[FairfieldLife] Re: Clouds over Kalki

2007-08-29 Thread steven klayman
>From the 2 people I know who had taken the leyham
during the 21 day process it was a lot of being sick
and having it come out both ends. One of the fellows
had wonderful experiences and does so still 2 years
later after the leyham wore off. The other fellow has
increasing enjoyment in his life but still has obvious
challenges, but I dont remember him reporting much
flash...But then again flash is not what waking up is
about. 
As for me you can read my post from a few days ago, or
read Arjuna Ardagh's book "Awakening into Oneness". 
Some of my on going experiences I discussed recently
with my guru, Shree Maa and her instruction was to
continue to go inside and not to talk much about it.
Form your own conclusions but base them on your own
experience and not baseless conjecture.


   

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Clouds over Kalki

2007-08-28 Thread boo_lives

> > The accusation, that the monks and nuns would give people on the
> > processes LSD or other drugs are really ridiculous. The more I think
> > about the more absurd it seems. The monks and nuns living and working
> > in Oneness University are really sweat persons, who I have had only
> > good experiences with. I have always felt that they were genuinely
> > interested in the process the participants went through. 

If narcotics were being added to the leyham, the sweet monks and nuns
would know nothing about it - that's a higher up decision and given
the typical authoritarian nature of guru-avatar groups like this, it
would never occur to the sweet monks and nuns to investigate.  Most of
the lieutenants in spiritual groups are sweet and well meaning, but
horrible things have gone on in many of these groups.  I give credit
to the sweet monks and nuns in the Hare Krishna group who were in
disbelief when allegations of child abuse in their schools came out,
but eventually come around to the evidence and are now paying out
millions in settlements.

It seems a pretty risky move by Kalki to add drugs to the leyham.  I
don't completely discount it though, because people in that mov't are
experience junkies and their guru-avatar is a money junkie, and so he
must make sure that the flashy inner experiences keep coming to keep
the cash flow coming.  I'd like to hear more from people who took the
leyham to learn what their experience was (besides pooping more).





[FairfieldLife] Re: Clouds over Kalki

2007-08-28 Thread shukra69
narcotics could be included in a leyham, it just means a paste. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Namaste everybody
> 
> I searched for information about Lehyam. It's not a drug, but a kind
> of ayurvedic medicine:
> 
> "LEHYAM
> Lehyams are thickened and sweetened extracts of a single herb or a
> combination of herbs, animal and mineral products. They can be called
> electuaries, and have the consistency of preserves or jams. A
> Lehya/Lehyam is best if used within a year. It should be preferably
> stored in wide-mouthed glass containers."
> 
> Until spring 2005 The Oneness University campus housed an ayurvedic
> clinic, so maybe what they gave the participants was some kind of
> medicine. I know that people in the earliest processes were given 
> medicine clay to clean their intestines. Maybe thats what people
> misunderstand or deliberately use to throw suspiscion on the Oneness
> Movement.
> 
> The accusation, that the monks and nuns would give people on the
> processes LSD or other drugs are really ridiculous. The more I think
> about the more absurd it seems. The monks and nuns living and working
> in Oneness University are really sweat persons, who I have had only
> good experiences with. I have always felt that they were genuinely
> interested in the process the participants went through. 
> 
> Even though I have left the movement, I feel sorry that some people,
> Freddy N. and others, are spreading rumours like that about the
> Oneness University. I don't think anybody in the Oneness Movement
> deserve that or that their are any truth in the rumours. 
> 
> 
> love
> 
> Carsten 
> 
>_  
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Clouds over Kalki

2007-08-27 Thread steven klayman
I know several people who give the Oneness Blessing
and took leyham. They both told me it was used as a
purgative and they physically purged quite a lot from
their bodies. It was not particularly pleasant but
were glad they did it. On my 21 day process it was not
given. I went to a pharmacy in Chennai but could not
find it or I would have used it too. 
MAny of us liked Freddy and still do but he had a
falling out with the Oneness movement and after trying
wit h him several times he just had to go his own way.
My first deep witnessing experience came after a
weekend seminar wit h him and Madeline. It was quite
fantastic and made me eager for more. I then went to
India. The dasas(servants) are fantastic. It is not
like the TM movements higher ups. These are truly
people there to serve and all have gone thru much
personal growth themselves. It is quite devoid of the
spiritual hierarchy seen in spiritual movements and is
also devoid of the "shoulds". 
Much growth has occurred these past 2 years for me. I
continue my daily meditation twice a day for an hour
each time and find it often deep and moresatisfying
than ever before. Other valuable changes have occurred

for which I am grateful however I am not in need of
someone to direct my life as t o what I should do. I
take advice from the saints much the way I take advice
from a stockbroker or my auto mechanic. I evaluate it
and if it suits my agenda I accept it, if not I dont.
It is for me much theame way I read this chat group.
Most of what is on here is irrelevent and once in a
while a pearl comes thru.


  

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