[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, Samadhi requires long periods of silent medita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/23/07 12:03:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > So,you know this idea that TM'ers are reaching Samadhi in their > > regular meditations 2X20 is just theory pertaining to the bubble > > diagram, 'some day' you will actually transcend relativity and that > > experience will be so profound it will change your life forever. > This > > idea that I transcended and forgot the experience is not Samadhi, > > Samadhi is something you'll NEVER forget! > > > > I transcended , clearly, my second day after initiation. No mantra, no > thoughts, only self experiencing Self. Two months after initiation and one day > after my first residence course, I experienced leshavidya. The universe inside > and outside of my pencil line body, 360' vision of the universe, Om and a light > passing through my head like a comet passes through the solar system. No big > deal after nine month teacher training and six month age of enlightenment > courses. I'm happy you had that experience, once!
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, Samadhi requires long periods of silent medita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/23/07 12:03:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > So,you know this idea that TM'ers are reaching Samadhi in their > > regular meditations 2X20 is just theory pertaining to the bubble > > diagram, 'some day' you will actually transcend relativity and that > > experience will be so profound it will change your life forever. > This > > idea that I transcended and forgot the experience is not Samadhi, > > Samadhi is something you'll NEVER forget! First of all, according to Vyaasa's Yoga-suutra-bhaaSya, "yoga is samaadhi" (yogaH samaadhiH). OTOH, according to Patañjali yoga is nirodha of citta-vRtti's (yogash citta-vRtti-nirodhaH). Can one then conclude that samaadhi is citta-vRtti-nirodha as well? Be it as it may, citta-vRtti's are: pramaaNa, viparyaya, vikalpa, nidraa and smRti (memory). Can one then say, that samaadhi is, amongst other things, smRti-nirodha? If one can, it seems impossible one could remember samaadhi?! :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, Samadhi requires long periods of silent medita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can one then say, that samaadhi is, amongst other things, smRti-nirodha? If one can, it seems impossible one could remember samaadhi?! :D Edg: If a true samaadhi, Pure Being, amness, is the experience, only the Absolute can be said to be the witness of it -- not that that is correct since we agree to define the Absolute as beyond concepts, but there can be no sense of motion, energy, time, space, ANY THING in samaadhi since when the gunas are balanced all qualities are merged, like drops of water into the ocean, into Pure Being. There is no duality for an observer/observed. Only the Absolute, which is not merely Pure Being but utterly beyond it as well, can be "inserted" into this scenario and thus we can artificially create -- for the sake of handling the unhandleable -- a "duality" of sorts -- Being and Absolute. A pure fantasy, but instructive in that one can ask a meaningful question: should one's identity can be placed upon Pure Being, or the Absolute? But the Absolute cannot be identified with since it is identity itselfthe "only" "real" "thing." Arrrgh! So no memory of samaadhi can be expected. If there is one, then most likely it is a memory of some ritam-event preceding the samaadhi or after samaadhi -- these events will leave traces, but samaadhi is a non-event except for the sound OM and OM is like a line on air, nay, a line in space, nay, a line on consciousness where any trace that can be imagined must disappear as instantly as it appears. In samaadhi therefore, no sin -- no locked-in identification that must be undone, later, for full realization. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, Samadhi requires long periods of silent medita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First of all, according to Vyaasa's Yoga-suutra-bhaaSya, "yoga > is samaadhi" (yogaH samaadhiH). OTOH, according to Patañjali > yoga is nirodha of citta-vRtti's (yogash citta-vRtti-nirodhaH). > Can one then conclude that samaadhi is citta-vRtti-nirodha as > well? > Be it as it may, citta-vRtti's are: pramaaNa, viparyaya, vikalpa, > nidraa and smRti (memory). Can one then say, that samaadhi > is, amongst other things, smRti-nirodha? If one can, it seems > impossible one could remember samaadhi?! :D Crd-I think Samaadhi was meant to be lived and not rmembered. Although once one has an experience of saaamadhi it leaves such an impression (saaamskara) that it dictates the rest of your life. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, Samadhi requires long periods of silent medita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > > First of all, according to Vyaasa's Yoga-suutra-bhaaSya, "yoga > > is samaadhi" (yogaH samaadhiH). OTOH, according to Patañjali > > yoga is nirodha of citta-vRtti's (yogash citta-vRtti-nirodhaH). > > Can one then conclude that samaadhi is citta-vRtti-nirodha as > > well? > > Be it as it may, citta-vRtti's are: pramaaNa, viparyaya, vikalpa, > > nidraa and smRti (memory). Can one then say, that samaadhi > > is, amongst other things, smRti-nirodha? If one can, it seems > > impossible one could remember samaadhi?! :D > > Crd-I think Samaadhi was meant to be lived and not rmembered. > Although once one has an experience of saaamadhi it leaves such an > impression (saaamskara) that it dictates the rest of your life. :- ) > Tanks phor te god fod phor tougt! :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, Samadhi requires long periods of silent medita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister Can
> one then say, that samaadhi is, amongst other things, smRti-
nirodha?
> If one can, it seems impossible one could remember samaadhi?! :D
>
>
> Edg: If a true samaadhi, Pure Being, amness, is the experience,
only
> the Absolute can be said to be the witness of it -- not that that
is
> correct since we agree to define the Absolute as beyond concepts,
but
> there can be no sense of motion, energy, time, space, ANY THING in
> samaadhi since when the gunas are balanced all qualities are
merged,
> like drops of water into the ocean, into Pure Being. There is no
> duality for an observer/observed. Only the Absolute, which is not
> merely Pure Being but utterly beyond it as well, can be "inserted"
> into this scenario and thus we can artificially create -- for the
sake
> of handling the unhandleable -- a "duality" of sorts -- Being and
> Absolute. A pure fantasy, but instructive in that one can ask a
> meaningful question: should one's identity can be placed upon Pure
> Being, or the Absolute? But the Absolute cannot be identified with
> since it is identity itselfthe "only" "real" "thing."
>
> Arrrgh!
>
> So no memory of samaadhi can be expected. If there is one, then
most
> likely it is a memory of some ritam-event preceding the samaadhi or
> after samaadhi -- these events will leave traces, but samaadhi is a
> non-event except for the sound OM and OM is like a line on air,
nay, a
> line in space, nay, a line on consciousness where any trace that
can
> be imagined must disappear as instantly as it appears. In samaadhi
> therefore, no sin -- no locked-in identification that must be
undone,
> later, for full realization.
>
> Edg
>
Whoa! That was cool!
According to Patañjali, /sattva/ and /puruSa/
are /atyanta-asaMkiirNa/:
sattva-puruSayor atyantaasaMkiirnayoH pratyayaavisheSo bhogaH...
(IV 35 [36])
atyanta mfn. beyond the proper end or limit ; excessive , very
great , very strong ; endless , unbroken , perpetual ; absolute ,
perfect ; (%{am}) ind. excessively , exceedingly , in perpetuity ,
absolutely , completely ; to the end ;
asaMkIrNa mfn. unmixed ; not unclean Sus3r.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, Samadhi requires long periods of silent medita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > wrote: > > > > > > > First of all, according to Vyaasa's Yoga-suutra-bhaaSya, "yoga > > > is samaadhi" (yogaH samaadhiH). OTOH, according to Patañjali > > > yoga is nirodha of citta-vRtti's (yogash citta-vRtti-nirodhaH). > > > Can one then conclude that samaadhi is citta-vRtti-nirodha as > > > well? > > > Be it as it may, citta-vRtti's are: pramaaNa, viparyaya, vikalpa, > > > nidraa and smRti (memory). Can one then say, that samaadhi > > > is, amongst other things, smRti-nirodha? If one can, it seems > > > impossible one could remember samaadhi?! :D > > > > Crd-I think Samaadhi was meant to be lived and not > rmembered. > > Although once one has an experience of saaamadhi it leaves such an > > impression (saaamskara) that it dictates the rest of your life. :- > ) > > > > Tanks phor te god fod phor tougt! :D Yeaah...you betcha.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, Samadhi requires long periods of silent medita...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/23/07 12:59:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I transcended , clearly, my second day after initiation. No mantra, no > > thoughts, only self experiencing Self. Two months after initiation > and one day > > after my first residence course, I experienced leshavidya. The > universe inside > > and outside of my pencil line body, 360' vision of the universe, Om > and a light > > passing through my head like a comet passes through the solar > system. No big > > deal after nine month teacher training and six month age of > enlightenment > > courses. > > I'm happy you had that experience, once! > Once? Sounds like an outstanding experience, one that MMY was hoping for us all I'm sure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, Samadhi requires long periods of silent medita...
In a message dated 10/23/07 12:03:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So,you know this idea that TM'ers are reaching Samadhi in their > regular meditations 2X20 is just theory pertaining to the bubble > diagram, 'some day' you will actually transcend relativity and that > experience will be so profound it will change your life forever. This > idea that I transcended and forgot the experience is not Samadhi, > Samadhi is something you'll NEVER forget! I transcended , clearly, my second day after initiation. No mantra, no thoughts, only self experiencing Self. Two months after initiation and one day after my first residence course, I experienced leshavidya. The universe inside and outside of my pencil line body, 360' vision of the universe, Om and a light passing through my head like a comet passes through the solar system. No big deal after nine month teacher training and six month age of enlightenment courses. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, Samadhi requires long periods of silent medita...
In a message dated 10/23/07 12:59:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I transcended , clearly, my second day after initiation. No mantra, no > thoughts, only self experiencing Self. Two months after initiation and one day > after my first residence course, I experienced leshavidya. The universe inside > and outside of my pencil line body, 360' vision of the universe, Om and a light > passing through my head like a comet passes through the solar system. No big > deal after nine month teacher training and six month age of enlightenment > courses. I'm happy you had that experience, once! Once? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, Samadhi requires long periods of silent medita...
On Oct 23, 2007, at 5:53 PM, Duveyoung wrote: So no memory of samaadhi can be expected. If there is one, then most likely it is a memory of some ritam-event preceding the samaadhi or after samaadhi -- these events will leave traces, but samaadhi is a non-event except for the sound OM and OM is like a line on air, nay, a line in space, nay, a line on consciousness where any trace that can be imagined must disappear as instantly as it appears. In samaadhi therefore, no sin -- no locked-in identification that must be undone, later, for full realization. There are different forms of open-eyed samadhi, which don't have these disadvantages of the introverted samadhis. Samadhi has to be integrated with all of life. As the late great meditation master, Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche points out: "We should experience everything totally, never withdrawing into ourselves as a marmot hides in its hole [i.e.in an introverted samadhi]. This practice releases tremendous energy which is usually constricted by the process of maintaining fixed reference points. Referentiality is the process by which we retreat from the direct experience of everyday life. Being present in the moment may initially trigger fear. But by welcoming the sensation of fear with complete openness, we cut through the barriers created by habitual emotional patterns. When we engage in the practice of discovering space, we should develop the feeling of opening ourselves out completely to the entire universe. We should open ourselves with absolute simplicity and nakedness of mind. This is the powerful and ordinary practice of dropping the mask of self-protection. We shouldn't make a division in our meditation between perception and field of perception. We shouldn't become like a cat watching a mouse. We should realise that the purpose of meditation is not to go "deeply into ourselves" or withdraw from the world. Practice should be free and non-conceptual, unconstrained by introspection and concentration."
