[FairfieldLife] Re: It would be good if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buckeyecreek, my good fellow, you missed the BEST Movement phrase! It's not It would be good if..., it's Perhaps it would be best if Adding the perhaps and using best instead of good has SO many subtle advantages to it! *Especially* if the sentiment one is trying to express is, Perhaps it would be best if you shut up and did what I say/agree with me, and stop challenging my authority. It's classic passive-agressive behavior. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It would be good if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: Yes that is a good one. How about Oh, Maharishi wouldn't like that. Makes that person sound like they are in tune with the master and you aren't. All that was needed were those two magical words: Maharishi said... Or the more defensive version: BUT Maharishi said... That's not defensive...it's *offensive*. It's your classic thought-stopper, meant to silence dissent. And the fascinating thing about this term is that it is the one that is NOT learned directly from Maharishi, because he doesn't do it. He rarely silences dissent or gets passive-agressive by saying, GuruDevSez. No, this is just one of those things that people bring with them *to* a hierarchical organization and use to fight their way to the top of it. Happens in every spiritual trip with a leader at the top. The leader's name is invoked by the social climbers as they climb, usually just before they step on someone else's fingers on the ladder. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It would be good if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes that is a good one. How about Oh, Maharishi wouldn't like that. Makes that person sound like they are in tune with the master and you aren't. There is an important lesson here that I think we should all be aware of on discussion forums like this one. Have you ever noticed the subtle under- message in place when some poster accuses another of a failing? You're not being intellectually consistent or Your arguments are not rational is meant to 1) elevate the supposed value of intellectuality/ rationality and imply that they are somehow more important or more evolved than other ways of seeing things, and 2) imply that the person hurling the putdown is more in tune with this more evolved mode of functioning that the putdownee. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It would be good if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All that was needed were those two magical words: Maharishi said... Or the more defensive version: BUT Maharishi said... Or, come to think of it, *any* sentence starting with the word 'BUT...' Think about it. I've been in spiritual organizations where the students *don't* tend to argue, to start sentences with 'BUT...' and present another point of view that is obviously meant to be the right or dominant point of view. In such organizations, replies tend to start with, 'AND...,' as if the speaker were merely introducing another way of seeing the situation, one that is not necessarily superior to the point of view he or she is bouncing off of. It's more of a give-and-take, an exchange of different points of view, none necessarily better or more correct than another. Compare and contrast this to the TMO, in which we hear sentences that begin with 'BUT...' a *lot*. My suggestion for why this is is that the very nature of TM teaching is pedantry. TM teachers are trained to memorize the right answer to every question, the right comeback to every criticism. And these right answers get passed along to the TM rank and file, who then tend to mindlessly repeat them whenever the same question or criticism arises. The repeated buzzphrases and dogma were originally presented as right; they are repeated as right. There is always the supposition that there *IS* a right answer to the question or criticism, a right point of view to take in such situations. The word 'BUT..., used to introduce a sentence, in most cases defines someone who is convinced that he or she is right, and is about to make a stand and attempt to convince the other person that he or she *IS* right. It's the introduction to a butting of heads, an attempt to establish dominance. It's the expression of a self that feels challenged, an ego fighting to convince itself not only that it knows the truth, but that it exists. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It would be good if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Buckeyecreek, my good fellow, you missed the BEST Movement phrase! It's not It would be good if..., it's Perhaps it would be best if Adding the perhaps and using best instead of good has SO many subtle advantages to it! *Especially* if the sentiment one is trying to express is, Perhaps it would be best if you shut up and did what I say/agree with me, and stop challenging my authority. It's classic passive-agressive behavior. But to provide some balance, It would be good if... can also be used, and often is used, as a polite way to present an alternative way of seeing things to people who are locked into their own way of seeing things so strongly that they can see no other. It's all in the intent behind the words, and the manner in which the phrase is delivered. The key seems to be developing the intuition to tell one form of the buzzphrase from the other, to discern coercion disguised by movement-speak from an actual attempt to help out. The key factor, in my experience, is watching the speaker's history *over time*. If, over a period of time, the person using this phrase repeatedly really does seem to have the intent of smoothing things out and producing the best possible results, that should be kept in mind the next time he uses the buzzphrase. If, on the other hand, the speaker has a consistent history of trying to get his way or prove himself right and/or someone else wrong, that should also be kept in mind. I was fortunate enough to study with a teacher who trained us to listen intuitively to the intent behind words, not just to the words themselves. The same phrase can mean completely different things, depending on the intent of the person speaking it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It would be good if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: Yes that is a good one. How about Oh, Maharishi wouldn't like that. Makes that person sound like they are in tune with the master and you aren't. There is an important lesson here that I think we should all be aware of on discussion forums like this one. Have you ever noticed the subtle under- message in place when some poster accuses another of a failing? You're not being intellectually consistent or Your arguments are not rational is meant to 1) elevate the supposed value of intellectuality/ rationality and imply that they are somehow more important or more evolved than other ways of seeing things, Other ways such as being inconsistent or irrational, yes, indeed. I mean, it's just so obvious to any rational person...er, I mean, it should be obvious to anybody that consistency and inconsistency, or rationality and irrationality, are equally effective approaches to discussion, equally effective forms of communication. Actually, inconsistency and irrationality are probably *better* approaches, when you come right down to it. If you think about it rationally...er, I mean, being able to contradict yourself gives you a virtually unlimited range of options to further the discussion. and 2) imply that the person hurling the putdown is more in tune with this more evolved mode of functioning that the putdownee. That certainly is the logical conclusion...er, I mean, putting down a person who espouses rationality and consistency is the ultimate refutation to any argument they might come up with. Makes perfect sense to me...er, I mean... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It would be good if...
on 2/12/06 1:52 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/11/06 10:34:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the phrase someone always used to order us to do something in the guise of a polite request...from our meeting in La Antilla to our wedding in Fairfiled and now 26 years later, we still say to each other it would be good if... when we think someone is trying to make us do their bidding by pretending it is for our own benefit... Yes that is a good one. How about Oh, Maharishi wouldn't like that. Makes that person sound like they are in tune with the master and you aren't. Exactly. And don't forget the uniquitous Maharishisez, used to introduce a quote, taken out of context, that is supposed to silence the other person and bring the discussion or argument to a close. :-) I was once giving an intro lecture in Yonkers, NY and I kept saying Maharishisez. Finally some woman interrupted me and asked, Who's Marsha? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It would be good if...
Buckeyecreek, my good fellow, you missed the BEST Movement phrase! It's not It would be good if..., it's Perhaps it would be best if Adding the perhaps and using best instead of good has SO many subtle advantages to it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, buckeyecreek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the phrase someone always used to order us to do something in the guise of a polite request...from our meeting in La Antilla to our wedding in Fairfiled and now 26 years later, we still say to each other it would be good if... when we think someone is trying to make us do their bidding by pretending it is for our own benefit... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It would be good if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/11/06 10:34:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the phrase someone always used to order us to do something in the guise of a polite request...from our meeting in La Antilla to our wedding in Fairfiled and now 26 years later, we still say to each other it would be good if... when we think someone is trying to make us do their bidding by pretending it is for our own benefit... Yes that is a good one. How about Oh, Maharishi wouldn't like that. Makes that person sound like they are in tune with the master and you aren't. All that was needed were those two magical words: Maharishi said... Or the more defensive version: BUT Maharishi said... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It would be good if...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/11/06 10:34:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the phrase someone always used to order us to do something in the guise of a polite request...from our meeting in La Antilla to our wedding in Fairfiled and now 26 years later, we still say to each other it would be good if... when we think someone is trying to make us do their bidding by pretending it is for our own benefit... Yes that is a good one. How about Oh, Maharishi wouldn't like that. Makes that person sound like they are in tune with the master and you aren't. Exactly. And don't forget the uniquitous Maharishisez, used to introduce a quote, taken out of context, that is supposed to silence the other person and bring the discussion or argument to a close. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
