[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.com http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Preview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still are. I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.com Preview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still are. I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions.Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have
[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.com http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Preview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. [Revisionist history]. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this,[You'll need a better plotline, but I expect this version sells better to your devoted readers] these people were devoted to the teaching and still are.[Maharishi's Teaching included his instruction on how to Teach TM. When people start their own way, that becomes Their Own Way, not TM as Taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.] I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here![...to find out what gossip sounds like] #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. It was the rationalisations that got me baffled. They'd all sit around wondering why Marshy did it and come up with scenario's like He's trying to get rid of the deadwood in the movement so we can be better when it re-starts or Marshy sees natural laws at a deeper level than we can guess at so he must be right whatever he does. Bend over and take it in other words, and don't forget to say thankyou for sharing more profound knowledge with us. I know TM teachers who admit that half of their career has been trying to work out why Marshy did things. Occam's razor never occurred to them, everything had to somehow be filtered through the belief that he was always right. Kind of a lopsided way of looking at the world! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.com http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Preview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still are. I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history [pt Mike, it's Revisionist History as Retold by Sal to his devoted listeners] to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect [Mike, try to stay with real-world facts. Makes life more sensible and not irrational] and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. [Is this your testimony as a 'loyal initiator'? Or maybe something else?...I think...]When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left[Is that what you did, as a loyal initiator or as a baker?]. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. [Yes Michael, you ARE THE BEST JUDGE OF WHETHER OTHERS ARE LIVING IN TOTAL DENIAL OF FACTS AND LIVING THE BLISS OF ILLUSION.] From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.com http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Preview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still are. I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. It was the rationalisations that got me baffled. They'd all sit around wondering why Marshy did it and come up with scenario's like He's trying to get rid of the deadwood in the movement so we can be better when it re-starts or Marshy sees natural laws at a deeper level than we can guess at so he must be right whatever he does. Bend over and take it in other words, and don't forget to say thankyou for sharing more profound knowledge with us. I know TM teachers who admit that half of their career has been trying to work out why Marshy did things. Occam's razor never occurred to them, everything had to somehow be filtered through the belief that he was always right. Kind of a lopsided way of looking at the world! Incredible ability to read minds there Sal. Didn't you promise to wake up a bit more before posting again? You'll never be Awake. Wake up! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.com http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Preview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still are. I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story
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I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't raise enough taxes to pay for it without the massive bonus they've been getting from the English tax payer, and without the pound they will be in trouble as the Eurozone looks pretty much finished as usual and are unlikely to want another broke country to bail out. If I lived there I would probably vote Yes though, just to not be ruled by from 700 miles away by the shower of bastards we've got at the moment. This profound wisdom and practical move will of course be followed by Ireland and Wales after they declare independence from the Isle of Edward Longshanks and of course David Lynch will be prevented from ever coming to any of the three new countries. If he sneaks in he will be arrested and incarcerated. Any and all TM owned properties will be nationalized, sold and the the proceeds given to citizens who paid various amounts of money to learn TM, TMSP, go on courses and so on. When this happens and the word goes out, let's see how many of the TM faithful will remain faithful and how many want to put in a claim and get that fat purse. All written with the knowledge of how much Buck and his frens on FFL will love the post. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright
[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? Sorry but I wasn't there to record the brainwaves of the people who were asking my friend about brainwashing in the TMO. It wouldn't have made much difference though because matters of opinion are unlikely to have a radically different EEG signature unless there is high emotions at stake. So I chose an amusing coda to the anecdote instead. I thought it was amusing anyway, but you can't please everyone ;-) I'm scratching my head here. (-; I'll expand on it, just for you. My friend still does the TMSP but has sympathy for the renegade teachers as had known them for years before them leaving the TMO. But being asked about brainwashing in the TMO surprised him as he thinks the opposite and wondered what they had been told to think it in the first place. My little joke is that had he read the output here most days he might wonder at the sanity of long term meditators a bit more and maybe question the effects of exposure to the TM belief system. There you go, you can stop scratching your head now... #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't raise enough taxes to pay for it without the massive bonus they've been getting from the English tax payer, and without the pound they will be in trouble as the Eurozone looks pretty much finished as usual and are unlikely to want another broke country to bail out. If I lived there I would probably vote Yes though, just to not be ruled by from 700 miles
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Sal, you know well this is silly. Maharishi dropped England because of the authrocities they did in the Empire, India included. Haven't you heard the story of Guru Dev meeting the english tiger-hunter in the Indian jungle ? Do google it. Maharishi was most generous and tried to uplift every nation but having lived with the stories of India being occupied by hooligans from that so-called Kingdom, somewhere along the line He just had enough of you lot. Regarding the future, you can be lucky to have seers like Benjamin Creme blessing your country, and Maitrya Himself is supposed to live in London, at least for some time, so it's not all bleak. But do watch out for the effect and karma of raping other nations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't raise enough taxes to pay for it without the massive bonus they've been getting from the English tax payer, and without the pound they will be in trouble as the Eurozone looks pretty much finished as usual and are unlikely to want another broke country to bail out. If I lived there I would probably vote Yes though, just to not be ruled by from 700 miles away by the shower of bastards we've got at the moment. This profound wisdom and practical move will of course be followed by Ireland and Wales after they declare independence from the Isle of Edward Longshanks and of course David Lynch will be prevented from ever coming
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There you go, you can stop scratching your head now... Okay, thank you. #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't raise enough taxes to pay for it without the massive bonus they've been getting from the English tax payer, and without the pound they will be in trouble as the Eurozone looks pretty much finished as usual and are unlikely to want another broke country to bail out. If I lived there I would probably vote Yes though, just to not be ruled by from 700 miles away by the shower of bastards we've got at the moment. This profound wisdom and practical move will of course be followed by Ireland and Wales after they declare independence from the Isle of Edward Longshanks and of course David Lynch will be prevented from ever coming to any of the three new countries. If he sneaks in he will be arrested and incarcerated. Any and all TM owned properties will be nationalized, sold and the the proceeds given to citizens who paid various amounts of money to learn TM, TMSP, go on courses and so on. When this happens and the word goes out, let's see how many of the TM faithful will remain faithful and how many want to put in a claim and get that fat purse. All written with the knowledge of how much Buck and his frens on FFL will love the post. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright Sal, we all know that in a few days the Scots will vote on whether or not to form their own country. Now forget all the nonsense about whether the country will prosper by itself. The real question is: if the Scots create an independent country, will they no longer be
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal, you know well this is silly. Maharishi dropped England because of the authrocities they did in the Empire, India included. Haven't you heard the story of Guru Dev meeting the english tiger-hunter in the Indian jungle ? Do google it. I tried and drew a blank. Can you do it? Maharishi was most generous and tried to uplift every nation but having lived with the stories of India being occupied by hooligans from that so-called Kingdom, somewhere along the line He just had enough of you lot. Regarding the future, you can be lucky to have seers like Benjamin Creme blessing your country, and Maitrya Himself is supposed to live in London, at least for some time, so it's not all bleak. But do watch out for the effect and karma of raping other nations. We certainly feel lucky to have Benjamin Creme as a replacement for Marshy and if Maitreya ever actually shows his face we'll be happier still ;-) Thanks for underlining my point about rationalising by the way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't raise enough taxes to pay for it without the massive bonus they've been getting from the English tax payer, and without the pound they will be in trouble as the Eurozone looks pretty much finished as usual and are unlikely to want another broke country to bail out. If I lived there I would
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any idiot who labels Sal's post as revisionist history is living in denialof the facts. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history [pt Mike, it's Revisionist History as Retold by Sal to his devoted listeners] to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect [Mike, try to stay with real-world facts. Makes life more sensible and not irrational] and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. [Is this your testimony as a 'loyal initiator'? Or maybe something else?...I think...]When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left[Is that what you did, as a loyal initiator or as a baker?]. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. [Yes Michael, you ARE THE BEST JUDGE OF WHETHER OTHERS ARE LIVING IN TOTAL DENIAL OF FACTS AND LIVING THE BLISS OF ILLUSION.] From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.comPreview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still are. I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions.Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs
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You, a German talking about raping other nations? You are beyond help. Marshy did exactly what Sal says he did with the Scorpion bullshit. His excuse was Tony Blair's support of America's war in Iraq - why the hell didn't he excommunicate America? You are pitiful. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK Sal, you know well this is silly. Maharishi dropped England because of the authrocities they did in the Empire, India included. Haven't you heard the story of Guru Dev meeting the english tiger-hunter in the Indian jungle ? Do google it. Maharishi was most generous and tried to uplift every nation but having lived with the stories of India being occupied by hooligans from that so-called Kingdom, somewhere along the line He just had enough of you lot. Regarding the future, you can be lucky to have seers like Benjamin Creme blessing your country, and Maitrya Himself is supposed to live in London, at least for some time, so it's not all bleak. But do watch out for the effect and karma of raping other nations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions.Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't raise enough taxes to pay for it without the massive bonus they've been getting from the English tax payer, and without the pound they will be in trouble as the Eurozone looks pretty much finished
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Nabby doesn't rationalize - he fantasizes and dreams of an Aryan Vedic society where everyone goosesteps to the yagya/jyotish/TM is Supreme tune. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal, you know well this is silly. Maharishi dropped England because of the authrocities they did in the Empire, India included. Haven't you heard the story of Guru Dev meeting the english tiger-hunter in the Indian jungle ? Do google it. I tried and drew a blank. Can you do it? Maharishi was most generous and tried to uplift every nation but having lived with the stories of India being occupied by hooligans from that so-called Kingdom, somewhere along the line He just had enough of you lot. Regarding the future, you can be lucky to have seers like Benjamin Creme blessing your country, and Maitrya Himself is supposed to live in London, at least for some time, so it's not all bleak. But do watch out for the effect and karma of raping other nations. We certainly feel lucky to have Benjamin Creme as a replacement for Marshy and if Maitreya ever actually shows his face we'll be happier still ;-) Thanks for underlining my point about rationalising by the way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions.Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal, you know well this is silly. Maharishi dropped England because of the authrocities they did in the Empire, India included. Haven't you heard the story of Guru Dev meeting the english tiger-hunter in the Indian jungle ? Do google it. Maharishi was most generous and tried to uplift every nation but having lived with the stories of India being occupied by hooligans from that so-called Kingdom, somewhere along the line He just had enough of you lot. Regarding the future, you can be lucky to have seers like Benjamin Creme blessing your country, and Maitrya Himself is supposed to live in London, at least for some time, so it's not all bleak. But do watch out for the effect and karma of raping other nations. --- Just as Sal knows the true story of England and TM, Rick Archer likes to twist real-life facts to fit his personal (but so obvious) agenda. When Rick posted the Topic: 'Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth' by Maharishihe chose to excerpt a very controversial section. He heated things up with his introductory remarks: In a 2001 publication called 'Ideal India, the Lighthouse of Peace on Earth', Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote the following... Now Rick knows as well as I that this publication was not written in Maharishi's words. He know that Purusha often creates publications for the knowledge to be offered. He knows that The Appendices contain incredible wisdom. Yet he throws this to the bewildered to get them hungry. I know his agenda. Even if he doesn't completely understand it himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : any idiot who labels Sal's post as revisionist history is living in denialof the facts. Keep treating Sal's posts as facts. Then you can be in Dave's spot some day. He's trying to find his way out, as you try to find your way in. You have seen your future and it doesn't work. Try something different. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history [pt Mike, it's Revisionist History as Retold by Sal to his devoted listeners] to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect [Mike, try to stay with real-world facts. Makes life more sensible and not irrational] and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. [Is this your testimony as a 'loyal initiator'? Or maybe something else?...I think...]When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left[Is that what you did, as a loyal initiator or as a baker?]. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. [Yes Michael, you ARE THE BEST JUDGE OF WHETHER OTHERS ARE LIVING IN TOTAL DENIAL OF FACTS AND LIVING THE BLISS OF ILLUSION.] From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK Europe View on www.meditationtrust.com http://www.meditationtrust.com/ Preview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the siddhis. The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The renegade teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to create the coherence to save the world. They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still are. I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I
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You're a funny fellow Sal, Benjamin Creme as a replacement for Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ? Me thinks you have some serious reading to update your knowledge to do seeming+ somewhat out of it. And while your're at it do check your spelling. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal, you know well this is silly. Maharishi dropped England because of the authrocities they did in the Empire, India included. Haven't you heard the story of Guru Dev meeting the english tiger-hunter in the Indian jungle ? Do google it. I tried and drew a blank. Can you do it? Maharishi was most generous and tried to uplift every nation but having lived with the stories of India being occupied by hooligans from that so-called Kingdom, somewhere along the line He just had enough of you lot. Regarding the future, you can be lucky to have seers like Benjamin Creme blessing your country, and Maitrya Himself is supposed to live in London, at least for some time, so it's not all bleak. But do watch out for the effect and karma of raping other nations. We certainly feel lucky to have Benjamin Creme as a replacement for Marshy and if Maitreya ever actually shows his face we'll be happier still ;-) Thanks for underlining my point about rationalising by the way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there
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Another thing to remember for anyone living in that so-called United-Kingdom: According to Benjamin Creme, Brahmananda Saraswati is secong only to Maitreya, the oldest soul now in incarnation on this planet with a point of evolution of 7,0. Guru Dev achieved 6,0. I may remind you that Masterhood is achieved at 4,0. The question then arises; what will be the collective consequences for a nation who with intent, as part of their very upbringing and arrogant culture insults not only a Master of Masters, in this case Guru Dev, but the whole Vedic Culture of India ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You're a funny fellow Sal, Benjamin Creme as a replacement for Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ? Me thinks you have some serious reading to update your knowledge to do seeming+ somewhat out of it. And while your're at it do check your spelling. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal, you know well this is silly. Maharishi dropped England because of the authrocities they did in the Empire, India included. Haven't you heard the story of Guru Dev meeting the english tiger-hunter in the Indian jungle ? Do google it. I tried and drew a blank. Can you do it? Maharishi was most generous and tried to uplift every nation but having lived with the stories of India being occupied by hooligans from that so-called Kingdom, somewhere along the line He just had enough of you lot. Regarding the future, you can be lucky to have seers like Benjamin Creme blessing your country, and Maitrya Himself is supposed to live in London, at least for some time, so it's not all bleak. But do watch out for the effect and karma of raping other nations. We certainly feel lucky to have Benjamin Creme as a replacement for Marshy and if Maitreya ever actually shows his face we'll be happier still ;-) Thanks for underlining my point about rationalising by the way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement because they do that don't they. He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! and this is the evidence sited by someone who prides himself on the scientific method? I'm scratching my head here. (-; #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history [pt Mike, it's Revisionist History as Retold by Sal to his devoted listeners] to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect [Mike, try to stay with real-world facts. Makes life more sensible and not irrational] and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. [Is this your testimony as a 'loyal initiator'? Or maybe something else?...I think...]When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left[Is that what you did, as a loyal initiator or as a baker?]. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. [Yes Michael, you ARE THE BEST JUDGE OF WHETHER OTHERS ARE LIVING IN TOTAL DENIAL OF FACTS AND LIVING THE BLISS OF ILLUSION.]
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history [pt Mike, it's Revisionist History as Retold by Sal to his devoted listeners] to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect [Mike, try to stay with real-world facts. Makes life more sensible and not irrational] and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. [Is this your testimony as a 'loyal initiator'? Or maybe something else?...I think...]When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left[Is that what you did, as a loyal initiator or as a baker?]. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. [Yes Michael, you ARE THE BEST JUDGE OF WHETHER OTHERS ARE LIVING IN TOTAL DENIAL OF FACTS AND LIVING THE BLISS OF ILLUSION.] Dear Ann, I got Share's present wrapped. How can I get your to you?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history [pt Mike, it's Revisionist History as Retold by Sal to his devoted listeners] to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect [Mike, try to stay with real-world facts. Makes life more sensible and not irrational] and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. [Is this your testimony as a 'loyal initiator'? Or maybe something else?...I think...]When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left[Is that what you did, as a loyal initiator or as a baker?]. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. [Yes Michael, you ARE THE BEST JUDGE OF WHETHER OTHERS ARE LIVING IN TOTAL DENIAL OF FACTS AND LIVING THE BLISS OF ILLUSION.] Dear Ann, I got Share's present wrapped. How can I get your to you? Telepathically, of course.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history [pt Mike, it's Revisionist History as Retold by Sal to his devoted listeners] to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect [Mike, try to stay with real-world facts. Makes life more sensible and not irrational] and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. [Is this your testimony as a 'loyal initiator'? Or maybe something else?...I think...]When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left[Is that what you did, as a loyal initiator or as a baker?]. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. [Yes Michael, you ARE THE BEST JUDGE OF WHETHER OTHERS ARE LIVING IN TOTAL DENIAL OF FACTS AND LIVING THE BLISS OF ILLUSION.] Dear Ann, I got Share's present wrapped. How can I get your to you? Telepathically, of course. Dear Ann, I get it. Lots of women prefer to keep modest in public situations. That's a woman's prerogative. But let me tell you that Share has already been given two of her gifts and the third is in the post. Maybe you have a father who gives you jewelry? That'd be my best guess. Not so secret admirer anymore, but I can't have everything now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK
Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual correct one that nature might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the natural laws of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding Yes! and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote No because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't raise enough taxes to pay for it without the massive bonus they've been getting from the English tax payer, and without the pound they will be in trouble as the Eurozone looks pretty much finished as usual and are unlikely to want another broke country to bail out. If I lived there I would probably vote Yes though, just to not be ruled by from 700 miles away by the shower of bastards we've got at the moment. This profound wisdom and practical move will of course be followed by Ireland and Wales after they declare independence from the Isle of Edward Longshanks and of course David Lynch will be prevented from ever coming to any of the three new countries. If he sneaks in he will be arrested and incarcerated. Any and all TM owned properties will be nationalized, sold and the the proceeds given to citizens who paid various amounts of money to learn TM, TMSP, go on courses and so on. When this happens and the word goes out, let's see how many of the TM faithful will remain faithful and how many want to put in a claim and get that fat purse. All written with the knowledge of how much Buck and his frens on FFL will love the post. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Alright Sal, we all know that in a few days the Scots will vote on whether or not to form their own country. Now forget all the nonsense about whether the country will prosper by itself. The
