[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't Look Here...Look Over There!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: snip Obama got more last year because it was clear he was going to win (except to pumas who thought he was an inadequate black male). Stepping in for Dave Barry who is not here to assume his role as Mister Language Person and correct faulty English, may I point out that to a PUMA the word black in that last sentence above is redundant and unnecessary. And wrong, and profoundly offensive. But so is male, of course. Does Barry really think PUMAs were all chauvinist women? Does he really think they were all women, for that matter? Does he think all who supported Hillary were PUMAs? Does either Boo or Barry have *any* idea of what the PUMAs were all about? Apparently not. But both seem to want to refight old battles. How sad.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't Look Here...Look Over There!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: snip [The the banks and AIG who are benefiting from bail out money, are the same folks who got us into an economic mess, and helped Obama get elected. The bail out money is just payback.] Did the economists who keep insisting that the bailouts are essential to keep the financial system from collapsing all get contributions from AIG and the banks too? Are they all on the payroll?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't Look Here...Look Over There!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: snip [The the banks and AIG who are benefiting from bail out money, are the same folks who got us into an economic mess, and helped Obama get elected. The bail out money is just payback.] Did the economists who keep insisting that the bailouts are essential to keep the financial system from collapsing all get contributions from AIG and the banks too? Are they all on the payroll? Yes but many are upset about some of the details here. Why are billions flowing thru AIG to Goldman which is a perfectly healthy bank. And the billions flowing thru to euro banks - why not some help from euro taxpapers there? There should at least be haircuts taken on these carrythroughs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't Look Here...Look Over There!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: snip [The the banks and AIG who are benefiting from bail out money, are the same folks who got us into an economic mess, and helped Obama get elected. The bail out money is just payback.] Did the economists who keep insisting that the bailouts are essential to keep the financial system from collapsing all get contributions from AIG and the banks too? Are they all on the payroll? Yes but (I hope you mean, No, but...) many are upset about some of the details here. Why are billions flowing thru AIG to Goldman which is a perfectly healthy bank. And the billions flowing thru to euro banks - why not some help from euro taxpapers there? There should at least be haircuts taken on these carrythroughs. Agreed, we need a whole lot more transparency and coherent, detailed explanation of what's going on. What Democrats seem to have a very hard time figuring out is that if they allow an information vacuum to exist, Republicans will step right up to fill it in with their own twisted interpretation, and folks will latch onto that because they lack the necessary information to recognize how twisted it is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't Look Here...Look Over There!
To me the problem is that all the politicians know that if everything is to be opened up to the public about all that had to happen to make the AIG mess possible, then that will whet the public's appetite for full disclosures in many other venues. This is where I think Obama's integrity is being eroded -- he's trying to keep a lid on things such that the public isn't given a set of tools with which to unravel not just business crimes but also government secret doings. For instance: if a law is passed that says that all the electronic and paper-trails of government are to be databased by an independent agency, then that same law will apply to many other situations -- for instance, the Dick Cheney death squads information could be easily resolved if all the emails etc. were obtainable. Well, name me a politician who wants that hanging over their head? Ask the Pentagon, the CIA, the FBI, et al about such a law. Yet, it is absolutely commonplace now that the corporations of American have the right to know about all the electronic activities of their employees -- the employees have no privacy protection in that regard. Well, we're the employers of government workers, and they should know that we can look at their emails and phone records and IMs etc. My fingers-crossed hope is that Obama has integrity but he also sees that if the whole truth were to be revealed then the entire structure of our culture would be shaken violently. AIG executives are already fearful of actually being hauled out of their homes by angry mobs and strung up -- even politicians are saying some precision vigilantism would be a good thing in a half-hearted, just-kidding way. How close are we to mass riots? Not far if Pandora's Box is opened and out pours the truth about ALL the smoke filled rooms. Obama can't force the truth to come out when he knows that his own Democrats are as filthy in many ways as any AIG manager. He's got a Lincolnesque situation -- he has to save the nation even if it means keeping the slaves still in economic thrall to the Masters of Fraud on Wall Street. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: snip [The the banks and AIG who are benefiting from bail out money, are the same folks who got us into an economic mess, and helped Obama get elected. The bail out money is just payback.] Did the economists who keep insisting that the bailouts are essential to keep the financial system from collapsing all get contributions from AIG and the banks too? Are they all on the payroll? Yes but (I hope you mean, No, but...) many are upset about some of the details here. Why are billions flowing thru AIG to Goldman which is a perfectly healthy bank. And the billions flowing thru to euro banks - why not some help from euro taxpapers there? There should at least be haircuts taken on these carrythroughs. Agreed, we need a whole lot more transparency and coherent, detailed explanation of what's going on. What Democrats seem to have a very hard time figuring out is that if they allow an information vacuum to exist, Republicans will step right up to fill it in with their own twisted interpretation, and folks will latch onto that because they lack the necessary information to recognize how twisted it is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't Look Here...Look Over There!
I guess you get your foreign policy facts from joe the plumber over at pajamasmedia too. Sorry, the $100 billion you talk about is from the original TARP money paid out by Bush Admin with the terms set by Sec. Paulsen formerly of Goldman who made a sweetheart deal for the banks. The pay off to counterparties in full via AIG is a huge mistake but it has nothing to do with obama as that was done prior to his coming in. Geithner recently approved another $30 billion yet to be transferred and hopefully stricter terms come into play (though I don't like geithner either). I wish republicans could understand that things don't happen when they get promoted on right wing talk radio, they happen when they actually happened in time and usually have something called a cause that made them happen even earlier in time. As far as campaign contributions, raunchy's source states more fully: Overall, the securities and investment industry has contributed about $10 million to Obama and $7 million to McCain. To all federal candidates for president and Congress, and to political parties, the industry has contributed more than $101 million in the 2008 election cycle, 56 percent of it to Democrats. The Democrats' edge is a relatively recent development, however; Republicans had the advantage for most of the last 10 years. Republicans had the edge because they promoted the deregulatory agenda that caused this mess. Obama got more last year because it was clear he was going to win (except to pumas who thought he was an inadequate black male). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: ...while the ire of Congress and the media focus are on the $165 million that AIG paid out in bonuses to their executives, the president is hoping you won't notice the $100 billion in taxpayer bailout dollars that AIG paid out to other banks, including $58 billion to foreign banks and $36 billion given to French and German banks alone... [The the banks and AIG who are benefiting from bail out money, are the same folks who got us into an economic mess, and helped Obama get elected. The bail out money is just paybac;k.] The following recipients of President Obama's trickle-down-to-my-donors bailout plan rank among his top 20 contributors to his 2008 presidential election campaign, according to Open Secrets: Goldman Sachs: $955,473 Citigroup: $653,468 JP Morgan Chase Co.: $646,058 Morgan Stanley: $485,823 Three other banks that were significant contributors to Obama received money through AIG: Bank of America: $274,493 Wachovia: $214,151 AIG: $112,170 Lehman Brothers, which did not survive long enough to join the list of banks leaching off the work of the American taxpayer, also gave the Obama campaign $276,088. Read more: http://tinyurl.com/cfbocx http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/contributions-to-obama-campaign-track-bailout-money/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't Look Here...Look Over There!
raunchydog wrote: Don't Look Here...Look Over There! If the 90% retroactive tax rate on bonuses passes, Obama has to veto it. Otherwise he's a hypocrite. Read more: 'Obama Must Veto The 90% Bonus Tax Rate' By Joe Weisenthal Business Insider, March 19, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/calfgg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't Look Here...Look Over There!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: As far as campaign contributions, raunchy's source states more fully: Overall, the securities and investment industry has contributed about $10 million to Obama and $7 million to McCain. To all federal candidates for president and Congress, and to political parties, the industry has contributed more than $101 million in the 2008 election cycle, 56 percent of it to Democrats. The Democrats' edge is a relatively recent development, however; Republicans had the advantage for most of the last 10 years. Republicans had the edge because they promoted the deregulatory agenda that caused this mess. Obama got more last year because it was clear he was going to win (except to pumas who thought he was an inadequate black male). Stepping in for Dave Barry who is not here to assume his role as Mister Language Person and correct faulty English, may I point out that to a PUMA the word black in that last sentence above is redundant and unnecessary. Merely stating that Obama is male is sufficient to show his inadequacy. Questions to Mister Language Person ( Dave Barry ): Q. When should I say phenomena, and when should I say phenomenon? A. Phenomena is what grammarians refer to as a subcutaneous invective, which is a word used to describe skin disorders, as in Bob has a weird phenomena on his neck shaped like Ted Koppel. Whereas phenomenon is used to describe a backup singer in the 1957 musical group Duane Furlong and the Phenomenons. Q. What was their big hit? A. You Are the Carburetor of My Heart. Questions to Mister Language Person ( Dave Barry ): TODAY'S BUSINESS WRITING TIP: In writing proposals to prospective clients, be sure to clearly state the benefits they will receive: WRONG: I sincerely believe that it is to your advantage to accept this proposal. RIGHT: I have photographs of you naked with a squirrel. Questions to Mister Language Person ( Dave Barry ): Q. OK, sorry. Anyway, I have just returned from a trip to England, and I noticed that the English put an extra u in certain words, such as rumour, humour and The Roulling Stounes. Also they call some things by totally different names, such as lift when they mean elevator, bonnet when they mean lorry and twit when they mean former Vice President Quayle. My question is, don't they have any dentists over there? A. Apparently nout. Questions to Mister Language Person ( Dave Barry ): Q. Please explain the correct usage of the word neither. A. Grammatically, neither is used to begin sentences with compound subjects that are closely related and wear at least a size 24, as in: Neither Esther nor Bernice have passed up many Ding Dongs, if you catch my drift. It may also be used at the end of a carnivorous injunction, as in: And don't touch them weasels, neither. Questions to Mister Language Person ( Dave Barry ): Q. My husband and I recently received a note containing this sentence: Give us the money, or you seen the last of you're child. I say that the correct wording should be you have done seen the last of you're child, but my husband, Warren, insists it should be you have been done seeing the last of you're child. This has become a real bone of contention, to the point where Warren refuses to come out of the utility shed. What do you think? A. We think that an excellent name for a band would be: The Bones of Contention.
