[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary is deranged

2008-05-25 Thread boo_lives
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 From: 
 
 To Claim Popular Vote, Clinton Is Seeking Wins in Last 3 Primaries
 
 By Anne E. Kornblut and Dan Balz
 Washington Post Staff Writers
 Sunday, May 25, 2008; A08
 
 
 Clinton also appears to have hurt her case by comparing the cause of
 seating the delegations [Florida and Michigan] with the abolition of
 slavery and the disputed election in Zimbabwe . . . . Knowledgeable
 Democrats said those comments have played poorly with the very people
 she needs most right now, superdelegates and members of the rules
 committee.

This winning the popular vote claim is bogus.  The way the clintons
get there is by counting hillary's vote in michigan but not giving
obama any votes there, which is absurd, plus they don't count the
caucus states.  Hillary's all for counting all the votes, well I spent
a lot of time participating in the iowa caucus, why does my vote not
count?  Same for all the other caucus states.  If you actually count
all the votes obama wins easily.

Plus, this is a primary election, the popular vote doesn't matter -
it's about delegates.  No-one's ever thought about counting the
popular vote in a primary election before.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary is deranged

2008-05-25 Thread authfriend
This is 50 for me this week. See you all next Saturday.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
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 This winning the popular vote claim is bogus.  The way the
 clintons get there is by counting hillary's vote in michigan
 but not giving obama any votes there, which is absurd, plus
 they don't count the caucus states.

Please see my post Clinton Has the Numbers from the
Philly Inquirer about the various different ways
Clinton could get there with the popular vote.

  Hillary's all for counting all the votes, well I spent
 a lot of time participating in the iowa caucus, why does my
 vote not count?  Same for all the other caucus states.  If
 you actually count all the votes obama wins easily.

Please see Clinton Has the Numbers, particularly
categories 2 and 6, which include estimated caucus
votes.

 Plus, this is a primary election, the popular vote doesn't
 matter - it's about delegates.  No-one's ever thought about
 counting the popular vote in a primary election before.

I'm not sure there's ever been a primary election
where the popular vote and the delegate count were
in conflict, certainly not since the current delegate
system was adopted. No one's thought about it before
because there was no reason to think about it. This
time, there is.

See my post #177815, which quotes from a column by
ABC's Cokie Roberts and her husband, Steve, about
how the current system makes it more likely, in a
close race, that the delegate count and the popular
vote will be at odds because of the weird way
delegates are apportioned.

Regardless of what's supposed to count, it's very
bad P.R. for the party and the winning candidate not
to have won the popular vote. Normally that doesn't
happen; this time, it may very well happen, and it
could be a big negative in the general election.