[FairfieldLife] Re: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
Great excerpt! A little long, but fascinating- especially so because the author is careful not to fall into a simplistic discussion of 'good' vs. 'evil', but rather the necessary tension between the world's vital forces. Thanks for posting this! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Excerpt from David Frawley's _Awaken Bharata_. As with any excerpt or > review, if you like it, buy the book and if you like the book, tell your > friends. > > > > Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism > interesting post... the two general modes of consciousness, material vs spiritual, is an ancient topic. there is a story in Upanishads of the first time the devas and asuras approached Prajapati for knowledge of the Self. The asuras failed the test, and mistook self for Self, whereas the devas inquired further and came to know the true Self. see the upanishad at -- http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe01/sbe01168.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > Devic and Asuric Forms > of Mysticism > > By David Frawley > DEVIC AND ASURIC MYSTICISM > > [Devic mysticism] is based upon yogic principles of > truthfulness, non-violence and tolerance and emphasizes > yogic practices of self-control, asceticism and > meditation. It is an internal mysticism that has no > external need to convert the world to a belief. Devic > mysticism promotes Devic qualities of love, peace, > selflessness and compassion. > > The second could be called "Asuric mysticism," after > Asura for demon, titan or anti-god, subtle beings of > great pride, ambition and cunning. Asuric mysticism > exists for promoting power or domination and projects > a subtle but powerful ego. It is mixed with non-yogic > values and practices like intolerance, aggression, and > violence. Asuric mysticism works through Asuric > qualities of anger, hatred, pride and vengeance. > Though it may employ internal practices it always has > an external aim to convert, conquer or control the > external world. And which type of mystic would we think Vaj is?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > .Won't be enough. No genuine Sidhis. Not even any genuine people. :-) But I must admit, Shukra's use of the word "genius" in the same sentence with "Maharishi" made me LOL. Not to mention his description of the TM Rajas as "enlightened administrators," which made me recall the video of the Raja so clueless he was trying to convince Germans to embrace "invincibility." :-) Some people's fantasy lives are more fantasy-based than others. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" wrote: > > > > It is very good that Vaj is posting this essay which > > will help him to understand Maharishi's genius in > > establishing in establishing a global network of > > spirititual Kshatriyas - Rajas - enlightened > > administrators to awaken Devi Shakti and increase > > Sattwa in India and every corner of the earth, > > reversing the progress of Kali Yuga and blessing > > the whole of humanity with Rama Raja.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > THE DUALITY BETWEEN THE DEVAS AND ASURAS > > > > > > Yet the duality between the Devas and Asuras is not absolute and should > > > not be confused with any simplistic good and evil. The Asuras represent > > > elemental energies and vital passions, the forces of rajas (rajoguna), > > > which have their place in the cosmic order. However, these powers of > > > action must be subordinated to the higher laws of the Devas (the forces > > > of mind and spirit) and sattva guna (peace and clarity) for them to > > > function properly. A Divine or sattvic type of action or rajas must > > > become dominant, absorbing the active force into a higher aspiration, > > > making the Asuras serve the Gods. > > > > > > The Asuras therefore cannot be destroyed but only controlled. To them > > > belongs the underworld, the realm of elemental and vital forces, and the > > > Gods strive to hold them there to do their work. The Asuras, however, in > > > their pride strive to invade the Earth through the underworld and to gain > > > control of humanity. Because of their restless energy the Asuras can > > > never rest content in their native domain but must ever strive upward > > > until the Gods cast them back down again. > > > > > > The Asuras generally come to power when the Gods become weak. The Gods, > > > being dominated by sattva guna, or peace and happiness, are inclined to > > > become self-content or complacent. They can lose their energy or passion > > > and get caught in the image of their own virtue. The Gods also can become > > > too otherworldly in their views and shirk the irresponsibility to the > > > creation, which affords a vacuum that the Asuras come in to fill. When > > > the Gods hold to knowledge (vidya) alone and give up action (karma), this > > > allows the Asuras to enter into the world. > > > > > > The Asuras are present in the cosmic order to keep both the Devas and > > > humans vigilant and active in their higher evolution. Otherwise they may > > > become content to stay at a particular level and cease to grow. For this > > > reason various Gods and sages have at times protected the Asuras from > > > being totally destroyed by the Gods, or even incited the Asuras to become > > > more active. > > > > > > Asuric religions similarly have great passion, but this passion is > > > misplaced or misguided. It is a power of the emotional ego, tinged with > > > exclusivism and intolerance. The Gods can only overcome the Asuras if > > > they create a stronger energy or passion but of a divine or non-egoistic > > > nature, which requires considerable effort or tapas. Only a Divine > > > passion or sattvic rajas can overcome the undivine or tamasic rajas of > > > the Asuras. The aggression of Asuric religions and the hypnotic appeal of > > > Asuric mysticism can only be countered by a greater zeal by the Gods and > > > Devic religions. > > > > > > The problem is that the Devic religions in humanity, mainly Hinduism and > > > Buddhism, have become passive and resigned, lacking in passion and human > > > interest. This makes the emotional human being vulnerable to Asuric > > > influences. Devic religions in their otherworldliness fail to counter > > > conversion efforts by Asuric groups and do not work hard enough to > > > attract people into their ranks. Hence at this stage in humanity Asuric > > > religious influences prevail, not only because of their inherent > > > aggression but because of the present passivity of Devic Dharmas. It is > > > important for Devic groups to look back to the older Vedic teaching that > > > contains an integral Dharma of both knowledge and work (vidya and karma) > > > through which the Divine force can remain supreme both in the outer and > > > inner worlds. > > > > > > Therefore, Devic forces should not simply label Asuric forces as > > > negative. Nor should they passively blame the Asuras for the problems in > > > the world as if they were no more than victims (hardly a Devic attitude > > > we should note). Only when the Deva Shakti is weak can the Asura Shakti > > > come forth. The Devas must arouse themselves to counter the influence of > > > the Asuras. This requires not only that they become more active but that > > > they seek a higher inspiration and zeal. They must unite with the Divine > > > Lord and Protector, Vishnu, and seek a new avatara, or descent of Divine > > > grace to lead them into the inevitable battle. > > > > > > An army of the Gods must be raised to counter the army of the Asuras. A > > > new Indra (king of the Gods) must manifest to lead the Gods to a new > > > victory over the Asuras. A Divine devotion and selfless force must emerge > > > to counter the human devotion and blind faith of the Asuric nature. This > > > is the real challenge to Dharmic traditions that they must now take up or > > > perhaps perish. The Asuras in their pas
[FairfieldLife] Re: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > It is said that children who were around the Maharishi-- > children often retain higher chakras that are open to > subtle vision--would see him in his true nature, as a demon. > > The first enlightened TMer, Robin Carlsen, believed many > TMers were possessed by various classes of negative energy. > > Coincidence? MMYDS.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Nov 23, 2009, at 5:42 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > Wonderful post, thanks for posting this. > > > > Regarding Dr. Frawley's concerns I can assure him that this is being taking > > care of by the Holy Tradition. > > > > David is no fool, he knows very well that the "war" in putting the Asuras > > back where they well belong has been going on for centuries and that many > > on this list have given their life energy in this battle on behalf of > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the chief Kashtrahya in this battle in modern times. > > > > He is right also; Durga Herself will have do the final battle. We can only > > say > > > > Jai Guru Dev > > > > And do the regular Programme > > > I'm glad you found it helpful. > > MMY was an asuriac guru. Asuriac gurus like MMY will always be intolerant of > other forms of mysticism. Thus the lists of people "blacklisted" from TM and > TM "sidhi" courses over the years, and the detailed questionnaires still > required of cult members. Asuriac "yogis" will lead to "non-yogic samadhis" > according to Frawley and will encourage their students to acquire mundane > siddhis. These types of samadhi, according to to Frawley, will lead to > "delusionary states of altered consciousness" but not higher consciousness, > as they claim. Followers of Asuriac gurus acquire a "perverted idealism or > self-righteousness" and this can be used to "incite the masses". It was not hard to find indications of how spectacular the intellectual dishonesty indicated in the above attempt to put false words in the mouth of David Frawley. http://www.vedanet.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28 "The American Institute of Vedic Studies aims at researching the original Vedic Yoga. In this regard it follows the teachings of Ganapati Muni, the chief disciple of the great South Indian sage Ramana Maharshi, and Ganapati's disciple, Daivarata Vaishvamitra, whom Maharishi Mahesh Yogi once brought to the West and called a great modern Rishi. This Yoga is also connected with the work of the great modern seer-poet Sri Aurobindo, who based his integral Yoga on a Vedic model, and Kapali Shastri, an important disciple not only of Aurobindo but of Ganapati Muni. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Nov 22, 2009, at 11:49 AM, shukra69 wrote: > > > It is very good that Vaj is posting this essay which will help him to > > understand Maharishi's genius in establishing in establishing a global > > network of spirititual Kshatriyas - Rajas - enlightened administrators to > > awaken Devi Shakti and increase Sattwa in India and every corner of the > > earth, reversing the progress of Kali Yuga and blessing the whole of > > humanity with Rama Raja. > > > It is said that children who were around the Maharishi--children often retain > higher chakras that are open to subtle vision--would see him in his true > nature, as a demon. > > The first enlightened TMer, Robin Carlsen, believed many TMers were possessed > by various classes of negative energy. > > Coincidence? No coincidence that this post of "Vaj"s well represents the level of his arguments/consciousness. "There is no heavier burden to carry than a grudge" -seen on the sign board of a local Shul.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Nov 23, 2009, at 5:42 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > Wonderful post, thanks for posting this. > > > > Regarding Dr. Frawley's concerns I can assure him that this is being taking > > care of by the Holy Tradition. > > > > David is no fool, he knows very well that the "war" in putting the Asuras > > back where they well belong has been going on for centuries and that many > > on this list have given their life energy in this battle on behalf of > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the chief Kashtrahya in this battle in modern times. > > > > He is right also; Durga Herself will have do the final battle. We can only > > say > > > > Jai Guru Dev > > > > And do the regular Programme > > > I'm glad you found it helpful. > > MMY was an asuriac guru. Asuriac gurus like MMY will always be intolerant of > other forms of mysticism. Thus the lists of people "blacklisted" from TM and > TM "sidhi" courses over the years, and the detailed questionnaires still > required of cult members. Asuriac "yogis" will lead to "non-yogic samadhis" > according to Frawley and will encourage their students to acquire mundane > siddhis. These types of samadhi, according to to Frawley, will lead to > "delusionary states of altered consciousness" but not higher consciousness, > as they claim. Followers of Asuriac gurus acquire a "perverted idealism or > self-righteousness" and this can be used to "incite the masses". > You should also question your motives for attacking MMY this way. Is your position that of an asura or a deva? Think about it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
Gladly Jim! If I can find the chapter after this, I'll post that as well... On 9/7/05 9:00 PM, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Great excerpt! A little long, but fascinating- especially so because > the author is careful not to fall into a simplistic discussion > of 'good' vs. 'evil', but rather the necessary tension between the > world's vital forces. Thanks for posting this! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
On Nov 23, 2009, at 5:42 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: > Wonderful post, thanks for posting this. > > Regarding Dr. Frawley's concerns I can assure him that this is being taking > care of by the Holy Tradition. > > David is no fool, he knows very well that the "war" in putting the Asuras > back where they well belong has been going on for centuries and that many on > this list have given their life energy in this battle on behalf of Maharishi > Mahesh Yogi, the chief Kashtrahya in this battle in modern times. > > He is right also; Durga Herself will have do the final battle. We can only say > > Jai Guru Dev > > And do the regular Programme I'm glad you found it helpful. MMY was an asuriac guru. Asuriac gurus like MMY will always be intolerant of other forms of mysticism. Thus the lists of people "blacklisted" from TM and TM "sidhi" courses over the years, and the detailed questionnaires still required of cult members. Asuriac "yogis" will lead to "non-yogic samadhis" according to Frawley and will encourage their students to acquire mundane siddhis. These types of samadhi, according to to Frawley, will lead to "delusionary states of altered consciousness" but not higher consciousness, as they claim. Followers of Asuriac gurus acquire a "perverted idealism or self-righteousness" and this can be used to "incite the masses".
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Devic and Asuric Forms of Mysticism
On Nov 22, 2009, at 11:49 AM, shukra69 wrote: > It is very good that Vaj is posting this essay which will help him to > understand Maharishi's genius in establishing in establishing a global > network of spirititual Kshatriyas - Rajas - enlightened administrators to > awaken Devi Shakti and increase Sattwa in India and every corner of the > earth, reversing the progress of Kali Yuga and blessing the whole of humanity > with Rama Raja. It is said that children who were around the Maharishi--children often retain higher chakras that are open to subtle vision--would see him in his true nature, as a demon. The first enlightened TMer, Robin Carlsen, believed many TMers were possessed by various classes of negative energy. Coincidence?
