[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
> The guy admits to being a racist. He admits that his politics come > straight out of the Aryan Nation. So what? What are the rest of > you, the members of this snake pit called FFL? > > Don't bother calling me a racist. I proclaim that I am one. Now what > are you going to do about it? Call me on it? I am proud to proclaim > that I am one. Do you think calling me one discredits anything else I > write in this snake pit? It certainly doesn't shame me to call me > what I freely admit to being. Proudly admit to being. So let me get this straight Tom. In this forum of about 1,000 members of FFL, you are saying "Yes, I hate Jews, I hate Blacks and other minorities. I'm glad for the suffering in New Orleans and it is a shame that the whole place wasn't wiped off the earth with all its inhabitants". That is what you are saying proudly? When you see photos of kids who lost their parents and parents who lost their kids in the flood, you feel what.a little compassion for their pain, or that they got what they deserved? Admittedly I don't know much about yagyas, yajnas, or whatever. But I know they are a form of prayer. I'm just wondering how you have the balls to ask god in whatever form you believe in, to help you, to support your life and what you want to make of it. A word of advice Tom, keep your head down and don't go out when there is a chance of lightning. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
I know you don't care, but I do feel sorry for you. I've lived all over the world, had deep friends and a few lovers from many races. The fact that Mr. X felt a particular way doesn't make it reality, Tom. Whatever wound it is that has caused you to deny so much of humanity is a widely shared wound. It doesn't mean you're right. By the way - the word zeal very accurately describes your feelings on the topic. *Enthusiastic devotion to a cause, ideal, or goal.* Fits you to a T. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Pall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I, and others, have called him on his obvious racism and general > > hatred for anyone not like him. But once you do that once or twice > and > > it's clearly having zero effect, why bother again? Engaging him > only > > seems to encourage his zeal. > > > > My feeling about the races is not a zeal. I believe no different than > presidents Harry Truman and Abraham Lincoln about the races. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bostonbob53" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've lurked here off and on for the past few years and I can't believe > that no one calls out this Tom Pall character for the sh*t he says. > > Have we all forgotten his long diatribe a year or so back on how much > he hates Jews? And now, its the poor (or does he really mean blacks) > in New Orleans and Austin. > > Come on people, where is your sense of moral outrage? The guy is > clearly racist and no one cares. It bugs me that this guy attacks > attacks attacks and no one challenges him. > > Seriously, I think the guy is off his meds. > Or has the right to his political and philosophical opinions. Which opinions were held by presidents Harry Truman and Abraham Lincoln. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I, and others, have called him on his obvious racism and general > hatred for anyone not like him. But once you do that once or twice and > it's clearly having zero effect, why bother again? Engaging him only > seems to encourage his zeal. > My feeling about the races is not a zeal. I believe no different than presidents Harry Truman and Abraham Lincoln about the races. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bostonbob53" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i see your point. Maybe it doesn't matter, but the guy strikes me as > being a bully and you got to call him on this crap. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I, and others, have called him on his obvious racism and general > > hatred for anyone not like him. But once you do that once or > twice and > > it's clearly having zero effect, why bother again? Engaging him > only > > seems to encourage his zeal. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bostonbob53" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I've lurked here off and on for the past few years and I can't > believe > > > that no one calls out this Tom Pall character for the sh*t he > says. > > > > > > Have we all forgotten his long diatribe a year or so back on how > much > > > he hates Jews? And now, its the poor (or does he really mean > blacks) > > > in New Orleans and Austin. > > > > > > Come on people, where is your sense of moral outrage? The guy is > > > clearly racist and no one cares. It bugs me that this guy > attacks > > > attacks attacks and no one challenges him. > > > > > > Seriously, I think the guy is off his meds. > > > > > > bostonbob The guy admits to being a racist. He admits that his politics come straight out of the Aryan Nation. So what? What are the rest of you, the members of this snake pit called FFL? Don't bother calling me a racist. I proclaim that I am one. Now what are you going to do about it? Call me on it? I am proud to proclaim that I am one. Do you think calling me one discredits anything else I write in this snake pit? It certainly doesn't shame me to call me what I freely admit to being. Proudly admit to being. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
Richard J. Williams wrote: >bob wrote: > > >>I've lurked here off and on for the past few years and I can't >>believe that no one calls out this Tom Pall character for the sh*t >>he says. >> >> >> >That's the guy that tried to pick a fight with me one time - then he >threatened to shoot me if we ever went on a hunting trip together. > > > >>Have we all forgotten his long diatribe a year or so back on how >>much he hates Jews? And now, its the poor (or does he really mean >>blacks) in New Orleans and Austin. >> >> >> >Mr. Pall has bashed TMers, Christians, and Jews, and just about >every other minority on the entire planet. Now he's apparently back >here in Austin. > > > >>Come on people, where is your sense of moral outrage? The guy is >>clearly racist and no one cares. It bugs me that this guy attacks >>attacks attacks and no one challenges him. >> >> >> >Yes, I've noted that several of the regular respondents on this >forum don't seem to be able to articulate themselves when confronted >by idiots like Tom, but they've got plenty of time to bash the >President and FEMA in the middle of a rescue operation. Go figure. > > > >>Seriously, I think the guy is off his meds. >> >> >> >He's just a bigot, pure and simple. > > > For some reason I'm getting visions of pots and kettles. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
Richard J. Williams wrote: >TurquoiseB wrote: > > >>Interestingly, the groups in town with the best >>"rep" among the service industry were the Tibetans. >> >> >> >Get a grip, Uncle - there weren't any Tibetans in Sante Fe in the >70's, except for Chogyam Trungpa, who visited that town once for a >weekend meditation seminar. Most of the Tibetan refugees settled in >Washington and Texas, not in New Mexico. Apparently there's not a >single Tibetan in all of Sante Fe these days. Most of Trungpa's >students are Americans. > > > >>No one ever had an unkind word to say about them. >>They walked the walk of their beliefs, >> >> >> >The students of Trungpa in Sante Fe in the 70's were some of the most >rowdy sadhaks I've ever met. They were the talk of the town, if not >the entire U.S. Buddhist community. Most of Trungpa's students that I >knew preferred Jim Beam, just like their guru did! > > > >>and they treated anyone they interacted with as fellow >>walkers. >> >> >> >I'm not Tibetan, but in those days, I tried to be nice to everyone! > > > So what made you decide not to be nice anymore? :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
i see your point. Maybe it doesn't matter, but the guy strikes me as being a bully and you got to call him on this crap. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I, and others, have called him on his obvious racism and general > hatred for anyone not like him. But once you do that once or twice and > it's clearly having zero effect, why bother again? Engaging him only > seems to encourage his zeal. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bostonbob53" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've lurked here off and on for the past few years and I can't believe > > that no one calls out this Tom Pall character for the sh*t he says. > > > > Have we all forgotten his long diatribe a year or so back on how much > > he hates Jews? And now, its the poor (or does he really mean blacks) > > in New Orleans and Austin. > > > > Come on people, where is your sense of moral outrage? The guy is > > clearly racist and no one cares. It bugs me that this guy attacks > > attacks attacks and no one challenges him. > > > > Seriously, I think the guy is off his meds. > > > > bostonbob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
I, and others, have called him on his obvious racism and general hatred for anyone not like him. But once you do that once or twice and it's clearly having zero effect, why bother again? Engaging him only seems to encourage his zeal. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bostonbob53" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've lurked here off and on for the past few years and I can't believe > that no one calls out this Tom Pall character for the sh*t he says. > > Have we all forgotten his long diatribe a year or so back on how much > he hates Jews? And now, its the poor (or does he really mean blacks) > in New Orleans and Austin. > > Come on people, where is your sense of moral outrage? The guy is > clearly racist and no one cares. It bugs me that this guy attacks > attacks attacks and no one challenges him. > > Seriously, I think the guy is off his meds. > > bostonbob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
--- bostonbob53 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've lurked here off and on for the past few years > and I can't believe > that no one calls out this Tom Pall character for > the sh*t he says. > > Have we all forgotten his long diatribe a year or so > back on how much > he hates Jews? And now, its the poor (or does he > really mean blacks) > in New Orleans and Austin. > > Come on people, where is your sense of moral > outrage? The guy is > clearly racist and no one cares. It bugs me that > this guy attacks > attacks attacks and no one challenges him. > > Seriously, I think the guy is off his meds. > > bostonbob Well you obviously are a poor, black jew from New Orleans who practices voodo. How many stores did you loot? Did you get enough liquor to hold you over until your government check comes? I'd shoot you on a hunting trip. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
TurquoiseB wrote: > Interestingly, the groups in town with the best > "rep" among the service industry were the Tibetans. > Get a grip, Uncle - there weren't any Tibetans in Sante Fe in the 70's, except for Chogyam Trungpa, who visited that town once for a weekend meditation seminar. Most of the Tibetan refugees settled in Washington and Texas, not in New Mexico. Apparently there's not a single Tibetan in all of Sante Fe these days. Most of Trungpa's students are Americans. > No one ever had an unkind word to say about them. > They walked the walk of their beliefs, > The students of Trungpa in Sante Fe in the 70's were some of the most rowdy sadhaks I've ever met. They were the talk of the town, if not the entire U.S. Buddhist community. Most of Trungpa's students that I knew preferred Jim Beam, just like their guru did! > and they treated anyone they interacted with as fellow > walkers. > I'm not Tibetan, but in those days, I tried to be nice to everyone! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
--- bostonbob53 wrote: > > I guess this Pall character gets to me. How can > anyone mix supposed spirituality with blatant hate and racism? Some of the exchanges in this forum have made me question whether there is any connection whatsoever between spiritual practice and civil behavior. But then I think of the civil contributors, and figure maybe there's hope. > I suppose it take all sorts, but I don't like having to listen to it. Indeed, you do not have to listen to it. Bob. All contributors are identified. You can know from experience that Patrick Gillam has nothing to contribute, and save the time of reading his remarks. > Maybe everyone just ignores it, but that doesn't seem quite right > either. Tolerance of hate just seems wrong to me. And bully for you to seek out hate and speak out against it. I'm glad you emerged from the Lurk Zone to speak out. That said, flame wars get old, and the history of this forum is that the person who insults everyone one day contributes something valuable the next. - New Hampshire Pat Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
Sorry Unc. I always like what you write because there is a genuineness to it. I guess this Pall character gets to me. How can anyone mix supposed spirituality with blatant hate and racism? I suppose it take all sorts, but I don't like having to listen to it. Maybe everyone just ignores it, but that doesn't seem quite right either. Tolerance of hate just seems wrong to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bostonbob53" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I've lurked here off and on for the past few years and I can't believe > > that no one calls out this Tom Pall character for the sh*t he says. > > I am charmed to be considered "no one." Very Zen. :-) > > > Have we all forgotten his long diatribe a year or so back on how much > > he hates Jews? And now, its the poor (or does he really mean blacks) > > in New Orleans and Austin. > > It's a larger syndrome than merely blacks and Jews. > It's called elitism. Us vs. them. The "chosen > ones." And sadly, much of religion and spiritual > practice is built on its foundation. > > > Come on people, where is your sense of moral outrage? The guy is > > clearly racist and no one cares. It bugs me that this guy attacks > > attacks attacks and no one challenges him. > > > > Seriously, I think the guy is off his meds. > > I think he's *on* his "meds," the meds in question > being reinforcement -- from those he's studied with > and those he pays to pray for him -- that he's cool > and "they" are not. > > I've been fortunate enough to meet and work with a > few spiritual teachers who don't fall into the > elitism mold. It's refreshing. As one of them > said, "You can tell more about a spiritual teacher > by how he treats his waiter at a restaurant or the > guy who pumps his gas than by anything he says." > I tend to agree. > > Santa Fe, New Mexico was a melting pot of various > religions and New Age fringe groups. I found that > my best feedback on how valuable their beliefs and > practices were at cultivating humanity and caring > for other people came from my friends, who tended > (Santa Fe not exactly being a job Mecca) to work > in the service industry, as waiters and waitresses > and bartenders. In such a position, you really > get a close up look at people and how they treat > other people. > > For example, there was a large Sikh community > near Santa Fe. They wore white and acted holy. > But ask *any* Santa Fe waitress what they're > really like and she'll tell you. They don't tip, > they treat those who serve them their food and > drink like shit, and they nickle and dime them > to death (that is, rather than ten people at the > table ordering at the same time, they'll all take > their time and force the poor waitress to come > back to the table ten times). > > Same "take" on many of the New Age groups. I saw > a funny scene regarding one of them one day. I > was sitting at the bar at El Farol one day and I > noticed the waitresses "drawing straws" for some- > thing. I asked what they were doing. They said > that they'd gotten a call, and a rather famous > New Age teacher had made a reservation for dinner. > So I said, "Oh, so you're drawing straws to see > who gets to wait on her?" One of the waitresses > said, "No, we're drawing straws to see who *has* > to wait on her." (A few months later, I saw the > same scene acted out for one of the local celeb- > rities, an actor who lived there and had an > equally bad "rep," Val Kilmer.) > > Interestingly, the groups in town with the best > "rep" among the service industry were the Tibetans. > No one ever had an unkind word to say about them. > They walked the walk of their beliefs, and they > treated anyone they interacted with as fellow > walkers. > > Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
bob wrote: > I've lurked here off and on for the past few years and I can't > believe that no one calls out this Tom Pall character for the sh*t > he says. > That's the guy that tried to pick a fight with me one time - then he threatened to shoot me if we ever went on a hunting trip together. > Have we all forgotten his long diatribe a year or so back on how > much he hates Jews? And now, its the poor (or does he really mean > blacks) in New Orleans and Austin. > Mr. Pall has bashed TMers, Christians, and Jews, and just about every other minority on the entire planet. Now he's apparently back here in Austin. > Come on people, where is your sense of moral outrage? The guy is > clearly racist and no one cares. It bugs me that this guy attacks > attacks attacks and no one challenges him. > Yes, I've noted that several of the regular respondents on this forum don't seem to be able to articulate themselves when confronted by idiots like Tom, but they've got plenty of time to bash the President and FEMA in the middle of a rescue operation. Go figure. > Seriously, I think the guy is off his meds. > He's just a bigot, pure and simple. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bostonbob53" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I've lurked here off and on for the past few years and I can't > believe > > that no one calls out this Tom Pall character for the sh*t he says. > > > > Have we all forgotten his long diatribe a year or so back on how much > > he hates Jews? And now, its the poor (or does he really mean blacks) > > in New Orleans and Austin. > > > > Come on people, where is your sense of moral outrage? The guy is > > clearly racist and no one cares. It bugs me that this guy attacks > > attacks attacks and no one challenges him. > > > > Seriously, I think the guy is off his meds. > > > > bostonbob > > Hey Bob, > > I understand your perspective. But do we really need another battle > here. Don't we have enough of these. I think Tom gets called on his > sh*t. But another full court press? I'm kinda glad to have Tom back > posting. He makes no effort to hide his biases, and you have to give > him credit for that. I'm no great analyst, but you got to admit, Tom > makes for an interesting psychological study. > > lurk I see your point but he is so offensive and I think it goes well beyond political correctness. They guy strikes me as seriously unhinged. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bostonbob53" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've lurked here off and on for the past few years and I can't believe > that no one calls out this Tom Pall character for the sh*t he says. > > Have we all forgotten his long diatribe a year or so back on how much > he hates Jews? And now, its the poor (or does he really mean blacks) > in New Orleans and Austin. > > Come on people, where is your sense of moral outrage? The guy is > clearly racist and no one cares. It bugs me that this guy attacks > attacks attacks and no one challenges him. > > Seriously, I think the guy is off his meds. > > bostonbob Hey Bob, I understand your perspective. But do we really need another battle here. Don't we have enough of these. I think Tom gets called on his sh*t. But another full court press? I'm kinda glad to have Tom back posting. He makes no effort to hide his biases, and you have to give him credit for that. I'm no great analyst, but you got to admit, Tom makes for an interesting psychological study. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bostonbob53" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've lurked here off and on for the past few years and I can't believe > that no one calls out this Tom Pall character for the sh*t he says. I am charmed to be considered "no one." Very Zen. :-) > Have we all forgotten his long diatribe a year or so back on how much > he hates Jews? And now, its the poor (or does he really mean blacks) > in New Orleans and Austin. It's a larger syndrome than merely blacks and Jews. It's called elitism. Us vs. them. The "chosen ones." And sadly, much of religion and spiritual practice is built on its foundation. > Come on people, where is your sense of moral outrage? The guy is > clearly racist and no one cares. It bugs me that this guy attacks > attacks attacks and no one challenges him. > > Seriously, I think the guy is off his meds. I think he's *on* his "meds," the meds in question being reinforcement -- from those he's studied with and those he pays to pray for him -- that he's cool and "they" are not. I've been fortunate enough to meet and work with a few spiritual teachers who don't fall into the elitism mold. It's refreshing. As one of them said, "You can tell more about a spiritual teacher by how he treats his waiter at a restaurant or the guy who pumps his gas than by anything he says." I tend to agree. Santa Fe, New Mexico was a melting pot of various religions and New Age fringe groups. I found that my best feedback on how valuable their beliefs and practices were at cultivating humanity and caring for other people came from my friends, who tended (Santa Fe not exactly being a job Mecca) to work in the service industry, as waiters and waitresses and bartenders. In such a position, you really get a close up look at people and how they treat other people. For example, there was a large Sikh community near Santa Fe. They wore white and acted holy. But ask *any* Santa Fe waitress what they're really like and she'll tell you. They don't tip, they treat those who serve them their food and drink like shit, and they nickle and dime them to death (that is, rather than ten people at the table ordering at the same time, they'll all take their time and force the poor waitress to come back to the table ten times). Same "take" on many of the New Age groups. I saw a funny scene regarding one of them one day. I was sitting at the bar at El Farol one day and I noticed the waitresses "drawing straws" for some- thing. I asked what they were doing. They said that they'd gotten a call, and a rather famous New Age teacher had made a reservation for dinner. So I said, "Oh, so you're drawing straws to see who gets to wait on her?" One of the waitresses said, "No, we're drawing straws to see who *has* to wait on her." (A few months later, I saw the same scene acted out for one of the local celeb- rities, an actor who lived there and had an equally bad "rep," Val Kilmer.) Interestingly, the groups in town with the best "rep" among the service industry were the Tibetans. No one ever had an unkind word to say about them. They walked the walk of their beliefs, and they treated anyone they interacted with as fellow walkers. Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bostonbob53" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've lurked here off and on for the past few years and I can't believe > that no one calls out this Tom Pall character for the sh*t he says. > > Have we all forgotten his long diatribe a year or so back on how much > he hates Jews? And now, its the poor (or does he really mean blacks) > in New Orleans and Austin. > > Come on people, where is your sense of moral outrage? The guy is > clearly racist and no one cares. It bugs me that this guy attacks > attacks attacks and no one challenges him. > > Seriously, I think the guy is off his meds. > And... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Pall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ben Collins stated a while ago, in response to my questioning why he > paid the pundits so much of my (~~$40,000) and others' money to the > pundits, that he felt consciousness of the pundits was very > important in yagyas, implying that money buys consciousness. And > that paying the priests as much as the Prime Minister of India > makes per hour guarantees high level of consciousness. > > This is not meant to attack Ben, but let the chips fall where they > may. I felt perpetual very gruesome unstressing during Puja.net's > group, individual and stolen (my name was added to someone else's > yagya without the sponsor's knowledge) yagyas. > > This is the 2nd day of my Yagna by Choice group Ganesh yagna. > I have been feeling bliss. That's it. Bliss. Cool. Good for you. You have also spent part of your blissful day making one of the most elitist and non-compassionate posts I've ever read, about the "invaders" of Austin. $40,000? Seems to me you could have achieved your current state of attention just by buying a $3.95 paperback from the Ku Klux Klan or a similar white supremicist group and memorizing it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
I've lurked here off and on for the past few years and I can't believe that no one calls out this Tom Pall character for the sh*t he says. Have we all forgotten his long diatribe a year or so back on how much he hates Jews? And now, its the poor (or does he really mean blacks) in New Orleans and Austin. Come on people, where is your sense of moral outrage? The guy is clearly racist and no one cares. It bugs me that this guy attacks attacks attacks and no one challenges him. Seriously, I think the guy is off his meds. bostonbob Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Consciousness of pundits matters
Well, I suppose I have to respond to the things that Tom says in some way. I've been organizing yagyas for about 10 years now and have used the best resources available to me; primarily priests in Kanchipuram who were trained in the Shankara tradition. They've done really well for the group over the years. They are well trained and honest people. My goal was to honor their skill and traditions by providing them with well paid employment to use their skills and knowledge for our benefit. Actually the one thing that I heard consistently from priests in India was that Maharishi paid them very well. It really seemed to make a difference in the enthusiasm that they displayed in their work. I took my cue from that. We paid our priests, on average $40 a day for 5-7 hours of work. Certainly well paid from an India point of view and I think that is as it should be. Priests are very interesting individuals when you get to know them. They use the same mantras that we do in TM, but use them differently. From my experience they are in a different sort of state because their life is focused on devotion and the perfection of the puja and yagya rituals. They certainly experience transcendence. So we shouldn't be too quick to judge them and their practices. They are simply different. Tom very generously participated in a "maha sponsor" program along with several others who were instrumental in establishing our facility in Kanchipuram. In return the priests added their names to the sponsor list (sankalpam) of every yagya that took place in the facility. This is consistent with the traditions of temples and priests; honoring those who make it possible for the yagya to take place. They were grateful to Tom and the others for their support. That's not stealing. I taught a lot of people in my TM days and I find that yagyas are much like that experience; works really well for most and about the worst that happens is that sometimes people feel nothing. If Tom feels better results from his new yagya source, then bless him. I'm all for success wherever it comes from, but that success doesn't invalidate the efforts of other individuals like myself or any other yagya organizers. I'd rather not pass judgement on Tom in a public place and I'll trust that the readers of FFL will come to their own conclusions. There's lots of information on puja.net and I'm always happy to respond to emails. Ben Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
