[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: If Guru Dev had lived and saw what a mockery Marshy made of what Guru Dev taught he would have kicked Marshy's ass from Delhi to Kashmir and back again. In all honesty, I've always assumed that the reason Maharishi became so reclusive -- confining himself to his room in Vlodrop and seeing almost no one except over closed-circuit TV for the last years of his life after his heart attack in an attempt to keep living -- was because on some level, being as superstitious as he was, he was terrified that after he died he'd meet Guru Dev again, and have to account for what he'd done in his name. I really doubt that Turq. It's just an opinion, not (like some here specialize in) a declaration of Ultimate Truth. But some of the later videos I saw seemed to indicate he had some growth, I think around his left eyebrow at some point. And he did not seem particularly dynamic in those last years. He did not have the clarity of mind of his younger self. Perhaps his visual appearance was kept under wraps. Perfect Health, you know. There is no perhaps about it. We know this because of reports from at least one of the crew filming the videos in those last years that they involved a great deal of creative fakery. The camera was mounted on an apparatus above the bed pointing down and the pillows then artfully arranged to make it look as if he was sitting up. But he wasn't. Supposedly in one of them Maharishi is waving a flower like he used to and a petal falls off. Instead of falling down towards his feet (as it would if he were sitting), it falls sideways, past his ear, and lodges on the pillow there. I guess no one caught the special effects blooper. :-) I'm not ragging on him getting old and feeble, BTW. That is likely to happen to all of us. I'm just ragging on him taking steps to pretend to his followers that it wasn't happening. While I suspect he was superstitious, as are an enormous number of meditators I have known, and in fact, just about everyone I have ever met actually. Probably I have some I am not aware of. It probably was cultural, he shared a lot of the superstitions Indians have. That seems to have been the case with the upside-down chair thang. It's considered a bad omen in some parts of India. And besides, that incident happened way back in 1968, long before he'd invented invincibility and thus before he had to pretend not to be scared shitless by things like upside-down chairs. :-) It would have been interesting to know what he thought might happen after death, though when younger he presented that subject in the standard enlightenment form that nothing happens. It would indeed have been interesting, although I suspect if you'd ever gotten him to talk about such things openly, his beliefs would be as contradictory as his teachings on the subject. I mean, in one lecture he'd go on and on about the drop returning to the ocean and declare that after death in enlightenment there was no possibility of remaining individuality or reincarnation, and in the next lecture he'd be going on about encountering Guru Dev's or other saints' personalities after they had died. I suspect that like most people he *held* vastly contra- dictory ideas about such things, and like most people he carefully avoided ever dealing with the contradictions. What does happen experientially at death? Maybe we should ask Dr Dumbass, since we have a bona fide announcement of enlightenment from him. He should know, would you not say? Well you know my position on this. DrD is to the concept of enlightenment as a filthy public toilet in Delhi is to the concept of cleanliness. :-) However, I would go so far as to say that even being *really* enlightened would give one no idea what happens after death; only dying does that. There *are* traditions in which one studies and even exper- iences subjectively the death and rebirth process before actually dying, as a training and preparation for it. I have trained in some of these methods, and they're defin- itely interesting, providing at least the *subjective* experience of death and the transition to a new birth. But they're subjective. As with *all* subjective exper- iences, they could have been induced by suggestion or many other things. Even though in other contexts (without seeking these experiences, them just happening on their own) I have had strong waking-state flashbacks of previous lifetimes, and even of the death-Bardo-rebirth process. These personal experiences of mine suggest to me that this is what happens, but again they were *subjective*, and so I don't know what will happen. This brings up another question about enlightenment. Does enlightenment have any effect on
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The world is a crappy place - Barry Wright The world is as you are - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: If Guru Dev had lived and saw what a mockery Marshy made of what Guru Dev taught he would have kicked Marshy's ass from Delhi to Kashmir and back again. In all honesty, I've always assumed that the reason Maharishi became so reclusive -- confining himself to his room in Vlodrop and seeing almost no one except over closed-circuit TV for the last years of his life after his heart attack in an attempt to keep living -- was because on some level, being as superstitious as he was, he was terrified that after he died he'd meet Guru Dev again, and have to account for what he'd done in his name. I really doubt that Turq. It's just an opinion, not (like some here specialize in) a declaration of Ultimate Truth. But some of the later videos I saw seemed to indicate he had some growth, I think around his left eyebrow at some point. And he did not seem particularly dynamic in those last years. He did not have the clarity of mind of his younger self. Perhaps his visual appearance was kept under wraps. Perfect Health, you know. There is no perhaps about it. We know this because of reports from at least one of the crew filming the videos in those last years that they involved a great deal of creative fakery. The camera was mounted on an apparatus above the bed pointing down and the pillows then artfully arranged to make it look as if he was sitting up. But he wasn't. Supposedly in one of them Maharishi is waving a flower like he used to and a petal falls off. Instead of falling down towards his feet (as it would if he were sitting), it falls sideways, past his ear, and lodges on the pillow there. I guess no one caught the special effects blooper. :-) I'm not ragging on him getting old and feeble, BTW. That is likely to happen to all of us. I'm just ragging on him taking steps to pretend to his followers that it wasn't happening. While I suspect he was superstitious, as are an enormous number of meditators I have known, and in fact, just about everyone I have ever met actually. Probably I have some I am not aware of. It probably was cultural, he shared a lot of the superstitions Indians have. That seems to have been the case with the upside-down chair thang. It's considered a bad omen in some parts of India. And besides, that incident happened way back in 1968, long before he'd invented invincibility and thus before he had to pretend not to be scared shitless by things like upside-down chairs. :-) It would have been interesting to know what he thought might happen after death, though when younger he presented that subject in the standard enlightenment form that nothing happens. It would indeed have been interesting, although I suspect if you'd ever gotten him to talk about such things openly, his beliefs would be as contradictory as his teachings on the subject. I mean, in one lecture he'd go on and on about the drop returning to the ocean and declare that after death in enlightenment there was no possibility of remaining individuality or reincarnation, and in the next lecture he'd be going on about encountering Guru Dev's or other saints' personalities after they had died. I suspect that like most people he *held* vastly contra- dictory ideas about such things, and like most people he carefully avoided ever dealing with the contradictions. What does happen experientially at death? Maybe we should ask Dr Dumbass, since we have a bona fide announcement of enlightenment from him. He should know, would you not say? Well you know my position on this. DrD is to the concept of enlightenment as a filthy public toilet in Delhi is to the concept of cleanliness. :-) However, I would go so far as to say that even being *really* enlightened would give one no idea what happens after death; only dying does that. There *are* traditions in which one studies and even exper- iences subjectively the death and rebirth process before actually dying, as a training and preparation for it. I have trained in some of these methods, and they're defin- itely interesting, providing at least the *subjective* experience of death and the transition to a new birth. But they're subjective. As with *all* subjective exper- iences, they could have been induced by suggestion or many other things. Even though in other contexts (without seeking these experiences, them just happening on their own) I have had strong waking-state flashbacks of previous lifetimes, and even of the
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mjackson74: If Guru Dev had lived and saw what a mockery Marshy made of what Guru Dev taught he would have kicked Marshy's ass from Delhi to Kashmir and back again. So, you're thinking MMY got your bija mantra thingy wrong? Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge Catalina Island, USA, 10 October, 1961
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: If Guru Dev had lived and saw what a mockery Marshy made of what Guru Dev taught he would have kicked Marshy's ass from Delhi to Kashmir and back again. In all honesty, I've always assumed that the reason Maharishi became so reclusive -- confining himself to his room in Vlodrop and seeing almost no one except over closed-circuit TV for the last years of his life after his heart attack in an attempt to keep living -- was because on some level, being as superstitious as he was, he was terrified that after he died he'd meet Guru Dev again, and have to account for what he'd done in his name. From: Dick Mays dickmays@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 7:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge Catalina Island, USA, 10 October, 1961 Maharishi speaks about his divine master Guru Dev, His Divinity Brahmanand Saraswati, Jagadguru Bhagavan Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Bhadrikashram, Himalayas âAs Shakaracharya, he was found to have the great intellect of the first Shankaracharya and the heart of Buddha, the loveable, soft heart of Buddha and the great intellect of Shankara, and that was his personality. He wouldnât go much in details of the philosophical discussions, but what he spoke was simple truths of life, but very simple, so piercing they went straight home to heart.  Those were the meetings in open airâall the time in open, except in the rains, open air meetings. We used to have sixteen, twenty, twelve, eight, twelve big, big mics to cover the range of about 50,000 people, 100,000 peopleâlike that, just for his evening discourses. And he would hardly speak thirty minutes, forty. Forty minutes was the maximum that he went sometimes. But every word that he spoke was so powerful, was so piercing, was so convincing. First people would see him and would be transformed to all good life. Whatever remained there, buried in the subconscious, will come out when they hear his words. Very great atheists have just been transformed, not by the logic or not by the deep exposition of anything great which they did not know before, but the truth exposed in so simple words and in such great force of life-force, that they couldnât but only be transformed. The motorcar will pass from there and he would be speaking, and if the car is not very fast, if the driver happens to hear some words, immediately heâll put up the break and stop and listenâcanât pass on; he has to stop. Such charm was there in his words, and such great simplicity and depth of thought, and he charmed the child and the old all alike. It was a pin-drop silence of 50,000, 100,000 people, just pinâdrop.  Before him used to speak some big, learned Panditsâfamous, big, learned Pandits of northern India. They go with Shakaracharya all the time. That is customary, some famous astrologers in his retinue, some big, famous professors of Vedant, of Yogaâall these, they go along with him. So these big, big, huge intellectual giants used to speak before him. Some would speak one hour, some would speak half an hour like that, and there was a marked difference in what they spoke and what he spoke. And for initiations it was, it was, it was an unprecedented gathering to take initiations from him. Just it was tremendous, tremendous. Those who have seen those days have been so fortunate, and those who have seen me moving about in that atmosphere, they know how the grace of Guru Dev has dawned and how when they hear the stories in these parts, how it is happening, what is happening, then they say: Oh, it's not surprise, yes, he has received the grace of Guru Dev. All but his grace and nothing else. Except his grace, I donât have anything, and God willing the whole world is going to enjoy. So we are fortunate, and all of you are very fortunate to have his grace so far from India, but the fortune is there. Only we have to share our fortune with all our fellow men, and we have to do our utmost what we can to bring this meditation to all the people in all the ways possible for everyone of us. This, if I could have some real, good cooperation of all the people who come in my contact, it would be something. The whole world will become so full with all sublime essence of human life. Humanity will be changed into divinity just direct. We have seen his life, so we know what divine could be in manâs life: just fullness of divinity. That is all the strength that I have, and that you should fee in yourself. Such great power, such great wisdom, such great bliss. That is something about Guru Dev.
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ha! I never thought about that - I think he was in dementia those last years and his handlers put him in the room to shield the TMO from reality - if he could have dementia, then his followers would have to deal with his not being enlightened. I wonder if any of those gold tie wearin' asses will ever have the courage to tell the truth. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: If Guru Dev had lived and saw what a mockery Marshy made of what Guru Dev taught he would have kicked Marshy's ass from Delhi to Kashmir and back again. In all honesty, I've always assumed that the reason Maharishi became so reclusive -- confining himself to his room in Vlodrop and seeing almost no one except over closed-circuit TV for the last years of his life after his heart attack in an attempt to keep living -- was because on some level, being as superstitious as he was, he was terrified that after he died he'd meet Guru Dev again, and have to account for what he'd done in his name. From: Dick Mays dickmays@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 7:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge Catalina Island, USA, 10 October, 1961 Maharishi speaks about his divine master Guru Dev, His Divinity Brahmanand Saraswati, Jagadguru Bhagavan Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Bhadrikashram, Himalayas “As Shakaracharya, he was found to have the great intellect of the first Shankaracharya and the heart of Buddha, the loveable, soft heart of Buddha and the great intellect of Shankara, and that was his personality. He wouldn’t go much in details of the philosophical discussions, but what he spoke was simple truths of life, but very simple, so piercing they went straight home to heart.  Those were the meetings in open airâ€all the time in open, except in the rains, open air meetings. We used to have sixteen, twenty, twelve, eight, twelve big, big mics to cover the range of about 50,000 people, 100,000 peopleâ€like that, just for his evening discourses. And he would hardly speak thirty minutes, forty. Forty minutes was the maximum that he went sometimes. But every word that he spoke was so powerful, was so piercing, was so convincing. First people would see him and would be transformed to all good life. Whatever remained there, buried in the subconscious, will come out when they hear his words. Very great atheists have just been transformed, not by the logic or not by the deep exposition of anything great which they did not know before, but the truth exposed in so simple words and in such great force of life-force, that they couldn’t but only be transformed. The motorcar will pass from there and he would be speaking, and if the car is not very fast, if the driver happens to hear some words, immediately he’ll put up the break and stop and listenâ€can’t pass on; he has to stop. Such charm was there in his words, and such great simplicity and depth of thought, and he charmed the child and the old all alike. It was a pin-drop silence of 50,000, 100,000 people, just pinâ€drop.  Before him used to speak some big, learned Panditsâ€famous, big, learned Pandits of northern India. They go with Shakaracharya all the time. That is customary, some famous astrologers in his retinue, some big, famous professors of Vedant, of Yogaâ€all these, they go along with him. So these big, big, huge intellectual giants used to speak before him. Some would speak one hour, some would speak half an hour like that, and there was a marked difference in what they spoke and what he spoke. And for initiations it was, it was, it was an unprecedented gathering to take initiations from him. Just it was tremendous, tremendous. Those who have seen those days have been so fortunate, and those who have seen me moving about in that atmosphere, they know how the grace of Guru Dev has dawned and how when they hear the stories in these parts, how it is happening, what is happening, then they say: Oh, it's not surprise, yes, he has received the grace of Guru Dev. All but his grace and nothing else. Except his grace, I don’t have anything, and God willing the whole world is going to enjoy. So we are fortunate, and all of you are very fortunate to have his grace so far from India, but the fortune is there. Only we have to share our fortune with all our fellow men, and we have to do our utmost what we can to bring this meditation to all the people in all the ways possible for everyone of us. This, if I could have some real, good cooperation of all the people who come
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: If Guru Dev had lived and saw what a mockery Marshy made of what Guru Dev taught he would have kicked Marshy's ass from Delhi to Kashmir and back again. In all honesty, I've always assumed that the reason Maharishi became so reclusive -- confining himself to his room in Vlodrop and seeing almost no one except over closed-circuit TV for the last years of his life after his heart attack in an attempt to keep living -- was because on some level, being as superstitious as he was, he was terrified that after he died he'd meet Guru Dev again, and have to account for what he'd done in his name. I really doubt that Turq. But some of the later videos I saw seemed to indicate he had some growth, I think around his left eyebrow at some point. And he did not seem particularly dynamic in those last years. He did not have the clarity of mind of his younger self. Perhaps his visual appearance was kept under wraps. Perfect Health, you know. While I suspect he was superstitious, as are an enormous number of meditators I have known, and in fact, just about everyone I have ever met actually. Probably I have some I am not aware of. It probably was cultural, he shared a lot of the superstitions Indians have. It would have been interesting to know what he thought might happen after death, though when younger he presented that subject in the standard enlightenment form that nothing happens. What does happen experientially at death? Maybe we should ask Dr Dumbass, since we have a bona fide announcement of enlightenment from him. He should know, would you not say? This brings up another question about enlightenment. Does enlightenment have any effect on a person's superstitions? Does the tendency a person has to be superstitious decline at some point during all these practices that are said to lead to enlightenment? My view, at the moment, is enlightenment, that is, the path of enlightenment is a superstition, and when that runs its course, it evaporates, and everything is normal again. Enlightenment is the ultimate confidence game. Bernie Madoff could not cast a shadow over this con, which is the most divinely crafted subterfuge that could ever be invented, built into the structure of the world. Because it is built into to us, anyone who knows the con can pick up followers if they choose to inform of its existence. In certain ways it is a worthwhile job, but few people seem to have enough integrity to get people to the other side of the con so they are free of it. The side effects of the path of enlightenment are often worse than drug addiction for some individuals. For some it seems quite good. I think one of the reasons is people associate enlightenment with morality, but it has nothing to do with morality because it cannot make you better, it can only make you what you already are, and if you are corrupt, you may still be corrupt, though you have a chance to reform. Because it does not change who or what you are, there is a strong tendency for people to put the teacher on a platform of superiority, and people turn their lives over to the teacher, which is a serious mistake, because no human being is, in the eyes of another human being, without some kind of flaw. Ideally the teacher provides information to the student, and the student eventually stands on their own two feet and can be totally independent, but this seldom seems to happen. And so we have missionaries who in order to function need the crutch of the teacher's name to bolster them up. I really doubt that Turq. But some of the later videos I saw seemed to indicate he had some growth, I think around his left eyebrow at some point. And he did not seem particularly dynamic in those last years. He did not have the clarity of mind of his younger self. Perhaps his visual appearance was kept under wraps. Perfect Health, you know. While I suspect he was superstitious, as are an enormous number of meditators I have known, and just about everyone I have ever met actually. It probably was cultural, he shared a lot of the superstitions Indians have. It would have been interesting to know what he thought might happen after death, though when younger he presented that subject in the standard enlightenment form that nothing happens. What does happen experientially at death? Maybe we should ask Dr Dumbass, since we have a bona fide announcement of enlightenment from him. He should know, would you not say? This brings up another question about enlightenment. Does enlightenment have any effect on a person's superstitions? Does the tendency a person has to be superstitious decline at some point during all these practices that are said to lead to enlightenment? My view, at the moment, is enlightenment, that is, the path of enlightenment is a superstition, and when
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On 05/25/2013 08:27 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: mjackson74: If Guru Dev had lived and saw what a mockery Marshy made of what Guru Dev taught he would have kicked Marshy's ass from Delhi to Kashmir and back again. So, you're thinking MMY got your bija mantra thingy wrong? Beej aksharas as a meditation technique might be something you'd be more likely to get from an Indian astrologer or even an vaidya than a yoga guru.
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WLeed3: L.B's Book on Dev? You might consider keying SHRIVER in the search box. LoL! http://tinyurl.com/pah73ek
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@... wrote: Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge Catalina Island, USA, 10 October, 1961 Maharishi speaks about his divine master Guru Dev, His Divinity Brahmanand Saraswati, Jagadguru Bhagavan Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Bhadrikashram, Himalayas As Shakaracharya, he was found to have the great intellect of the first Shankaracharya and the heart of Buddha, the loveable, soft heart of Buddha and the great intellect of Shankara, and that was his personality. He wouldn't go much in details of the philosophical discussions, but what he spoke was simple truths of life, but very simple, so piercing they went straight home to heart. Those were the meetings in open airall the time in open, except in the rains, open air meetings. We used to have sixteen, twenty, twelve, eight, twelve big, big mics to cover the range of about 50,000 people, 100,000 peoplelike that, just for his evening discourses. And he would hardly speak thirty minutes, forty. Forty minutes was the maximum that he went sometimes. But every word that he spoke was so powerful, was so piercing, was so convincing. First people would see him and would be transformed to all good life. Whatever remained there, buried in the subconscious, will come out when they hear his words. Very great atheists have just been transformed, not by the logic or not by the deep exposition of anything great which they did not know before, but the truth exposed in so simple words and in such great force of life-force, that they couldn't but only be transformed. The motorcar will pass from there and he would be speaking, and if the car is not very fast, if the driver happens to hear some words, immediately he'll put up the break and stop and listencan't pass on; he has to stop. Such charm was there in his words, and such great simplicity and depth of thought, and he charmed the child and the old all alike. It was a pin-drop silence of 50,000, 100,000 people, just pindrop. Before him used to speak some big, learned Panditsfamous, big, learned Pandits of northern India. They go with Shakaracharya all the time. That is customary, some famous astrologers in his retinue, some big, famous professors of Vedant, of Yogaall these, they go along with him. So these big, big, huge intellectual giants used to speak before him. Some would speak one hour, some would speak half an hour like that, and there was a marked difference in what they spoke and what he spoke. And for initiations it was, it was, it was an unprecedented gathering to take initiations from him. Just it was tremendous, tremendous. Those who have seen those days have been so fortunate, and those who have seen me moving about in that atmosphere, they know how the grace of Guru Dev has dawned and how when they hear the stories in these parts, how it is happening, what is happening, then they say: Oh, it's not surprise, yes, he has received the grace of Guru Dev. All but his grace and nothing else. Except his grace, I don't have anything, and God willing the whole world is going to enjoy. So we are fortunate, and all of you are very fortunate to have his grace so far from India, but the fortune is there. Only we have to share our fortune with all our fellow men, and we have to do our utmost what we can to bring this meditation to all the people in all the ways possible for everyone of us. This, if I could have some real, good cooperation of all the people who come in my contact, it would be something. The whole world will become so full with all sublime essence of human life. Humanity will be changed into divinity just direct. We have seen his life, so we know what divine could be in man's life: just fullness of divinity. That is all the strength that I have, and that you should fee in yourself. Such great power, such great wisdom, such great bliss. That is something about Guru Dev. Beautiful, thanks for posting !
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How many seeds have been germinated from Guru Dev's Grace? Transcendental Meditation Organization Others? How many people other than in India have learned TM through the TMO in the past 12 months? Past 36? How many TM Centers are there in the USA? Is the TMO sustainable without donations, scholarships? Other than having 325,000? Pandits in India what is the Grande Plan for the next 20 years for the rest of the global village? What plans are in place to transition to the next generation of Rajas? If an organization were to allocate the TMO $1 Billion for each continent per year for the next 20 years would there be professional management in place to make the best use of the funds? Jai Guru Dev --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@... wrote: Guru Dev and the Revival of Knowledge Catalina Island, USA, 10 October, 1961 Maharishi speaks about his divine master Guru Dev, His Divinity Brahmanand Saraswati, Jagadguru Bhagavan Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Bhadrikashram, Himalayas As Shakaracharya, he was found to have the great intellect of the first Shankaracharya and the heart of Buddha, the loveable, soft heart of Buddha and the great intellect of Shankara, and that was his personality. He wouldn't go much in details of the philosophical discussions, but what he spoke was simple truths of life, but very simple, so piercing they went straight home to heart. Those were the meetings in open airall the time in open, except in the rains, open air meetings. We used to have sixteen, twenty, twelve, eight, twelve big, big mics to cover the range of about 50,000 people, 100,000 peoplelike that, just for his evening discourses. And he would hardly speak thirty minutes, forty. Forty minutes was the maximum that he went sometimes. But every word that he spoke was so powerful, was so piercing, was so convincing. First people would see him and would be transformed to all good life. Whatever remained there, buried in the subconscious, will come out when they hear his words. Very great atheists have just been transformed, not by the logic or not by the deep exposition of anything great which they did not know before, but the truth exposed in so simple words and in such great force of life-force, that they couldn't but only be transformed. The motorcar will pass from there and he would be speaking, and if the car is not very fast, if the driver happens to hear some words, immediately he'll put up the break and stop and listencan't pass on; he has to stop. Such charm was there in his words, and such great simplicity and depth of thought, and he charmed the child and the old all alike. It was a pin-drop silence of 50,000, 100,000 people, just pindrop. Before him used to speak some big, learned Panditsfamous, big, learned Pandits of northern India. They go with Shakaracharya all the time. That is customary, some famous astrologers in his retinue, some big, famous professors of Vedant, of Yogaall these, they go along with him. So these big, big, huge intellectual giants used to speak before him. Some would speak one hour, some would speak half an hour like that, and there was a marked difference in what they spoke and what he spoke. And for initiations it was, it was, it was an unprecedented gathering to take initiations from him. Just it was tremendous, tremendous. Those who have seen those days have been so fortunate, and those who have seen me moving about in that atmosphere, they know how the grace of Guru Dev has dawned and how when they hear the stories in these parts, how it is happening, what is happening, then they say: Oh, it's not surprise, yes, he has received the grace of Guru Dev. All but his grace and nothing else. Except his grace, I don't have anything, and God willing the whole world is going to enjoy. So we are fortunate, and all of you are very fortunate to have his grace so far from India, but the fortune is there. Only we have to share our fortune with all our fellow men, and we have to do our utmost what we can to bring this meditation to all the people in all the ways possible for everyone of us. This, if I could have some real, good cooperation of all the people who come in my contact, it would be something. The whole world will become so full with all sublime essence of human life. Humanity will be changed into divinity just direct. We have seen his life, so we know what divine could be in man's life: just fullness of divinity. That is all the strength that I have, and that you should fee in yourself. Such great power, such great wisdom, such great bliss. That is something about Guru Dev.
