Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible Israel

2006-08-26 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/24/06 6:34:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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   The purchases come at a time when Iran is refusing to bow to 
  growing  Western demands to halt its nuclear program, and after 
  Iranian  President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for Israel to be 
  "wiped off  the map."  The new submarines, built 
  at a cost of $1.3 billion with Germany  footing one-third of the bill, 
  have propulsion systems that allow  them to remain submerged for 
  longer periods of time than the three  nuclear-capable submarines 
  already in Israel's fleet, the Jerusalem  Post 
  reported.What a load of cr*p- Germany discounts one-third and US 
  ponies up the rest. Gee, who is egging on this conflict hoping for greater 
  weapon sales? H and wasn't Germany in the news just yesterday 
  saying it rejects the Iran proposal regarding uranium enrichment? What a 
  stupid, greedy way to make money- I hope both subs sink to the ocean 
  floor... 

Right, we sure wouldn't want Israel to have a means of deterrence now would 
we? Maybe Israel should disband it's army to show the world that they are 
at peace with all their neighbors and leave any terrorism incidences up to 
policing.Yeah, that's the ticket! 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible Israel

2006-08-24 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 y RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI, Associated Press Writer 
 54 minutes ago
  
 
 
 JERUSALEM - With the purchase of two more German-made Dolphin 
 submarines capable of carrying nuclear warheads, military experts 
 sayIsrael is sending a clear message toIran that 
it 
 can strike back if attacked by nuclear weapons. 
 
 The purchases come at a time when Iran is refusing to bow to 
growing 
 Western demands to halt its nuclear program, and after Iranian 
 President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for Israel to be wiped 
off 
 the map.
 
 The new submarines, built at a cost of $1.3 billion with Germany 
 footing one-third of the bill, have propulsion systems that allow 
 them to remain submerged for longer periods of time than the three 
 nuclear-capable submarines already in Israel's fleet, the 
Jerusalem 
 Post reported.

What a load of cr*p- Germany discounts one-third and US ponies up 
the rest. Gee, who is egging on this conflict hoping for greater 
weapon sales? H and wasn't Germany in  the news just 
yesterday saying it rejects the Iran proposal regarding uranium 
enrichment? What a stupid, greedy way to make money- I hope both 
subs sink to the ocean floor...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible Israel

2006-08-24 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 What they (the submarines) are is a very good insurance 
 policy.


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They are not in any way an insurance policy. The nuclear weapons of 
the U.S. are a deterrent of sorts against massive attacks conducted 
by governments, but not against rogue attacks carried out covertly 
(a ship of Liberian registry slips into NY harbor and detonates an 
atomic bomb, provenance unknown -- a private submarine comes to 
within 50 miles of the U.S. coast and pops a cruise missile with 
atomic weapons, time from launch to detonation over D.C., 45 
seconds). 

Israel is a small country and a very small number of nukes launched 
covertly, without the approval or knowledge of the nations from 
which the missiles are launched, could obliterate this country, 
which is as narrow as ten miles wide in some places (as is obvious, 
Lebanon is one of those countries with weak governments which cannot 
control actions of militants within its borders). So there is there 
no real deterrent effect to Israel's nuclear weapons, because you 
can't deter small rogue groups, only governments. Israeli nuclear 
sabre rattling amounts, as author Seymour Hersh suggested in the 
title of his book on Israel's nukes, to being the Samson option 
(the blinded Samson knocks down the pillars and kills everybody 
including himself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson )





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