[FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

[wmurphy77]

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
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> > It¹s worth about as much as ³bees come from Venus,² another
> > of Charlie¹s little gems of wisdom.
> 
> Oh, gee, did he really say that?  Bless his heart, but
> that's just hilarious.

Hey...maybe they do come from Venus, can you prove otherwise?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > on 9/7/06 11:04 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> > 
> > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > >> 
> > >> > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> > >> > 
> > >>> >> It¹s worth about as much as ³bees come from
> > Venus,² another
> > >>> >> of Charlie¹s little gems of wisdom.
> > >> > 
> > >> > Oh, gee, did he really say that?  Bless his
> > heart, but
> > >> > that's just hilarious.
> > > 
> > He used to say all kinds of wild stuff. He read a
> > lot of esoteric books and
> > then parroted the information as if he had
> > personally received it from the
> > Great White Brotherhood.
> 
> The last time I saw Charlie was in Iowa City. It must
> have been 1990 or 1991. He gave a long esoteric
> lecture about blood. Just ridiculous. It was the first
> time I realized that Charlie didn't have some sort of
> cosmic pipeline to the truth that so many of us
> thought he had. He also criticised a TM-Sidha who said
> he had taken SSRS's Sudarshan Kriya course by saying,
> "Shame on you. Maharishi has given you the keys to the
> kingdom of heaven. Nothing else is needed." I knew
> that he did not have the TM-Sidhi program and I
> thought out of what authority does he speak? I'll
> always love Charlie, but he was not the great sage of
> truth that we starry-eyed  TMer's thought he was.   >>>

You mean YOU starry-eyed TMer thought he was.
You may have lisetened to Lutes, but you were in the minority there 
bud. Most everyone else saw him for what he was...ie. not much.
Maharishi once said long ago that "We love Charlie, but we don't 
listen to what he says"
You kept listenting though...
Now you are listening to a half-baked, watered down, less 
intelligent, inneffective clone of Maharishi.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

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> --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I know, I just hadn't heard this particular bit of,
> > um,
> > knowledge.  I went to one of his lectures in NYC
> > years
> > ago and tuned out when he started describing his
> > latest encounter with fairies in the garden.
> 
> Greenwich Village fairies? (sorry)...Judy, i went
> to a charlie lecture in NYC in, let me think, 1975.
> Did we cross paths?

Don't think so; this would have been late '70s,
early '80s.  By that time he was persona non
grata with the movement, and the Manhattan Center
recommended we not attend the lecture.  It was
full of TMers, including many teachers.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

[Peter]

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> on 9/7/06 10:29 PM, jyouells2000 at
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> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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> >> > , gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> Charlie said MAXIMUM seven lifetimes. Of
> course,
> >>> >> that's just more nonsense.
> >> > 
> >> > If I remember Charlie correctly, as gullible
> fool says, a MAXIMUM
> >> > of seven lifetimes ('even if you get on the
> path and sit down'), most
> >> > in 3 lifetimes, some in 2 lifetimes and very
> few this lifetime
> >> > (holding up one hand full of fingers). For what
> it's worth.
> > 
> It¹s worth about as much as ³bees come from Venus,²
> another of Charlie¹s
> little gems of wisdom.

I think Charlie really got a kick out of the near
absolute authority we handed over to him. He only
abused it by allowing us to believe all this
"spiritual claptrap" came from his own enlightened
consciousness. I think Charlie wanted to be a movie
star and this was as close as he was going to get.
Contrast Charlie with Jerry Jarvis. Charlie was an
entertainer while Jerry was an educator. Jerry gave
you the entree while charlie was the exotic dessert.  





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

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> > He used to say all kinds of wild stuff. He read a
> > lot of esoteric books and
> > then parroted the information as if he had
> > personally received it from the
> > Great White Brotherhood.
> 
> The last time I saw Charlie was in Iowa City. It must
> have been 1990 or 1991. He gave a long esoteric
> lecture about blood. Just ridiculous. ... I'll
> always love Charlie, but he was not the great sage of
> truth that we starry-eyed TMer's thought he was.   

I don't think I was ever a starry-eyed TMer, and
I definitely never thought he had any kind of 
pipeline to any useful knowledge, but I used to 
go to his Friday night talks in L.A. regularly, 
because it was the best place in town for a TM 
guy to get lucky. 

The women would go and listen to him and get all
starry-eyed and feel that lower chakra kundalini 
energy flowing, and then they'd go for the first 
non-celibate guy they ran into. Even non-TM guys 
knew about the scene and would go there looking 
to get laid, usually successfully.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

[Peter]

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> on 9/7/06 11:04 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >> 
> >> > , Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > 
> >>> >> It¹s worth about as much as ³bees come from
> Venus,² another
> >>> >> of Charlie¹s little gems of wisdom.
> >> > 
> >> > Oh, gee, did he really say that?  Bless his
> heart, but
> >> > that's just hilarious.
> > 
> He used to say all kinds of wild stuff. He read a
> lot of esoteric books and
> then parroted the information as if he had
> personally received it from the
> Great White Brotherhood.

The last time I saw Charlie was in Iowa City. It must
have been 1990 or 1991. He gave a long esoteric
lecture about blood. Just ridiculous. It was the first
time I realized that Charlie didn't have some sort of
cosmic pipeline to the truth that so many of us
thought he had. He also criticised a TM-Sidha who said
he had taken SSRS's Sudarshan Kriya course by saying,
"Shame on you. Maharishi has given you the keys to the
kingdom of heaven. Nothing else is needed." I knew
that he did not have the TM-Sidhi program and I
thought out of what authority does he speak? I'll
always love Charlie, but he was not the great sage of
truth that we starry-eyed  TMer's thought he was.   





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

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> > on 9/7/06 11:04 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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> > >> > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> > >> > 
> > >>> >> It¹s worth about as much as ³bees come from
> Venus,² another
> > >>> >> of Charlie¹s little gems of wisdom.
> > >> > 
> > >> > Oh, gee, did he really say that?  Bless his
> heart, but
> > >> > that's just hilarious.
> > > 
> > He used to say all kinds of wild stuff. He read a
> lot of
> > esoteric books and then parroted the information
> as if he
> > had personally received it from the Great White
> Brotherhood.
> 
> I know, I just hadn't heard this particular bit of,
> um,
> knowledge.  I went to one of his lectures in NYC
> years
> ago and tuned out when he started describing his
> latest encounter with fairies in the garden.

Greenwich Village fairies? (sorry)...Judy, i went
to a charlie lecture in NYC in, let me think, 1975.
Did we cross paths?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

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> on 9/7/06 11:04 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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> >> > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> >> > 
> >>> >> It¹s worth about as much as ³bees come from Venus,² another
> >>> >> of Charlie¹s little gems of wisdom.
> >> > 
> >> > Oh, gee, did he really say that?  Bless his heart, but
> >> > that's just hilarious.
> > 
> He used to say all kinds of wild stuff. He read a lot of
> esoteric books and then parroted the information as if he
> had personally received it from the Great White Brotherhood.

I know, I just hadn't heard this particular bit of, um,
knowledge.  I went to one of his lectures in NYC years
ago and tuned out when he started describing his
latest encounter with fairies in the garden.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".





on 9/7/06 11:04 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
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>> It’s worth about as much as “bees come from Venus,” another
>> of Charlie’s little gems of wisdom.
> 
> Oh, gee, did he really say that?  Bless his heart, but
> that's just hilarious.

He used to say all kinds of wild stuff. He read a lot of esoteric books and then parroted the information as if he had personally received it from the Great White Brotherhood.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

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> It¹s worth about as much as ³bees come from Venus,² another
> of Charlie¹s little gems of wisdom.

Oh, gee, did he really say that?  Bless his heart, but
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".





on 9/7/06 10:29 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
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>> 
>> Charlie said MAXIMUM seven lifetimes. Of course,
>> that's just more nonsense.
> 
> If I remember Charlie correctly, as gullible fool says, a MAXIMUM
> of seven lifetimes ('even if you get on the path and sit down'), most
> in 3 lifetimes, some in 2 lifetimes and very few this lifetime
> (holding up one hand full of fingers). For what it's worth. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

[jyouells2000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Charlie said MAXIMUM seven lifetimes. Of course,
> that's just more nonsense.

If I remember Charlie correctly, as gullible fool says, a MAXIMUM
of seven lifetimes ('even if you get on the path and sit down'), most
in 3 lifetimes, some in 2 lifetimes and very few this lifetime
(holding up one hand full of fingers). For what it's worth. 

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> > Hey, who knew it was gonna take us 7 lifetimes to
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> > had to get THAT from Charlie!!!  By the way, if MMY
> > was giving intros 
> > suggesting that in 7 lifetimes you would finally
> > achieve what he was 
> > teaching would YOU have started???  Hardly!
> > Chakras??? forget it! He 
> > might as well have been talking about UFO's, you
> > must remember his goal 
> > was/is to regenerate the world (modernity) and
> > India, of course. 
> > that's it Tm is Yoga for modernity short all the
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
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> 
> snip
> > Hey, perhaps you are on your seventh as we speak! Seriously, as a 
> > hypothesis the reason all of us were attracted to TM in the first 
> > place could be because of past lifetimes doing some form of 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

[wmurphy77]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>  
> In a message dated 9/7/06 10:19:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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>  
>  
>  
> Hey, who knew it was gonna take us 7 lifetimes to reach CC...Ha, 
Ha! We  
> had to get THAT from Charlie!!! By the way, if MMY was giving 
intros  
> suggesting that in 7 lifetimes you would finally achieve what he 
was  
> teaching would YOU have started??? Hardly! Chakras??? forget it! 
He  
> might as well have been talking about UFO's, you must remember his 
goal  
> was/is to regenerate the world (modernity) and India, of 
course.  
> that's it Tm is Yoga for modernity short all the controversial  
> stuff...OK, OK, so Yogic flying is a little, shall we say, 
weird!  :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If one is thinking in terms of 7 life times to CC then he has an 
awful lot  
> of hope for the future, not that that is bad. Krishna says in the 
Gita , only  
> after many life times of this practice. Of course, as M says, this 
is a point  
> most people would find discouraging so he came up with the 
explanation that  
> each time one transcends, that counts as a life time, which makes 
Krishna's  
> statement a little easier to swallow. I'm more inclined to take 
Krishna's  
> statement literally.

I think both comments are apt!  They both apply, when one transcends, 
it is the same process that occurs at death, the withdrawal of the 
life force, etc. (except the two lower ethers) even the heart stops, 
so there you go, however, even so, it requires many births 
(literally) for most of us.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>  
> In a message dated 9/7/06 10:19:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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>  
>  
>  
> Hey, who knew it was gonna take us 7 lifetimes to reach CC...Ha, 
Ha! We  
> had to get THAT from Charlie!!! By the way, if MMY was giving 
intros  
> suggesting that in 7 lifetimes you would finally achieve what he 
was  
> teaching would YOU have started??? Hardly! Chakras??? forget it! 
He  
> might as well have been talking about UFO's, you must remember his 
goal  
> was/is to regenerate the world (modernity) and India, of 
course.  
> that's it Tm is Yoga for modernity short all the 
controversial  
> stuff...OK, OK, so Yogic flying is a little, shall we say, 
weird!  :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If one is thinking in terms of 7 life times to CC then he has an 
awful lot  
> of hope for the future, not that that is bad. Krishna says in the 
Gita , only  
> after many life times of this practice. Of course, as M says, this 
is a point  
> most people would find discouraging so he came up with the 
explanation that  
> each time one transcends, that counts as a life time, which makes 
Krishna's  
> statement a little easier to swallow. I'm more inclined to take 
Krishna's  
> statement literally.
>
Hey, perhaps you are on your seventh as we speak! Seriously, as a 
hypothesis the reason all of us were attracted to TM in the first 
place could be because of past lifetimes doing some form of 
meditation.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Helen Lutes once said, "MMY tricked us into meditating".

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey, who knew it was gonna take us 7 lifetimes to reach CC...Ha, Ha! 
We 
> had to get THAT from Charlie!!!  By the way, if MMY was giving 
intros 
> suggesting that in 7 lifetimes you would finally achieve what he was 
> teaching would YOU have started???  Hardly! Chakras??? forget it! He 
> might as well have been talking about UFO's, you must remember his 
goal 
> was/is to regenerate the world (modernity) and India, of course. 
> that's it Tm is Yoga for modernity short all the controversial 
> stuff...OK, OK, so Yogic flying is a little, shall we say, weird! :-)
>
The 'seven lifetimes to reach CC' formula sounds like an ungrounded 
statement, just like it was ungrounded for Maharishi to purportedly 
declare that people doing TM would become enlightened in 3-5 years. 

I mean, all kinds of people begin TM. Some become enlightened more 
quickly and some less quickly. The whole fascination with how long it 
will take us to become enlightened seems to me to be on par with 
putting our faith in winning the lottery. 

The best we can do for our spiritual evolution is follow those wise 
words, seek and you shall find. I do recall years ago Maharishi saying 
something like gaining enlightenment is like making our fortune 
selling pencils, selling one pencil at a time-- a far more accurate 
statement in my view.





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