Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For UFO lobbyist, truth is out there
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: (BTW, so nobody worries about me, I'll be away for the next few days, back Friday.) Ah, the olde I wasn't really obsessively using up almost all of my posts for the week in two days...I was just...uh...planning ahead for my 'vacation'... yeah...that's the ticket routine. I was starting to miss it. :-) Not to mention that just as she believes herself not only to be an authority on TM she knows believes herself to be an authority on the BP oil spill. We can take that with as much credibility as her expertise on TM. :-D That's crap. Just because I know more than you do about the oil spill doesn't make me an expert. That's nowhere near a high enough baseline. Nor do I consider myself an authority on TM. It's more the way you come off. You attack the messenger whether it's me, raunchy, Barry, etc rather than the message. Might be better just to say I don't agree with that and here is why rather that than scolding us for posting what we post. As for the oil spill I also listen and read experts who might disagree with your appraisal. IOW, I think the jury is still out on it. We can hope their latest effort works.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For UFO lobbyist, truth is out there
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Not to mention that just as she believes herself not only to be an authority on TM she knows believes herself to be an authority on the BP oil spill. We can take that with as much credibility as her expertise on TM. :-D That's crap. Just because I know more than you do about the oil spill doesn't make me an expert. That's nowhere near a high enough baseline. Nor do I consider myself an authority on TM. It's more the way you come off. You attack the messenger whether it's me, raunchy, Barry, etc rather than the message. Totally untrue. Totally. I've never attacked raunchy. I've attacked Barry, but only when he's attacked me or others unfairly, and NEVER without also showing his message was false. And if you go back and look, you'll see I didn't attack you in our exchange about dispersants *until you had attacked me by claiming I was a shill for BP*--after I had explained why *your* message was incorrect. Get real, dude. Dig yourself. As for the oil spill I also listen and read experts who might disagree with your appraisal. There are a lot of folks out there posing as experts who don't know what the hell they're talking about. Like I said, go register at TheOilDrum.com and repeat what some of your experts say. IOW, I think the jury is still out on it. The jury isn't out on any of the notions I corrected.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For UFO lobbyist, truth is out there
I'm as frustrated as anyone with the horrific mess in the Gulf, failed attempts to stop the leak, the inept cleanup efforts, and the greedy SOBs at BP. I haven't dug as deeply into the facts of the BP spill as Judy has, consequently, I've posted a few erroneous links founded on the notion that BP and our government are in cahoots. Whenever I post anything that yells CAHOOTS! just know that somehow it makes me feel better. It's times like these that Judy calls me out on the facts and directs me to http://www.theoildrum.com/ Correcting a factual error is not an attack, it's a favor. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Not to mention that just as she believes herself not only to be an authority on TM she knows believes herself to be an authority on the BP oil spill. We can take that with as much credibility as her expertise on TM. :-D That's crap. Just because I know more than you do about the oil spill doesn't make me an expert. That's nowhere near a high enough baseline. Nor do I consider myself an authority on TM. It's more the way you come off. You attack the messenger whether it's me, raunchy, Barry, etc rather than the message. Totally untrue. Totally. I've never attacked raunchy. I've attacked Barry, but only when he's attacked me or others unfairly, and NEVER without also showing his message was false. I'm as frustrated as anyone with the horrific mess in the Gulf, failed attempts to stop the leak, the inept cleanup efforts, and the greedy SOBs at BP. I haven't dug as deeply into the facts of the BP spill as Judy has, consequently, I've posted a few erroneous links founded on the notion that BP and our government are in cahoots. Whenever I post anything that yells CAHOOTS! just know that somehow it makes me feel better. It's times like these that Judy calls me out on the facts, talks me down from the cliff and directs me to http://www.theoildrum.com/ It's a great place for accurate information. Correcting a factual error is not an attack, it's a favor. And if you go back and look, you'll see I didn't attack you in our exchange about dispersants *until you had attacked me by claiming I was a shill for BP*--after I had explained why *your* message was incorrect. Get real, dude. Dig yourself. As for the oil spill I also listen and read experts who might disagree with your appraisal. There are a lot of folks out there posing as experts who don't know what the hell they're talking about. Like I said, go register at TheOilDrum.com and repeat what some of your experts say. IOW, I think the jury is still out on it. The jury isn't out on any of the notions I corrected.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For UFO lobbyist, truth is out there
There are a lot of folks out there posing as experts who don't know what the hell they're talking about... raunch: Whenever I post anything that yells CAHOOTS! just know that somehow it makes me feel better... ...the prime architect of the cap-and-trade idea was you guessed it former BP CEO Lord John Browne. So there is a special kind of cognitive dissonance going on in the juxtaposition of BP bullying and carbon tax cheerleading. Read more: 'A Small Speech from a Big Office' Posted by Daniel Foster The Corner, June 15, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/3abapm3
[FairfieldLife] Re: For UFO lobbyist, truth is out there
So far, the various theories I've seen about cahooting between the government and BP have been based on misinformation. But I'd be surprised to find there hadn't been at least some mutual back-scratching going on. None of it, though, would be negatively affecting BP's attempts to stop the leak. BP wants it stopped as badly as anybody else, if not more so. We'll get a better idea of the nature of the BP- government relationship, I think, once the leak is stopped and it becomes all about cleanup and restoration. BTW, somebody on TheOilDrum made a point in response to a complaint about BP's supposed incompetence with regard to stopping the leak that I hadn't heard before and that I think makes a lot of sense: We are talking about the massed engineering talent of the world oil industry augmented by the US DOE and several very special consultants. If there isn't competence in this aggregation of talent it does not exist within the human race, and likely never has. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: I'm as frustrated as anyone with the horrific mess in the Gulf, failed attempts to stop the leak, the inept cleanup efforts, and the greedy SOBs at BP. I haven't dug as deeply into the facts of the BP spill as Judy has, consequently, I've posted a few erroneous links founded on the notion that BP and our government are in cahoots. Whenever I post anything that yells CAHOOTS! just know that somehow it makes me feel better. It's times like these that Judy calls me out on the facts and directs me to http://www.theoildrum.com/ Correcting a factual error is not an attack, it's a favor. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Not to mention that just as she believes herself not only to be an authority on TM she knows believes herself to be an authority on the BP oil spill. We can take that with as much credibility as her expertise on TM. :-D That's crap. Just because I know more than you do about the oil spill doesn't make me an expert. That's nowhere near a high enough baseline. Nor do I consider myself an authority on TM. It's more the way you come off. You attack the messenger whether it's me, raunchy, Barry, etc rather than the message. Totally untrue. Totally. I've never attacked raunchy. I've attacked Barry, but only when he's attacked me or others unfairly, and NEVER without also showing his message was false. I'm as frustrated as anyone with the horrific mess in the Gulf, failed attempts to stop the leak, the inept cleanup efforts, and the greedy SOBs at BP. I haven't dug as deeply into the facts of the BP spill as Judy has, consequently, I've posted a few erroneous links founded on the notion that BP and our government are in cahoots. Whenever I post anything that yells CAHOOTS! just know that somehow it makes me feel better. It's times like these that Judy calls me out on the facts, talks me down from the cliff and directs me to http://www.theoildrum.com/ It's a great place for accurate information. Correcting a factual error is not an attack, it's a favor. And if you go back and look, you'll see I didn't attack you in our exchange about dispersants *until you had attacked me by claiming I was a shill for BP*--after I had explained why *your* message was incorrect. Get real, dude. Dig yourself. As for the oil spill I also listen and read experts who might disagree with your appraisal. There are a lot of folks out there posing as experts who don't know what the hell they're talking about. Like I said, go register at TheOilDrum.com and repeat what some of your experts say. IOW, I think the jury is still out on it. The jury isn't out on any of the notions I corrected.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For UFO lobbyist, truth is out there
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: (BTW, so nobody worries about me, I'll be away for the next few days, back Friday.) Ah, the olde I wasn't really obsessively using up almost all of my posts for the week in two days...I was just...uh...planning ahead for my 'vacation'... yeah...that's the ticket routine. I was starting to miss it. :-) Not to mention that just as she believes herself not only to be an authority on TM she knows believes herself to be an authority on the BP oil spill. We can take that with as much credibility as her expertise on TM. :-D That's crap. Just because I know more than you do about the oil spill doesn't make me an expert. That's nowhere near a high enough baseline. Nor do I consider myself an authority on TM. It's funny how you guys can never seem to come up with insulting things to say about me that have any relationship to reality. That you have to make stuff up doesn't exactly bolster your case against me. I wonder how many other 'vacations' Judy will trot out this summer as excuses for poor impulse control? This is one of Barry's weirder fantasies, that I plan to go away following a weekend in which there's so much intersting stuff going on on FFL that I make a lot of posts. He's never explained how I could know far enough in advance. Heaven help him if I should go away during a week following a weekend in which I didn't post much because there wasn't much of interest going on here. How would he resolve the cognitive dissonance? Let's see now. Traditionally for Barry, if I post a lot, it's because of poor impulse control. If I don't post a lot, it's because I have nothing to say. So what fantasy could he come up with in which my being away from FFL for a few days was an excuse for my having nothing to say? I'm sure he'll think of something... P.S.: I wasn't on vacation in any case.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For UFO lobbyist, truth is out there
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: Oh goody. Someone new sending us to hell. Pretty soon he'll recommend killing us, and others, to save us from going to hell. Time honored tradition. Good Buddhist teaching. Can't disagree. I've always suspected that anyone who claims to know that someone else's actions are going to send them to hell is speaking from experience. They clearly already live there, or else they wouldn't be so judgmental. :-) What, after all, is the difference between a Christian saying Believe what I believe or you'll go to hell and a TM TB like Nabby saying the same thing, or a Buddhist saying the same thing? For the record, I do not claim to know that anyone here on FFL is going to go to hell for their actions or beliefs. I don't have a clue, and don't much care. I do suspect that a few people, given the mindset they consistently display here, already live there, but that's a different kind of hell. For them, hell after they die will probably entail not being able to feel superior to anyone. Who, after all, are they going to feel superior to and be able to get their rocks off by yelling at in the real hell? Everybody's equally a sinner, and equally damned. No elitism possible. For someone like Nabby, *that* will be hell. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: Much evidence supports the idea that TM is half-baked; in the sense that TM alone may often lead to a plateau in which the practitioner is stranded. (this applies more to TM alone, not TM plus rounding, or programs with emphasis on breathing exercises.) When confronted with the plateau, people usually quit at that time. Others may look into other techniques. I recommend a complete all-encompassing metaphysical system along with whatever techniques one chooses, namely Buddhism. Then, devotion to the Teacher may carry one beyond the plateau. Those who place their faith in the TMO and butt-bouncing are doomed to Hell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For UFO lobbyist, truth is out there
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: (BTW, so nobody worries about me, I'll be away for the next few days, back Friday.) Ah, the olde I wasn't really obsessively using up almost all of my posts for the week in two days...I was just...uh...planning ahead for my 'vacation'... yeah...that's the ticket routine. I was starting to miss it. :-) I wonder how many other 'vacations' Judy will trot out this summer as excuses for poor impulse control? I have consulted Paul The Psychic Octopus on this and he predicts that Judy will come back from her vacation in time to fire off five more angry posts on Friday night and then post out completely before Tuesday of next week. When asked to predict how many of these Gotta post... just gotta messages will be about Barry and Vaj, Paul shrugged all eight of his shoulders, a gesture his keepers at the Seaquarium say means, Some things are just too easy for me to waste my time predicting them...give me a fuckin' challenge already. :-) :-) :-)
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I will also be away from tomorrow on - for approximately 3-4 weeks. I am back beginning of August. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: (BTW, so nobody worries about me, I'll be away for the next few days, back Friday.) (This has no connection to the story below.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For UFO lobbyist, truth is out there
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: (BTW, so nobody worries about me, I'll be away for the next few days, back Friday.) Ah, the olde I wasn't really obsessively using up almost all of my posts for the week in two days...I was just...uh...planning ahead for my 'vacation'... yeah...that's the ticket routine. I was starting to miss it. :-) Not to mention that just as she believes herself not only to be an authority on TM she knows believes herself to be an authority on the BP oil spill. We can take that with as much credibility as her expertise on TM. :-D
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Bhairitu: Not to mention that just as she believes herself not only to be an authority on TM she knows believes herself to be an authority on the BP oil spill. We can take that with as much credibility as her expertise on TM... Whats-a-matter - did Judy hurt your feelings again? Obviously Judy knows more about TM than just about anyone on the planet - a lot more than you know, judging by your contributions on news forums like FFL and Usenet. :-D Subject: Re: Bijas and Other Seed Sounds From: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: December 11, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/3xlf2qv So, I guess we can conclude that you and the store clerks just don't know much about Indian history. They certainly didn't seem to know much about TM, and I'm beginning to think you don't either...
[FairfieldLife] Re: For UFO lobbyist, truth is out there
Much evidence supports the idea that TM is half-baked; in the sense that TM alone may often lead to a plateau in which the practitioner is stranded. (this applies more to TM alone, not TM plus rounding, or programs with emphasis on breathing exercises.) When confronted with the plateau, people usually quit at that time. Others may look into other techniques. I recommend a complete all-encompassing metaphysical system along with whatever techniques one chooses, namely Buddhism. Then, devotion to the Teacher may carry one beyond the plateau. Those who place their faith in the TMO and butt-bouncing are doomed to Hell. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: (BTW, so nobody worries about me, I'll be away for the next few days, back Friday.) Ah, the olde I wasn't really obsessively using up almost all of my posts for the week in two days...I was just...uh...planning ahead for my 'vacation'... yeah...that's the ticket routine. I was starting to miss it. :-) Not to mention that just as she believes herself not only to be an authority on TM she knows believes herself to be an authority on the BP oil spill. We can take that with as much credibility as her expertise on TM. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For UFO lobbyist, truth is out there
yifuxero wrote: Much evidence supports the idea that TM is half-baked; in the sense that TM alone may often lead to a plateau in which the practitioner is stranded. (this applies more to TM alone, not TM plus rounding, or programs with emphasis on breathing exercises.) When confronted with the plateau, people usually quit at that time. Others may look into other techniques. Exactly what I did with one caveat: I actually came to TM after trying some other things and even having a kundalini experience. Outside of having a little yoga asana instruction from someone in 1970 it was all from books and attending one evening talk by Ram Dass at the local university. I surveyed the spiritual landscape and MMY's book seemed to be more grounded. Furthermore my relatives looked upon the endeavor with respect which they wouldn't with something more purely Indian. Even through the period of time I was involved with the movement I still read books from other paths but knew to keep it hidden. Attending a MA thing in 1985 was the last straw as I realized I had paid for what was an intro lecture on ayurveda and I already knew more about it than what was presented. Visiting India was even more eye opening as was hanging out with people from other paths and teachers at jyotish symposiums. A friend made the acquaintance of an Indian tantric who had come to the US so I visited him and after about 6 months took instruction. He provided a lot of what was missing from TM. I recommend a complete all-encompassing metaphysical system along with whatever techniques one chooses, namely Buddhism. Then, devotion to the Teacher may carry one beyond the plateau. Those who place their faith in the TMO and butt-bouncing are doomed to Hell. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: (BTW, so nobody worries about me, I'll be away for the next few days, back Friday.) Ah, the olde I wasn't really obsessively using up almost all of my posts for the week in two days...I was just...uh...planning ahead for my 'vacation'... yeah...that's the ticket routine. I was starting to miss it. :-) Not to mention that just as she believes herself not only to be an authority on TM she knows believes herself to be an authority on the BP oil spill. We can take that with as much credibility as her expertise on TM. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For UFO lobbyist, truth is out there
WillyTex wrote: Bhairitu: Not to mention that just as she believes herself not only to be an authority on TM she knows believes herself to be an authority on the BP oil spill. We can take that with as much credibility as her expertise on TM... Whats-a-matter - did Judy hurt your feelings again? Obviously Judy knows more about TM than just about anyone on the planet - a lot more than you know, judging by your contributions on news forums like FFL and Usenet. :-D Yup, she sure fooled you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For UFO lobbyist, truth is out there
Oh goody. Someone new sending us to hell. Pretty soon he'll recommend killing us, and others, to save us from going to hell. Time honored tradition. Good Buddhist teaching. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: Much evidence supports the idea that TM is half-baked; in the sense that TM alone may often lead to a plateau in which the practitioner is stranded. (this applies more to TM alone, not TM plus rounding, or programs with emphasis on breathing exercises.) When confronted with the plateau, people usually quit at that time. Others may look into other techniques. I recommend a complete all-encompassing metaphysical system along with whatever techniques one chooses, namely Buddhism. Then, devotion to the Teacher may carry one beyond the plateau. Those who place their faith in the TMO and butt-bouncing are doomed to Hell. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: (BTW, so nobody worries about me, I'll be away for the next few days, back Friday.) Ah, the olde I wasn't really obsessively using up almost all of my posts for the week in two days...I was just...uh...planning ahead for my 'vacation'... yeah...that's the ticket routine. I was starting to miss it. :-) Not to mention that just as she believes herself not only to be an authority on TM she knows believes herself to be an authority on the BP oil spill. We can take that with as much credibility as her expertise on TM. :-D
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Thx, now that you mention killing; one of my long-term objectives is to develop a death ray that can snuff people out at a distance. Should take me about a year to implement it; at which time it will be tested on the likes of the Taliban, terrorists in general, hardened criminals with long rap sheets, etc. Due to the huge numbers of potential targets, I'll worry about the selectivity question when the victim numbers get whittled down to size. This will save the taxpayers huge sums of money, and our troops will be able to come home from Afghanistan. But no, those involved in the TMO will NOT be targets. The Hellish doom that awaits them will be of their own making; and one can envision one of the lower Hells inhabited by Souls in the lowest levels of Dante's Inferno. What can be more a-Dharmic then allowing oneself to be tricked by charlatans? And, in terms of Buddhist teachings, the death ray is acceptable within the teachings of the Nichiren School, but not other Schools. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: Oh goody. Someone new sending us to hell. Pretty soon he'll recommend killing us, and others, to save us from going to hell. Time honored tradition. Good Buddhist teaching. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: Much evidence supports the idea that TM is half-baked; in the sense that TM alone may often lead to a plateau in which the practitioner is stranded. (this applies more to TM alone, not TM plus rounding, or programs with emphasis on breathing exercises.) When confronted with the plateau, people usually quit at that time. Others may look into other techniques. I recommend a complete all-encompassing metaphysical system along with whatever techniques one chooses, namely Buddhism. Then, devotion to the Teacher may carry one beyond the plateau. Those who place their faith in the TMO and butt-bouncing are doomed to Hell. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: (BTW, so nobody worries about me, I'll be away for the next few days, back Friday.) Ah, the olde I wasn't really obsessively using up almost all of my posts for the week in two days...I was just...uh...planning ahead for my 'vacation'... yeah...that's the ticket routine. I was starting to miss it. :-) Not to mention that just as she believes herself not only to be an authority on TM she knows believes herself to be an authority on the BP oil spill. We can take that with as much credibility as her expertise on TM. :-D
