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Just to follow up... From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com But if you were trying to say that I consider America the most creative in the arts, that is simply not true. I consider a tiny, tiny portion of American TV and movie content good enough to watch. The best and most consistently creative television in the world is being made in Denmark right now, with other parts of Scandinavia close behind. Many of the TV series you probably consider American and thus creative were pure ripoffs of Danish TV series, from The Killing to The Bridge to (soon) Mammon. There is no creativity in remaking a foreign TV series, and succeeding only in making a shittier version in English. It's amusing for me to notice -- especially after my tiny, tiny portion comment above -- that of the 105 American TV series on the following list of either canceled or renewed shows, I regularly watch only one of the canceled shows ( Crisis, and I watched it only so I could lust after Gillian Anderson :-), and only watch 5 of the renewed shows. This is amusing to me because when I was writing my original reply to Steve, I was considering invoking Sturgeon's Law to describe American television. That law, named for the scifi writer who coined it, Theodore Sturgeon, is as true today as it was when he first quipped it back in the 1950s: 90% of everything is crap. Well, it turns out that I only bother to watch about 5% of the TV shows on American broadcast channels. :-) UPDATE (May 10 at 3:30 p.m.): NBC canceled Dracula. UPDATE (May 10 at 3 p.m.): ABC renewed Last Man Standing. UPDATE (May 10 at 2:10 p.m.): CBS renewed The Mentalist for a seventh season and canceled Intelligence, Hostages, The Crazy Ones, Bad Teacher and Friends With Better Lives. CANCELED SHOWS NBC Believe Community Crisis Growing Up Fisher Revolution The Michael J. Fox Show Sean Saves The World Welcome To The Family Ironside FOX Dads Rake Surviving Jack Enlisted Raising Hope The X Factor Almost Human ABC Suburgatory Trophy Wife Super Fun Night Lucky 7 Mind Games Mixology Once Upon A Time In Wonderland Killer Woman Betrayal The Assets Back In The Game The Neighbors CBS We Are Men The CW The Carrie Diaries Star-Crossed The Tomorrow People RENEWED SHOWS NBC About A Boy The Blacklist Chicago PD Grimm Chicago Fire Hannibal Law Order: SVU Parks Recreation The Voice FOX Bob's Burgers Bones American Idol Brooklyn Nine-Nine Family Guy Glee Hell's Kitchen MasterChef Junior The Following The Mindy Project New Girl Sleepy Hollow The Simpsons ABC Nashville Scandal Castle The Bachelor Dancing With The Stars Marvel's Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. The Middle Modern Family Revenge Shark Tank Once Upon A Time Resurrection Grey's Anatomy The Goldbergs America's Funniest Home Videos CBS 2 Broke Girls The Amazing Race The Big Bang Theory Blue Bloods Criminal Minds CSI 48 Hours 60 Minutes Elementary The Good Wife Hawaii Five-0 Mike Molly Undercover Boss NCIS The Millers Mom NCIS: Los Angeles Person of Interest Survivor Two and a Half Men The CW The 100 Arrow Beauty and the Beast The Originals Reign Hart of Dixie The Vampire Diaries Supernatural
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Interesting list. I don't have specific criteria for why I watch or don't watch shows. Some quality shows I don't bother watching, and some obvious pot-boilers, I do. The only pattern is that I tend to enjoy fantasy scifi, even badly done fantasy scifi, as long as it isn't horrible beyond belief, and even then, if I still somehow am entertained. I find anime far more fun, in general, than most non-anime, but that may be partly because I am quite faceblind, so I often get similar-looking characters confused in live-action shows, while animators make sure that the average character is easily distinguished. Here's my list of watched American hows taken from your list: CANCELED SHOWS NBC Believe Community FOX Almost Human ABC CBS The CW Star-Crossed The Tomorrow People RENEWED SHOWS NBC Grimm FOX Bones Sleepy Hollow The Simpsons ABC Castle Marvel's Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Modern Family Once Upon A Time Resurrection CBS The Big Bang Theory Elementary NCIS NCIS: Los Angeles Person of Interest The CW The 100 Arrow Beauty and the Beast The Originals The Vampire Diaries Supernatural ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just to follow up... From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com But if you were trying to say that I consider America the most creative in the arts, that is simply not true. I consider a tiny, tiny portion of American TV and movie content good enough to watch. The best and most consistently creative television in the world is being made in Denmark right now, with other parts of Scandinavia close behind. Many of the TV series you probably consider American and thus creative were pure ripoffs of Danish TV series, from The Killing to The Bridge to (soon) Mammon. There is no creativity in remaking a foreign TV series, and succeeding only in making a shittier version in English. It's amusing for me to notice -- especially after my tiny, tiny portion comment above -- that of the 105 American TV series on the following list of either canceled or renewed shows, I regularly watch only one of the canceled shows ( Crisis, and I watched it only so I could lust after Gillian Anderson :-), and only watch 5 of the renewed shows. This is amusing to me because when I was writing my original reply to Steve, I was considering invoking Sturgeon's Law to describe American television. That law, named for the scifi writer who coined it, Theodore Sturgeon, is as true today as it was when he first quipped it back in the 1950s: 90% of everything is crap. Well, it turns out that I only bother to watch about 5% of the TV shows on American broadcast channels. :-) UPDATE (May 10 at 3:30 p.m.): NBC canceled Dracula. http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/10/dracula-canceled/ UPDATE (May 10 at 3 p.m.): ABC renewed Last Man Standing. http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/10/last-man-standing-renewed-for-4th-season/ UPDATE (May 10 at 2:10 p.m.): CBS renewed The Mentalist http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/10/mentalist-renewed-canceled/ for a seventh season and canceled Intelligence, Hostages, The Crazy Ones, Bad Teacher and Friends With Better Lives. CANCELED SHOWS NBC Believe Community Crisis Growing Up Fisher Revolution The Michael J. Fox Show Sean Saves The World Welcome To The Family Ironside FOX Dads Rake Surviving Jack Enlisted Raising Hope The X Factor Almost Human ABC Suburgatory Trophy Wife Super Fun Night Lucky 7 Mind Games Mixology Once Upon A Time In Wonderland Killer Woman Betrayal The Assets Back In The Game The Neighbors CBS We Are Men The CW The Carrie Diaries Star-Crossed The Tomorrow People RENEWED SHOWS NBC About A Boy The Blacklist Chicago PD Grimm Chicago Fire Hannibal Law Order: SVU Parks Recreation The Voice FOX Bob's Burgers Bones American Idol Brooklyn Nine-Nine Family Guy Glee Hell's Kitchen MasterChef Junior The Following The Mindy Project New Girl Sleepy Hollow The Simpsons ABC Nashville Scandal Castle The Bachelor Dancing With The Stars Marvel's Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. The Middle Modern Family Revenge Shark Tank Once Upon A Time Resurrection Grey's Anatomy The Goldbergs America's Funniest Home Videos CBS 2 Broke Girls The Amazing Race The Big Bang Theory Blue Bloods Criminal Minds CSI 48 Hours 60 Minutes Elementary The Good Wife Hawaii Five-0 Mike Molly Undercover Boss NCIS The Millers Mom NCIS: Los Angeles Person of Interest Survivor Two and a Half Men The CW The 100 Arrow Beauty and the Beast The Originals Reign Hart of Dixie The Vampire Diaries Supernatural
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One of the things to bear in mind when regarding my American TV preferences is that the terms broadcast and cable mean nothing to me. I live in a Pirate-friendly country, and thus can watch pretty much everything the day after it was broadcast originally, whether on a normal channel like NBC or a pay channel like Showtime or HBO or even Netflix. So there are a few other series that I like that aren't on this list that come from the pay channels. There are also others I like that are from Canada, like Continuum, Orphan Black, and Lost Girl. Interesting reason for preferring anime -- I had never considered the issue of faceblindness before. That would certainly make Game Of Thrones, with its cast of possibly hundreds of recurring characters, difficult to follow. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought Interesting list. I don't have specific criteria for why I watch or don't watch shows. Some quality shows I don't bother watching, and some obvious pot-boilers, I do. The only pattern is that I tend to enjoy fantasy scifi, even badly done fantasy scifi, as long as it isn't horrible beyond belief, and even then, if I still somehow am entertained. I find anime far more fun, in general, than most non-anime, but that may be partly because I am quite faceblind, so I often get similar-looking characters confused in live-action shows, while animators make sure that the average character is easily distinguished. Here's my list of watched American hows taken from your list: CANCELED SHOWS NBC Believe Community FOX Almost Human ABC CBS The CW Star-Crossed The Tomorrow People RENEWED SHOWS NBC Grimm FOX Bones Sleepy Hollow The Simpsons ABC Castle Marvel's Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Modern Family Once Upon A Time Resurrection CBS The Big Bang Theory Elementary NCIS NCIS: Los Angeles Person of Interest The CW The 100 Arrow Beauty and the Beast The Originals The Vampire Diaries Supernatural ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just to follow up... From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com But if you were trying to say that I consider America the most creative in the arts, that is simply not true. I consider a tiny, tiny portion of American TV and movie content good enough to watch. The best and most consistently creative television in the world is being made in Denmark right now, with other parts of Scandinavia close behind. Many of the TV series you probably consider American and thus creative were pure ripoffs of Danish TV series, from The Killing to The Bridge to (soon) Mammon. There is no creativity in remaking a foreign TV series, and succeeding only in making a shittier version in English. It's amusing for me to notice -- especially after my tiny, tiny portion comment above -- that of the 105 American TV series on the following list of either canceled or renewed shows, I regularly watch only one of the canceled shows ( Crisis, and I watched it only so I could lust after Gillian Anderson :-), and only watch 5 of the renewed shows. This is amusing to me because when I was writing my original reply to Steve, I was considering invoking Sturgeon's Law to describe American television. That law, named for the scifi writer who coined it, Theodore Sturgeon, is as true today as it was when he first quipped it back in the 1950s: 90% of everything is crap. Well, it turns out that I only bother to watch about 5% of the TV shows on American broadcast channels. :-) UPDATE (May 10 at 3:30 p.m.): NBC canceled Dracula. UPDATE (May 10 at 3 p.m.): ABC renewed Last Man Standing. UPDATE (May 10 at 2:10 p.m.): CBS renewed The Mentalist for a seventh season and canceled Intelligence, Hostages, The Crazy Ones, Bad Teacher and Friends With Better Lives. CANCELED SHOWS NBC Believe Community Crisis Growing Up Fisher Revolution The Michael J. Fox Show Sean Saves The World Welcome To The Family Ironside FOX Dads Rake Surviving Jack Enlisted Raising Hope The X Factor Almost Human ABC Suburgatory Trophy Wife Super Fun Night Lucky 7 Mind Games Mixology Once Upon A Time In Wonderland Killer Woman Betrayal The Assets Back In The Game The Neighbors CBS We Are Men The CW The Carrie Diaries Star-Crossed The Tomorrow People RENEWED SHOWS NBC About A Boy The Blacklist Chicago PD Grimm Chicago Fire Hannibal Law Order: SVU Parks Recreation The Voice FOX Bob's Burgers Bones American Idol Brooklyn Nine-Nine Family Guy Glee Hell's Kitchen MasterChef Junior The Following The Mindy Project New Girl Sleepy Hollow The Simpsons ABC Nashville Scandal Castle The Bachelor Dancing With The Stars Marvel's
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The beards are a big help. Size and hair color are a good aid as well. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the things to bear in mind when regarding my American TV preferences is that the terms broadcast and cable mean nothing to me. I live in a Pirate-friendly country, and thus can watch pretty much everything the day after it was broadcast originally, whether on a normal channel like NBC or a pay channel like Showtime or HBO or even Netflix. So there are a few other series that I like that aren't on this list that come from the pay channels. There are also others I like that are from Canada, like Continuum, Orphan Black, and Lost Girl. Interesting reason for preferring anime -- I had never considered the issue of faceblindness before. That would certainly make Game Of Thrones, with its cast of possibly hundreds of recurring characters, difficult to follow. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought Interesting list. I don't have specific criteria for why I watch or don't watch shows. Some quality shows I don't bother watching, and some obvious pot-boilers, I do. The only pattern is that I tend to enjoy fantasy scifi, even badly done fantasy scifi, as long as it isn't horrible beyond belief, and even then, if I still somehow am entertained. I find anime far more fun, in general, than most non-anime, but that may be partly because I am quite faceblind, so I often get similar-looking characters confused in live-action shows, while animators make sure that the average character is easily distinguished. Here's my list of watched American hows taken from your list: CANCELED SHOWS NBC Believe Community FOX Almost Human ABC CBS The CW Star-Crossed The Tomorrow People RENEWED SHOWS NBC Grimm FOX Bones Sleepy Hollow The Simpsons ABC Castle Marvel's Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Modern Family Once Upon A Time Resurrection CBS The Big Bang Theory Elementary NCIS NCIS: Los Angeles Person of Interest The CW The 100 Arrow Beauty and the Beast The Originals The Vampire Diaries Supernatural ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just to follow up... From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com But if you were trying to say that I consider America the most creative in the arts, that is simply not true. I consider a tiny, tiny portion of American TV and movie content good enough to watch. The best and most consistently creative television in the world is being made in Denmark right now, with other parts of Scandinavia close behind. Many of the TV series you probably consider American and thus creative were pure ripoffs of Danish TV series, from The Killing to The Bridge to (soon) Mammon. There is no creativity in remaking a foreign TV series, and succeeding only in making a shittier version in English. It's amusing for me to notice -- especially after my tiny, tiny portion comment above -- that of the 105 American TV series on the following list of either canceled or renewed shows, I regularly watch only one of the canceled shows ( Crisis, and I watched it only so I could lust after Gillian Anderson :-), and only watch 5 of the renewed shows. This is amusing to me because when I was writing my original reply to Steve, I was considering invoking Sturgeon's Law to describe American television. That law, named for the scifi writer who coined it, Theodore Sturgeon, is as true today as it was when he first quipped it back in the 1950s: 90% of everything is crap. Well, it turns out that I only bother to watch about 5% of the TV shows on American broadcast channels. :-) UPDATE (May 10 at 3:30 p.m.): NBC canceled Dracula. http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/10/dracula-canceled/ UPDATE (May 10 at 3 p.m.): ABC renewed Last Man Standing. http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/10/last-man-standing-renewed-for-4th-season/ UPDATE (May 10 at 2:10 p.m.): CBS renewed The Mentalist http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/10/mentalist-renewed-canceled/ for a seventh season and canceled Intelligence, Hostages, The Crazy Ones, Bad Teacher and Friends With Better Lives. CANCELED SHOWS NBC Believe Community Crisis Growing Up Fisher Revolution The Michael J. Fox Show Sean Saves The World Welcome To The Family Ironside FOX Dads Rake Surviving Jack Enlisted Raising Hope The X Factor Almost Human ABC Suburgatory Trophy Wife Super Fun Night Lucky 7 Mind Games Mixology Once Upon A Time In Wonderland Killer Woman Betrayal The Assets Back In The Game The Neighbors CBS We Are Men The CW The Carrie Diaries Star-Crossed The Tomorrow People RENEWED SHOWS
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From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com The beards are a big help. Size and hair color are a good aid as well. Fascinating topic. I admit to never having heard of the concept of face blindness before seeing a movie called Faces In The Crowd. Milla Jovovich stars in a plot about a woman suffering from face blindness after an encounter with a serial killer. She saw his face in the attack, but now can't tell it from any other face. Faces in the Crowd (2011) Faces In The Crowd - Official Trailer [HD] ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : One of the things to bear in mind when regarding my American TV preferences is that the terms broadcast and cable mean nothing to me. I live in a Pirate-friendly country, and thus can watch pretty much everything the day after it was broadcast originally, whether on a normal channel like NBC or a pay channel like Showtime or HBO or even Netflix. So there are a few other series that I like that aren't on this list that come from the pay channels. There are also others I like that are from Canada, like Continuum, Orphan Black, and Lost Girl. Interesting reason for preferring anime -- I had never considered the issue of faceblindness before. That would certainly make Game Of Thrones, with its cast of possibly hundreds of recurring characters, difficult to follow. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought Interesting list. I don't have specific criteria for why I watch or don't watch shows. Some quality shows I don't bother watching, and some obvious pot-boilers, I do. The only pattern is that I tend to enjoy fantasy scifi, even badly done fantasy scifi, as long as it isn't horrible beyond belief, and even then, if I still somehow am entertained. I find anime far more fun, in general, than most non-anime, but that may be partly because I am quite faceblind, so I often get similar-looking characters confused in live-action shows, while animators make sure that the average character is easily distinguished. Here's my list of watched American hows taken from your list: CANCELED SHOWS NBC Believe Community FOX Almost Human ABC CBS The CW Star-Crossed The Tomorrow People RENEWED SHOWS NBC Grimm FOX Bones Sleepy Hollow The Simpsons ABC Castle Marvel's Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Modern Family Once Upon A Time Resurrection CBS The Big Bang Theory Elementary NCIS NCIS: Los Angeles Person of Interest The CW The 100 Arrow Beauty and the Beast The Originals The Vampire Diaries Supernatural ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just to follow up... From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com But if you were trying to say that I consider America the most creative in the arts, that is simply not true. I consider a tiny, tiny portion of American TV and movie content good enough to watch. The best and most consistently creative television in the world is being made in Denmark right now, with other parts of Scandinavia close behind. Many of the TV series you probably consider American and thus creative were pure ripoffs of Danish TV series, from The Killing to The Bridge to (soon) Mammon. There is no creativity in remaking a foreign TV series, and succeeding only in making a shittier version in English. It's amusing for me to notice -- especially after my tiny, tiny portion comment above -- that of the 105 American TV series on the following list of either canceled or renewed shows, I regularly watch only one of the canceled shows ( Crisis, and I watched it only so I could lust after Gillian Anderson :-), and only watch 5 of the renewed shows. This is amusing to me because when I was writing my original reply to Steve, I was considering invoking Sturgeon's Law to describe American television. That law, named for the scifi writer who coined it, Theodore Sturgeon, is as true today as it was when he first quipped it back in the 1950s: 90% of everything is crap. Well, it turns out that I only bother to watch about 5% of the TV shows on American broadcast channels. :-) UPDATE (May 10 at 3:30 p.m.): NBC canceled Dracula. UPDATE (May 10 at 3 p.m.): ABC renewed Last Man Standing. UPDATE (May 10 at 2:10 p.m.): CBS renewed The Mentalist for a seventh season and canceled Intelligence, Hostages, The Crazy Ones, Bad Teacher and Friends With Better Lives. CANCELED SHOWS NBC Believe Community Crisis Growing Up Fisher Revolution The Michael J. Fox Show Sean Saves The World Welcome To The Family Ironside FOX Dads Rake Surviving Jack Enlisted Raising Hope The X Factor Almost Human ABC
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just to follow up... As fascinating as it is to view a list of American channels and the TV shows they air, not to mention how riveted I am to read about the ones that you watch or don't watch I would have to list this post as just another way of you to show the world what a cool and individualistic dude you are. I'm in awe... From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com But if you were trying to say that I consider America the most creative in the arts, that is simply not true. I consider a tiny, tiny portion of American TV and movie content good enough to watch. The best and most consistently creative television in the world is being made in Denmark right now, with other parts of Scandinavia close behind. Many of the TV series you probably consider American and thus creative were pure ripoffs of Danish TV series, from The Killing to The Bridge to (soon) Mammon. There is no creativity in remaking a foreign TV series, and succeeding only in making a shittier version in English. It's amusing for me to notice -- especially after my tiny, tiny portion comment above -- that of the 105 American TV series on the following list of either canceled or renewed shows, I regularly watch only one of the canceled shows ( Crisis, and I watched it only so I could lust after Gillian Anderson :-), and only watch 5 of the renewed shows. This is amusing to me because when I was writing my original reply to Steve, I was considering invoking Sturgeon's Law to describe American television. That law, named for the scifi writer who coined it, Theodore Sturgeon, is as true today as it was when he first quipped it back in the 1950s: 90% of everything is crap. Well, it turns out that I only bother to watch about 5% of the TV shows on American broadcast channels. :-) UPDATE (May 10 at 3:30 p.m.): NBC canceled Dracula. http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/10/dracula-canceled/ UPDATE (May 10 at 3 p.m.): ABC renewed Last Man Standing. http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/10/last-man-standing-renewed-for-4th-season/ UPDATE (May 10 at 2:10 p.m.): CBS renewed The Mentalist http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/10/mentalist-renewed-canceled/ for a seventh season and canceled Intelligence, Hostages, The Crazy Ones, Bad Teacher and Friends With Better Lives. CANCELED SHOWS NBC Believe Community Crisis Growing Up Fisher Revolution The Michael J. Fox Show Sean Saves The World Welcome To The Family Ironside FOX Dads Rake Surviving Jack Enlisted Raising Hope The X Factor Almost Human ABC Suburgatory Trophy Wife Super Fun Night Lucky 7 Mind Games Mixology Once Upon A Time In Wonderland Killer Woman Betrayal The Assets Back In The Game The Neighbors CBS We Are Men The CW The Carrie Diaries Star-Crossed The Tomorrow People RENEWED SHOWS NBC About A Boy The Blacklist Chicago PD Grimm Chicago Fire Hannibal Law Order: SVU Parks Recreation The Voice FOX Bob's Burgers Bones American Idol Brooklyn Nine-Nine Family Guy Glee Hell's Kitchen MasterChef Junior The Following The Mindy Project New Girl Sleepy Hollow The Simpsons ABC Nashville Scandal Castle The Bachelor Dancing With The Stars Marvel's Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. The Middle Modern Family Revenge Shark Tank Once Upon A Time Resurrection Grey's Anatomy The Goldbergs America's Funniest Home Videos CBS 2 Broke Girls The Amazing Race The Big Bang Theory Blue Bloods Criminal Minds CSI 48 Hours 60 Minutes Elementary The Good Wife Hawaii Five-0 Mike Molly Undercover Boss NCIS The Millers Mom NCIS: Los Angeles Person of Interest Survivor Two and a Half Men The CW The 100 Arrow Beauty and the Beast The Originals Reign Hart of Dixie The Vampire Diaries Supernatural
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On 5/11/2014 10:49 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: One of the things to bear in mind when regarding my American TV preferences is that the terms broadcast and cable mean nothing to me. Don't tell us you even steal your neighbors wireless access point! Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 05/11/2014 10:22 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 5/11/2014 10:49 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: One of the things to bear in mind when regarding my American TV preferences is that the terms broadcast and cable mean nothing to me. Don't tell us you even steal your neighbors wireless access point! Go figure. No, but I think my neighbors may be stealing mine. :-D
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Fanaticism is always ugly - yours, included. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could... I flew in to Indianapolis on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited after spending a red-eye flight stuck next to a guy with foul breath who passed ou... View on pando.com http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Preview by Yahoo
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I know. Kinda strange Ann. These guns sat in a safe for probably 40 years untouched. They've never been needed, and aren't really needed now. But, as you mention, we do live in different areas. And, I like where I live. It is a diverse area, that is attracting new residents and urban sprawl declines and people move back to the city. But, there is also a great element of unpredictability, and so, I am going to take a precautionary step should it ever be needed. Owls. Owls. That must be so cool. There used to be an owl that would come around every fall, but I think the people across the street got rid of the where that owl would sit. It always caused such a ruckus among the other birds when he showed up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I live in a bit of crime area and work in a resurgent area. But I do plan to get my cc permit in a couple weeks. I went to the shooting range last week to get familiar with the two hand guns passed down to me from my grandfather and dad to me. One is a 32 cal. Smith Wesson snub nose revolver, and the other is a 32 cal. Colt semi automatic. There was no thrill for me in firing the weapons, and it was incredibly loud. But I figure I'd rather have the permit, than not. Whoa, so strange for me to read about actual people who own actual guns. I live in an area where I wouldn't have to lock anything. Not my car, not my house, not my tack room which contains approximately $35K worth of saddles. I am very fortunate. I am surrounded by law-abiding neighbors and owls, salt water bays and Douglas fir. I don't want to have to live in fear nor do I ever want to feel I should own let alone carry a gun. I am vehemently anti-gun. It makes no sense to me that any flawed human being should actually be carrying around or have access to a weapon that responds so quickly to a whim or an emotion that you can't take back once the bloody thing fires. No thanks. I'll just stay someplace where deadly weapons are not considered as essential as a toothbrush. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I agree with the gun saturation making this a big problem, regardless if all gun sales were stopped today. My dad had quite a collection - hundreds - and one thing I can say, is that guns last. Not like a modern appliance, where circuits or electronics can stop working, or a plastic part eventually breaks. Guns are built with a few working parts, all metal, and will continue to accurately function for a hundred years, or more. I still have a .32 colt semi-automatic, and a couple of .38 revolvers, colt and sw - not so much for protection, as for target shooting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset
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Fleetwood! Can I call you Fleeting...? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Fanaticism is always ugly - yours, included. God, Fleetwood, it's good to have you back. Imagine Bawee believing, even for one eentsy beentsy moment, that sanity can be returned to a place that has just annihilated itself through mass shooting. Or that he would hope such a thing would happen in the first place. On top of that Bawee, being an American and living off the fat of the land in one way or other despite his residency in a different country, considers himself so above such violent lunacy. But, once again, you have caught him in his own hypocrisy. Kraft Dinner all around - on me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could... I flew in to Indianapolis on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited after spending a red-eye flight stuck next to a guy with foul breath who passed ou... View on pando.com http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Preview by Yahoo
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--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I live in a bit of crime area and work in a resurgent area. But I do plan to get my cc permit in a couple weeks. I went to the shooting range last week to get familiar with the two hand guns passed down to me from my grandfather and dad to me. One is a 32 cal. Smith Wesson snub nose revolver, and the other is a 32 cal. Colt semi automatic. There was no thrill for me in firing the weapons, and it was incredibly loud. But I figure I'd rather have the permit, than not. C: Are you using the big ear protector headphone looking things at the range? Very important. I haven't shot at a range in over a decade I really should go again. I remember that the vibe was very serious, it felt tense but real. I enjoyed shooting at the range. Something zen about learning how to relax and squeeze. A 32 should be a pleasure to shoot. You might consider getting some of the special rounds for self defense that up the stopping power for a smaller gun like that. Your gun store guy will know. Nothing like a wheel gun for reliability. I have a Walthur PPK .380 (think James Bond) which is semi auto. If I had it to do over again I would get a revolver. If you don't hold them right for the kick to eject the shell case right they can jam. Better to have it and not need it if you are in squirrelly areas. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I agree with the gun saturation making this a big problem, regardless if all gun sales were stopped today. My dad had quite a collection - hundreds - and one thing I can say, is that guns last. Not like a modern appliance, where circuits or electronics can stop working, or a plastic part eventually breaks. Guns are built with a few working parts, all metal, and will continue to accurately function for a hundred years, or more. I still have a .32 colt semi-automatic, and a couple of .38 revolvers, colt and sw - not so much for protection, as for target shooting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to make ourselves feel better that we are doing SOMETHING is the answer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent
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Hi Curtis - you were talking about perception vs. reality, earlier, regarding the 'God' idea (and not to get into that again, though I appreciated some of your points...), and in the same way, the risk of getting shot is not great, although given this age of knowledge, we know about it, instantly, anywhere, with details, pictures, and videos. So, given the old adage, 'if it bleeds, it leads', if an innocent observer looked at US media coverage, we are all in immanent danger of crashing our cars, shooting each other, and plummeting out of the sky. Interesting how tech allows us to get upset, about issues which never actually touch us, in our daily lives. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : While I agree with you that the problem is probably unresolvable at this point because 1) there are too many guns already to ever be controlled, 2) there would be a huge black market of them if they ever *were* truly controlled, and 3) Americans really *do* have a people problem that is larger than its gun problem, I was nonetheless horrified that the gun manufacturers and the NRA could be so crazy as to try to use the smart gun thing to make guns MORE available. And to argue that owning a smart gun should allow the person who owns it to get on a plane with it. That speaks to me of a country beyond repair, and possibly beyond the hope of rehabilitation. I completely agree with you that if a child (or anyone) dies as the result of a gun kept in the home, at the hands of one of their children, both parents should be tried for murder and spend the rest of their lives in prison. And I do feel fortunate to live in a country that avoided the gun insanity that America fell prey to. C: Holland has just under 17 million people and the US has about 313 million. Comparing countries problems has a bit of a built in bullshit factor. We are a way more diverse culture with many built-in problems European countries are just starting to have to deal with on a much smaller scale. Here is an interesting point from 2005 gun death study: gun murders comprise less than a third of that total -- about 9,000 per year in recent years. With accidental gun deaths steady at around 500-600 per year, the bulk of those 32,000 gun deaths are suicides. Of the murder rate, which had been steadily falling, it is estimated that 1/3 to 1/2 are drug related. Prohibition raises its ugly head again. Could more access to mental health help stop some of those suicides? Maybe. I'm sure there are many advantages of living outside the US. But if you are not in the drug business or feel like killing yourself, getting shot is probably the least of my problems! From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 5:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : While I agree with you that the problem is probably unresolvable at this point because 1) there are too many guns already to ever be controlled, 2) there would be a huge black market of them if they ever *were* truly controlled, and 3) Americans really *do* have a people problem that is larger than its gun problem, I was nonetheless horrified that the gun manufacturers and the NRA could be so crazy as to try to use the smart gun thing to make guns MORE available. And to argue that owning a smart gun should allow the person who owns it to get on a plane with it. That speaks to me of a country beyond repair, and possibly beyond the hope of rehabilitation. I completely agree with you that if a child (or anyone) dies as the result of a gun kept in the home, at the hands of one of their children, both parents should be tried for murder and spend the rest of their lives in prison. And I do feel fortunate to live in a country that avoided the gun insanity that America fell prey to. C: Holland has just under 17 million people and the US has about 313 million. Comparing countries problems has a bit of a built in bullshit factor. We are a way more diverse culture with many built-in problems European countries are just starting to have to deal with on a much smaller scale. Here is an interesting point from 2005 gun death study: gun murders comprise less than a third of that total -- about 9,000 per year in recent years. With accidental gun deaths steady at around 500-600 per year, the bulk of those 32,000 gun deaths are suicides. Of the murder rate, which had been steadily falling, it is estimated that 1/3 to 1/2 are drug related. Prohibition raises its ugly head again. Could more access to mental health help stop some of those suicides? Maybe. I'm sure there are many advantages of living outside the US. But if you are not in the drug business or feel like killing yourself, getting shot is probably the least of my problems! From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 5:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to make ourselves feel better that we are doing SOMETHING is the answer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I
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Right, America is overwhelmingly against any form of gun control. Oh, wait... http://www.gallup.com/poll/160085/americans-back-obama-proposals-address-gun-violence.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/160085/americans-back-obama-proposals-address-gun-violence.aspx ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could... I flew in to Indianapolis on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited after spending a red-eye flight stuck next to a guy with foul breath who passed ou... View on pando.com http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Preview by Yahoo
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yep, from zip guns, to 3D printers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Doesn't take much technology to build a completely new one, from scratch, either! On Friday, May 9, 2014 8:09 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I agree with the gun saturation making this a big problem, regardless if all gun sales were stopped today. My dad had quite a collection - hundreds - and one thing I can say, is that guns last. Not like a modern appliance, where circuits or electronics can stop working, or a plastic part eventually breaks. Guns are built with a few working parts, all metal, and will continue to accurately function for a hundred years, or more. I still have a .32 colt semi-automatic, and a couple of .38 revolvers, colt and sw - not so much for protection, as for target shooting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to make ourselves feel better that we are doing SOMETHING is the answer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could... http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ I flew in to Indianapolis on Friday morning, sleep
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From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : While I agree with you that the problem is probably unresolvable at this point because 1) there are too many guns already to ever be controlled, 2) there would be a huge black market of them if they ever *were* truly controlled, and 3) Americans really *do* have a people problem that is larger than its gun problem, I was nonetheless horrified that the gun manufacturers and the NRA could be so crazy as to try to use the smart gun thing to make guns MORE available. And to argue that owning a smart gun should allow the person who owns it to get on a plane with it. That speaks to me of a country beyond repair, and possibly beyond the hope of rehabilitation. I completely agree with you that if a child (or anyone) dies as the result of a gun kept in the home, at the hands of one of their children, both parents should be tried for murder and spend the rest of their lives in prison. And I do feel fortunate to live in a country that avoided the gun insanity that America fell prey to. C: Holland has just under 17 million people and the US has about 313 million. Comparing countries problems has a bit of a built in bullshit factor. We are a way more diverse culture with many built-in problems European countries are just starting to have to deal with on a much smaller scale. I'm going to have to quibble with the bullshit factor comment, Curtis. Yes, the Netherlands has fewer overall people than the U.S., and yes, it has fewer guns because owning and carrying guns *never* gained a foothold here the way it did in the U.S. But Amsterdam actually has a significantly *higher* population density than Washington, DC (12,670/sq mi as opposed to Washington's 9,316.4/sq mi). Seems to me that we should be able to compare gun homicide statistics in two cities of a similar density. Doing so, I find that in 2010 the average rate of gun homicides in Washington, DC seems to have been 21.9 per 10,000 people and the average rate of gun homicides in Amsterdam seems to have been 0.29 per 10,000 people. That puts Washington's rate about *75 times higher* than Amsterdam's. So I'm back to America has a people problem. Here is an interesting point from 2005 gun death study: gun murders comprise less than a third of that total -- about 9,000 per year in recent years. With accidental gun deaths steady at around 500-600 per year, the bulk of those 32,000 gun deaths are suicides. Of the murder rate, which had been steadily falling, it is estimated that 1/3 to 1/2 are drug related. Prohibition raises its ugly head again. Could more access to mental health help stop some of those suicides? Maybe. We're back to Andy Borowitz' perceptive one-liner: I'm sure there are many advantages of living outside the US. But if you are not in the drug business or feel like killing yourself, getting shot is probably the least of my problems! True. But how about the issue of feeling safe? I haven't felt *unsafe* walking anywhere, at any time of day or night, in any city I've lived in or visited in Europe since I moved here in 2003. This statement includes *supposed* high-crime areas of Amsterdam, Paris, Barcelona, and Marseilles. Hearkening back to what I said earlier about population density, Paris' is one of the highest in Europe, at 55,000/sq mi. And still no feelings of being unsafe, anywhere. That *absence* of the near-constant fear of random crime is one of the best parts of living outside the U.S. Yes, there are places on the planet that are worse, but that doesn't alter the fact that the country that considers itself the best in so many things is one of the most dangerous to its own citizens on the planet. One of the things I don't miss is that near-constant fear. People in big cities in America just get used to it, so much so that they don't realize that they're walking around in an adrenalin-pumped-up state all the time, with part of their awareness always wasted sustaining low-level fight-or-flight mode. Somehow I don't think this is the reduction of stress Maharishi promised to the country that has the highest percentage of TMers.
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Not really my conversation, but I thought it was also mentioned that diversity plays a factor. Holland is probably more homogeneous in terms of population make up, and probably has a higher per capita income than the places in the US where there is more gun violence. On the other hand, I just read or heard somewhere that when it comes to traits that make people more prone to be creative, the US, is at the top. So, for all the problems, there are quite a few offsets. And let's face it, you feel the same way as evidenced by the fact that you are a large consumer of American culture, much of it violent based. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : While I agree with you that the problem is probably unresolvable at this point because 1) there are too many guns already to ever be controlled, 2) there would be a huge black market of them if they ever *were* truly controlled, and 3) Americans really *do* have a people problem that is larger than its gun problem, I was nonetheless horrified that the gun manufacturers and the NRA could be so crazy as to try to use the smart gun thing to make guns MORE available. And to argue that owning a smart gun should allow the person who owns it to get on a plane with it. That speaks to me of a country beyond repair, and possibly beyond the hope of rehabilitation. I completely agree with you that if a child (or anyone) dies as the result of a gun kept in the home, at the hands of one of their children, both parents should be tried for murder and spend the rest of their lives in prison. And I do feel fortunate to live in a country that avoided the gun insanity that America fell prey to. C: Holland has just under 17 million people and the US has about 313 million. Comparing countries problems has a bit of a built in bullshit factor. We are a way more diverse culture with many built-in problems European countries are just starting to have to deal with on a much smaller scale. I'm going to have to quibble with the bullshit factor comment, Curtis. Yes, the Netherlands has fewer overall people than the U.S., and yes, it has fewer guns because owning and carrying guns *never* gained a foothold here the way it did in the U.S. But Amsterdam actually has a significantly *higher* population density than Washington, DC (12,670/sq mi as opposed to Washington's 9,316.4/sq mi). Seems to me that we should be able to compare gun homicide statistics in two cities of a similar density. Doing so, I find that in 2010 the average rate of gun homicides in Washington, DC seems to have been 21.9 per 10,000 people and the average rate of gun homicides in Amsterdam seems to have been 0.29 per 10,000 people. That puts Washington's rate about *75 times higher* than Amsterdam's. So I'm back to America has a people problem. Here is an interesting point from 2005 gun death study: gun murders comprise less than a third of that total -- about 9,000 per year in recent years. With accidental gun deaths steady at around 500-600 per year, the bulk of those 32,000 gun deaths are suicides. Of the murder rate, which had been steadily falling, it is estimated that 1/3 to 1/2 are drug related. Prohibition raises its ugly head again. Could more access to mental health help stop some of those suicides? Maybe. We're back to Andy Borowitz' perceptive one-liner: I'm sure there are many advantages of living outside the US. But if you are not in the drug business or feel like killing yourself, getting shot is probably the least of my problems! True. But how about the issue of feeling safe? I haven't felt *unsafe* walking anywhere, at any time of day or night, in any city I've lived in or visited in Europe since I moved here in 2003. This statement includes *supposed* high-crime areas of Amsterdam, Paris, Barcelona, and Marseilles. Hearkening back to what I said earlier about population density, Paris' is one of the highest in Europe, at 55,000/sq mi. And still no feelings of being unsafe, anywhere. That *absence* of the near-constant fear of random crime is one of the best parts of living outside the U.S. Yes, there are places on the planet that are worse, but that doesn't alter the fact that the country that considers itself the best in so many things is one of the most dangerous to its own citizens on the planet. One of the things I don't miss is that near-constant fear. People in big cities in America just get used to it, so much so that they don't realize that they're walking around in an adrenalin-pumped-up state all the time, with part of their awareness always wasted sustaining low-level fight-or-flight mode. Somehow I don't think this is the reduction of stress Maharishi promised to the country that has the highest percentage of TMers.
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On 5/9/2014 9:37 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: That said, if I were writing this from, say, Uganda or the Ukraine, I might have a Glock in an EZ-Out holster mounted under my desk. Almost everything you're saying about firearms is illegal - it's against the law in Uganda to mount a Glock under your desk. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought Not really my conversation, but I thought it was also mentioned that diversity plays a factor. Holland is probably more homogeneous in terms of population make up, and probably has a higher per capita income than the places in the US where there is more gun violence. While the higher income may be true for many people, it isn't for all. And according to the last figures I've seen for both countries, the U.S. and the Netherlands have around the same percentage of their population representing European Caucasian descent. The Netherlands is the most *diverse* place I've ever lived in terms of seeing people from other countries and cultures settle in and become Dutch citizens. Over 40% of the population of Leiden are ex-pats from some foreign country. On the other hand, I just read or heard somewhere that when it comes to traits that make people more prone to be creative, the US, is at the top. So, for all the problems, there are quite a few offsets. I would have to see the actual study and examine its protocols and the measures used to define creativity before I'd believe this. If you know of the source of the actual study (*not* the Abstract or a pop writeup of it), I'd be interested in seeing it. And let's face it, you feel the same way as evidenced by the fact that you are a large consumer of American culture, much of it violent based. Onscreen violence doesn't bother me. Never has. So I look for *quality* in the movies and TV I watch. Whether that quality content is violent or not is not a factor. It's just that violence *sells*, which is why there is so much of it, whether you're watching Dutch TV or French TV or American TV. The producers are afraid to make much of anything that isn't a clone of something that was already popular elsewhere, or in another form. But if you were trying to say that I consider America the most creative in the arts, that is simply not true. I consider a tiny, tiny portion of American TV and movie content good enough to watch. The best and most consistently creative television in the world is being made in Denmark right now, with other parts of Scandinavia close behind. Many of the TV series you probably consider American and thus creative were pure ripoffs of Danish TV series, from The Killing to The Bridge to (soon) Mammon. There is no creativity in remaking a foreign TV series, and succeeding only in making a shittier version in English.
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On 5/9/2014 9:37 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And I'm not really convinced that either of us carrying a BFG (Big Fucking Gun) would make even that encounter more productive. :-) Things don't seem to have changed much over there - the average citizens are, for all practical purposes, defenseless. Go figure. Anders Behring Breivik murdered 69 teenagers in cold blood in Norway - he was found to be insane (diagnosed as having narcissistic personality disorder) and given a prison sentence of 21 years. Twenty-one years. What!? http://www.npr.org/2012/08/24/159975478/breivik-sentenced-to-prison-for-norways-mass-murder Breivik claims that in 2002 (at the age of 23) he started a nine-year-plan to finance the 2011 attacks, founding his own computer programming business... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Thanks for your reply. The bit about American and creativity was a short piece on the radio. They came at it from a slightly different angle, that's why I remembered it. But there is no doubt, American is a violent place. I mean just this recent experience of me getting acquainted with my two guns was kind of strange. Having a gun can imbue one with a sudden sense of power. And that feeling in the hands of an immature kid, without much discipline doesn't make for a good outcome. I defer to your analysis of content on TV etc. I tend not to be a large consumer. I watch for a few minutes and then I find I've spent more time than I planned. Now, lately we've been going to a lot more movies. The independents. So, I think I'm developing more of a critical eye along those lines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought Not really my conversation, but I thought it was also mentioned that diversity plays a factor. Holland is probably more homogeneous in terms of population make up, and probably has a higher per capita income than the places in the US where there is more gun violence. While the higher income may be true for many people, it isn't for all. And according to the last figures I've seen for both countries, the U.S. and the Netherlands have around the same percentage of their population representing European Caucasian descent. The Netherlands is the most *diverse* place I've ever lived in terms of seeing people from other countries and cultures settle in and become Dutch citizens. Over 40% of the population of Leiden are ex-pats from some foreign country. On the other hand, I just read or heard somewhere that when it comes to traits that make people more prone to be creative, the US, is at the top. So, for all the problems, there are quite a few offsets. I would have to see the actual study and examine its protocols and the measures used to define creativity before I'd believe this. If you know of the source of the actual study (*not* the Abstract or a pop writeup of it), I'd be interested in seeing it. And let's face it, you feel the same way as evidenced by the fact that you are a large consumer of American culture, much of it violent based. Onscreen violence doesn't bother me. Never has. So I look for *quality* in the movies and TV I watch. Whether that quality content is violent or not is not a factor. It's just that violence *sells*, which is why there is so much of it, whether you're watching Dutch TV or French TV or American TV. The producers are afraid to make much of anything that isn't a clone of something that was already popular elsewhere, or in another form. But if you were trying to say that I consider America the most creative in the arts, that is simply not true. I consider a tiny, tiny portion of American TV and movie content good enough to watch. The best and most consistently creative television in the world is being made in Denmark right now, with other parts of Scandinavia close behind. Many of the TV series you probably consider American and thus creative were pure ripoffs of Danish TV series, from The Killing to The Bridge to (soon) Mammon. There is no creativity in remaking a foreign TV series, and succeeding only in making a shittier version in English.
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On 5/9/2014 9:39 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: There was no thrill for me in firing the weapons, and it was incredibly loud. But I figure I'd rather have the permit, than not. Whoa, so strange for me to read about actual people who own actual guns. It is rare that any of us would be confronted with someone intent on causing us bodily harm, but it's also a wise thing to be prepared just in case. It's good that Ann live in a safe area, but she might consider some form of self-defense and a plan. It's like having fire extinguisher or a smoke alarm in the house and everyone knows what they are and how to use them. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/9/2014 10:40 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What Americans have is a /political/ problem in which minorities and special interest groups like the NRA are able to block the majority's strong preference for gun control. That's ultimately also a people problem in that we let things get to this infuriating state of affairs. But it's not a people problem in terms of everyone wanting guns to be uncontrolled, as Barry seems to believe. The majority of Americans seem to be opposed to rescinding the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. We already have gun control in the U.S. What we have in America, and all over the world, is a crime problem. Americans really *do* have a people problem that is larger than its gun problem --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/10/2014 6:24 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Not really my conversation, but I thought it was also mentioned that diversity plays a factor. Holland is probably more homogeneous in terms of population make up, and probably has a higher per capita income than the places in the US where there is more gun violence. In ethnically diverse communities people seem to 'hunker down', meaning that they withdraw from public social life. Subsequently, a range of studies has shown negative effects of ethnic diversity on different measures of social cohesion. Ethnic Diversity and Social Cohesion: http://www.migrationeducation.org/47.1.html?rid=201cHash=7975c211a0c28156e87f9af2a89b0c29 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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And I'm back to America has a political problem, given that the overwhelming majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun controls. Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics would be reduced. So I'm back to America has a people problem.
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On 5/10/2014 8:39 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And I'm back to America has a /political/ problem, given that the overwhelming majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, I'm back to the U.S. has a /*crime problem. */The vast majority of Americans are in favor of gun control. http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx but the appropriate legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want /any/ gun controls. Those who don't want /any gun control/ are probably in the minority. Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics would be reduced. The U.S. already has gun control laws that don't prevent criminals getting guns. http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And I'm back to America has a political problem, given that the overwhelming majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun controls. Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics would be reduced. C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would stop criminals from using them to defend their turf? So for me the issue is education and dealing with poverty. If you look at a map of where DC homicides are, it is a map of our poorest residents. People living in a horribly broken social system, with a society that has artificially inflated the value of drugs through prohibition, ends up with gang driven murder rates like we have. Amsterdam does not have this toxic mix. So I'm back to America has a people problem.
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You are extrapolating for about two hundred million of us (urban dwellers). There is no constant low level fear here. As usual, I don't know anyone who thinks the way you assume they do. My daughter lives in a big city, and goes drinking with her buddies in sketchy neighborhoods, sometimes - no low level fear, there. I blew a tire in the evening in Philadelphia, and pulled off the freeway, into their worst slums. Just changed the tire and got going again. And please don't tell me you won't get mugged in some parts of Paris, as easily as you would in DC. You make Europe out to be some kind of wonderland, but just like your meditation beliefs, something else has to suffer, as a result. The world is not some zero sum game, dude, so that if you discover something cool, someone, someplace, or something else has to lose, as a consequence. It doesn't work that way. All these imaginary people that you accuse of being small minded? A fantasy. All the 'cult behavior' that you enjoy studying here? Imaginary. These are just games you must play with your ego, to feel better about yourself. Are you capable of enjoying someone, something, or someplace, simply for its own sake, and not only because you perceive it to be somehow 'better'? That's a question you need to ask yourself. It would improve your writing, too, if you ever got past it. You're welcome. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : While I agree with you that the problem is probably unresolvable at this point because 1) there are too many guns already to ever be controlled, 2) there would be a huge black market of them if they ever *were* truly controlled, and 3) Americans really *do* have a people problem that is larger than its gun problem, I was nonetheless horrified that the gun manufacturers and the NRA could be so crazy as to try to use the smart gun thing to make guns MORE available. And to argue that owning a smart gun should allow the person who owns it to get on a plane with it. That speaks to me of a country beyond repair, and possibly beyond the hope of rehabilitation. I completely agree with you that if a child (or anyone) dies as the result of a gun kept in the home, at the hands of one of their children, both parents should be tried for murder and spend the rest of their lives in prison. And I do feel fortunate to live in a country that avoided the gun insanity that America fell prey to. C: Holland has just under 17 million people and the US has about 313 million. Comparing countries problems has a bit of a built in bullshit factor. We are a way more diverse culture with many built-in problems European countries are just starting to have to deal with on a much smaller scale. I'm going to have to quibble with the bullshit factor comment, Curtis. Yes, the Netherlands has fewer overall people than the U.S., and yes, it has fewer guns because owning and carrying guns *never* gained a foothold here the way it did in the U.S. But Amsterdam actually has a significantly *higher* population density than Washington, DC (12,670/sq mi as opposed to Washington's 9,316.4/sq mi). Seems to me that we should be able to compare gun homicide statistics in two cities of a similar density. Doing so, I find that in 2010 the average rate of gun homicides in Washington, DC seems to have been 21.9 per 10,000 people and the average rate of gun homicides in Amsterdam seems to have been 0.29 per 10,000 people. That puts Washington's rate about *75 times higher* than Amsterdam's. So I'm back to America has a people problem. Here is an interesting point from 2005 gun death study: gun murders comprise less than a third of that total -- about 9,000 per year in recent years. With accidental gun deaths steady at around 500-600 per year, the bulk of those 32,000 gun deaths are suicides. Of the murder rate, which had been steadily falling, it is estimated that 1/3 to 1/2 are drug related. Prohibition raises its ugly head again. Could more access to mental health help stop some of those suicides? Maybe. We're back to Andy Borowitz' perceptive one-liner: I'm sure there are many advantages of living outside the US. But if you are not in the drug business or feel like killing yourself, getting shot is probably the least of my problems! True. But how about the issue of feeling safe? I haven't felt *unsafe* walking anywhere, at any time of day or night, in any city I've lived in or visited in Europe since I moved here in 2003. This statement includes *supposed* high-crime areas of Amsterdam, Paris, Barcelona, and Marseilles. Hearkening back to what I said earlier about population density, Paris' is one of the highest in Europe, at 55,000/sq mi. And still no feelings of being unsafe, anywhere. That *absence* of the
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America also has a very different history from the Netherlands, one in which guns of necessity played a major role. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Not really my conversation, but I thought it was also mentioned that diversity plays a factor. Holland is probably more homogeneous in terms of population make up, and probably has a higher per capita income than the places in the US where there is more gun violence.
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Comments below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And I'm back to America has a political problem, given that the overwhelming majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun controls. Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics would be reduced. C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would stop criminals from using them to defend their turf? I don't think I said anything to that effect. However, Obama's Now Is the Time proposals include many things that could be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf So for me the issue is education and dealing with poverty. If you look at a map of where DC homicides are, it is a map of our poorest residents. People living in a horribly broken social system, with a society that has artificially inflated the value of drugs through prohibition, ends up with gang driven murder rates like we have. Amsterdam does not have this toxic mix. So I'm back to America has a people problem.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : America also has a very different history from the Netherlands, one in which guns of necessity played a major role. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Not really my conversation, but I thought it was also mentioned that diversity plays a factor. Holland is probably more homogeneous in terms of population make up, and probably has a higher per capita income than the places in the US where there is more gun violence. C: Oddly Amsterdam and DC have the same percentage of people living in poverty, around 20 % but racially they couldn't be more different, DC is 38% Caucasian. One factor in DC crime in areas that didn't have crime before was an unintended consequence of the war on terror in the city. Beat cops were all pulled from areas they used to keep under control to more visible targets like monuments and the crime shot up elsewhere. Decisions are made on such an idiotic emotionally reactive thinking level.
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I'll confirm this from my experience when I lived in NYC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You are extrapolating for about two hundred million of us (urban dwellers). There is no constant low level fear here. As usual, I don't know anyone who thinks the way you assume they do. My daughter lives in a big city, and goes drinking with her buddies in sketchy neighborhoods, sometimes - no low level fear, there. I blew a tire in the evening in Philadelphia, and pulled off the freeway, into their worst slums. Just changed the tire and got going again. And please don't tell me you won't get mugged in some parts of Paris, as easily as you would in DC. You make Europe out to be some kind of wonderland, but just like your meditation beliefs, something else has to suffer, as a result. The world is not some zero sum game, dude, so that if you discover something cool, someone, someplace, or something else has to lose, as a consequence. It doesn't work that way. All these imaginary people that you accuse of being small minded? A fantasy. All the 'cult behavior' that you enjoy studying here? Imaginary. These are just games you must play with your ego, to feel better about yourself. Are you capable of enjoying someone, something, or someplace, simply for its own sake, and not only because you perceive it to be somehow 'better'? That's a question you need to ask yourself. It would improve your writing, too, if you ever got past it. You're welcome.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comments below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And I'm back to America has a political problem, given that the overwhelming majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun controls. Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics would be reduced. C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would stop criminals from using them to defend their turf? J: I don't think I said anything to that effect. c: Linking gun control to reducing the awful statistics was to that effect. J:However, Obama's Now Is the Time proposals include many things that could be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for people who sell them the harder more profitable way. Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either. The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking about these measures HAS accomplished is that sales of assault rifles and large round clips went through the roof. So now that ship has sailed and there are more big clips and assault rifles on the street than ever in history. Unintended consequences of gun control laws. So for me the issue is education and dealing with poverty. If you look at a map of where DC homicides are, it is a map of our poorest residents. People living in a horribly broken social system, with a society that has artificially inflated the value of drugs through prohibition, ends up with gang driven murder rates like we have. Amsterdam does not have this toxic mix. So I'm back to America has a people problem.
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Comment below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comments below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And I'm back to America has a political problem, given that the overwhelming majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun controls. Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics would be reduced. C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would stop criminals from using them to defend their turf? J: I don't think I said anything to that effect. c: Linking gun control to reducing the awful statistics was to that effect. Well, no, Curtis, reducing the statistics is not to the effect of stopping criminals from using guns. I don't choose my words at random, and I don't appreciate your changing them and trying to stuff them back into my mouth. End of conversation. J:However, Obama's Now Is the Time proposals include many things that could be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for people who sell them the harder more profitable way. Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either. The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking about these measures HAS accomplished is that sales of assault rifles and large round clips went through the roof. So now that ship has sailed and there are more big clips and assault rifles on the street than ever in history. Unintended consequences of gun control laws. So for me the issue is education and dealing with poverty. If you look at a map of where DC homicides are, it is a map of our poorest residents. People living in a horribly broken social system, with a society that has artificially inflated the value of drugs through prohibition, ends up with gang driven murder rates like we have. Amsterdam does not have this toxic mix. So I'm back to America has a people problem.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And I'm back to America has a political problem, given that the overwhelming majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun controls. Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics would be reduced. I'm back to the U.S. has a crime problem. The vast majority of Americans are in favor of gun control. Guns | Gallup Historical Trends http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx Guns | Gallup Historical Trends http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx In general, do you feel that the laws covering the sale of firearms should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now? Do you have a gun in yo... View on www.gallup.com http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx Preview by Yahoo So I'm back to America has a people problem.
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Curtis: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is between gang members fighting over turf. One of the main problems here in San Antonio is the gang-related drug cartels that sometimes spill over from Mexico. As long as the U.S. is supplying guns to the cartels and gang members, there's probably no way to control the firearms. The obvious solution to this problem is to make all drugs legal and to enforce tighter border controls. Just for the record, I am in favor of stricter gun control and for expanded background checks, but I am not in favor of a national firearms registry, which would be inconsistent with the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. '90 percent of Americans want expanded background checks on guns. Why isn’t this a political slam dunk?' 90 percent of Americans want expanded background checks on guns. Why isn’t this a political slam dunk? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/ 90 percent of Americans want expanded background chec... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/ What other issues have 90 percent support and don't get passed? It's a short list. View on www.washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comments below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And I'm back to America has a political problem, given that the overwhelming majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun controls. Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics would be reduced. C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would stop criminals from using them to defend their turf? J: I don't think I said anything to that effect. c: Linking gun control to reducing the awful statistics was to that effect. J:However, Obama's Now Is the Time proposals include many things that could be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for people who sell them the harder more profitable way. Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either. The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking about these measures HAS accomplished is that sales of assault rifles and large round clips went through the roof. So now that ship has sailed and there are more big clips and assault rifles on the street than ever in history. Unintended consequences of gun control laws. So for me the issue is education and dealing with poverty. If you look at a map of where DC homicides are, it is a map of our poorest residents. People living in a horribly broken social system, with a society that has artificially inflated the value of drugs through prohibition, ends up with gang driven murder rates like we have. Amsterdam does not have
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comment below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comments below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And I'm back to America has a political problem, given that the overwhelming majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun controls. Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics would be reduced. C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would stop criminals from using them to defend their turf? J: I don't think I said anything to that effect. c: Linking gun control to reducing the awful statistics was to that effect. Well, no, Curtis, reducing the statistics is not to the effect of stopping criminals from using guns. I don't choose my words at random, and I don't appreciate your changing them and trying to stuff them back into my mouth. c: Oh sorry, I thought you were referring to reducing people shooting each other which is dominated by criminals. Now that you have clarified that you are reducing the 'statistics I get your point completely. If we had laws that reduced people taking statistics you would have a valid point. I wasn't stuffing any words into your mouth I was drawing out the implications of what you were saying as it applies to the world as I see it in a ...you know... like an online discussion where two people are looking at different areas of a complex problem. J:End of conversation. C: Always so huffy! What's up with that? J:However, Obama's Now Is the Time proposals include many things that could be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for people who sell them the harder more profitable way. Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either. The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking about these measures HAS accomplished is that sales of assault rifles and large round clips went through the roof. So now that ship has sailed and there are more big clips and assault rifles on the street than ever in history. Unintended consequences of gun control laws. So for me the issue is education and dealing with poverty. If you look at a map of where DC homicides are, it is a map of our poorest residents. People living in a horribly broken social system, with a society that has artificially inflated the value of drugs through prohibition, ends up with gang driven murder rates like we have. Amsterdam does not have this toxic mix. So I'm back to America has a people problem.
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I can't even imagine the wildness that is going on now at the border with Mexico. I guess without the huge financial incentive of drugs you might be able to control the border better. Now they have the dough to build tunnels! I don't know how I feel about a national gun registry. I'm not sure with all the data mining that the government doesn't have a defacto list now. As far as making people register grampa's revolver that will never happen here IMO. So if you are only registering guns people are buying now you pretty much are dancing in political theater. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Curtis: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is between gang members fighting over turf. One of the main problems here in San Antonio is the gang-related drug cartels that sometimes spill over from Mexico. As long as the U.S. is supplying guns to the cartels and gang members, there's probably no way to control the firearms. The obvious solution to this problem is to make all drugs legal and to enforce tighter border controls. Just for the record, I am in favor of stricter gun control and for expanded background checks, but I am not in favor of a national firearms registry, which would be inconsistent with the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. '90 percent of Americans want expanded background checks on guns. Why isn’t this a political slam dunk?' 90 percent of Americans want expanded background checks on guns. Why isn’t this a political slam dunk? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/ 90 percent of Americans want expanded background chec... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/ What other issues have 90 percent support and don't get passed? It's a short list. View on www.washingtonpost.com http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/03/90-percent-of-americans-want-expanded-background-checks-on-guns-why-isnt-this-a-political-slam-dunk/ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comments below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And I'm back to America has a political problem, given that the overwhelming majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun controls. Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics would be reduced. C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would stop criminals from using them to defend their turf? J: I don't think I said anything to that effect. c: Linking gun control to reducing the awful statistics was to that effect. J:However, Obama's Now Is the Time proposals include many things that could be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for people who sell them the harder more profitable way. Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either. The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking about
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I'm sick of your debating tactics, Curtis. Your response here is just more of same. I shouldn't have stuck with our theism discussion as long as I did. From now on, when you begin hauling out the old tricks, I'm gone. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comment below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comments below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And I'm back to America has a political problem, given that the overwhelming majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun controls. Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics would be reduced. C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would stop criminals from using them to defend their turf? J: I don't think I said anything to that effect. c: Linking gun control to reducing the awful statistics was to that effect. Well, no, Curtis, reducing the statistics is not to the effect of stopping criminals from using guns. I don't choose my words at random, and I don't appreciate your changing them and trying to stuff them back into my mouth. c: Oh sorry, I thought you were referring to reducing people shooting each other which is dominated by criminals. Now that you have clarified that you are reducing the 'statistics I get your point completely. If we had laws that reduced people taking statistics you would have a valid point. I wasn't stuffing any words into your mouth I was drawing out the implications of what you were saying as it applies to the world as I see it in a ...you know... like an online discussion where two people are looking at different areas of a complex problem. J:End of conversation. C: Always so huffy! What's up with that? J:However, Obama's Now Is the Time proposals include many things that could be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for people who sell them the harder more profitable way. Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either. The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking about these measures HAS accomplished is that sales of assault rifles and large round clips went through the roof. So now that ship has sailed and there are more big clips and assault rifles on the street than ever in history. Unintended consequences of gun control laws. So for me the issue is education and dealing with poverty. If you look at a map of where DC homicides are, it is a map of our poorest residents. People living in a horribly broken social system, with a society that has artificially inflated the value of drugs through prohibition, ends up with gang driven murder rates like we have. Amsterdam does not have this toxic mix. So I'm back to America has a people problem.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : J: I'm sick of your debating tactics, Curtis. Your response here is just more of same. C: Your content free personal accusation retort while framing a discussion with different POVs as a debate. Odd perspective that. J: I shouldn't have stuck with our theism discussion as long as I did. C: Interesting revelation. You resent the fact that I couched the discussion so that your usual unpleasantness would be too obvious and predicted, so you had to act more civilly. It really rankled you didn't it? J: From now on, when you begin hauling out the old tricks, I'm gone. C: Yes huffy is the perfect word. The stock and trade of the high maintenance person. Ms. Huffenpuff, so much drama for an online conversation. I suspect you are used to people reacting to your escalating unpleasantness routine by backing down because you are too much trouble for them to deal with. So you can live in a bubble of thinking you are always right. Too bad for you that your routine amuses me. Huff and puff! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comment below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comments below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And I'm back to America has a political problem, given that the overwhelming majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun controls. Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics would be reduced. C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would stop criminals from using them to defend their turf? J: I don't think I said anything to that effect. c: Linking gun control to reducing the awful statistics was to that effect. Well, no, Curtis, reducing the statistics is not to the effect of stopping criminals from using guns. I don't choose my words at random, and I don't appreciate your changing them and trying to stuff them back into my mouth. c: Oh sorry, I thought you were referring to reducing people shooting each other which is dominated by criminals. Now that you have clarified that you are reducing the 'statistics I get your point completely. If we had laws that reduced people taking statistics you would have a valid point. I wasn't stuffing any words into your mouth I was drawing out the implications of what you were saying as it applies to the world as I see it in a ...you know... like an online discussion where two people are looking at different areas of a complex problem. J:End of conversation. C: Always so huffy! What's up with that? J:However, Obama's Now Is the Time proposals include many things that could be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for people who sell them the harder more profitable way. Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either. The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking about these measures HAS accomplished is that sales of assault rifles and large round clips went through the roof. So now that ship has sailed and there are more big clips and assault rifles on the street than ever in history. Unintended consequences of gun control laws. So for me the issue is education and dealing with
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Sure didn't take long for the old Curtis to surface. But I'm not playing any more, sorry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : J: I'm sick of your debating tactics, Curtis. Your response here is just more of same. C: Your content free personal accusation retort while framing a discussion with different POVs as a debate. Odd perspective that. J: I shouldn't have stuck with our theism discussion as long as I did. C: Interesting revelation. You resent the fact that I couched the discussion so that your usual unpleasantness would be too obvious and predicted, so you had to act more civilly. It really rankled you didn't it? J: From now on, when you begin hauling out the old tricks, I'm gone. C: Yes huffy is the perfect word. The stock and trade of the high maintenance person. Ms. Huffenpuff, so much drama for an online conversation. I suspect you are used to people reacting to your escalating unpleasantness routine by backing down because you are too much trouble for them to deal with. So you can live in a bubble of thinking you are always right. Too bad for you that your routine amuses me. Huff and puff! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comment below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Comments below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : And I'm back to America has a political problem, given that the overwhelming majority of Americans want stricter gun controls, but the appropriate legislation is consistently blocked by the minority who don't want any gun controls. Obviously that political problem has an impact on many other situations besides gun control. But the point is that if the majority could get its way, gun safety would be significantly improved, and some of the awful statistics would be reduced. C: With 80% of homicides in our cities being gang related I am not sure even gun laws can touch this issue. DC has the strictest laws against gun ownership and is 8th in homicide rate. The most vocal people for guns are not the ones shooting each other with them. Can you really think of a gun law that would stop criminals from using them to defend their turf? J: I don't think I said anything to that effect. c: Linking gun control to reducing the awful statistics was to that effect. Well, no, Curtis, reducing the statistics is not to the effect of stopping criminals from using guns. I don't choose my words at random, and I don't appreciate your changing them and trying to stuff them back into my mouth. c: Oh sorry, I thought you were referring to reducing people shooting each other which is dominated by criminals. Now that you have clarified that you are reducing the 'statistics I get your point completely. If we had laws that reduced people taking statistics you would have a valid point. I wasn't stuffing any words into your mouth I was drawing out the implications of what you were saying as it applies to the world as I see it in a ...you know... like an online discussion where two people are looking at different areas of a complex problem. J:End of conversation. C: Always so huffy! What's up with that? J:However, Obama's Now Is the Time proposals include many things that could be done to reduce gun violence, including increased mental health care spending: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf C: I am all for more mental health spending but again, the most gun violence is between gang members fighting over turf. His other proposals are all political theater to make it seem like he is doing something. Making it harder for criminals to get guns the easy way will just drive up the price and appeal for people who sell them the harder more profitable way. Improving school safety is a joke and more theater. No one can stop the kind of determined kids who have done the worst damage. I go in and out of schools every day and there is no way short of prison lockdown to even improve an inch on that. And prisons aren't exactly violence free either. The laws against gun clips and certain kinds of guns is more misplaced misdirection. The kind of gun you need to shoot a deer humanly can be just as effective and you will never get controls on those. This law is for people who don't know much about guns and think there are big differences. What talking about these measures HAS accomplished is that sales of assault rifles and large round clips went through the roof. So now that ship has sailed and there are more big
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : You are extrapolating for about two hundred million of us (urban dwellers). There is no constant low level fear here. As usual, I don't know anyone who thinks the way you assume they do. My daughter lives in a big city, and goes drinking with her buddies in sketchy neighborhoods, sometimes - no low level fear, there. I blew a tire in the evening in Philadelphia, and pulled off the freeway, into their worst slums. Just changed the tire and got going again. And please don't tell me you won't get mugged in some parts of Paris, as easily as you would in DC. You make Europe out to be some kind of wonderland, but just like your meditation beliefs, something else has to suffer, as a result. The world is not some zero sum game, dude, so that if you discover something cool, someone, someplace, or something else has to lose, as a consequence. It doesn't work that way. All these imaginary people that you accuse of being small minded? A fantasy. All the 'cult behavior' that you enjoy studying here? Imaginary. These are just games you must play with your ego, to feel better about yourself. Are you capable of enjoying someone, something, or someplace, simply for its own sake, and not only because you perceive it to be somehow 'better'? That's a question you need to ask yourself. It would improve your writing, too, if you ever got past it. You're welcome.
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Well, that's it then, it's all settled - the gun problem, the gang problem, the people problem, the crime problem, the political problem and the posting problem. Thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Sure didn't take long for the old Curtis to surface. C: New and old Curtis are figments of your imagination and have nothing to do with me. J: But I'm not playing any more, sorry. C: Yeah you keep saying that you are done and you are gone and that you are not playing anymore, but here you are again. L'll lack of self awareness gap is my best guess. But hey don't let me stop you from your huffy exit...there she goes AGAIN!
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Fanaticism is always ugly - yours, included. God, Fleetwood, it's good to have you back. Imagine Bawee believing, even for one eentsy beentsy moment, that sanity can be returned to a place that has just annihilated itself through mass shooting. Or that he would hope such a thing would happen in the first place. On top of that Bawee, being an American and living off the fat of the land in one way or other despite his residency in a different country, considers himself so above such violent lunacy. But, once again, you have caught him in his own hypocrisy. Kraft Dinner all around - on me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could... I flew in to Indianapolis on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited after spending a red-eye flight stuck next to a guy with foul breath who passed ou... View on pando.com http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Preview by Yahoo
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Barry, I doubt America will ever be 100% armed and dangerous. However,the violent criminally mind percentage will be and there will be enough of the rest of us, to at least, keep them guessing as to who is and who isn't armed. Do you feel lucky today...well do you, punk? On Friday, May 9, 2014 6:25 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Fanaticism is always ugly - yours, included. God, Fleetwood, it's good to have you back. Imagine Bawee believing, even for one eentsy beentsy moment, that sanity can be returned to a place that has just annihilated itself through mass shooting. Or that he would hope such a thing would happen in the first place. On top of that Bawee, being an American and living off the fat of the land in one way or other despite his residency in a different country, considers himself so above such violent lunacy. But, once again, you have caught him in his own hypocrisy. Kraft Dinner all around - on me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could... I flew in to Indianapolis on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited after spending a red-eye flight stuck next to a guy with foul breath who passed ou... View on pando.com Preview by Yahoo
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or how about, Flitting?? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Fleetwood! Can I call you Fleeting...? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Fanaticism is always ugly - yours, included. God, Fleetwood, it's good to have you back. Imagine Bawee believing, even for one eentsy beentsy moment, that sanity can be returned to a place that has just annihilated itself through mass shooting. Or that he would hope such a thing would happen in the first place. On top of that Bawee, being an American and living off the fat of the land in one way or other despite his residency in a different country, considers himself so above such violent lunacy. But, once again, you have caught him in his own hypocrisy. Kraft Dinner all around - on me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could... I flew in to Indianapolis on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited after spending a red-eye flight stuck next to a guy with foul breath who passed ou... View on pando.com http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Preview by Yahoo
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Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to make ourselves feel better that we are doing SOMETHING is the answer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could... I flew in to Indianapolis on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited after spending a red-eye flight stuck next to a guy with foul breath who passed ou... View on pando.com http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Preview by Yahoo
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I agree with the gun saturation making this a big problem, regardless if all gun sales were stopped today. My dad had quite a collection - hundreds - and one thing I can say, is that guns last. Not like a modern appliance, where circuits or electronics can stop working, or a plastic part eventually breaks. Guns are built with a few working parts, all metal, and will continue to accurately function for a hundred years, or more. I still have a .32 colt semi-automatic, and a couple of .38 revolvers, colt and sw - not so much for protection, as for target shooting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to make ourselves feel better that we are doing SOMETHING is the answer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could... I flew in to Indianapolis on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited after spending a red-eye flight stuck next to a guy with foul breath who passed ou... View on pando.com http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Preview by Yahoo
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While I agree with you that the problem is probably unresolvable at this point because 1) there are too many guns already to ever be controlled, 2) there would be a huge black market of them if they ever *were* truly controlled, and 3) Americans really *do* have a people problem that is larger than its gun problem, I was nonetheless horrified that the gun manufacturers and the NRA could be so crazy as to try to use the smart gun thing to make guns MORE available. And to argue that owning a smart gun should allow the person who owns it to get on a plane with it. That speaks to me of a country beyond repair, and possibly beyond the hope of rehabilitation. I completely agree with you that if a child (or anyone) dies as the result of a gun kept in the home, at the hands of one of their children, both parents should be tried for murder and spend the rest of their lives in prison. And I do feel fortunate to live in a country that avoided the gun insanity that America fell prey to. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 5:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to make ourselves feel better that we are doing SOMETHING is the answer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could... I flew in to
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And I do feel fortunate to live in a country that avoided the gun insanity that America fell prey to. Yes, we, in America, feel fortunate about your decision, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : While I agree with you that the problem is probably unresolvable at this point because 1) there are too many guns already to ever be controlled, 2) there would be a huge black market of them if they ever *were* truly controlled, and 3) Americans really *do* have a people problem that is larger than its gun problem, I was nonetheless horrified that the gun manufacturers and the NRA could be so crazy as to try to use the smart gun thing to make guns MORE available. And to argue that owning a smart gun should allow the person who owns it to get on a plane with it. That speaks to me of a country beyond repair, and possibly beyond the hope of rehabilitation. I completely agree with you that if a child (or anyone) dies as the result of a gun kept in the home, at the hands of one of their children, both parents should be tried for murder and spend the rest of their lives in prison. And I do feel fortunate to live in a country that avoided the gun insanity that America fell prey to. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 5:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to make ourselves feel better that we are doing SOMETHING is the answer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally
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Heaven forfend that Barry should read the article at the link I posted, which reports on a recent Gallup survey showing that large majorities of Americans are in favor of various approaches to gun control. What Americans have is a political problem in which minorities and special interest groups like the NRA are able to block the majority's strong preference for gun control. That's ultimately also a people problem in that we let things get to this infuriating state of affairs. But it's not a people problem in terms of everyone wanting guns to be uncontrolled, as Barry seems to believe. Americans really *do* have a people problem that is larger than its gun problem
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I don't own a gun but for the reasons you state I am very much for keeping the right of people to own them. However I can't see much sense in people owning automatic weapons. And I think parading around open carry sort of sets things up for gun confiscation. Not big on seeing the open carry nuts at Starbucks. I also think this country long ago would have been turned into a fascist state by the rich if they knew their asses were going to get shot because people have guns. They are a good deterrent against that crowd too. On 05/09/2014 08:00 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to make ourselves feel better that we are doing SOMETHING is the answer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ image http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could... http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ I flew in to Indianapolis on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited after spending a red-eye flight stuck next to a guy with foul breath who passed ou... View on pando.com
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--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : I don't own a gun but for the reasons you state I am very much for keeping the right of people to own them. However I can't see much sense in people owning automatic weapons. And I think parading around open carry sort of sets things up for gun confiscation. Not big on seeing the open carry nuts at Starbucks. C: I know what you mean. Personally I don't really care about which guns people own. I'm not sure what you mean by automatic. Full auto IS illegal, semi auto is legal. You can squeeze that trigger pretty fast so the difference is minor especially since most people are shitty aims with full auto weapons. I think the assault rifle debate is a bogus distinction. They look scarier but all guns do the same job. Distinguishing between guns is in the make us feel better while doing nothing bin for me. B: I also think this country long ago would have been turned into a fascist state by the rich if they knew their asses were going to get shot because people have guns. They are a good deterrent against that crowd too. C: I hear this argument a lot but it never rings true for me. Have you seen the guns the government has? The rich owns them too! But if you want to rail against the rigged system the rich have created in our government I am all in. On 05/09/2014 08:00 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to make ourselves feel better that we are doing SOMETHING is the answer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd
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When did a gun kill anyone ? The problem is stress, not the amount of guns. Only huge purification of collective consciousness will take care of it. It's a huge task but it will happen, gradually. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I agree with the gun saturation making this a big problem, regardless if all gun sales were stopped today. My dad had quite a collection - hundreds - and one thing I can say, is that guns last. Not like a modern appliance, where circuits or electronics can stop working, or a plastic part eventually breaks. Guns are built with a few working parts, all metal, and will continue to accurately function for a hundred years, or more. I still have a .32 colt semi-automatic, and a couple of .38 revolvers, colt and sw - not so much for protection, as for target shooting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to make ourselves feel better that we are doing SOMETHING is the answer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could... http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ I flew in to Indianapolis on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited
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Agreed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When did a gun kill anyone ? The problem is stress, not the amount of guns. Only huge purification of collective consciousness will take care of it. It's a huge task but it will happen, gradually. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I agree with the gun saturation making this a big problem, regardless if all gun sales were stopped today. My dad had quite a collection - hundreds - and one thing I can say, is that guns last. Not like a modern appliance, where circuits or electronics can stop working, or a plastic part eventually breaks. Guns are built with a few working parts, all metal, and will continue to accurately function for a hundred years, or more. I still have a .32 colt semi-automatic, and a couple of .38 revolvers, colt and sw - not so much for protection, as for target shooting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to make ourselves feel better that we are doing SOMETHING is the answer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first http://pando.com/2014/05/07/the-zuckerberg-of-guns-could-save-lives-and-make-millions-for-the-industry-but-hell-have-to-fight-the-nra-first/ Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could...
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Doesn't take much technology to build a completely new one, from scratch, either! On Friday, May 9, 2014 8:09 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I agree with the gun saturation making this a big problem, regardless if all gun sales were stopped today. My dad had quite a collection - hundreds - and one thing I can say, is that guns last. Not like a modern appliance, where circuits or electronics can stop working, or a plastic part eventually breaks. Guns are built with a few working parts, all metal, and will continue to accurately function for a hundred years, or more. I still have a .32 colt semi-automatic, and a couple of .38 revolvers, colt and sw - not so much for protection, as for target shooting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to make ourselves feel better that we are doing SOMETHING is the answer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could... I flew in to Indianapolis on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited after spending a red-eye flight stuck next to a guy with foul breath who passed ou... View on pando.com Preview by Yahoo
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From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com snip excellent stuff to I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. I've been thinking about your reply, Curtis, and it's helped me to see how much of my current world view is colored by where I live. I have lived in places where I *should* have been totin' a gun. In parts of Morocco, for example, or when I made an ill-advised Road Trip to Algeria without realizing it was a war zone. And in Santa Fe I admit to having actually owned a sawed-off shotgun for home protection because I wandered into a Gun Show there one day and looked around the National Guard Armory at the people around me who *did* own guns, and figured that I should get one to, to protect myself from *them*. :-) I never wound up firing the shotgun, even at a test range, and gave it to the Police Department when I left Santa Fe for good. (I thought that would be wiser than giving it to a friend or just tossing it in a dumpster.) And since then I've been living in Europe, which is so NOT a gun culture. Yes, people go hunting, and use shotguns, airguns, and the occasional rifle to do so, but in all three of the countries I've lived in, the concept of owning a handgun -- or needing one -- simply wouldn't occur to 95% of the population. In some of the countries, like France, it would be hard to even buy one. Guns just really aren't the dick substitutes here that they are in America. Europe is just SO not a gun-totin' culture. At least at this point, and in the 'hoods I choose to frequent. That said, if I were writing this from, say, Uganda or the Ukraine, I might have a Glock in an EZ-Out holster mounted under my desk. It's just that I don't have to think about that shit living where I live right now. I might have to if I were back in the US, even in relatively peaceful Santa Fe. I'm just happy that I don't have to live with that ever-present threat of crime (or FEAR of the ever-present threat of crime) that drives America to be such a gun culture. The most damage the average Dutch person is going to be able to do to me is by ramming me with his bicycle while trying to text while riding. And I'm not really convinced that either of us carrying a BFG (Big Fucking Gun) would make even that encounter more productive. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could... I flew in to Indianapolis on Friday morning, sleep deprived and dispirited after spending a red-eye flight stuck next to a guy with foul breath who passed ou... View on pando.com Preview by Yahoo
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On 5/9/2014 2:52 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I've been thinking about your reply, Curtis, and it's helped me to see how much of my current world view is colored by where I live. I have lived in places where I *should* have been totin' a gun. In parts of Morocco, for example, or when I made an ill-advised Road Trip to Algeria without realizing it was a war zone. And in Santa Fe I admit to having actually owned a sawed-off shotgun for home protection because I wandered into a Gun Show there one day and looked around the National Guard Armory at the people around me who *did* own guns, and figured that I should get one to, to protect myself from *them*. :-) Almost everything you posted here is illegal - it's against the law to carry a hidden firearm on your person in Morroco, Algeria or Sante Fe, NM. And it's also illegal to purchase a sawed off shot gun at a gun show anywhere. What are you insane? It's also illegal for an insane person to even own a gun in the U.S. You're not even making any sense. Go figure.. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/9/2014 11:10 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : I don't own a gun but for the reasons you state I am very much for keeping the right of people to own them. However I can't see much sense in people owning automatic weapons. It is illegal in the U.S. to own a fully automatic weapon, so most people own semi-automatics. Around here you can carry a rifle in plain sight if you are going to or returning from a hunting session. You can also carry a hidden firearm on your person to certain places, if you have a concealed gun permit. In an altercation with someone you should never reveal your weapon unless you plan to use it in order to defend your life or family. Never go to a gun fight without a gun. That's what I think. And I think parading around open carry sort of sets things up for gun confiscation. You aren't supposed to get your gun confiscated it it's legal to carry your firearm openly. Not big on seeing the open carry nuts at Starbucks. If you saw someone openly carrying a gun at Starbucks and it was legal for them to do so, it might give you pause before you started acting like a nut and shooting up the place. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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I live in a bit of crime area and work in a resurgent area. But I do plan to get my cc permit in a couple weeks. I went to the shooting range last week to get familiar with the two hand guns passed down to me from my grandfather and dad to me. One is a 32 cal. Smith Wesson snub nose revolver, and the other is a 32 cal. Colt semi automatic. There was no thrill for me in firing the weapons, and it was incredibly loud. But I figure I'd rather have the permit, than not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I agree with the gun saturation making this a big problem, regardless if all gun sales were stopped today. My dad had quite a collection - hundreds - and one thing I can say, is that guns last. Not like a modern appliance, where circuits or electronics can stop working, or a plastic part eventually breaks. Guns are built with a few working parts, all metal, and will continue to accurately function for a hundred years, or more. I still have a .32 colt semi-automatic, and a couple of .38 revolvers, colt and sw - not so much for protection, as for target shooting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to make ourselves feel better that we are doing SOMETHING is the answer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first
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--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : snip The most damage the average Dutch person is going to be able to do to me is by ramming me with his bicycle while trying to text while riding. And I'm not really convinced that either of us carrying a BFG (Big Fucking Gun) would make even that encounter more productive. :-) C: Around there the statistically more significant threat is on the super highways. I don't feel fear where I live but I do when I drive sometimes. Some people get there aggression out when driving and the tolerance for error is very small on our over congested roads. Sometimes I realize that some driver would really rather DIE than let my car over so I can get to my ramp! The game of chicken is pretty constant and so unnecessary. I am what they call a yielder driver. I get a buzz from letting someone into a lane in front of me and seeing the friendly hand wave. There was a funny Seinfeld where Jerry got very wound up when someone didn't give him his wave. I can actually relate. So my obit is very likely to include something about being in traffic and very unlikely to be that I died in a hail of bullets. I try to keep my fear in line with the stats as best I can. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com snip excellent stuff to I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. I've been thinking about your reply, Curtis, and it's helped me to see how much of my current world view is colored by where I live. I have lived in places where I *should* have been totin' a gun. In parts of Morocco, for example, or when I made an ill-advised Road Trip to Algeria without realizing it was a war zone. And in Santa Fe I admit to having actually owned a sawed-off shotgun for home protection because I wandered into a Gun Show there one day and looked around the National Guard Armory at the people around me who *did* own guns, and figured that I should get one to, to protect myself from *them*. :-) I never wound up firing the shotgun, even at a test range, and gave it to the Police Department when I left Santa Fe for good. (I thought that would be wiser than giving it to a friend or just tossing it in a dumpster.) And since then I've been living in Europe, which is so NOT a gun culture. Yes, people go hunting, and use shotguns, airguns, and the occasional rifle to do so, but in all three of the countries I've lived in, the concept of owning a handgun -- or needing one -- simply wouldn't occur to 95% of the population. In some of the countries, like France, it would be hard to even buy one. Guns just really aren't the dick substitutes here that they are in America. Europe is just SO not a gun-totin' culture. At least at this point, and in the 'hoods I choose to frequent. That said, if I were writing this from, say, Uganda or the Ukraine, I might have a Glock in an EZ-Out holster mounted under my desk. It's just that I don't have to think about that shit living where I live right now. I might have to if I were back in the US, even in relatively peaceful Santa Fe. I'm just happy that I don't have to live with that ever-present threat of crime (or FEAR of the ever-present threat of crime) that drives America to be such a gun culture. The most damage the average Dutch person is going to be able to do to me is by ramming me with his bicycle while trying to text while riding. And I'm not really convinced that either of us carrying a BFG (Big Fucking Gun) would make even that encounter more productive. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I live in a bit of crime area and work in a resurgent area. But I do plan to get my cc permit in a couple weeks. I went to the shooting range last week to get familiar with the two hand guns passed down to me from my grandfather and dad to me. One is a 32 cal. Smith Wesson snub nose revolver, and the other is a 32 cal. Colt semi automatic. There was no thrill for me in firing the weapons, and it was incredibly loud. But I figure I'd rather have the permit, than not. Whoa, so strange for me to read about actual people who own actual guns. I live in an area where I wouldn't have to lock anything. Not my car, not my house, not my tack room which contains approximately $35K worth of saddles. I am very fortunate. I am surrounded by law-abiding neighbors and owls, salt water bays and Douglas fir. I don't want to have to live in fear nor do I ever want to feel I should own let alone carry a gun. I am vehemently anti-gun. It makes no sense to me that any flawed human being should actually be carrying around or have access to a weapon that responds so quickly to a whim or an emotion that you can't take back once the bloody thing fires. No thanks. I'll just stay someplace where deadly weapons are not considered as essential as a toothbrush. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I agree with the gun saturation making this a big problem, regardless if all gun sales were stopped today. My dad had quite a collection - hundreds - and one thing I can say, is that guns last. Not like a modern appliance, where circuits or electronics can stop working, or a plastic part eventually breaks. Guns are built with a few working parts, all metal, and will continue to accurately function for a hundred years, or more. I still have a .32 colt semi-automatic, and a couple of .38 revolvers, colt and sw - not so much for protection, as for target shooting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to make ourselves feel better that we are doing SOMETHING is the answer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the
[FairfieldLife] Re: It turns out that America is more insane than I thought
YES, they are LOUD - quite a shock wave. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I live in a bit of crime area and work in a resurgent area. But I do plan to get my cc permit in a couple weeks. I went to the shooting range last week to get familiar with the two hand guns passed down to me from my grandfather and dad to me. One is a 32 cal. Smith Wesson snub nose revolver, and the other is a 32 cal. Colt semi automatic. There was no thrill for me in firing the weapons, and it was incredibly loud. But I figure I'd rather have the permit, than not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I agree with the gun saturation making this a big problem, regardless if all gun sales were stopped today. My dad had quite a collection - hundreds - and one thing I can say, is that guns last. Not like a modern appliance, where circuits or electronics can stop working, or a plastic part eventually breaks. Guns are built with a few working parts, all metal, and will continue to accurately function for a hundred years, or more. I still have a .32 colt semi-automatic, and a couple of .38 revolvers, colt and sw - not so much for protection, as for target shooting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to make ourselves feel better that we are doing SOMETHING is the answer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Recently I've seen more and more news articles about smart guns, which can be personalized such that they can only be fired by their owners or someone pre-authorized by them. Ah, I said to myself, this may help in the attempts to wake America up to the need for some kind of effective gun control. Imagine my shock at my own naivete when I read this excellent article, and learned how the gun industry and the NRA are already in cahoots -- long before an effective smart gun ever appears on the market -- to co-opt the technology to eliminate current gun laws and turn America into the carry your gun anytime, and anywhere nation they fantasize about in their wet dreams. If this is how America reacts to a rare sane idea in the gun control battle, I almost hope the members of the NRA succeed in their quest, and turn the country into the Everyone-Armed-At-All-Times-Free-For-All Disneyland they hope for. Then possibly they'd all shoot each other and the world would finally be a saner place. Pando at the NRA: The Zuckerberg of guns could save lives and make millions, but he'll have to fight the NRA first
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The fellow I was with, at first gave me just ear plugs. That didn't work. I then rented the big ear protectors. Like Jim said, the Colt, as old as it was, was extremely reliable. The SW snub nose, takes a special bullet that is quite expensive, so I didn't practice much with that. From what I've been told, it's a perfect defensive weapon. No safety. You just keep pulling the trigger until you don't need to anymore. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I live in a bit of crime area and work in a resurgent area. But I do plan to get my cc permit in a couple weeks. I went to the shooting range last week to get familiar with the two hand guns passed down to me from my grandfather and dad to me. One is a 32 cal. Smith Wesson snub nose revolver, and the other is a 32 cal. Colt semi automatic. There was no thrill for me in firing the weapons, and it was incredibly loud. But I figure I'd rather have the permit, than not. C: Are you using the big ear protector headphone looking things at the range? Very important. I haven't shot at a range in over a decade I really should go again. I remember that the vibe was very serious, it felt tense but real. I enjoyed shooting at the range. Something zen about learning how to relax and squeeze. A 32 should be a pleasure to shoot. You might consider getting some of the special rounds for self defense that up the stopping power for a smaller gun like that. Your gun store guy will know. Nothing like a wheel gun for reliability. I have a Walthur PPK .380 (think James Bond) which is semi auto. If I had it to do over again I would get a revolver. If you don't hold them right for the kick to eject the shell case right they can jam. Better to have it and not need it if you are in squirrelly areas. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I agree with the gun saturation making this a big problem, regardless if all gun sales were stopped today. My dad had quite a collection - hundreds - and one thing I can say, is that guns last. Not like a modern appliance, where circuits or electronics can stop working, or a plastic part eventually breaks. Guns are built with a few working parts, all metal, and will continue to accurately function for a hundred years, or more. I still have a .32 colt semi-automatic, and a couple of .38 revolvers, colt and sw - not so much for protection, as for target shooting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever twitchy tech bullshit is keeping me from saying please shop elsewhere at 140 decibels. America does seem to have a shooting each other problem.It may not have any simple solution. But I don't believe that pursuing make believe solutions to
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I know. Kinda strange Ann. These guns sat in a safe for probably 40 years untouched. They've never been needed, and aren't really needed now. But, as you mention, we do live in different areas. And, I like where I live. It is a diverse area, that is attracting new residents as urban sprawl reverses and people move back to the city. But, there is also a great element of unpredictability, and so, I am going to take a precautionary step should it ever be needed. Owls. Owls. That must be so cool. There used to be an owl that would come around every fall, but I think the people across the street got rid of the where that owl would sit. It always caused such a ruckus among the other birds when he showed up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I live in a bit of crime area and work in a resurgent area. But I do plan to get my cc permit in a couple weeks. I went to the shooting range last week to get familiar with the two hand guns passed down to me from my grandfather and dad to me. One is a 32 cal. Smith Wesson snub nose revolver, and the other is a 32 cal. Colt semi automatic. There was no thrill for me in firing the weapons, and it was incredibly loud. But I figure I'd rather have the permit, than not. Whoa, so strange for me to read about actual people who own actual guns. I live in an area where I wouldn't have to lock anything. Not my car, not my house, not my tack room which contains approximately $35K worth of saddles. I am very fortunate. I am surrounded by law-abiding neighbors and owls, salt water bays and Douglas fir. I don't want to have to live in fear nor do I ever want to feel I should own let alone carry a gun. I am vehemently anti-gun. It makes no sense to me that any flawed human being should actually be carrying around or have access to a weapon that responds so quickly to a whim or an emotion that you can't take back once the bloody thing fires. No thanks. I'll just stay someplace where deadly weapons are not considered as essential as a toothbrush. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I agree with the gun saturation making this a big problem, regardless if all gun sales were stopped today. My dad had quite a collection - hundreds - and one thing I can say, is that guns last. Not like a modern appliance, where circuits or electronics can stop working, or a plastic part eventually breaks. Guns are built with a few working parts, all metal, and will continue to accurately function for a hundred years, or more. I still have a .32 colt semi-automatic, and a couple of .38 revolvers, colt and sw - not so much for protection, as for target shooting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Couple of caveats. I think the NRA has done a lot of harm to the county and I am appalled at the power they wield in US politics beyond all reason. I am not a member and not a fan of the NRA for lots of reasons. But I also grew up within hunting culture which means gun culture. I knew how to check if a gun was loaded to sure no one got hurt by elementary school. ( I believe all kids should learn this life saving skill.) But the smart gun is no solution to anything except maybe the company who gets to cash in on the hype. The thing about guns in America is that the ship already sailed. We have guns out the wazoo and there will be no retrofitting all of them with anything. If we never made or imported another gun we would still have a gun problem. I put that in quotes because since I saw Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore and found out how many guns the relatively pacifist Canadians have. I now see the issue as a people problem. So smart gun tech will not solve our problem with people shooting each other, and if you have kids and own a gun, and the gun is not in a safe, (a real one that costs enough to actually work) and your kids shoots someone, you need to go to jail dad or mom. I live in a high crime area. I do not have a carry permit but I own a gun. I like the idea that if someone breaks in I have a chance to defend my life. I also know that this is the most long shot (funny choice of words) threat to my life as I careen around the beltway of DC where people die every day. But even so the fact is that where I live this does happen and as a guy who walks in and out of his door every day with thousands of dollars of musical gear many times a week, I do actually have a bit of a target on my door. And if I should ever have to use deadly force to defend myself against people desperate enough to come into my crib with evil intent, I am not trusting the same guys who make it impossible for me to put anyone on hold on my phone, or who turn my computer into a brick every time I play a freak'n Youtube video to make sure my gun works without a quick reboot to reset whatever
