[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-05-02 Thread Jason Spock



   The South-American natives are Dark-Brown in colour. It gives them sufficient protection from UV. Secondly, they are decendents of the second migration into Americas ie; the Mongoloid Migration from the Cold Siberia 8000 years ago. They completely replaced the original Aborginee-Negroid population that entered America 25,000 years ago by boats.  Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 03:10:47 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history 
+++ On further contemplation, I wonder why this black-whiteprogression wouldn't have worked in reverse in south America and sofind a lot of black people there now. N.  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-05-01 Thread Nelson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote:
 
  
  Genetists say, a single mutation in a single gene can change
 colour and characteristics. Evolution does not take place slowly and
 gradually, but in fits and bursts.
  
  There is a lot of genetic evidence for this. Genetic testing
 shows that there is very little genetic variations in Humans. On the
 contrary, there are huge genetic variations in other animals and
 plants even in a small locality. Take elephants for instance, even in
 a small locality there are wide range of genetic variations.
  
  These variations are completely missing only in humans. 
 Genetic Scientists like Dr. Spencer Wells traced it back to a point
 70,000 years ago when population dwindled down to a few hundreds. 
 This was somewhere in South-Africa.
  
  Pigment was one of the major mysteries untill a Lady scientist
 finally cracked it. In the tropics where there is abundance of UV
 radiation, one needed black pigments to protect the skin. But as
 humans started coming out of Africa and started moving north Sunlight
 became scarce in higher latitudes. Vitamin-D also became scarce. The
 skin became white so that whatever little Vitamin-D that could be
 squeezed out of the sunlight enabled them to survive. Those who had
 dark skins could not manufacture enough Vitamin-D in Sun-starved
 latitudes and died of rickets. Having a white skin bacame essential
 for survival in Cold-Latitudes. This change happened around 40,000
 years ago when the first humans entered Europe when the world was in
 the thick of an ice-age.
  
  Hitler's Aryan myth has been shattered by a simple Scientific
 fact - Vitamin-D..!!
  
  By the way, who said we didn't originate on this planet.?? 
 There is a 99% similarity between the Humans and their closest
 relative the Chimp..!!
  
 +++ That does sound logical for the black and white people but what
 sort of situation would explain the yellow and red ones?
 It is not an altogether black and white issue you could say.
 I will see if I can find some titles by authors of off world
 origins in my collection here. thanks, N.

+++ On further contemplation, I wonder why this black-white
progression wouldn't have worked in reverse in south America and so
find a lot of black people there now. N.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-30 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 4/29/06 4:09:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Hey Man, Sombody else wrote it. I don't remember who wrote 
it.??
 
 Read the posts more carefully Pal.
 
 Sorry Jason, I misread it. Double the pox on the person 
 who did write it!

Another reason the world would be better off without
America...its people are so out of it they believe that
they have the ability to give people the pox just by
thinking ill of them... 

Stupid *and* superstitious...c'mon Yellowstone, do 
your thing! And soon! :-)











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-30 Thread Jason Spock



 Genetists say, a single mutation in a single gene can change colour and characteristics. Evolution does not take place slowly and gradually, but in fits and bursts. There is a lot of genetic evidence for this. Genetic testing shows that there is very little genetic variations in Humans. On the contrary, there are huge genetic variations in other animals and plants even in a small locality. Take elephants for instance, even in a small locality there are wide range of genetic variations. These variations are completely missing only in humans. Genetic
 Scientists like Dr. Spencer Wells traced it back to a point 70,000 years ago when population dwindled down to a few hundreds. This was somewhere in South-Africa. Pigment was one of the major mysteries untill a Lady scientist finally cracked it. In the tropics where there is abundance of UV radiation, one needed black pigments to protect the skin. But as humans started coming out of Africa and started moving north Sunlight became scarce in higher latitudes. Vitamin-D also became scarce. The skin became white so that whatever little Vitamin-D that could be squeezed out of the sunlight enabled them to survive. Those who had dark skins could not manufacture enough Vitamin-D in Sun-starved latitudes and died of rickets. Having a white skin bacame essential for survival in
 Cold-Latitudes. This change happened around 40,000 years ago when the first humans entered Europe when the world was in the thick of an ice-age. Hitler's Aryan myth has been shattered by a simple Scientific fact - Vitamin-D..!! By the way, who said we didn't originate on this planet.?? There is a 99% similarity between the Humans and their closest relative the Chimp..!!Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006
 03:46:45 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history+++ That would seem to make it difficult to explain the four colorsthat exist today with some physiological differences. I enjoyed Cayce's supposed cognized explanation better which saidthe four colors were introduced at the same time at four differentareas of the earth. Other writers have said we didn't originate on this planet-interesting subject. N.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-30 Thread markmeredith2002



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote:

  
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 +++ That would seem to make it difficult to explain the four colors
 that exist today with some physiological differences.

Why? All the physiological changes can be explained by adaptions to
new climates, and there was enough time for it to happen

 I enjoyed Cayce's supposed cognized explanation better which said
 the four colors were introduced at the same time at four different
 areas of the earth.

An idiot in a trance may be more enjoyable, but it now goes against
pretty hard science. Who exactly did the introducing?

 Other writers have said we didn't originate on this planet-
 interesting subject. N.

It certainly seems like some people didn't, doesn't it?













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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-30 Thread Nelson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Genetists say, a single mutation in a single gene can change
colour and characteristics. Evolution does not take place slowly and
gradually, but in fits and bursts.
 
 There is a lot of genetic evidence for this. Genetic testing
shows that there is very little genetic variations in Humans. On the
contrary, there are huge genetic variations in other animals and
plants even in a small locality. Take elephants for instance, even in
a small locality there are wide range of genetic variations.
 
 These variations are completely missing only in humans. 
Genetic Scientists like Dr. Spencer Wells traced it back to a point
70,000 years ago when population dwindled down to a few hundreds. 
This was somewhere in South-Africa.
 
 Pigment was one of the major mysteries untill a Lady scientist
finally cracked it. In the tropics where there is abundance of UV
radiation, one needed black pigments to protect the skin. But as
humans started coming out of Africa and started moving north Sunlight
became scarce in higher latitudes. Vitamin-D also became scarce. The
skin became white so that whatever little Vitamin-D that could be
squeezed out of the sunlight enabled them to survive. Those who had
dark skins could not manufacture enough Vitamin-D in Sun-starved
latitudes and died of rickets. Having a white skin bacame essential
for survival in Cold-Latitudes. This change happened around 40,000
years ago when the first humans entered Europe when the world was in
the thick of an ice-age.
 
 Hitler's Aryan myth has been shattered by a simple Scientific
fact - Vitamin-D..!!
 
 By the way, who said we didn't originate on this planet.?? 
There is a 99% similarity between the Humans and their closest
relative the Chimp..!!
 
+++ That does sound logical for the black and white people but what
sort of situation would explain the yellow and red ones?
 It is not an altogether black and white issue you could say.
 I will see if I can find some titles by authors of off world
origins in my collection here. thanks, N.









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-30 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 4/30/06 1:34:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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Another 
  reason the world would be better off withoutAmerica...its people are so 
  out of it they believe thatthey have the ability to give people the pox 
  just bythinking ill of them... Stupid *and* superstitious...c'mon 
  Yellowstone, do your thing! And soon! 
:-)

triple the pox! LOL





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread Nelson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 [...]
  Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using DNA testing 
  for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate an African-
  American ancestor so that you can take advantage of affirmative-
  action!
  
  I guess there's an advantage to the one-drop rule...
 
 
 Since ALL human beings share a common female ancestor, the one-drop 
 rule is kinda silly...

+++ Common ancestor? 
 Is that a fact or opinion and, what color? N.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread markmeredith2002



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  [...]
   Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using DNA
testing 
   for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate an
African-
   American ancestor so that you can take advantage of affirmative-
   action!
   
   I guess there's an advantage to the one-drop rule...
  
  
  Since ALL human beings share a common female ancestor, the one-drop 
  rule is kinda silly...
 
 +++ Common ancestor? 
 Is that a fact or opinion and, what color? N.

The book The 7 Daughters of Eve lays out the genetic argument that
95% of all people of white european ancestry descended from 7 women
who left africa and settled elsewhere, I think about 45,000 yrs ago.
 









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread Jason Spock



 Look into Dr. Spencer Wells research on National Geographic channel. A single common ancestor in South-Africa 60,000 years ago. Colour Black, Negroid. https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/about.html At that time sea levels were 120 metres lower. From the tip of South-Africa to Australia to tip of South-America was one Unbroken Coast-Line. Genetic testing also show that Human population dwindled down to a few hundreds 70,000 years ago due to a drought. We were on the brink of extinction. All humans on the Earth today have decended from that 'Population-Bootleneck'.Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:37:28 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history+++ Common ancestor?  Is that a fact or opinion and, what color? N.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread anon_astute_ff



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The book The 7 Daughters of Eve lays out the genetic argument that
 95% of all people of white european ancestry descended from 7 women
 who left africa and settled elsewhere, I think about 45,000 yrs ago.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393323145/sr=8-1/qid=1146324757/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1423200-8312725?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Reviewer: D. B. Gibbons (Holladay, UT United States) - See all Many
scientists have things to say, but few know how to say them. The
Stephen Hawkings (A Brief History of Time) and Brian Fagans (Famines,
Floods and Emperors) of the world are rare creatures, indeed. In The
Seven Daughters of Eve Bryan Sykes proves he belongs in that small but
fortunate club.

This work is a remarkably well written narrative of Sykes' cutting
edge research into the ancestry of modern humans using mitochondrial
DNA. Unlike the DNA in the chromosomes of cell nuclei, which we
inherit from both of our parents, mitochondrial DNA is inherited only
from our mothers. It is also highly stable over time, which permits
geneticists to determine with almost mathematical certainty the
matrilineal genealogy of any human being on earth.

To students of history, prehistory, archaeology and linguistics the
conclusions he draws from his research are absolutely stunning. First,
he concludes that all modern humans (beyond reasonable mathematical
certainty) are descended from a single woman - Sykes calls her,
perhaps tongue in cheek, Mitochondrial Eve. Second, every person on
earth is, in turn, the descendant of one of only 33 women, who were
the matrilineal descendants of Eve. The book focuses on seven of
these women who are the matrilineal ancestors of virtually every
native European. These seven he calls, again perhaps tongue in cheek,
The Daughters of Eve. Third, the oldest of the daughters of Eve
lived only about 45,000 years ago, the youngest within the past 10,000
years.

Some additional thoughts:

1. As with all knowledge, take this with a little grain of salt.
Today's axioms in science may be disproved or reevaluated in a month,
a year or a century. This is cutting edge stuff, and there are likely
many surprises to come.

2. Sykes is at his descriptive best when dealing with the fascinating
details of his own research and field work. His writing style breaks
down somewhat when he attempts to write imaginative Clan of the Cave
Bear-like chapters on the lives of the seven daughters of Eve. I
skipped heavily in this section.

3. I am a little surprised to sense a commercial-like ambience on
Sykes' website, oxfordancestors.com. For a fee his organization will
test your DNA and tell you which daughter of Eve you are descended
from. This doesn't exactly lead me to doubt his research, but confirms
my suspicions that Sykes has many more skills as a writer and pitchman
than most of his colleagues.

4. Don't be misled by the title - this is not your standard Sunday
School or Bible Class religious tract. Those who believe that every
word of the Bible - through all of the twists and turns of 3,000 years
of copying, editing, compiling and translation - is infallible, will
perhaps find their faith challenged. On the other hand, those who are
not Bible literalists may find some edification here, as well.

7 of 9 people found the following review helpful:
Sykes Theories are Flawed, February 14, 2006
Reviewer: Tonya Payne 3d animator - See all my reviews
The first few chapters of this book were interesting and I really
thought it was going to be a good book. It turned out to be a rather
dull book with theories that go against logic and scientific research.

First of all, Sykes drags out his personal struggles with other
researchers in the middle of the book, which is where it gets really
boring. I don't care about academic squabbles, I want to hear the
facts. I wanted to read about the seven women who all Europeans are
decended from. When I finally got to those chapters I was
disappointed. Seriously, it was Cave Man fiction. If you want early
human fiction, read Jean Auel. Basically, he made up stories about
what life might have been like for these women, and put in absolutely
no evidence from archaeologists or anthropologists to support his
theories.

Second of all, Sykes claims to be able to trace all of the migrations
of humanity through Mitochondrial DNA. This is utter nonsense.
Mitochondrial DNA, as Sykes admits, only traces one single line out of
thousands upon thousands of your ancestors. It only traces your
mother's mother's line. While Mitochondrial DNA can trace this line's
migrations, there are thousands of other lines out there, and we
cannot assume that the other ones followed the same migration route as
that maternal line. To assume such things is not scientific. For
example after ten generations you have a possible 1024 ancestors,
after twenty generations you have a possible 1,048,576 ancestors. Of
course some of these lines join back 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 4/29/06 10:40:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   Genetic 
  testing also show that Human population dwindled down to a few hundreds 70,000 
  years ago due to a drought. We were on the brink of extinction. 
  All humans on the Earth today have decended from that 
  'Population-Bootleneck'.

I saw this figure tossed about as being caused by a super 
volcano somewhere in Indonesia, whichcaused some kind of "nuclear" winter 
type event, no doubt droughts as well. The evidence of this particular volcano 
going off 70,000 years ago is evident today in the earth's 
crust.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread Jason Spock



   Great Warning to everyone. Scientists say that YellowStone National Park is a giant Volcano that erupts once every 600,000 years. Now, 620,000 years have passed. A massive blow-up is long overdue. Such an eruption will cover half the hemisphere with ash.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:13:44 EDTSubject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA historyI saw this figure tossed about as being caused by a super volcano somewhere in Indonesia, whichcaused some kind of "nuclear" winter type event, no doubt droughts as well. The evidence of this particular volcano going off 70,000 years ago is evident
 today in the earth's crust.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Great Warning to everyone. Scientists say that YellowStone 
 National Park is a giant Volcano that erupts once every 600,000 
 years. Now, 620,000 years have passed. A massive blow-up is 
 long overdue. Such an eruption will cover half the hemisphere 
 with ash.

As long as its the half with America in it, no big loss. :-)

 
 
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 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:13:44 EDT
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history
 
 
 I saw this figure tossed about as being caused by a super 
volcano somewhere in Indonesia, which caused some kind of nuclear 
winter type event, no doubt droughts as well. The evidence of this 
particular volcano going off 70,000 years ago is evident today in 
the earth's crust.
 
 
 
 
   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 4/29/06 12:01:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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   Great Warning 
  to everyone. Scientists say that YellowStone National Park is a giant 
  Volcano that erupts once every 600,000 years. Now, 620,000 years have 
  passed. A massive blow-up is long overdue. Such an eruption will 
  cover half the hemisphere with 
ash.

Yes it is! The bottom of Lake Yellowstone is also rising and 
displacing water, indicating a rise in magma. However volcanologist say it could 
it could be another hundred thousand years off before a major eruption occurs 
there again. Part of the problem with the ash is what happened in Pompe. You 
breath in the ash which is like breathing in powderedcement. Then you 
breath again and your lungs secret moisture and the ash liquefies and turns into 
cement and you suffocate, quickly.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 4/29/06 12:19:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
--- In 
  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: Great Warning to everyone. Scientists 
  say that YellowStone  National Park is a giant Volcano that erupts 
  once every 600,000  years. Now, 620,000 years have passed. 
  A massive blow-up is  long overdue. Such an eruption will cover 
  half the hemisphere  with ash.As long as its the half with 
  America in it, no big loss. :-)

Another America hater. Jason you must be an under achiever 
that thinks everybody owes you something.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread bob_brigante



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   [...]
Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using DNA
 testing 
for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate an
 African-
American ancestor so that you can take advantage of 
affirmative-
action!

I guess there's an advantage to the one-drop rule...
   
   
   Since ALL human beings share a common female ancestor, the one-
drop 
   rule is kinda silly...
  
  +++ Common ancestor? 
  Is that a fact or opinion and, what color? N.
 


 The book The 7 Daughters of Eve lays out the genetic argument 
that
 95% of all people of white european ancestry descended from 7 women
 who left africa and settled elsewhere, I think about 45,000 yrs 
ago.



***


In other respects, however, further analysis including looking at 
other sequences from the nuclear genome has largely discredited 
the mitochondrial Eve idea, i.e., the bottleneck was likely never 
as severe as a single female, perhaps more like several thousand to 
several tens of thousands of females.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread Jason Spock



   Hey Man, Sombody else wrote it. I don't remember who wrote it.?? Readthe posts more carefully Pal.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:46:16 EDTSubject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA historyAnother America hater. Jason you must be an under achiever that thinks everybody owes you something.   As long
 as its the half with America in it, no big loss. :-)  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread bob_brigante



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ 
 wrote:
 
  Great Warning to everyone. Scientists say that YellowStone 
  National Park is a giant Volcano that erupts once every 600,000 
  years. Now, 620,000 years have passed. A massive blow-up is 
  long overdue. Such an eruption will cover half the hemisphere 
  with ash.
 


 As long as its the half with America in it, no big loss. :-)
 



U R Wrong. We R smart:

News Rack Destroyed in 'Bomb' Scare
By Bob Pool, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer 
latimes.com
April 29, 2006 


A newspaper promotion for the upcoming movie Mission: Impossible 
III misfired Friday when a Los Angeles County sheriff's arson squad 
blew up a news rack, thinking it contained a bomb.

Instead, the Los Angeles Times coin machine near the intersection of 
Sand Canyon and Soledad Canyon roads in Santa Clarita held a digital 
musical device designed to play the Mission: Impossible theme song 
when the rack's door was opened.


 The incident came amid several bomb reports made by newspaper 
buyers startled to see a red plastic box with wires protruding from 
it attached to the interiors of racks.

In West Los Angeles, federal police at the Veterans Affairs Medical 
Center called in the sheriff's bomb squad after a newspaper buyer 
spied the 6-inch-long, 2 1/2 -inch-wide box and its wires.

By then, deputies were aware that the box was a musical, not 
explosive, device.

Times officials said the devices were placed in 4,500 randomly 
selected news boxes in Los Angeles and Ventura counties in a venture 
with Paramount Pictures designed to turn the everyday news rack 
experience into an extraordinary mission.

In this day and age, anything a little odd-looking arouses 
suspicion, said Times Publisher Jeff Johnson.

The devices weren't supposed to be seen by the public, said John 
O'Loughlin, The Times' senior vice president for planning. This was 
the least intended outcome. We weren't expecting anything like this.

Newspaper executives said the singing news racks were the first of 
their kind. They are scheduled to be in operation through May 7. The 
Tom Cruise movie is to open May 5.

The bomb squad excitement was unexpected, said Mark Kurtich, senior 
vice president of operations for The Times. I think Paramount is 
pretty happy about it.

Retired Los Angeles County Sheriff's Sgt. Mike LaPerruque, now 
security manager for The Times, said law enforcement agencies around 
Los Angeles were advised Friday afternoon that the devices were a 
movie promotion and not dangerous.

I got a call from one agency even as I was on the phone making the 
notifications, he said.

With the wires leading to the micro-switch on the news rack doors, 
I can easily see how someone might have misconstrued it as an 
improvised explosive device, LaPerruque said.


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Times staff writers Hector Becerra and Gregory W. Griggs contributed 
to this report.













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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 4/29/06 4:09:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   Hey Man, Sombody 
  else wrote it. I don't remember who wrote it.??
  
   Readthe posts more 
  carefully Pal.

Sorry Jason, I misread it. Double the pox on the person who 
did write it!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread Jason Spock



   Some months back, some moron Joker misunderstood my post and gave me a real Bloody Nose with insultomatic.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:41:01 EDTSubject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA historySorry Jason, I misread it. Double the pox on the person who did write it!  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 In a message dated 4/29/06 12:19:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ 
 wrote:
 
  Great Warning to everyone. Scientists say that YellowStone 
  National Park is a giant Volcano that erupts once every 600,000 
  years. Now, 620,000 years have passed. A massive blow-up is 
  long overdue. Such an eruption will cover half the hemisphere 
  with ash.
 
 As long as its the half with America in it, no big loss. :-)
 
 
 
 
 Another America hater. Jason you must be an under achiever that 
thinks 
 everybody owes you something.




I think you're mistaking Jason for Turquoise.














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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread lurkernomore20002000



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 Hey Man, Sombody else wrote it. I don't remember who wrote 
it.??
 
 Read the posts more carefully Pal.
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:46:16 EDT
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA 
history
 
 
 Another America hater. Jason you must be an under achiever that 
thinks everybody owes you something.
 
 
  As long as its the half with America in it, no big loss. :-)

Remember the days when we could take a joke on this forum?

lurk

P.S. The comment in question was made by Turq.
 
 
 
   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 4/29/06 5:08:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Another America hater. Jason you must be an under achiever that 
  thinks  everybody owes you something.I think 
  you're mistaking Jason for Turquoise.

Yes, I caught that after I had already sent my post. I never 
saw the identification Turquoise on the original though. I apologized to Jason 
for the mistake. His comments are far too level headed to be associated with the 
one I had miss associatedwith him.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-29 Thread Sal Sunshine
Ah, memories.

Sal

On Apr 29, 2006, at 7:01 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:

>   > >As long as its the half with America in it, no big loss. :-)

Remember the days when we could take a joke on this forum?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-27 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
[...]
  Usually a law that is open to interpretation from the get-go is 
  called vague and is often ruled unconstitutional merely because 
  of vagueness. Don't know that executive orders can be 
challenged 
  for that though.
 
 
 
 Not 100% sure if it's the result of an executive order or an 
 executive power, but isn't the one about whether the president can 
 order wire-taps -- the thing that's under close scrutiny now -- 
 being challenged (at least in the court of public opinion if not a 
 justice court)?


I don't think there's even an executive order -- just the opinion of 
the Attorny General.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-26 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
salsunshine@ 
  wrote:
  
   Which, of course, is something only those sneaky minority 
groups 
  would 
   do--white people would never, ever attempt to get something 
they 
  hadn't 
   worked for...you know, the way George W got into Andover on 
Yale 
  purely 
   on his outstanding academic recored, his name and Daddy's $$ 
had 
   nothing whatsoever to do with it.
   
   And there's many others who did the exact same thing. But 
since 
   they're white, it's ok, right?
  
  You're too hung up on race, Sal.
  
  I suggest you start judging people by the content of their 
 character 
  rather than the colour of their skin.
 
 Seems to me she was commenting on the character of
 white people.


Precisely what I was talking about.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-26 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 [...]
  Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using DNA 
testing 
  for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate an 
African-
  American ancestor so that you can take advantage of affirmative-
  action!
  
  I guess there's an advantage to the one-drop rule...
 
 
 Since ALL human beings share a common female ancestor, the one-
drop 
 rule is kinda silly...



The one-drop rule formed the law in many states in the U.S. for many 
years. It served as the basis for all kinds of horrible segregation 
and racism. Of course it's kind of silly.

But in the U.S. it is embraced by the affirmative action racists as 
a legitimate manner in which to segregate people into separate civil 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-26 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
   
Better yet, some kid who's parents are in the Ku Klux Klan, 
 sends 
   off his 
DNA sample and it shows a much more prominent African link 
 only 
   two or three 
generations back!
   
   Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using DNA 
 testing 
   for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate an 
 African-
   American ancestor so that you can take advantage of 
affirmative-
   action!
   
  I heard of an upper middle class family that is using the 
father's 
 very, very distant 
  American Indian heritage so his son can have an advantage in 
 college admissions in a few 
  years, as well as maybe qualify for money. They could care less 
 absout being Indian, they 
  just want the benefits.
 
 
 This sounds strange since there are strict guidelines for how 
close a 
 relationship you have to have to be considered Native American 
by 
 the US government...


I don't know the U.S. law but in Canada you can be, literally, 
1/64th actual Indian blood and be officially considered an Indian 
and, yet, be 63/64ths Indian blood and be denied that classification.

And if you get the classification there are very real and tangible 
benefits and advantages to it.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-26 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  [...]
   Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using DNA 
 testing 
   for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate an 
 African-
   American ancestor so that you can take advantage of affirmative-
   action!
   
   I guess there's an advantage to the one-drop rule...
  
  
  Since ALL human beings share a common female ancestor, the one-
 drop 
  rule is kinda silly...
 
 
 
 The one-drop rule formed the law in many states in the U.S. for 
many 
 years. It served as the basis for all kinds of horrible 
segregation 
 and racism. Of course it's kind of silly.
 
 But in the U.S. it is embraced by the affirmative action racists as 
 a legitimate manner in which to segregate people into separate 
civil 
 rights categories.


Not really. As I said, there are rules about how close to full-
blooded you have to be to be counted as native american by the 
federal government, and most tribes have similar rules, I'm told. You 
can't walk in and say i'm 1/64th Cherokee and get special treatment.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-26 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:

 Better yet, some kid who's parents are in the Ku Klux 
Klan, 
  sends 
off his 
 DNA sample and it shows a much more prominent African link 
  only 
two or three 
 generations back!

Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using DNA 
  testing 
for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate an 
  African-
American ancestor so that you can take advantage of 
 affirmative-
action!

   I heard of an upper middle class family that is using the 
 father's 
  very, very distant 
   American Indian heritage so his son can have an advantage in 
  college admissions in a few 
   years, as well as maybe qualify for money. They could care 
less 
  absout being Indian, they 
   just want the benefits.
  
  
  This sounds strange since there are strict guidelines for how 
 close a 
  relationship you have to have to be considered Native American 
 by 
  the US government...
 
 
 I don't know the U.S. law but in Canada you can be, literally, 
 1/64th actual Indian blood and be officially considered an Indian 
 and, yet, be 63/64ths Indian blood and be denied that 
classification.
 
 And if you get the classification there are very real and 
tangible 
 benefits and advantages to it.


Well, that's interesting. How does one show that one is 1/64th 
American indian, and get benefits, and 63/64th AMerican inidan and 
not?











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-26 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
  Better yet, some kid who's parents are in the Ku Klux 
 Klan, 
   sends 
 off his 
  DNA sample and it shows a much more prominent African 
link 
   only 
 two or three 
  generations back!
 
 Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using 
DNA 
   testing 
 for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate 
an 
   African-
 American ancestor so that you can take advantage of 
  affirmative-
 action!
 
I heard of an upper middle class family that is using the 
  father's 
   very, very distant 
American Indian heritage so his son can have an advantage in 
   college admissions in a few 
years, as well as maybe qualify for money. They could care 
 less 
   absout being Indian, they 
just want the benefits.
   
   
   This sounds strange since there are strict guidelines for how 
  close a 
   relationship you have to have to be considered Native 
American 
  by 
   the US government...
  
  
  I don't know the U.S. law but in Canada you can be, literally, 
  1/64th actual Indian blood and be officially considered 
an Indian 
  and, yet, be 63/64ths Indian blood and be denied that 
 classification.
  
  And if you get the classification there are very real and 
 tangible 
  benefits and advantages to it.
 
 
 Well, that's interesting. How does one show that one is 1/64th 
 American indian, and get benefits, and 63/64th AMerican inidan and 
 not?



The law as it stands today says that one parent has to be 
classified Indian. And live on a reservation.

Extrapolate the situation where one parent is Indian and the other 
is non-Indian and then take it down several generations where the 
offspring only marry non-Indians and you'll see that, 
mathematically, you can have a descendant in 6 generations who is 
1/64th of actual Indian blood is still legally an Indian.

Now, not to get too confusing, but the current law was changed about 
1985. Prior to that, your FATHER had to Indian in order to get the 
Indian status. So, you could have someone in, say, 1870, and it was 
the MOTHER who was Indian and the father who was non-Indian and 
although this first generation individual was 50/50, they were 
classified as non-Indian. Then assume that each generation's child 
is a male who marries a full-blooded Indian female and you'll see 
that in 6 generations the descendant would be 63/64ths actual Indian 
blood but not have the right to be classified as Indian.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-26 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 
wayback71@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
   shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  
   Better yet, some kid who's parents are in the Ku Klux 
  Klan, 
sends 
  off his 
   DNA sample and it shows a much more prominent African 
 link 
only 
  two or three 
   generations back!
  
  Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using 
 DNA 
testing 
  for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate 
 an 
African-
  American ancestor so that you can take advantage of 
   affirmative-
  action!
  
 I heard of an upper middle class family that is using the 
   father's 
very, very distant 
 American Indian heritage so his son can have an advantage 
in 
college admissions in a few 
 years, as well as maybe qualify for money. They could care 
  less 
absout being Indian, they 
 just want the benefits.


This sounds strange since there are strict guidelines for how 
   close a 
relationship you have to have to be considered Native 
 American 
   by 
the US government...
   
   
   I don't know the U.S. law but in Canada you can be, literally, 
   1/64th actual Indian blood and be officially considered 
 an Indian 
   and, yet, be 63/64ths Indian blood and be denied that 
  classification.
   
   And if you get the classification there are very real and 
  tangible 
   benefits and advantages to it.
  
  
  Well, that's interesting. How does one show that one is 1/64th 
  American indian, and get benefits, and 63/64th AMerican inidan 
and 
  not?
 
 
 
 The law as it stands today says that one parent has to be 
 classified Indian. And live on a reservation.
 
 Extrapolate the situation where one parent is Indian and the other 
 is non-Indian and then take it down several generations where the 
 offspring only marry non-Indians and you'll see that, 
 mathematically, you can have a descendant in 6 generations who is 
 1/64th of actual Indian blood is still legally an Indian.
 
 Now, not to get too confusing, but the current law was changed 
about 
 1985. Prior to that, your FATHER had to Indian in order to get the 
 Indian status. So, you could have someone in, say, 1870, and it 
was 
 the MOTHER who was Indian and the father who was non-Indian and 
 although this first generation individual was 50/50, they were 
 classified as non-Indian. Then assume that each generation's child 
 is a male who marries a full-blooded Indian female and you'll see 
 that in 6 generations the descendant would be 63/64ths actual 
Indian 
 blood but not have the right to be classified as Indian.


Ah, OK. After a little thought I realized it had to be something 
stupid like that. Laws are seldom well thought-out, I've noticed. I 
just read the executive order that gives the Pres and VP the right to 
classify or declassify anything they want. It makes explicit that it 
doesn't change the procedures for classifying, but doesn't mention 
the procedures for declassifying. Was this a deliberate oversight to 
allow leaks by the White house without going through proper 
procedures, or was it just sloppy wording?










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-26 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 
 wayback71@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ 
wrote:
   
Better yet, some kid who's parents are in the Ku 
Klux 
   Klan, 
 sends 
   off his 
DNA sample and it shows a much more prominent 
African 
  link 
 only 
   two or three 
generations back!
   
   Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's 
using 
  DNA 
 testing 
   for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: 
locate 
  an 
 African-
   American ancestor so that you can take advantage of 
affirmative-
   action!
   
  I heard of an upper middle class family that is using 
the 
father's 
 very, very distant 
  American Indian heritage so his son can have an 
advantage 
 in 
 college admissions in a few 
  years, as well as maybe qualify for money. They could 
care 
   less 
 absout being Indian, they 
  just want the benefits.
 
 
 This sounds strange since there are strict guidelines for 
how 
close a 
 relationship you have to have to be considered Native 
  American 
by 
 the US government...


I don't know the U.S. law but in Canada you can be, 
literally, 
1/64th actual Indian blood and be officially considered 
  an Indian 
and, yet, be 63/64ths Indian blood and be denied that 
   classification.

And if you get the classification there are very real and 
   tangible 
benefits and advantages to it.
   
   
   Well, that's interesting. How does one show that one is 1/64th 
   American indian, and get benefits, and 63/64th AMerican inidan 
 and 
   not?
  
  
  
  The law as it stands today says that one parent has to be 
  classified Indian. And live on a reservation.
  
  Extrapolate the situation where one parent is Indian and the 
other 
  is non-Indian and then take it down several generations where 
the 
  offspring only marry non-Indians and you'll see that, 
  mathematically, you can have a descendant in 6 generations who 
is 
  1/64th of actual Indian blood is still legally an Indian.
  
  Now, not to get too confusing, but the current law was changed 
 about 
  1985. Prior to that, your FATHER had to Indian in order to get 
the 
  Indian status. So, you could have someone in, say, 1870, and it 
 was 
  the MOTHER who was Indian and the father who was non-Indian and 
  although this first generation individual was 50/50, they were 
  classified as non-Indian. Then assume that each generation's 
child 
  is a male who marries a full-blooded Indian female and you'll 
see 
  that in 6 generations the descendant would be 63/64ths actual 
 Indian 
  blood but not have the right to be classified as Indian.
 
 
 Ah, OK. After a little thought I realized it had to be something 
 stupid like that. Laws are seldom well thought-out, I've noticed. 
I 
 just read the executive order that gives the Pres and VP the right 
to 
 classify or declassify anything they want. It makes explicit that 
it 
 doesn't change the procedures for classifying, but doesn't mention 
 the procedures for declassifying. Was this a deliberate oversight 
to 
 allow leaks by the White house without going through proper 
 procedures, or was it just sloppy wording?



I think certain laws are written in such a way as to 
allow executive orders so that the President can change 
regulations on existing laws...not to change the actual law but to, 
from an administrative standpoint, change how the law is implemented.

And it's not just the president who can do it; perhaps Congress will 
word the law in such a way that the Attorney-General or the 
Secretary of Transportation can administer a law under their 
jurisdiction in a similar manner.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-26 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 
  wayback71@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ 
 wrote:

 Better yet, some kid who's parents are in the Ku 
 Klux 
Klan, 
  sends 
off his 
 DNA sample and it shows a much more prominent 
 African 
   link 
  only 
two or three 
 generations back!

Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's 
 using 
   DNA 
  testing 
for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: 
 locate 
   an 
  African-
American ancestor so that you can take advantage of 
 affirmative-
action!

   I heard of an upper middle class family that is using 
 the 
 father's 
  very, very distant 
   American Indian heritage so his son can have an 
 advantage 
  in 
  college admissions in a few 
   years, as well as maybe qualify for money. They could 
 care 
less 
  absout being Indian, they 
   just want the benefits.
  
  
  This sounds strange since there are strict guidelines for 
 how 
 close a 
  relationship you have to have to be considered Native 
   American 
 by 
  the US government...
 
 
 I don't know the U.S. law but in Canada you can be, 
 literally, 
 1/64th actual Indian blood and be officially considered 
   an Indian 
 and, yet, be 63/64ths Indian blood and be denied that 
classification.
 
 And if you get the classification there are very real and 
tangible 
 benefits and advantages to it.


Well, that's interesting. How does one show that one is 
1/64th 
American indian, and get benefits, and 63/64th AMerican 
inidan 
  and 
not?
   
   
   
   The law as it stands today says that one parent has to be 
   classified Indian. And live on a reservation.
   
   Extrapolate the situation where one parent is Indian and the 
 other 
   is non-Indian and then take it down several generations where 
 the 
   offspring only marry non-Indians and you'll see that, 
   mathematically, you can have a descendant in 6 generations who 
 is 
   1/64th of actual Indian blood is still legally an Indian.
   
   Now, not to get too confusing, but the current law was changed 
  about 
   1985. Prior to that, your FATHER had to Indian in order to get 
 the 
   Indian status. So, you could have someone in, say, 1870, and 
it 
  was 
   the MOTHER who was Indian and the father who was non-Indian and 
   although this first generation individual was 50/50, they were 
   classified as non-Indian. Then assume that each generation's 
 child 
   is a male who marries a full-blooded Indian female and you'll 
 see 
   that in 6 generations the descendant would be 63/64ths actual 
  Indian 
   blood but not have the right to be classified as Indian.
  
  
  Ah, OK. After a little thought I realized it had to be something 
  stupid like that. Laws are seldom well thought-out, I've noticed. 
 I 
  just read the executive order that gives the Pres and VP the 
right 
 to 
  classify or declassify anything they want. It makes explicit that 
 it 
  doesn't change the procedures for classifying, but doesn't 
mention 
  the procedures for declassifying. Was this a deliberate oversight 
 to 
  allow leaks by the White house without going through proper 
  procedures, or was it just sloppy wording?
 
 
 
 I think certain laws are written in such a way as to 
 allow executive orders so that the President can change 
 regulations on existing laws...not to change the actual law but to, 
 from an administrative standpoint, change how the law is 
implemented.
 
 And it's not just the president who can do it; perhaps Congress 
will 
 word the law in such a way that the Attorney-General or the 
 Secretary of Transportation can administer a law under their 
 jurisdiction in a similar manner.


Usually a law that is open to interpretation from the get-go is 
called vague and is often ruled unconstitutional merely because 
of vagueness. Don't know that executive orders can be challenged 
for that though.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-26 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
   shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig 
sparaig@ 
   wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 
   wayback71@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ 
  wrote:
 
  Better yet, some kid who's parents are in the Ku 
  Klux 
 Klan, 
   sends 
 off his 
  DNA sample and it shows a much more prominent 
  African 
link 
   only 
 two or three 
  generations back!
 
 Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's 
  using 
DNA 
   testing 
 for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: 
  locate 
an 
   African-
 American ancestor so that you can take advantage 
of 
  affirmative-
 action!
 
I heard of an upper middle class family that is 
using 
  the 
  father's 
   very, very distant 
American Indian heritage so his son can have an 
  advantage 
   in 
   college admissions in a few 
years, as well as maybe qualify for money. They 
could 
  care 
 less 
   absout being Indian, they 
just want the benefits.
   
   
   This sounds strange since there are strict guidelines 
for 
  how 
  close a 
   relationship you have to have to be considered Native 
American 
  by 
   the US government...
  
  
  I don't know the U.S. law but in Canada you can be, 
  literally, 
  1/64th actual Indian blood and be officially considered 
an Indian 
  and, yet, be 63/64ths Indian blood and be denied that 
 classification.
  
  And if you get the classification there are very real 
and 
 tangible 
  benefits and advantages to it.
 
 
 Well, that's interesting. How does one show that one is 
 1/64th 
 American indian, and get benefits, and 63/64th AMerican 
 inidan 
   and 
 not?



The law as it stands today says that one parent has to be 
classified Indian. And live on a reservation.

Extrapolate the situation where one parent is Indian and the 
  other 
is non-Indian and then take it down several generations 
where 
  the 
offspring only marry non-Indians and you'll see that, 
mathematically, you can have a descendant in 6 generations 
who 
  is 
1/64th of actual Indian blood is still legally an Indian.

Now, not to get too confusing, but the current law was 
changed 
   about 
1985. Prior to that, your FATHER had to Indian in order to 
get 
  the 
Indian status. So, you could have someone in, say, 1870, 
and 
 it 
   was 
the MOTHER who was Indian and the father who was non-Indian 
and 
although this first generation individual was 50/50, they 
were 
classified as non-Indian. Then assume that each 
generation's 
  child 
is a male who marries a full-blooded Indian female and 
you'll 
  see 
that in 6 generations the descendant would be 63/64ths 
actual 
   Indian 
blood but not have the right to be classified as Indian.
   
   
   Ah, OK. After a little thought I realized it had to be 
something 
   stupid like that. Laws are seldom well thought-out, I've 
noticed. 
  I 
   just read the executive order that gives the Pres and VP the 
 right 
  to 
   classify or declassify anything they want. It makes explicit 
that 
  it 
   doesn't change the procedures for classifying, but doesn't 
 mention 
   the procedures for declassifying. Was this a deliberate 
oversight 
  to 
   allow leaks by the White house without going through proper 
   procedures, or was it just sloppy wording?
  
  
  
  I think certain laws are written in such a way as to 
  allow executive orders so that the President can change 
  regulations on existing laws...not to change the actual law but 
to, 
  from an administrative standpoint, change how the law is 
 implemented.
  
  And it's not just the president who can do it; perhaps Congress 
 will 
  word the law in such a way that the Attorney-General or the 
  Secretary of Transportation can administer a law under their 
  jurisdiction in a similar manner.
 
 
 Usually a law that is open to interpretation from the get-go is 
 called vague and is often ruled unconstitutional merely because 
 of vagueness. Don't know that executive orders can be challenged 
 for that though.



Not 100% sure if it's the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-25 Thread jyouells2000



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ 
 wrote:
 
  Maybe someone has already mentioned this, but National Geographic 
 and IBM are involved 
  in a joint venture to research the movement of humans as they 
 began to leave Africa about 
  150,000 years ago. Apparently, all of us have DNA that goes back 
 to the same male or 
  female. For $107 you can order a kit online from National 
 Geographic and 8 weeks after 
  you send in cheek swabs of your DNA, they send you the info about 
 your ancestry. If you 
  are female, they trace your mitochondrial DNA (through your 
 mother's line) and if you are 
  male, they trace your father's line.They also use your info in 
 their worldwide database. 
  Your money helps to fund the collection of DNA in poorer and 
 indigenous tribes 
  throughout the world.
 
 
 What a great idea!


Gattaca - or just tracking down the Meravingians? 
And you get to pay for it, too. :-) 










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-25 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ 
  wrote:
  
   Maybe someone has already mentioned this, but National 
Geographic 
  and IBM are involved 
   in a joint venture to research the movement of humans as they 
  began to leave Africa about 
   150,000 years ago. Apparently, all of us have DNA that goes 
back 
  to the same male or 
   female. For $107 you can order a kit online from National 
  Geographic and 8 weeks after 
   you send in cheek swabs of your DNA, they send you the info 
about 
  your ancestry. If you 
   are female, they trace your mitochondrial DNA (through your 
  mother's line) and if you are 
   male, they trace your father's line.They also use your info in 
  their worldwide database. 
   Your money helps to fund the collection of DNA in poorer and 
  indigenous tribes 
   throughout the world.
  
  What a great idea!
 
 Gattaca - or just tracking down the Meravingians? 
 And you get to pay for it, too. :-)

Good basis for a thriller here. Some kid sends his
family's DNA off to National Geographic as part of
his science project and a team of weird Dan Brown
albino priests arrives at the door to kidnap the
kids... :-)











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-25 Thread wayback71



Order at: www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic
It is great idea for your thriller. I think someone at National Geo. also thought about the 
misuse of this info - in the literature in the kit (and at the website under FAQ's) there are 
several brief discussions of how the info will be used and how private it is and what it 
cannot tell about you. Each participant is given an id number that is shipped out with the 
swabs and is on the DNA container you return. You don't send in your name except when 
you order the thing.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ 
 wrote:
 Good basis for a thriller here. Some kid sends his
 family's DNA off to National Geographic as part of
 his science project and a team of weird Dan Brown
 albino priests arrives at the door to kidnap the
 kids... :-)











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-25 Thread wayback71



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Order at: www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic
 It is great idea for your thriller. I think someone at National Geo. also thought about the 
 misuse of this info - in the literature in the kit (and at the website under FAQ's) there 
are 
 several brief discussions of how the info will be used and how private it is and what it 
 cannot tell about you. Each participant is given an id number that is shipped out with 
the 
 swabs and is on the DNA container you return. You don't send in your name except 
when 
 you order the thing.
 I forgot to add: to check on your results you use your id number and go online. Nothing 
is mailed back to you once you have sent in your DNA. 









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-25 Thread markmeredith2002



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote:
 
  Order at: www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic
  It is great idea for your thriller. I think someone at National
Geo. also thought about the 
  misuse of this info - in the literature in the kit (and at the
website under FAQ's) there 
 are 
  several brief discussions of how the info will be used and how
private it is and what it 
  cannot tell about you. Each participant is given an id number
that is shipped out with 
 the 
  swabs and is on the DNA container you return. You don't send in
your name except 
 when 
  you order the thing.
 I forgot to add: to check on your results you use your id number
and go online. Nothing 
 is mailed back to you once you have sent in your DNA.

I've participated in the Genographic project - primarily to support
the research. The info you receive is very general, but as they
collect more samples from around the world, they'll continue to update
you on your specific DNA marker type with more detailed info on the
migration your ancestors took out of africa. You also get a very
interesting DVD describing the science - not so much the genetics
analysis part, but the human history part. 









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-25 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 4/25/06 1:56:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Good 
  basis for a thriller here. Some kid sends hisfamily's DNA off to National 
  Geographic as part ofhis science project and a team of weird Dan 
  Brownalbino priests arrives at the door to kidnap thekids... 
  :-)

Better yet, some kid who's parents are in the Ku Klux Klan, 
sends off his DNA sample and it shows a much more prominent African link only 
two or three generations back!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-25 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 In a message dated 4/25/06 1:56:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Good basis for a thriller here. Some kid sends his
 family's DNA off to National Geographic as part of
 his science project and a team of weird Dan Brown
 albino priests arrives at the door to kidnap the
 kids... :-)
 
 
 
 Better yet, some kid who's parents are in the Ku Klux Klan, sends 
off his 
 DNA sample and it shows a much more prominent African link only 
two or three 
 generations back!



Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using DNA testing 
for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate an African-
American ancestor so that you can take advantage of affirmative-
action!

I guess there's an advantage to the one-drop rule...










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-25 Thread wayback71



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  
  Better yet, some kid who's parents are in the Ku Klux Klan, sends 
 off his 
  DNA sample and it shows a much more prominent African link only 
 two or three 
  generations back!
 
 Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using DNA testing 
 for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate an African-
 American ancestor so that you can take advantage of affirmative-
 action!
 
I heard of an upper middle class family that is using the father's very, very distant 
American Indian heritage so his son can have an advantage in college admissions in a few 
years, as well as maybe qualify for money. They could care less absout being Indian, they 
just want the benefits.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-25 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  
   Better yet, some kid who's parents are in the Ku Klux Klan, 
sends 
  off his 
   DNA sample and it shows a much more prominent African link 
only 
  two or three 
   generations back!
  
  Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using DNA 
testing 
  for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate an 
African-
  American ancestor so that you can take advantage of affirmative-
  action!
  
 I heard of an upper middle class family that is using the father's 
very, very distant 
 American Indian heritage so his son can have an advantage in 
college admissions in a few 
 years, as well as maybe qualify for money. They could care less 
absout being Indian, they 
 just want the benefits.


...as well as some who are claiming Indian ancestry so that they can 
partake of casino profits as well...










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-25 Thread Sal Sunshine
Which, of course, is something only those sneaky minority groups would do--white people would never, ever attempt to get something they hadn't worked for...you know, the way George W got into Andover on Yale purely on his outstanding academic recored, his name and Daddy's $$ had nothing whatsoever to do with it. 

And there's many others who did the exact same thing.  But since they're white, it's ok, right?

Sal


On Apr 25, 2006, at 2:30 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using DNA testing 
for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate an African-
American ancestor so that you can take advantage of affirmative-
action!


[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-25 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Which, of course, is something only those sneaky minority groups 
would 
 do--white people would never, ever attempt to get something they 
hadn't 
 worked for...you know, the way George W got into Andover on Yale 
purely 
 on his outstanding academic recored, his name and Daddy's $$ had 
 nothing whatsoever to do with it.
 
 And there's many others who did the exact same thing. But since 
 they're white, it's ok, right?




You're too hung up on race, Sal.

I suggest you start judging people by the content of their character 
rather than the colour of their skin.




 
 Sal
 
 
 On Apr 25, 2006, at 2:30 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
 
  Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using DNA 
testing
  for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate an 
African-
  American ancestor so that you can take advantage of affirmative-
  action!












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-25 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
 wrote:
 
  Which, of course, is something only those sneaky minority groups 
 would 
  do--white people would never, ever attempt to get something they 
 hadn't 
  worked for...you know, the way George W got into Andover on Yale 
 purely 
  on his outstanding academic recored, his name and Daddy's $$ had 
  nothing whatsoever to do with it.
  
  And there's many others who did the exact same thing. But since 
  they're white, it's ok, right?
 
 You're too hung up on race, Sal.
 
 I suggest you start judging people by the content of their 
character 
 rather than the colour of their skin.

Seems to me she was commenting on the character of
white people.










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-25 Thread Sal Sunshine
So rather than responding to my perfectly valid point about how privileged white people routinely scam the system, you choose to twist my words into something that  wasn't there, and to then try and overlook your own point, which was when anyone *other* than whites do it, it's cheating, but when the likes of George W do, it magically becomes something else.  By making a typical racist remark and then accusing somebody *else* of racism when they respond, I suppose the idea is that your remarks are forgotten.  

OK, how you want to respond is your choice.  But it's extremely dishonest.  You seem to use this baiting technique quite a bit, Shemp.  What you get out of it is a mystery.

Sal


On Apr 25, 2006, at 7:04 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Which, of course, is something only those sneaky minority groups 
would 
> do--white people would never, ever attempt to get something they 
hadn't 
> worked for...you know, the way George W got into Andover on Yale 
purely 
> on his outstanding academic recored, his name and Daddy's $$ had 
> nothing whatsoever to do with it.
> 
> And there's many others who did the exact same thing.  But since 
> they're white, it's ok, right?




You're too hung up on race, Sal.

I suggest you start judging people by the content of their character 
rather than the colour of their skin.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-25 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
[...]
 Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using DNA testing 
 for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate an African-
 American ancestor so that you can take advantage of affirmative-
 action!
 
 I guess there's an advantage to the one-drop rule...


Since ALL human beings share a common female ancestor, the one-drop 
rule is kinda silly...









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-25 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  
   Better yet, some kid who's parents are in the Ku Klux Klan, 
sends 
  off his 
   DNA sample and it shows a much more prominent African link 
only 
  two or three 
   generations back!
  
  Apparently, there's a DNA company out there that's using DNA 
testing 
  for the same reason...BUT for a different purpose: locate an 
African-
  American ancestor so that you can take advantage of affirmative-
  action!
  
 I heard of an upper middle class family that is using the father's 
very, very distant 
 American Indian heritage so his son can have an advantage in 
college admissions in a few 
 years, as well as maybe qualify for money. They could care less 
absout being Indian, they 
 just want the benefits.


This sounds strange since there are strict guidelines for how close a 
relationship you have to have to be considered Native American by 
the US government...









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Genographic kit: trace your DNA history

2006-04-24 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Maybe someone has already mentioned this, but National Geographic 
and IBM are involved 
 in a joint venture to research the movement of humans as they 
began to leave Africa about 
 150,000 years ago. Apparently, all of us have DNA that goes back 
to the same male or 
 female. For $107 you can order a kit online from National 
Geographic and 8 weeks after 
 you send in cheek swabs of your DNA, they send you the info about 
your ancestry. If you 
 are female, they trace your mitochondrial DNA (through your 
mother's line) and if you are 
 male, they trace your father's line.They also use your info in 
their worldwide database. 
 Your money helps to fund the collection of DNA in poorer and 
indigenous tribes 
 throughout the world.

 
What a great idea!










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