastikas, 
> > >  and burn some crosses on every block across the US.  If those US
> > > fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets".
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mohamed cartoons.  Publish or don't publish.  Anyone here
have an
> > > > > opinion?  Has MMY expressed an opinion?
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > I think every news channel and newspaper in the world should
publish
> > > > the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If the
fanatics
> > > > have too many targets it will be the same as no targets.
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one offers
> > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the purpetraitor.
> 
> > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this reward
> > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's just a
> > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > 
> > JohnY
> 
> This is sick. You are somehow justifying mass publication of the
> highest defamation of a world religion because some fool in goverment
> does a stupid thing?
> 
> 
> But the US usualy acts in a far more dignified way. It simply bombs
> the shit out of offender of its "sacred" views. Or has the gov't over
> thrown.
>


No, I was compairing the response to the supposed "highest defamation
of a world religion". Several world religions actually. The odd thing
is that they can actually convince us that cartoons of the prophet are
more defamitory than blowing innocents up. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[Ingegerd]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
wrote:
> >
> > Stupid ragheads!
> > 
> 72 virgins ! And the MAD, MAD, MAD ... World says Americans are tit
> obsessed... 
> 
> JohnY
> 
> 
> 
> > --- anonyff  wrote:
> > 
> > > Mohamed cartoons.  Publish or don't publish.  Anyone
> > > here have an
> > > opinion?  Has MMY expressed an opinion?

he has said something about Democracy.
Ingegerd
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[Ingegerd]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Many cultures have sacred symbols, or sinful acts -- that often 
seem
> trivial to other cultures. Creating an image of Mohammad -- in 
Islam
> is one of the latter. Seems odd to many christians. Hey its just  a
> cartoon. But let the same see a US flag burned, and they are ready 
to
> nuke the perpetrators. Another culture says, its just a piece of
> cloth, why the fuss? 
> 
> In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the 
king,
> even as a joke.

The stand-up comedian have making jokes of the King for years. It is 
not looked at as a crime at all in Norway. Sometimes you need jokes 
about "holy" things or dogmas simply to put an eye on it - to maybe 
start a process of discussion and through discussions make changes. 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one
> offers
> > > > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the
purpetraitor.
> > > > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this
> reward
> > > > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's
> just a
> > > > cultural/religious difference, right?
> > > >
> > > > JohnY
> > > >
> > >
> > > Bingo!
> > >
> > > All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts their
> > > religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and call for
> > > the head of the cartoonist.
> > >
> > > Very bewildering, and upsetting.
> > >
> > +++ Past post- "If you dont believe we are peaceful, we will cut off
> > your head"
> > Evidently, they never understood the old saying; "sticks and
> > stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me"
> > I came across that one in fourth grade and, it seems to have been
> > true since.  N.
>
> I KNOW. And the US is such a stellar example of such. As are Christians.
>
> You know what started all the trouble. When you good ol boys started
> calling the darkies "niggers" and the jew-boys --  who murdered our
> lord and savior-- "kikes. Push the fuckers into the sea, I say. I mean
> don't they get it, "sticks and  stones will break my bones but names
> will never hurt me". We should a just bombed the  shit out of them
> when we could have. And them wicked, raghed camel jockey goat-fucking
> -rabs too. Shit -- them getting all riled up by a few names. What
> dimwitted dickheads.


The point being, (since there are those among us that have a hard time
seeing satire)  if someone said this on TV, or your local town square,
there certainly would be protests, and likely riots.

And yet the Poindexters among us just don't get whats the fuss over "a
cartoon". And why those ("ill-bred"? --is that the word you were
looking for Johhny?) muslims insist on violence. Why can't they be
peaceful, like the US, the MOST peaceful land, peaceful people, and
peace-promoting government on earth, ever.







 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one
> > offers
> > > > > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the
> purpetraitor.
> > > > > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this
> > reward
> > > > > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's
> > just a
> > > > > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > JohnY
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Bingo! 
> > > > 
> > > > All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts
their
> > > > religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and
call for
> > > > the head of the cartoonist. 
> > > > 
> > > > Very bewildering, and upsetting.
> > > >
> > > +++ Past post- "If you dont believe we are peaceful, we will cut off
> > > your head"
> > > Evidently, they never understood the old saying; "sticks and
> > > stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me"
> > > I came across that one in fourth grade and, it seems to have
been
> > > true since.  N.
> > >
> > 
> > It's a level problem. We're talking about sensitivities, they're
> > killing. What do you do when someone makes it clear that they will
> > kill you and your family and friends, while yelling God is great?
> > 
> > JohnY
> 
> I know. Every time I see one of them cruise missles blowing up a bunch
> of goat-fucking arabs I yell "Jesus Saves". I laughed  my guts out so
> hard I blew beer outmy nose when they "accidentlY" (wink wink) blewup
> that damned heathen rag-head wedding. I yelled "Jesus Saves" at gthe
> TV. Again.
> 
> But they gots one thing going for them. Pushing them kikest  into the
> sea. Shit and as IF the so called  halocasut ever happend.

The point being, (since there are those among us that have a hard time
seeing satire) the US and its policies have killed far more arab
families than muslim extremists. 

Johny, when was the last time a muslim MADE IT CLEAR to you personally
  that they will kill YOU and YOUR family and friends, while yelling
God is great?

Ok. It never happend. But maybe you will be safer if we kill 50,000 or
100,000 more muslim families. So you can "sleep" better. (Though you
seem to be "sleeping" through it pretty good already.)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one
> offers
> > > > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the
purpetraitor.
> > > > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this
> reward
> > > > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's
> just a
> > > > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > > > 
> > > > JohnY
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Bingo! 
> > > 
> > > All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts their
> > > religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and call for
> > > the head of the cartoonist. 
> > > 
> > > Very bewildering, and upsetting.
> > >
> > +++ Past post- "If you dont believe we are peaceful, we will cut off
> > your head"
> > Evidently, they never understood the old saying; "sticks and
> > stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me"
> > I came across that one in fourth grade and, it seems to have been
> > true since.  N.
> 
> I KNOW. And the US is such a stellar example of such. As are Christians.
> 
> You know what started all the trouble. When you good ol boys started
> calling the darkies "niggers" and the jew-boys --  who murdered our
> lord and savior-- "kikes. Push the fuckers into the sea, I say. I mean
> don't they get it, "sticks and  stones will break my bones but names
> will never hurt me". We should a just bombed the  shit out of them
> when we could have. And them wicked, raghed camel jockey goat-fucking
> -rabs too. Shit -- them getting all riled up by a few names. What
> dimwitted dickheads.


The point being, (since there are those among us that have a hard time
seeing satire)  if someone said this on TV, or your local town square,
there certainly would be protests, and likely riots.

And yet the Poindexters among us just don't get whats the fuss over "a
cartoon". And why those (ill-bred? is that the word you were looking
for Johhny?) muslims insist on violence. Why can't they be peaceful,
like the US, the MOST peaceful land, peasceful people, and
peace-promoting gernment on earth, ever. 
 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Many cultures have sacred symbols, or sinful acts -- that 
often 
> > seem
> > > trivial to other cultures. Creating an image of Mohammad -- in 
> > Islam
> > > is one of the latter. Seems odd to many christians. Hey its 
just  
> a
> > > cartoon. But let the same see a US flag burned, and they are 
> ready 
> > to
> > > nuke the perpetrators. Another culture says, its just a piece 
of
> > > cloth, why the fuss? 
> > > 
> > > In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the 
> > king,
> > > even as a joke.. More so in Thailand  as I recall, where you 
can 
> > get
> > > into serious trouble by doing so. Hard for Americans to "get" 
> > that --
> > > they joke about the royal family in UK and elsewhere all the 
> time -
> > -
> > > seeing kings as antiquated throwbacks of tyranny. 
> > > 
> > > But damn, mess with that flag -- or say something unholy about 
> > Jesus
> > > -- and your ass is fried.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Not true.
> > 
> > I thought that burning the flag was constitutionally protected.
> > 
> > It pisses many people off when it happens but they don't kill 
you 
> > over it.
> > 
> > As for Jesus, well, I don't know where you've been for the past 
30 
> > years...Ole' JC is raked over the coals in the USA on a daily 
basis.
> > 
> > Piss Christ is not an isolated incident...
> 
> "Piss Christ" did not rake ol' JC over the coals,
> nor was Chris Ofili's gorgeous "Holy Virgin Mary"
> an insult to the Blessed Mother; to the contrary.
> 
> Both artists received death threats.
>

Oh?  I wasn't aware that they were killed






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one
offers 
> > > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the purpetraitor.

You do know Osama has a reward on his head, by the US, for far more
than that, don't you. And Bush asked for his head, literally. They
even had the dry ice stored up for the occasion. So I guess you are
not complaining about the barbarism of bounties and behadings. Your
issue appears to be that if ones religion or sacred tbings are
severely defiled (in the devotee's eyes -not yours who apparently know
nothing of Islam), it is too small an offense for "bounty and behadings".

I tend to agree. But most americans, and the current gov't don't.
Think about it:

If the Iranian or Syrian presidents, exercising freedom of speech, on
prime time TV:
- pissed on a cricifix and a picture of the Virgin Mary, 
- while buring a US and UK flag, 
- and called Laura and Jenna Bush "my former whores"  -- and detailed
his alleged sexual acts with them, 
- called the Holacasut a hoax, 
- spray painted a swastika on the Star of David,  
-called for legalization of all drugs, 
-called for $200 / barrel oil, 
-announced he had iron-clad proof of Bush/Cheney war crimes, 
-said all american women are skanks, 
-said the Beatles sucked, 
-called for a renewal of "biblical" slavery, 
-said blacks were inferior, 

he would have a 11.5 BILLION dollar reward for his head -- and his
country would be bombed off the face of the map. So much for free
speech. And while some in neutral countries would simply say "whats
the fuss, "sticks and stones and all" and "its just words on a page,
bits on a screen -- nothing worse than a cartoon", most americans
would call for the bombing of such, in their words "heathen barbarians".

Hell the US invaded Iraq because the gov't convinced a majority
ofpeople that "Saddam bombed the World Trade Center." They don't even
need real reasons to invade a country. The above would be way more
than enough "justifiction" once the spinmasters hyped it.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one
> offers
> > > > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the
purpetraitor.
> > > > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this
> reward
> > > > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's
> just a
> > > > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > > > 
> > > > JohnY
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Bingo! 
> > > 
> > > All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts their
> > > religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and call for
> > > the head of the cartoonist. 
> > > 
> > > Very bewildering, and upsetting.
> > >
> > +++ Past post- "If you dont believe we are peaceful, we will cut off
> > your head"
> > Evidently, they never understood the old saying; "sticks and
> > stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me"
> > I came across that one in fourth grade and, it seems to have been
> > true since.  N.
> >
> 
> It's a level problem. We're talking about sensitivities, they're
> killing. What do you do when someone makes it clear that they will
> kill you and your family and friends, while yelling God is great?
> 
> JohnY

I know. Every time I see one of them cruise missles blowing up a bunch
of goat-fucking arabs I yell "Jesus Saves". I laughed  my guts out so
hard I blew beer outmy nose when they "accidentlY" (wink wink) blewup
that damned heathen rag-head wedding. I yelled "Jesus Saves" at gthe
TV. Again.

But they gots one thing going for them. Pushing them kikes into the
sea. Shit and as IF the so called  halocasut ever happend.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one
offers
> > > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the purpetraitor.
> > > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this
reward
> > > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's
just a
> > > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > > 
> > > JohnY
> > >
> > 
> > Bingo! 
> > 
> > All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts their
> > religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and call for
> > the head of the cartoonist. 
> > 
> > Very bewildering, and upsetting.
> >
> +++ Past post- "If you dont believe we are peaceful, we will cut off
> your head"
> Evidently, they never understood the old saying; "sticks and
> stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me"
> I came across that one in fourth grade and, it seems to have been
> true since.  N.

I KNOW. And the US is such a stellar example of such. As are Christians.

You know what started all the trouble. When you good ol boys started
calling the darkies "niggers" and the jew-boys --  who murdered our
lord and savior-- "kikes. Push the fuckers into the sea, I say. I mean
don't they get it, "sticks and  stones will break my bones but names
will never hurt me". We should a just bombed the  shit out of them
when we could have. And them wicked, raghed camel jockey goat-fucking
-rabs too. Shit -- them getting all riled up by a few names. What
dimwitted dickheads.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > To be insensitive to another culture and disrespect their sacred
> > things -- "because it seems trivial to us" -- is the height --  or
> > depth -- of stupidity, crudeness, rudeness, and barbarianism. 
> 
> 
> Yes, I agree it is all those things.
> 
> BUT the right to be stupid, crude, rude and barbaric should be 
> constitutionally protected.


OK then. Lets bomb the shit out of them raghead camel jockeys with
cruise missles painted with big "Jesus Saves" on them, until they
adopt a constitution and have real democracy like us and they can have
the right to be stupid, crude, rude and barbaric as a constitutional
right. (Oh, we just did that in Iraq). Then they can say "the
holocasut never happened" "drive israel into the sea" "kill all
christians" and "lets go blow upsome more skyscappers" with impunity.
Right? I am with you bro.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 20, 2006, at 7:42 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:
> 
> > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one offers
> > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the purpetraitor.
> > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this reward
> > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's just a
> > cultural/religious difference, right?
> >
> > JohnY
> 
> Right!
> 
> Did you see the 60 Minutes slot on this last night?
> 
> You also don't hear Jews or Christians running planes into  
> skyscrapers while yelling "Jesus saves!" or "Holy Moses!". 

Of course not silly. They write it on their crusie missles. The real
God gives his real chosen people real weapons to bomb the shit out of
non-believers. Not just silly ariplanes.

> Of course  
> we do have abortion clinic bombers and used to have Timothy McVeigh...
> 
> If you saw the cartoons, some are very apropos social commentary-- 
> i.e. the one where these suicide bombers are arriving in heaven and  
> Mohammed says "Sorry, we're all out of virgins!"
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one offers
> > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the purpetraitor.
> > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this reward
> > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's just a
> > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > 
> > JohnY
> >
> 
> Bingo! 
> 
> All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts their
> religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and call for
> the head of the cartoonist. 
> 
> Very bewildering, and upsetting.

Just like the Jews have no sense of humor about the Holocaust I guess.
And Christains -- can't they take a joke. The crucification was
hilarious. So "Very bewildering, and upsetting." 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff  wrote:
> >
> > Many cultures have sacred symbols, or sinful acts -- that often seem
> > trivial to other cultures. Creating an image of Mohammad -- in Islam
> > is one of the latter. Seems odd to many christians. Hey its just  a
> > cartoon. But let the same see a US flag burned, and they are ready to
> > nuke the perpetrators. Another culture says, its just a piece of
> > cloth, why the fuss? 
> > 
> > In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the king,
> > even as a joke.. More so in Thailand  as I recall, where you can get
> > into serious trouble by doing so. Hard for Americans to "get" that --
> > they joke about the royal family in UK and elsewhere all the time --
> > seeing kings as antiquated throwbacks of tyranny. 
> > 
> > But damn, mess with that flag -- or say something unholy about Jesus
> > -- and your ass is fried. Lots of other examples -- Jewish Holy land,
> > Hindu sacred cows and temple sites (adhoya sp?), cutting a sikhs hair,
> > etc. 
> > 
> > To be insensitive to another culture and disrespect their sacred
> > things -- "because it seems trivial to us" -- is the height --  or
> > depth -- of stupidity, crudeness, rudeness, and barbarianism. 
> > 
> > To say "I think every news channel and newspaper in the world should
> > publish  the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If the
> > fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets"
> > marks you as the above. 
> > 
> > But hey, maybe you have a point. Lets go burn some flags, drag some
> > crucifixes through urine, deface some Stars of David with swastikas, 
> >  and burn some crosses on every block across the US.  If those US
> > fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets".
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mohamed cartoons.  Publish or don't publish.  Anyone here have an
> > > > opinion?  Has MMY expressed an opinion?
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I think every news channel and newspaper in the world should publish
> > > the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If the fanatics
> > > have too many targets it will be the same as no targets.
> > >
> >
> 
> Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one offers
> an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the purpetraitor.

> (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this reward
> for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's just a
> cultural/religious difference, right? 
> 
> JohnY

This is sick. You are somehow justifying mass publication of the
highest defamation of a world religion because some fool in goverment
does a stupid thing?


But the US usualy acts in a far more dignified way. It simply bombs
the shit out of offender of its "sacred" views. Or has the gov't over
thrown.









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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> 
> It's a level problem. We're talking about
> sensitivities, they're
> killing. What do you do when someone makes it clear
> that they will
> kill you and your family and friends, while yelling
> God is great?
> 
> JohnY

You shoot the f*cker before he can breed. Aim just
below the pile of rags on his head. They have no sense
of irony. Bastards!


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[anon_astute_ff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff  wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the king,
> > even as a joke.. More so in Thailand  as I recall, where you can get
> > into serious trouble by doing so. Hard for Americans to "get" that -- 
> > they joke about the royal family in UK and elsewhere all the time --
> > seeing kings as antiquated throwbacks of tyranny. 
> 
> But then Norwegians and Brittons don't bomb their embassies as a
result. 

You either misread my comment about the Brits and royalty or I wrote
it poorly. I didn't say that there are serious consequences and great
offense will be  taken if one insults the British royal family while
in London. After all that has occured my sense is the Brits do quite a
bit joking about their royals and no one is thrown in jail. 

But lets focus on the US and US culture. I assume you are a yank.
In most of the 20th century, blacks were lynched, beaten,churches and
homes were bombed, basic rights were denied, etc and all for acts, or
imagined acts, most of the world would think trivial: blacks violated
the sacred code of white suopremecy and highly detailed sacred codes
of conduct of segregation and apartheid. Bombing a few  embassies
hardly compares to that multi-century oppression.

The US overtly or covertly overthrew democratically governements in
Chile (Allende), Vietnam (Diem), Iran(predecessor to the Shaw),
Gautamala (I believe it was an elected govt there) and supported
brutal and corrupt dictators for decades-- all because tenets of a US
sacred code of their foreign policy was seen or imagined to be
violated. "Violations" that much of the rest of the world saw as
non-existent -- or small enough to be dealt with in other much less
brutal ways. Bombing a few embassies hardly compares. 
 
Many other examples of US violence around the world because they
perceived something "sacred" to them, though "trivial" to most of the
world, being disrespected.
 
I could go on with the Christian Right, the horrendous  brutality of
the Catholic (and other) church(es) over the centuries, who can forget
the Crusades, -- much of which was instigated by something sacred in
Christiandom being violated -- things much of the world saw as small
potatoes. Bombing a few embassies is begining to look like a peaace
march in comparison. 

And lets not forget -- the bombing a few embassies at this stage ofthe
current issue is more of a governemnt stirring up dissent for
political purposes -- not mosque generated dissent.


> > But damn, mess with that flag -- or say something unholy about Jesus
> > -- and your ass is fried. Lots of other examples -- Jewish Holy land,
> > Hindu sacred cows and temple sites (adhoya sp?), cutting a sikhs hair,
> > etc. 
> > 
> > To be insensitive to another culture and disrespect their sacred
> > things -- "because it seems trivial to us" -- is the height --  or
> > depth -- of stupidity, crudeness, rudeness, and barbarianism. 
> > 
> > To say "I think every news channel and newspaper in the world should
> > publish  the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If the
> > fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets"
> > marks you as the above. 
> > 
> > But hey, maybe you have a point. Lets go burn some flags, drag some
> > crucifixes through urine, deface some Stars of David with swastikas, 
> >  and burn some crosses on every block across the US.  If those US
> > fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets".
> > 
> 
> I didn't say their beliefs were trivial. 

Ok. To be insensitive to another culture and disrespect their sacred
things, for whatever reasons -- is the height --  or
depth -- of stupidity, crudeness, rudeness, and barbarianism. 


> My point was to make the cartoon so ubiquitous they don't have a
> target, much in the way the Danish people did when the Nazis required
> Jews to wear the Star of David:   the whole population, including the
> Kind, wore the Star of David on their clothes. If everyone's doing it,
> it might get a little harder to find the target you want to hate. 

Yet you have apparently found your target to hate. How do we diffuse
such barbarians and cultural imbeciles so they don't do huge damage
around the globe?

 
> There's a difference between disrespect and sacrilege. You can
> disrespect another's religion but only commit a sacrilege in your own.

>  Those rioting in protest against the cartoon are opposing it as a
> great religious travesty, a sacrilege. Which is de facto imposing
> their religious standards on non-Muslims. 

First, no one is giving out good conduct awards for people rioting in
the streets. Actually, per above, few driven by pure religious
sentiments apppear to be rioting. Its governments whipping up the
fervor for their won ends.

But, regardless your logic is silly. But lets follow it. If the US
then finds "insul

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one 
offers
> > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the 
purpetraitor.
> > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this 
reward
> > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's 
just a
> > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > 
> > JohnY
> >
> 
> Bingo! 
> 
> All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts their
> religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and call for
> the head of the cartoonist. 
> 
> Very bewildering, and upsetting.
>

Did the rioters riot because Rodney King was beaten or was there some 
other issue goingon auch that Rodney king was used as an excuse to 
riot by peoplealready primed for such actions?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 2/20/06 7:33:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> > drpetersutphen@ writes:
> > 
> > Stupid  ragheads!
> > 
> > Is that what M calls them?
> 
> No, that's what conservative diva Ann Coulter calls them.
>
+++ Maybe, in the case of Bin-Laden, those are bandages from being (I
think) six foot four and living in caves with low ceilings.  N.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one
offers
> > > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the purpetraitor.
> > > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this
reward
> > > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's
just a
> > > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > > 
> > > JohnY
> > >
> > 
> > Bingo! 
> > 
> > All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts their
> > religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and call for
> > the head of the cartoonist. 
> > 
> > Very bewildering, and upsetting.
> >
> +++ Past post- "If you dont believe we are peaceful, we will cut off
> your head"
> Evidently, they never understood the old saying; "sticks and
> stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me"
> I came across that one in fourth grade and, it seems to have been
> true since.  N.
>

It's a level problem. We're talking about sensitivities, they're
killing. What do you do when someone makes it clear that they will
kill you and your family and friends, while yelling God is great?

JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one offers
> > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the purpetraitor.
> > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this reward
> > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's just a
> > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > 
> > JohnY
> >
> 
> Bingo! 
> 
> All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts their
> religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and call for
> the head of the cartoonist. 
> 
> Very bewildering, and upsetting.
>
+++ Past post- "If you dont believe we are peaceful, we will cut off
your head"
Evidently, they never understood the old saying; "sticks and
stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me"
I came across that one in fourth grade and, it seems to have been
true since.  N.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Stupid ragheads!
> 
72 virgins ! And the MAD, MAD, MAD ... World says Americans are tit
obsessed... 

JohnY



> --- anonyff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Mohamed cartoons.  Publish or don't publish.  Anyone
> > here have an
> > opinion?  Has MMY expressed an opinion?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one offers
> > an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the purpetraitor.
> > (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this reward
> > for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's just a
> > cultural/religious difference, right? 
> > 
> > JohnY
> >
> 
> Bingo! 
> 
> All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts their
> religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and call for
> the head of the cartoonist. 
> 
> Very bewildering, and upsetting.
>

Actually from what I have read, at least 3 of the cartoons that where
shopped around the muslim world by the Imam where NOT published in the
Danish newspapers. They were particularly inflamatory meant to unite
the radical elements... 

JohnY






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff  
> wrote:
> >
> > Many cultures have sacred symbols, or sinful acts -- that often 
> seem
> > trivial to other cultures. Creating an image of Mohammad -- in 
> Islam
> > is one of the latter. Seems odd to many christians. Hey its just  
a
> > cartoon. But let the same see a US flag burned, and they are 
ready 
> to
> > nuke the perpetrators. Another culture says, its just a piece of
> > cloth, why the fuss? 
> > 
> > In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the 
> king,
> > even as a joke.. More so in Thailand  as I recall, where you can 
> get
> > into serious trouble by doing so. Hard for Americans to "get" 
> that --
> > they joke about the royal family in UK and elsewhere all the 
time -
> -
> > seeing kings as antiquated throwbacks of tyranny. 
> > 
> > But damn, mess with that flag -- or say something unholy about 
> Jesus
> > -- and your ass is fried.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Not true.
> 
> I thought that burning the flag was constitutionally protected.
> 
> It pisses many people off when it happens but they don't kill you 
> over it.
> 
> As for Jesus, well, I don't know where you've been for the past 30 
> years...Ole' JC is raked over the coals in the USA on a daily basis.
> 
> Piss Christ is not an isolated incident...

"Piss Christ" did not rake ol' JC over the coals,
nor was Chris Ofili's gorgeous "Holy Virgin Mary"
an insult to the Blessed Mother; to the contrary.

Both artists received death threats.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>  
> In a message dated 2/20/06 3:29:04 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Mohamed  cartoons.  Publish or don't publish.  Anyone here have  an
> opinion?  Has MMY expressed an opinion?
> 
> 
> 
> I think it's poor taste to intentionally try to offend people  of 
any 
> religion. I also believe in freedom of the press but the press 
needs to  be more 
> responsible for what it prints and should use better  judgement.
>

You mean like TV networks consciously refusing to show images of 
9/11 anymore?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/20/06 7:33:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
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> Stupid  ragheads!
> 
> Is that what M calls them?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Many cultures have sacred symbols, or sinful acts -- that often 
seem
> trivial to other cultures. Creating an image of Mohammad -- in 
Islam
> is one of the latter. Seems odd to many christians. Hey its just  a
> cartoon. But let the same see a US flag burned, and they are ready 
to
> nuke the perpetrators. Another culture says, its just a piece of
> cloth, why the fuss? 
> 
> In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the 
king,
> even as a joke.. More so in Thailand  as I recall, where you can 
get
> into serious trouble by doing so. Hard for Americans to "get" 
that --
> they joke about the royal family in UK and elsewhere all the time -
-
> seeing kings as antiquated throwbacks of tyranny. 
> 
> But damn, mess with that flag -- or say something unholy about 
Jesus
> -- and your ass is fried.




Not true.

I thought that burning the flag was constitutionally protected.

It pisses many people off when it happens but they don't kill you 
over it.

As for Jesus, well, I don't know where you've been for the past 30 
years...Ole' JC is raked over the coals in the USA on a daily basis.

Piss Christ is not an isolated incident...




> Lots of other examples -- Jewish Holy land,
> Hindu sacred cows and temple sites (adhoya sp?), cutting a sikhs 
hair,
> etc. 
> 
> To be insensitive to another culture and disrespect their sacred
> things -- "because it seems trivial to us" -- is the height --  or
> depth -- of stupidity, crudeness, rudeness, and barbarianism. 





Yes, I agree it is all those things.

BUT the right to be stupid, crude, rude and barbaric should be 
constitutionally protected.




> 
> To say "I think every news channel and newspaper in the world 
should
> publish  the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If 
the
> fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets"
> marks you as the above. 
> 
> But hey, maybe you have a point. Lets go burn some flags, drag some
> crucifixes through urine, deface some Stars of David with 
swastikas, 
>  and burn some crosses on every block across the US.  If those US
> fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets".
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Mohamed cartoons.  Publish or don't publish.  Anyone here have 
an
> > > opinion?  Has MMY expressed an opinion?
> > >
> > 
> > I think every news channel and newspaper in the world should 
publish
> > the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If the 
fanatics
> > have too many targets it will be the same as no targets.
> >
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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In a message dated 2/20/06 7:06:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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All else 
  aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts theirreligion as 
  violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and call forthe head of the 
  cartoonist. Very bewildering, and upsetting. 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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On Feb 20, 2006, at 7:42 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one offers an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the purpetraitor. (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this reward for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's just a cultural/religious difference, right?   JohnY Right!Did you see the 60 Minutes slot on this last night?You also don't hear Jews or Christians running planes into skyscrapers while yelling "Jesus saves!" or "Holy Moses!". Of course we do have abortion clinic bombers and used to have Timothy McVeigh...If you saw the cartoons, some are very apropos social commentary--i.e. the one where these suicide bombers are arriving in heaven and Mohammed says "Sorry, we're all out of virgins!"





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one offers
> an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the purpetraitor.
> (This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this reward
> for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's just a
> cultural/religious difference, right? 
> 
> JohnY
>

Bingo! 

All else aside, have they no sense of irony? A cartoon depicts their
religion as violent, so in protest they bomb embassies and call for
the head of the cartoonist. 

Very bewildering, and upsetting. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Many cultures have sacred symbols, or sinful acts -- that often seem
> trivial to other cultures. Creating an image of Mohammad -- in Islam
> is one of the latter. Seems odd to many christians. Hey its just  a
> cartoon. But let the same see a US flag burned, and they are ready to
> nuke the perpetrators. Another culture says, its just a piece of
> cloth, why the fuss? 
> 
> In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the king,
> even as a joke.. More so in Thailand  as I recall, where you can get
> into serious trouble by doing so. Hard for Americans to "get" that --
> they joke about the royal family in UK and elsewhere all the time --
> seeing kings as antiquated throwbacks of tyranny. 
> 
> But damn, mess with that flag -- or say something unholy about Jesus
> -- and your ass is fried. Lots of other examples -- Jewish Holy land,
> Hindu sacred cows and temple sites (adhoya sp?), cutting a sikhs hair,
> etc. 
> 
> To be insensitive to another culture and disrespect their sacred
> things -- "because it seems trivial to us" -- is the height --  or
> depth -- of stupidity, crudeness, rudeness, and barbarianism. 
> 
> To say "I think every news channel and newspaper in the world should
> publish  the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If the
> fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets"
> marks you as the above. 
> 
> But hey, maybe you have a point. Lets go burn some flags, drag some
> crucifixes through urine, deface some Stars of David with swastikas, 
>  and burn some crosses on every block across the US.  If those US
> fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets".
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Mohamed cartoons.  Publish or don't publish.  Anyone here have an
> > > opinion?  Has MMY expressed an opinion?
> > >
> > 
> > I think every news channel and newspaper in the world should publish
> > the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If the fanatics
> > have too many targets it will be the same as no targets.
> >
>

Flags ARE burned, crucifixes ARE immersed in urine, but no one offers
an 11.5 million dollar reward for the beheading of the purpetraitor.
(This happened today when an Indian gov't minister offered this reward
for the beheading of a danish cartoonist.). But I guess that's just a
cultural/religious difference, right? 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> 
> In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the king,
> even as a joke.. More so in Thailand  as I recall, where you can get
> into serious trouble by doing so. Hard for Americans to "get" that --
> they joke about the royal family in UK and elsewhere all the time --
> seeing kings as antiquated throwbacks of tyranny. 

But then Norwegians and Brittons don't bomb their embassies as a result. 

> 
> But damn, mess with that flag -- or say something unholy about Jesus
> -- and your ass is fried. Lots of other examples -- Jewish Holy land,
> Hindu sacred cows and temple sites (adhoya sp?), cutting a sikhs hair,
> etc. 
> 
> To be insensitive to another culture and disrespect their sacred
> things -- "because it seems trivial to us" -- is the height --  or
> depth -- of stupidity, crudeness, rudeness, and barbarianism. 
> 
> To say "I think every news channel and newspaper in the world should
> publish  the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If the
> fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets"
> marks you as the above. 
> 
> But hey, maybe you have a point. Lets go burn some flags, drag some
> crucifixes through urine, deface some Stars of David with swastikas, 
>  and burn some crosses on every block across the US.  If those US
> fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets".
> 

I didn't say their beliefs were trivial. 

My point was to make the cartoon so ubiquitous they don't have a
target, much in the way the Danish people did when the Nazis required
Jews to wear the Star of David:   the whole population, including the
Kind, wore the Star of David on their clothes. If everyone's doing it,
it might get a little harder to find the target you want to hate. 

There's a difference between disrespect and sacrilege. You can
disrespect another's religion but only commit a sacrilege in your own.
 Those rioting in protest against the cartoon are opposing it as a
great religious travesty, a sacrilege. Which is de facto imposing
their religious standards on non-Muslims. 

"...burn some flags, drag some
> crucifixes through urine, deface some Stars of David with swastikas, 
>  and burn some crosses on every block across the US. "

All those are examples of physical acts, some of which have been
associated with considerable violence. That's a far cry from
publishing a cartoon, which is an editorial comment. 

I agree it is in bad taste and disrespectful, but the violence and
riots upon its publication do nothing to undermine the assumptions
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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Many cultures have sacred symbols, or sinful acts -- that often seem
trivial to other cultures. Creating an image of Mohammad -- in Islam
is one of the latter. Seems odd to many christians. Hey its just  a
cartoon. But let the same see a US flag burned, and they are ready to
nuke the perpetrators. Another culture says, its just a piece of
cloth, why the fuss? 

In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the king,
even as a joke.. More so in Thailand  as I recall, where you can get
into serious trouble by doing so. Hard for Americans to "get" that --
they joke about the royal family in UK and elsewhere all the time --
seeing kings as antiquated throwbacks of tyranny. 

But damn, mess with that flag -- or say something unholy about Jesus
-- and your ass is fried. Lots of other examples -- Jewish Holy land,
Hindu sacred cows and temple sites (adhoya sp?), cutting a sikhs hair,
etc. 

To be insensitive to another culture and disrespect their sacred
things -- "because it seems trivial to us" -- is the height --  or
depth -- of stupidity, crudeness, rudeness, and barbarianism. 

To say "I think every news channel and newspaper in the world should
publish  the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If the
fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets"
marks you as the above. 

But hey, maybe you have a point. Lets go burn some flags, drag some
crucifixes through urine, deface some Stars of David with swastikas, 
 and burn some crosses on every block across the US.  If those US
fanatics have too many targets it will be the same as no targets".




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff"  wrote:
> >
> > Mohamed cartoons.  Publish or don't publish.  Anyone here have an
> > opinion?  Has MMY expressed an opinion?
> >
> 
> I think every news channel and newspaper in the world should publish
> the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If the fanatics
> have too many targets it will be the same as no targets.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff"  wrote:
> >
> > Mohamed cartoons.  Publish or don't publish.  Anyone here have an
> > opinion?  Has MMY expressed an opinion?
> >
> 
> I think every news channel and newspaper in the world should publish
> the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If the fanatics
> have too many targets it will be the same as no targets.
>

"No, I am Spartacus!"





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mohamed cartoons.  Publish or don't publish.  Anyone here have an
> opinion?  Has MMY expressed an opinion?
>

I think every news channel and newspaper in the world should publish
the cartoon, including the ones in Muslim countries. If the fanatics
have too many targets it will be the same as no targets. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff"  wrote:
> >
> > Mohamed cartoons.  Publish or don't publish.  Anyone here have an
> > opinion?  Has MMY expressed an opinion?
> >
> 
> 
> VINCENT: Marvin, what do you make of all this?
> 
> MARVIN: Man, I don't even have an opinion.
> 
> VINCENT: C'mon, Marvin.  You gotta have an opinion.  Do you think God 
> came down from Heaven and stopped the bullets?
>

Chill Jules, this shit happens.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoons

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mohamed cartoons.  Publish or don't publish.  Anyone here have an
> opinion?  Has MMY expressed an opinion?
>


VINCENT: Marvin, what do you make of all this?

MARVIN: Man, I don't even have an opinion.

VINCENT: C'mon, Marvin.  You gotta have an opinion.  Do you think God 
came down from Heaven and stopped the bullets?





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