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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu Sep 20 21:14:33 PDT 2007, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Duveyoung wrote: The Jews had it figured. If yer mommy's not a Jew, you're not a Jew. There's no female Jewish mitochondria, you idiot! Richard, we're refraining from personal insults. Put in context. If you were at a party, consider how insulting it would be to call someone call someone an idiot to his face. Therefore, please don't do it here. How about rumourmonging ? Or is spreading rumours and accusing others ok for moderators ?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to have matrilineal and patriarchal concurrent within a society, though matrilineal precedes patriarchal in judaism as well as other cultures. yea, well try saying red leather, yellow leather five times real quick lurk
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duveyoung wrote: I was tipping my hat to the fact that despite not knowing about mitochondria, the Jews came up with a system that recognizes the mother's role in owning offspring. It's cool that they intuited it, and came up with a rule about it. Great, but there's still no Jewish mitochondria. Judaism is a social religion, not a separate race of humans. That was my point. It isn't a race, but it is a tribe. It's social in the sense that it can incorporate new members, but the genetic component is very important; the descendants of converts are considered genetically Jewish. Plus which, matrilineal descendants of Jews never *stop* being Jewish, halakhically speaking, even if they convert to another religion. On the other hand, The womb can't lie (or It's a wise child that knows its own father) is more than sufficient explanation for the matrilineal descent system; there's no reason to suspect intuition, however inchoate, of mitochondria was involved. It's really just simple observation. If you want to be absolutely certain og the genetic inheritance, you have to go by motherhood.
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2007-09-22
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
I can't think of a reasonable way of comprehending what you're saying, whether literally, intellectually, emotionally, morally or logically. Please clarify. On 9/22/07, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to have matrilineal and patriarchal concurrent within a society, though matrilineal precedes patriarchal in judaism as well as other cultures. yea, well try saying red leather, yellow leather five times real quick lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra Helping you Say It With Panache! Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity I want every person to be complete in themselves. Your himsa has no place in my mission. Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't think of a reasonable way of comprehending what you're saying, whether literally, intellectually, emotionally, morally or logically. Please clarify. You forgot funnily (I was just thinking about how much you like words, and then I glanced up at your handle.) BTW, were you talking to me, or the other stuff below. Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra Helping you Say It With Panache! Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity I want every person to be complete in themselves. Your himsa has no place in my mission. Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't think of a reasonable way of comprehending what you're saying, whether literally, intellectually, emotionally, morally or logically. Please clarify. What SIMCTYT-R-IANB said. I thought it was just me, and that I was missing out on some in-joke or in-knowledge that everyone else was down with. :-) On 9/22/07, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? DharmaMitra1@ wrote: to have matrilineal and patriarchal concurrent within a society, though matrilineal precedes patriarchal in judaism as well as other cultures. yea, well try saying red leather, yellow leather five times real quick lurk
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't think of a reasonable way of comprehending what you're saying, whether literally, intellectually, emotionally, morally or logically. Please clarify. What SIMCTYT-R-IANB said. I thought it was just me, and that I was missing out on some in-joke or in-knowledge that everyone else was down with. :-) On 9/22/07, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? DharmaMitra1@ wrote: to have matrilineal and patriarchal concurrent within a society, though matrilineal precedes patriarchal in judaism as well as other cultures. yea, well try saying red leather, yellow leather five times real quick lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: FLAME ALERT FLAME ALERT
Duveyoung wrote: The Jews had it figured. If yer mommy's not a Jew, you're not a Jew. There's no female Jewish mitochondria, you idiot! Rick wrote: Richard, we're refraining from personal insults. Put in context. If you were at a party, consider how insulting it would be to call someone call someone an idiot to his face. Therefore, please don't do it here. I'd be highly insulted if I was of the Jewish faith and I was told that because my father was a Jew and my mother wasn't, that I wasn't Jewish! Is that context enough, Rick? Question: Would someone be an idiot if they made the claim that there was such a thing as a Jewish mitochrondira? Or, would they be called ignorant racist instead?
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The Jews consider the child's mother to be proof of being a Jew. A man can say, That's my kid and I'm a Jew, so the kid is a Jew, but that doesn't carry the religious validity as my mom is Jewish. The man could be lying, but a womb can't lie. I study Kabbalah, my very best friends are Jewish, my grandmother was Jewish, and I think they have some spiritual insights that can match anything in Hinduism or mystical Christianity or Sufi or whatever. The Sefirot of the Kabbalah is quite a deep, inspirational documentation of divinity. I was tipping my hat to the fact that despite not knowing about mitochondria, the Jews came up with a system that recognizes the mother's role in owning offspring. It's cool that they intuited it, and came up with a rule about it. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duveyoung wrote: The Jews had it figured. If yer mommy's not a Jew, you're not a Jew. There's no female Jewish mitochondria, you idiot! Rick wrote: Richard, we're refraining from personal insults. Put in context. If you were at a party, consider how insulting it would be to call someone call someone an idiot to his face. Therefore, please don't do it here. I'd be highly insulted if I was of the Jewish faith and I was told that because my father was a Jew and my mother wasn't, that I wasn't Jewish! Is that context enough, Rick? Question: Would someone be an idiot if they made the claim that there was such a thing as a Jewish mitochrondira? Or, would they be called ignorant racist instead?
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Duveyoung wrote: I was tipping my hat to the fact that despite not knowing about mitochondria, the Jews came up with a system that recognizes the mother's role in owning offspring. It's cool that they intuited it, and came up with a rule about it. Great, but there's still no Jewish mitochondria. Judaism is a social religion, not a separate race of humans. That was my point.
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Actually you would be wrong about that. In fact, just the other day, on Jon Stewart's Daily Show, a DNA expert analyzed Jon's DNA and told him where he came from to such a degree that he said, Yes, Jon, you belong in this group on this chart right here, and, yep, they were and so are you -- JEWISH. The word race is getting fuzzier and fuzzier. Who is a pure anything these days? When they finally have a machine at the corner mall that takes a cheek swab from you, analyzes it, and then tells you what's what, WOW will there be some skeletons in closets found. Let's see what yours says, Honey . . . oh my GAWD...you're 10% Jew, 17% Arab, 14% African, and 59% chalky caucashish. The wedding is off! You have to be pure! Like that. So, in fact, there is such a thing as Jewish mitochondria. Thanks Richard for making me get a bit clearer about this -- I never actually had the concept Jewish mitochondria when I wrote the satirical piece, but now, thanks to you, I see that I can use such a phrase and be scientifically valid. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duveyoung wrote: I was tipping my hat to the fact that despite not knowing about mitochondria, the Jews came up with a system that recognizes the mother's role in owning offspring. It's cool that they intuited it, and came up with a rule about it. Great, but there's still no Jewish mitochondria. Judaism is a social religion, not a separate race of humans. That was my point.
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Jewish mitochondrial DNA I'd love to be there for that Bris! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 21, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Duveyoung wrote: So, in fact, there is such a thing as Jewish mitochondria. No, actually it would be Jewish mitochondrial DNA. It's not the mitochondria that are inherited, but the mitochondrial DNA (as opposed to Nucleic DNA).
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On Sep 21, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Duveyoung wrote: The Jews consider the child's mother to be proof of being a Jew. A man can say, That's my kid and I'm a Jew, so the kid is a Jew, but that doesn't carry the religious validity as my mom is Jewish. The man could be lying, but a womb can't lie. Jews from a Jewish father are not technically considered Jews by Halakha in Orthodox Judaism, but in some other branches as long as one is Jewish, the off-spring are considered Jewish. I study Kabbalah, my very best friends are Jewish, my grandmother was Jewish, and I think they have some spiritual insights that can match anything in Hinduism or mystical Christianity or Sufi or whatever. The Sefirot of the Kabbalah is quite a deep, inspirational documentation of divinity. The study of Kabbalah by non-Jews is IMHO one of the greatest remedies against anti-Semitism. In a very real sense, Christianity is incomplete and almost sterile without it. I've studied Kabbalah since I was a teenager. A world class goy Kabbalah fan: HH the 14th Dalai Lama. If you want a real interesting read on this check out The Jew in the Lotus, written by an orthodox Jew. I bet if we got together we could talk into the wee hours on this.
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On Sep 21, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Duveyoung wrote: So, in fact, there is such a thing as Jewish mitochondria. No, actually it would be Jewish mitochondrial DNA. It's not the mitochondria that are inherited, but the mitochondrial DNA (as opposed to Nucleic DNA).
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The mitochondria reproduce by cell division. This process is not regulated by the DNA of the nucleus -- the mitochondrial DNA determines this. When the big cell reproduces, a whole mitochondria floats over to the newborn cell before it entirely splits away from the first half. The mitochondria do their dividing and reproducing with their own mind so to speak -- although, if a cell needs a lot more energy, the mitochondria sense this and make more copies of themselves so that the cell has more ATP. There's communication of a sort between the two beings -- mito-DNA and nuc-DNA. So, I think you're wrong or I've got to reread about this. The male sperm cells also have mitochondria to get the ATP to make their tails wiggle, but that mitochondria (from the male's mother) is located around the tail and that drops off and doesn't enter the egg of the female. The female's egg thus has only mitochondria from her mother. I'm tellin' ya, the female's got all their secret plans locked up inside that mitochondria and that the cell as a whole must be paying a big price to keep her satisfied in order to get her ATP. Funny, eh? Men turn out to be, microbiologically speaking, whores. Talk about having a feminine side! Phi! How about having an alien inside every cell of your body! Just for the money! I love this conversation, because, the good truth about this is that we belong together, work together, fit together, and gender is superficial. Who cares if males or females have the work of carrying the gonads or being the thermostat of metabolism or whatever? No matter which side of our biologies are the regulators of whatever process, humankind moves forward. I lurves me mitos! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 21, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Duveyoung wrote: So, in fact, there is such a thing as Jewish mitochondria. No, actually it would be Jewish mitochondrial DNA. It's not the mitochondria that are inherited, but the mitochondrial DNA (as opposed to Nucleic DNA).
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On Sep 21, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Duveyoung wrote: The mitochondria reproduce by cell division. This process is not regulated by the DNA of the nucleus -- the mitochondrial DNA determines this. When the big cell reproduces, a whole mitochondria floats over to the newborn cell before it entirely splits away from the first half. The mitochondria do their dividing and reproducing with their own mind so to speak -- although, if a cell needs a lot more energy, the mitochondria sense this and make more copies of themselves so that the cell has more ATP. There's communication of a sort between the two beings -- mito-DNA and nuc-DNA. So, I think you're wrong or I've got to reread about this. The male sperm cells also have mitochondria to get the ATP to make their tails wiggle, but that mitochondria (from the male's mother) is located around the tail and that drops off and doesn't enter the egg of the female. The female's egg thus has only mitochondria from her mother. I'm tellin' ya, the female's got all their secret plans locked up inside that mitochondria and that the cell as a whole must be paying a big price to keep her satisfied in order to get her ATP. Funny, eh? Men turn out to be, microbiologically speaking, whores. Talk about having a feminine side! Phi! How about having an alien inside every cell of your body! Just for the money! I love this conversation, because, the good truth about this is that we belong together, work together, fit together, and gender is superficial. Who cares if males or females have the work of carrying the gonads or being the thermostat of metabolism or whatever? No matter which side of our biologies are the regulators of whatever process, humankind moves forward. [(This may or may not be delayed) a number of my posts neither make it to post or post WAY late for some reason.] It was my understanding that mitochondrial replication was nucleically mediated...but it's been a long time since I formally studied genetics or anthropology. I do have colleagues I could ask if experts are needed. My wife feels that the alien within is the (male) Y-chromosome. It's the males who do all the killing after all. Yogic theory posits that the primary mechanism is actually pranic and this accounts for gays, intersexuals, etc.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jewish mitochondrial DNA I'd love to be there for that Bris! You know how you circumcise a whale, don't you? Send down a team of four skin divers. lurk
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A world class goy Kabbalah fan: HH the 14th Dalai Lama. If you want a real interesting read on this check out The Jew in the Lotus, written by an orthodox Jew. You mean a BuJew. BTW, my sister is an orthodox Jew living in Jerusalem teaching Kaballah. lurk
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great, but there's still no Jewish mitochondria. Judaism is a social religion, not a separate race of humans. That was my point. Au contraire, mon ami. According to no less a personage than Harold Waldwin Percival, he claims that the Jewish Deity stamps the Jewish embryo with certain physical charactoristics including a distinctive schnozz. lurk
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On Sep 21, 2007, at 8:35 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A world class goy Kabbalah fan: HH the 14th Dalai Lama. If you want a real interesting read on this check out The Jew in the Lotus, written by an orthodox Jew. You mean a BuJew. I heard it BuJu. BTW, my sister is an orthodox Jew living in Jerusalem teaching Kaballah I'm surprised to hear that could be done within the orthodoxy. Are you sure it's not pop Kabbalah? Her names not Madonna by chance ;-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard it BuJu. Lurk: BTW, my sister is an orthodox Jew living in Jerusalem teaching Kaballah Vaj: I'm surprised to hear that could be done within the orthodoxy. Are you sure it's not pop Kabbalah? Her names not Madonna by chance ;-) She definitely pushes the envelope. First of all, she teaches only other females. Second, she has always been a renegrade, but what she teaches evidently falls within the guidelines. Google a small voice, and you should find her. lurk
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2007-09-21
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
The original reason for the mother lineage in judaism has to do with the families having been matrilineal. By the way, it is possible, and has been a large part of human history, to have matrilineal and patriarchal concurrent within a society, though matrilineal precedes patriarchal in judaism as well as other cultures. On 9/21/07, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Jews consider the child's mother to be proof of being a Jew. A man can say, That's my kid and I'm a Jew, so the kid is a Jew, but that doesn't carry the religious validity as my mom is Jewish. The man could be lying, but a womb can't lie. I study Kabbalah, my very best friends are Jewish, my grandmother was Jewish, and I think they have some spiritual insights that can match anything in Hinduism or mystical Christianity or Sufi or whatever. The Sefirot of the Kabbalah is quite a deep, inspirational documentation of divinity. I was tipping my hat to the fact that despite not knowing about mitochondria, the Jews came up with a system that recognizes the mother's role in owning offspring. It's cool that they intuited it, and came up with a rule about it. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duveyoung wrote: The Jews had it figured. If yer mommy's not a Jew, you're not a Jew. There's no female Jewish mitochondria, you idiot! Rick wrote: Richard, we're refraining from personal insults. Put in context. If you were at a party, consider how insulting it would be to call someone call someone an idiot to his face. Therefore, please don't do it here. I'd be highly insulted if I was of the Jewish faith and I was told that because my father was a Jew and my mother wasn't, that I wasn't Jewish! Is that context enough, Rick? Question: Would someone be an idiot if they made the claim that there was such a thing as a Jewish mitochrondira? Or, would they be called ignorant racist instead? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra Helping you Say It With Panache! Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.comhttp://prout-ananlysis-synthesis.latest-info.com/ Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity I want every person to be complete in themselves. Your himsa has no place in my mission. Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society.
