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All those thoughts and wishes about USA bankrupt and down with the Capitalism is just qotes from a book Benjamin Creme has written - so has a devotee of BC told me. Do you really know any devotee of Benjamin Creme ? (As if he has devotees). And even though you like to lash out on Benjamin Creme, you obviously do not bother to read what he writes, just spreading silly rumours is quite enough, thank you. For anyone else who is not that lazy and would would want to cut through the crap and see what this is all about - please see: http://www.shareintl.org Yes lups, I have read the entire website. It is a pleasant fantasy of a gentle, English semi-crackpot. You like what it says and confuse your liking with truth. What Master speaks through another human being? Signs made-up of weeping statues, crosses of light? This is really silly stuff. Sure, it's a sattvic fantasy, but a fantasy none the less. Just to provide some perspective, since I spent a number of years in Newage (pronounced to rhyme with 'sewage') Central, Santa Fe, New Mexico, in general Benjamin Creme has pretty much the *least* credibility of anyone in the smorgasbord of spiritual groups out there. People are more likely to quote Jim Jones as an authority than Benjamin Creme. Me, I don't know. I'm just reporting how a commun- ity of self-promoters regards one of their own kind. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Don't worry Richard; The US economy will collapse and the only hope for the country will be The United Nations. Lupi sounds like you have your fingers crossed! I certainly do. I think the primary hope for the world is the US economy finally having to confront its bankruptcy. It's power in the world is based on the perpetuation of a fiction, that it is econ- omically solvent. It isn't. When the rest of the world stops pretending and perpetuating the fiction, the power of the US and its tendency to abuse it will fade as quickly as a headwaiter's interest in a customer when he realizes the guy doesn't have a cent. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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oops- didn't mean to post this three times!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though not as much as US and Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war...and please don't conveniently forget the technology we supplied to Saddam to make chemical weapons which he used both on Iran and the Kurds. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/1/05 9:41:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Conscience? LOL!! The French vote their wallet, just like all other nations do. The fact that the French wallet is often in competition with the American wallet leads to our conflicts, not any mystical French conscience. The French economy is very week and cheap oil has been instrumental it keeping it from going into recession. Chirac and Saddam Scratched each others backs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 6/3/05 1:03:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't worry Richard; The US economy will collapse and the only hope for the country will be The United Nations. Lupi sounds like you have your fingers crossed!I certainly do. I think the primary hope for the world is the US economy finally having to confrontits bankruptcy. It's "power" in the world is basedon the perpetuation of a fiction, that it is econ-omically solvent. It isn't. When the rest of theworld stops pretending and perpetuating the fiction,the "power" of the US and its tendency to abuse itwill fade as quickly as a headwaiter's interest ina customer when he realizes the guy doesn't have a cent.Unc So what do you suppose would happen if the United States economy were to collapse? I take it you're not in need of a job, health care insurance, any social services, money, food clothing etc. What do you think will happen to all those Chinese and Indians that we employ directly or indirectly and all that Arab oil money that feeds the Middle east? You don't think the US economy would have a "rippling" effect, and I put that gently, on the rest of the world's economies who are also either depending on ours or are struggling to keep their heads above water? Just think what you would see, no more Made in Japan or Made in China stickers on anything and nothing on the shelves to replace them. With a collapsed US economy there wouldn't even be any money available to restart our own industries that used to make all of those products. Talk about stem cell research, there wouldn't be enough money for the government to deliver the mail, hope you're not on SS yet. But maybe you could hunker down some place and survive. you'll have a better chance in the South so you won't freeze to death and you can grow your own food most of the year, that is if you can find some land to buy with all of that gold you must have stashed away because that will be the only thing anybody will take in payment of anything. It really is a shame you hate your country enough that you would want to bring on a calamity such as this. I'm certainly glad I don't share your pessimism. Do you have a problem with depression?By the way the United States is NOT bankrupt it can pay it's bills easily and still generate more wealthas long as most of us stay off the Big Government tit. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Unc All those thoughts and wishes about USA bankrupt and down with the Capitalism is just qotes from a book Benjamin Creme has written - so has a devotee of BC told me. Not much to bother about. In the good old days - MMY said something that every political system is great - it depends only of how enlightened the citizen is. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/3/05 1:03:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't worry Richard; The US economy will collapse and the only hope for the country will be The United Nations. Lupi sounds like you have your fingers crossed! I certainly do. I think the primary hope for the world is the US economy finally having to confront its bankruptcy. It's power in the world is based on the perpetuation of a fiction, that it is econ- omically solvent. It isn't. When the rest of the world stops pretending and perpetuating the fiction, the power of the US and its tendency to abuse it will fade as quickly as a headwaiter's interest in a customer when he realizes the guy doesn't have a cent. Unc So what do you suppose would happen if the United States economy were to collapse? I take it you're not in need of a job, health care insurance, any social services , money, food clothing etc. What do you think will happen to all those Chinese and Indians that we employ directly or indirectly and all that Arab oil money that feeds the Middle east? You don't think the US economy would have a rippling effect, and I put that gently, on the rest of the world's economies who are also either depending on ours or are struggling to keep their heads above water? Just think what you would see, no more Made in Japan or Made in China stickers on anything and nothing on the shelves to replace them. With a collapsed US economy there wouldn't even be any money available to restart our own industries that used to make all of those products. Talk about stem cell research, there wouldn't be enough money for the government to deliver the mail, hope you're not on SS yet. But maybe you could hunker down some place and survive. you'll have a better chance in the South so you won't freeze to death and you can grow your own food most of the year, that is if you can find some land to buy with all of that gold you must have stashed away because that will be the only thing anybody will take in payment of anything. It really is a shame you hate your country enough that you would want to bring on a calamity such as this. I'm certainly glad I don't share your pessimism. Do you have a problem with depression?By the way the United States is NOT bankrupt it can pay it's bills easily and still generate more wealth as long as most of us stay off the Big Government tit. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what do you suppose would happen if the United States economy were to collapse? The entire world would go through some terrible times, but IMO would be safer and saner as a result. I take it you're not in need of a job, health care insurance, any social services , money, food clothing etc. What do you think will happen to all those Chinese and Indians that we employ directly or indirectly and all that Arab oil money that feeds the Middle east? Many of them would be healthier. With all due respect, your knowledge of the world seems as based on Bushite and gung-ho American propaganda as your knowledge of spiritual subjects seems as based on Maharishi propa- ganda. The US does not prop up the Chinese and Arab economies; it's the other way around. In the short term they would lose a great deal of capital as the US abrogated its debts to them, but having an actual economy of their own (as opposed to the US), they would recover and not make the mistake of investing in the US again in the future. You don't think the US economy would have a rippling effect, and I put that gently, on the rest of the world's economies who are also either depending on ours or are struggling to keep their heads above water? On the contrary, I think that the inevitable collapse of the US house-of-cards economy will have a *huge* effect on the rest of the world's economies. I think things will be very, very tough indeed, for a period of time that may last 5 to 10 years. After that, the countries with *real* functioning economies would recover and build on strong foundations (not credit) and would take their rightful place in the global economy network. The US probably would take 10-15 years to do so, if it ever recovered. If it does not, I for one will not shed a single tear. A period of humility as a third-world nation would do them a world of good. Just think what you would see, no more Made in Japan or Made in China stickers on anything and nothing on the shelves to replace them. As I said before, your naivete about how the global economy works is second only to your naivete about how the larger world of spiritual practice and teach- ing works. Sorry, but that's my honest opinion. But then I don't live in the US, so I get real news from real news organizations, so you're working under a handicap in that area. And I'm not limited spiritually to getting the straight dope from Maharishi, so I have a great deal more information from which to work in that arena as well. These are Just My Opinions, dude. I am not trying to say that they are correct or Truth, just the way I see things. I'm not trying to sell them to you or convince you. I'm just telling it the way it looks to me, from the vantage point of Paris, France, June 2005. With a collapsed US economy there wouldn't even be any money available to restart our own industries... YOUR own economies, Chucko. I don't live there, and never will again. To paraphrase Dr. Emilio Lizardo in Buckaroo Banzai, It's not my goddamned country, Monkeyboy. :-) :-) :-) ...that used to make all of those products. Talk about stem cell research, there wouldn't be enough money for the government to deliver the mail, hope you're not on SS yet. I don't depend on the US government for anything. That's YOUR problem, not mine. :-) But maybe you could hunker down some place and survive. I have every intention of doing so, and a whole set of contingency plans for doing so, whatever happens. ...you'll have a better chance in the South so you won't freeze to death and you can grow your own food most of the year, that is if you can find some land to buy with all of that gold you must have stashed away because that will be the only thing anybody will take in payment of anything. Already handled. Although the South is the south of France. :-) It really is a shame you hate your country enough that you would want to bring on a calamity such as this. You don't read well, do you? The US is not my country any more. And, far from hating it, I love it dearly and wish it would get over this fit of insufferable ego and stupidity and ignorance and hatred and greed it's going through. And I wish it would do so peacefully. But those wishes faded with the results of the last election. 40% of Americans didn't even bother to VOTE, man, with every- thing that was on the line in that election. It's not as if I expect them to stand up and change things on their own. I honestly do not see that happening any more. So I reluctantly look for other solutions to the Problem That Is America. It's a big fucking problem. And the solution to the problem is evident, if one just looks at it closely and dispassionately enough. America is BANKRUPT. It has to borrow 2 billion dollars a DAY just to get by. It's an entire nation whose approach to life is the same as an
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Now that was a worthy diatribe. Thanks Dudes. BTW, Dud is Tibetan for Rakshasha. The entire world would go through some terrible times,but IMO would be safer and saner as a result. ---I hate to say it but I agree, a world without an America seems to be a saner place to me. But then. I live in America and hate my bosses and am anti-authoritarian, propped up by my credit and living on borrowed time. I don't honestly feel sane usually and so I feel that America is my reflection, as much of or as little of it that I actually did help form in the first place. I take it you're not in need of a job, health care insurance, any social services , money, food clothing etc. What do you think will happen to all those Chinese and Indians that we employ directly or indirectly and all that Arab oil money that feeds the Middle east? Many of them would be healthier. With all due respect,your knowledge of the world seems as based on Bushiteand gung-ho American propaganda as your knowledge ofspiritual subjects seems as based on Maharishi propa-ganda. The US does not prop up the Chinese and Arabeconomies; it's the other way around. In the short term they would lose a great deal of capital as theUS abrogated its debts to them, but having an actualeconomy of their own (as opposed to the US), they wouldrecover and not make the mistake of investing in theUS again in the future. You who?! I didn't vote for Bush. I voted against him. Personally I have enjoyed the piracy of American copywrited goods from the Chinese and Arab Emirate backed software reverse engineering rings. You don't think the US economy would have a "rippling" effect, and I put that gently, on the rest of the world's economies who are also either depending on ours or are struggling to keep their heads above water? On the contrary, I think that the inevitable collapseof the US house-of-cards economy will have a *huge*effect on the rest of the world's economies. I thinkthings will be very, very tough indeed, for a periodof time that may last 5 to 10 years. After that, thecountries with *real* functioning economies would recoverand build on strong foundations (not credit) and wouldtake their rightful place in the global economy network.The US probably would take 10-15 years to do so, if itever recovered. If it does not, I for one will not sheda single tear. A period of humility as a third-worldnation would do them a world of good. -It did Haiti good, that's for sure. These are Just My Opinions, dude. I am not trying tosay that they are correct or Truth, just the way I seethings. I'm not trying to sell them to you or convinceyou. I'm just telling it the way it looks to me, fromthe vantage point of Paris, France, June 2005. Well, it is the ten headed dragon that gets in bed with the beast in Revs. That's not America. Euro ho. With a collapsed US economy there wouldn't even be any money available to restart our own industries...YOUR own economies, Chucko. I don't live there, andnever will again. To paraphrase Dr. Emilio Lizardo in Buckaroo Banzai, "It's not my goddamned country, Monkeyboy." :-) :-) :-) But he was in the 25th dimension. But really is an American actor. But maybe you could hunker down some place and survive. I have every intention of doing so, and a whole set ofcontingency plans for doing so, whatever happens. See, that's the attitude right there of those in power in America who think they're safe from their deeds. Meanwhile there's the peon like myself who can't do a fucking thing to change shit! I protested Bush right from the very second after 9/11. I understood the entire scenario. Still do. I knew it meant WW3. I went out protesting not long after, by myself, with a sign that said, "Just say no to WW3." People, since they lack vision beyond the edge of their plate thought I was crazy. Der. People are so stupid. Americans need more bullfights so they can see how the simple mind works. And, far from hating it, I love it dearly and wishit would get over this fit of insufferable ego and stupidityand ignorance and hatred and greed it's going through. AndI wish it would do so peacefully. Yep, what you said.But those wishes faded with the results of the last election.40% of Americans didn't even bother to VOTE, man, with every-thing that was on the line in that election. It's not as ifI expect them to stand up and change things on their own. Ihonestly do not see that happening any more. -Yep, what you said.So I reluctantly look for other solutions to the Problem ThatIs America. It's a big fucking problem. And the solutionto the problem is evident, if one just looks at it closelyand dispassionately enough. America is BANKRUPT. -Well, much of it is virtual debt. Like say, I take from my right pocket fifty billion and sell it to my left pocket. Moreover, much of the debt is to those who in wartime stand the best chance to make
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In a message dated 6/3/05 9:29:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These are Just My Opinions, dude. I am not trying tosay that they are correct or Truth, just the way I seethings. I'm not trying to sell them to you or convinceyou. I'm just telling it the way it looks to me, fromthe vantage point of Paris, France, June 2005. Well you know what they say about opinions, they are like ass holes because everybody has one. As for not knowing you didn't live in the United States, until I read this post you never informed me. Hope you enjoy France and stay there. Wish more like you would take up residency there. By the way, have the French learned about bathing yet? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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By the way, have the French learned about bathing yet? Never. Which leads to an interesting point in the international business scene, and that is prestidigitation. That is, as market place traders know, the eye pupils show interest, and so does the scent of the body. Infact, there are many telltale other-than verbal cues that give away the hand of the protagonist. So that's why it's standard to scrub all telltale pheromones, and wear shades, and dress in the muted, alter-penis tie around the neck non agressive jackanapes facade and so on in the market. To not give away any cues as to ones real motivation. Now what lack of those traits shows is what? lack of willingness to do business? Or lack of willingness to be false or to not play cards or whathaveyou? I don't know, but I'll bet you this. It's the caustic nature of this thing out of proportion which has made France the perfume and fashion capitol of the world. That is to say, that the perpetual mafia and crime in inner city France, from Marseille to Paris and back, and the ever present outcaste underworld of stinky and skanky theives and grifters, drug addicts and whores, which makes up the bulk of the population is wearing une maske grande... Such a twist. Amongst themselves the French are stinky and skanky, but to the rest of the world they are the fashion avant garde. Denial doesn't get one first place in the best of nations award. Just like how since onions and garlic are stinky they make poor foodstuffs taste good, and hence they are considered in poor taste amongst the (ever shrinking) aristos. Anyway, I'm full of shit. I don't expect any sort of response. At best I get a response to about 1% of any total written bulk of garbage I lay out. But iti was fun to say. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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thanks for the current picture. We know a couple across the street and the wife is French- absolutely wonderful person, and damn, doesn't conform to any negative stereotype!! what's up with that?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, have the French learned about bathing yet? Never. Actually, that's not true. Really. I was here decades ago, and the concept of regular bathing and deodorants hadn't...uh...caught on at that time. Now, it's totally different. Since when I'm working in Paris I ride the Metro, I can assure you that doing so is a far more pleasant and less fragrant experience than taking public transportation in, say, New York. Go figure. *Lots* of things have changed in the last few years in France. For example, the French were slow to adopt personal computers and the Internet, partly because they're resistant to change for change's sake, partly because in Minitel they had had an alternative system for decades that worked just fine for them. Then the price of computers dropped and the availability of broadband mushroomed and now, within the last year and a half, over one-third of France's population is on the Net. If I'm not mistaken, that's a bigger jump for that short a period of time than in any other country. The French are still infuriating in many ways, but that is more than made up for by the food, the wine, the cafes, and the lifestyle. For example, my health insurance bill here is 295 Euros. A year. For more coverage than I got in the US for $600+ per month. The French get a minimum of eight weeks paid vacation a year. And they're still very much a participatory democracy. When the government does something they don't like, they just stage a general strike and nothing moves in the country. Nothing. No trains, no cabs, no busses, no planes, no garbage pickup, nothing. And they keep it up until the government backs down. Inconvenient, during the strike, but a remarkable contrast to the passivity of Americans. Anyway, they bathe. And the women shave their legs. And because those women are descendents of the Gene Pool of the Gods, the legs are not only clean and smooth, they are generally attractive as well. It's a tough life, but someone's gotta live it... :-) Unc Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 6/3/05 10:28:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyway, I'm full of shit. I don't expect any sort of response. At best I get a response to about 1% of any total written bulk of garbage I lay out. But iti was fun to say. And it was fun to read as long as you don't take it seriously! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd All those thoughts and wishes about USA bankrupt and down with the Capitalism is just qotes from a book Benjamin Creme has written - so has a devotee of BC told me. Do you really know any devotee of Benjamin Creme ? (As if he has devotees). And even though you like to lash out on Benjamin Creme, you obviously do not bother to read what he writes, just spreading silly rumours is quite enough, thank you. For anyone else who is not that lazy and would would want to cut through the crap and see what this is all about - please see: http://www.shareintl.org To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though not as much as US and Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war...and please don't conveniently forget the technology we supplied to Saddam to make chemical weapons which he used both on Iran and the Kurds. Our main contribution to Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war was acting as a go-between with our allies who had Soviet-compatible weapons and ammo to replenish his supplies. We didn't sell him that many arms or ammo or whatever. We just made it possible for him to get them from non-Soviet sources because the Soviets were annoyed at him for waging war with another USSR client state, so they'd seriously cut his supply line as punishment. We took advantage of this in order to gain influence over him by stepping in to fill the void. Direct sales from the US to Iraq were relatively slim during that time, although we DID take Iraq off the list of no-no nations so we could sell him dual-use chemicals. To justify this, we even declared that it was the Iranians who had gassed the Kurds, not the Iraqis, which will make Saddam's trial over this issue quite interesting, if it ever happens. Thanks for the details. My point being that we [usa] will gladly hop into bed with the worst of the worst if it serves our often shortsighted foreign policy objectives. Thank God the 'cold war' is over, though I honestly thought diplomatic initiatives would've been used more effectively and taken more seriously now. A real shame that so much of the usa economy is built on supporting the military. Sure makes it more difficult to move in a peaceful direction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd All those thoughts and wishes about USA bankrupt and down with the Capitalism is just qotes from a book Benjamin Creme has written - so has a devotee of BC told me. Do you really know any devotee of Benjamin Creme ? (As if he has devotees). And even though you like to lash out on Benjamin Creme, you obviously do not bother to read what he writes, just spreading silly rumours is quite enough, thank you. For anyone else who is not that lazy and would would want to cut through the crap and see what this is all about - please see: http://www.shareintl.org Yes lups, I have read the entire website. It is a pleasant fantasy of a gentle, English semi-crackpot. You like what it says and confuse your liking with truth. What Master speaks through another human being? Signs made-up of weeping statues, crosses of light? This is really silly stuff. Sure, it's a sattvic fantasy, but a fantasy none the less. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, have the French learned about bathing yet? Never. Actually, that's not true. Really. I was here decades ago, and the concept of regular bathing and deodorants hadn't...uh...caught on at that time. Now, it's totally different. Since when I'm working in Paris I ride the Metro, I can assure you that doing so is a far more pleasant and less fragrant experience than taking public transportation in, say, New York. Go figure. *Lots* of things have changed in the last few years in France. For example, the French were slow to adopt personal computers and the Internet, partly because they're resistant to change for change's sake, partly because in Minitel they had had an alternative system for decades that worked just fine for them. Then the price of computers dropped and the availability of broadband mushroomed and now, within the last year and a half, over one-third of France's population is on the Net. If I'm not mistaken, that's a bigger jump for that short a period of time than in any other country. Except Singapre, where they went from zero to 100% when the government wired the country with fiber optics. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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singapore isn't a democracy...makes a difference --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, have the French learned about bathing yet? Never. Actually, that's not true. Really. I was here decades ago, and the concept of regular bathing and deodorants hadn't...uh...caught on at that time. Now, it's totally different. Since when I'm working in Paris I ride the Metro, I can assure you that doing so is a far more pleasant and less fragrant experience than taking public transportation in, say, New York. Go figure. *Lots* of things have changed in the last few years in France. For example, the French were slow to adopt personal computers and the Internet, partly because they're resistant to change for change's sake, partly because in Minitel they had had an alternative system for decades that worked just fine for them. Then the price of computers dropped and the availability of broadband mushroomed and now, within the last year and a half, over one-third of France's population is on the Net. If I'm not mistaken, that's a bigger jump for that short a period of time than in any other country. Except Singapre, where they went from zero to 100% when the government wired the country with fiber optics. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conscience? LOL!! The French vote their wallet, just like all other nations do. The fact that the French wallet is often in competition with the American wallet leads to our conflicts, not any mystical French conscience. The French also vote from their experience. Historically, the French have more experience dealing with terrorism than any other country; it started with Morocco in the 1950s and continued on from there. And along the way they have made almost every mistake a nation could pos- sibly make dealing with terrorism, and have learned a little in the process about what works and what only makes things worse. It was on that basis that they rejected the rush to war on Iraq. There *were* economic issues involved, such as the absolute certainty that the moment the US went in all existing contracts with France would be declared null and void, whether France was on board or not (that was determined as a result of French intelligence reports of what US leaders were planning even before the rush to war was announced), but the bottom line is that the French are not gonna get involved with another unwinnable war against people who are fight- ing for their own country, and they're going to advise their friends not to do so, either. It was the choice of the US, acting like an out-of- control drug addict who has hit his friends up for more money to buy drugs and has been told No, to consider the friend trying to help them an enemy. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I see your point on the French. Although I still have a button about helping bail them out twice last century, they certainly figured out that Viet Nam was a losing proposition. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conscience? LOL!! The French vote their wallet, just like all other nations do. The fact that the French wallet is often in competition with the American wallet leads to our conflicts, not any mystical French conscience. The French also vote from their experience. Historically, the French have more experience dealing with terrorism than any other country; it started with Morocco in the 1950s and continued on from there. And along the way they have made almost every mistake a nation could pos- sibly make dealing with terrorism, and have learned a little in the process about what works and what only makes things worse. It was on that basis that they rejected the rush to war on Iraq. There *were* economic issues involved, such as the absolute certainty that the moment the US went in all existing contracts with France would be declared null and void, whether France was on board or not (that was determined as a result of French intelligence reports of what US leaders were planning even before the rush to war was announced), but the bottom line is that the French are not gonna get involved with another unwinnable war against people who are fight- ing for their own country, and they're going to advise their friends not to do so, either. It was the choice of the US, acting like an out-of- control drug addict who has hit his friends up for more money to buy drugs and has been told No, to consider the friend trying to help them an enemy. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I see your point on the French. Although I still have a button about helping bail them out twice last century, they certainly figured out that Viet Nam was a losing proposition. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conscience? LOL!! The French vote their wallet, just like all other nations do. The fact that the French wallet is often in competition with the American wallet leads to our conflicts, not any mystical French conscience. The French also vote from their experience. Historically, the French have more experience dealing with terrorism than any other country; it started with Morocco in the 1950s and continued on from there. And along the way they have made almost every mistake a nation could pos- sibly make dealing with terrorism, and have learned a little in the process about what works and what only makes things worse. It was on that basis that they rejected the rush to war on Iraq. There *were* economic issues involved, such as the absolute certainty that the moment the US went in all existing contracts with France would be declared null and void, whether France was on board or not (that was determined as a result of French intelligence reports of what US leaders were planning even before the rush to war was announced), but the bottom line is that the French are not gonna get involved with another unwinnable war against people who are fight- ing for their own country, and they're going to advise their friends not to do so, either. It was the choice of the US, acting like an out-of- control drug addict who has hit his friends up for more money to buy drugs and has been told No, to consider the friend trying to help them an enemy. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thanks for an insightful analysis here. Per your comments below, I'm waiting for the intervention... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was the choice of the US, acting like an out-of- control drug addict who has hit his friends up for more money to buy drugs and has been told No, to consider the friend trying to help them an enemy. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 6/1/05 1:14:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He'sbeen known to hit the ground and lie there quivering atthe sound of a car backfiring. Oh really! Perhaps you can elaborate. Or is this just fluff? I guess you can tell a lie to get your point across. Was the rest of your statement as factually based as thisone? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 6/1/05 12:55:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it was found that the vast majority had gone to usa corporations!! It was ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 6/1/05 3:04:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't worry Richard; The US economy will collapse and the only hope for the country will be The United Nations. Lupi sounds like you have your fingers crossed! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 6/1/05 9:41:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Conscience? LOL!! The French vote their wallet, just like all othernations do. The fact that the French wallet is often in competitionwith the American wallet leads to our conflicts, not any mysticalFrench conscience. The French economy is very week and cheap oil has been instrumental it keeping it from going into recession. Chirac and Saddam Scratched each others backs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/1/05 12:55:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it was found that the vast majority had gone to usa corporations!! It was ? So say many people. You could probably find out if you REALLY wanted to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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yeah, heard it on the news on TV- said 45% of the oil vouchers had been granted to usa corps, making that group the largest group of recipients. Sorry I can't be more specific. I swear I'm not making it up. However it makes sense to me, since the subject has abruptly been dropped by the congress and news outlets, and since they both feed at the same trough, tend to act in lockstep. I did google it looking for updates, but the only stories I found were pre-election of Bush ~Oct. '04, saying at that time usa had received 2 to 3% of vouchers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/1/05 12:55:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it was found that the vast majority had gone to usa corporations!! It was ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Though not as much as US and Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war...and please don't conveniently forget the technology we supplied to Saddam to make chemical weapons which he used both on Iran and the Kurds. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/1/05 9:41:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Conscience? LOL!! The French vote their wallet, just like all other nations do. The fact that the French wallet is often in competition with the American wallet leads to our conflicts, not any mystical French conscience. The French economy is very week and cheap oil has been instrumental it keeping it from going into recession. Chirac and Saddam Scratched each others backs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Though not as much as US and Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war...and please don't conveniently forget the technology we supplied to Saddam to make chemical weapons which he used both on Iran and the Kurds. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/1/05 9:41:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Conscience? LOL!! The French vote their wallet, just like all other nations do. The fact that the French wallet is often in competition with the American wallet leads to our conflicts, not any mystical French conscience. The French economy is very week and cheap oil has been instrumental it keeping it from going into recession. Chirac and Saddam Scratched each others backs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though it is not nuclear (and thank God for that) this middle east vs usa conflict right now is world war three, and Bush started it. I wonder what karma holds in store for him? Some Tibetan traditions speak of the long-term (physical, extending over many lifetimes, unfathomable) results of karma, and of the short-term (mental, having to do with the state of attention brought upon by one's actions, *immediate*, easily identifiable) results of karma. Reports of Bush in his daily life as president seem to indicate that he lives in a perpetual world of fear and paranoia. In South America recently, he refused to join a dinner of fellow leaders of Latin American countries because the hosting country wouldn't force them all to walk through a metal detector to enter the room. He's been known to hit the ground and lie there quivering at the sound of a car backfiring. One could suggest that the immediate, short-term effects of his karma that we see reflected in his everyday state of attention hint rather strongly at what's going to happen to him long-term. Looks pretty fathomable to me... Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Uncle: Looks pretty fathomable to me... Oh! My God - you mean someone might actually tell the United Nations that it needs to reform itself! Heaven forbid. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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not a bad idea if the one telling them is putting themselves up for the same review and subsequent introspection. The trouble with a guy like Bolton (and many in the current administration) is they see themselves as infallible. This has led to a rigidity of thinking which has caused a consequent rigidity in foreign policy, with disastrous results. So the usa may be 'right' but many now hate us, so where is the progress? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uncle: Looks pretty fathomable to me... Oh! My God - you mean someone might actually tell the United Nations that it needs to reform itself! Heaven forbid. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uncle: Looks pretty fathomable to me... Oh! My God - you mean someone might actually tell the United Nations that it needs to reform itself! Heaven forbid. ;-) All those suitcases full of cash (or oil vouchers) might stop flowing. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hi John, Notice how that story about oil vouchers has quieted down? The last I heard of it was that when an investigation of the oil vouchers began in earnest, it was found that the vast majority had gone to usa corporations!! ...shut the news feed down, place head back in sand, please... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uncle: Looks pretty fathomable to me... Oh! My God - you mean someone might actually tell the United Nations that it needs to reform itself! Heaven forbid. ;-) All those suitcases full of cash (or oil vouchers) might stop flowing. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, Notice how that story about oil vouchers has quieted down? The last I heard of it was that when an investigation of the oil vouchers began in earnest, it was found that the vast majority had gone to usa corporations!! ...shut the news feed down, place head back in sand, please... I haven't followed it in detail, but I was more interested in how the vouchers were used to influence the French vote in the UN. JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uncle: Looks pretty fathomable to me... Oh! My God - you mean someone might actually tell the United Nations that it needs to reform itself! Heaven forbid. ;-) All those suitcases full of cash (or oil vouchers) might stop flowing. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hi John, Notice how that story about oil vouchers has quieted down? The last I heard of it was that when an investigation of the oil vouchers began in earnest, it was found that the vast majority had gone to usa corporations!! ...shut the news feed down, place head back in sand, please... I haven't followed it in detail, but I was more interested in how the vouchers were used to influence the French vote in the UN. The problem with the French, from a Bushite point of view, is that they'll accept your bribes and then go ahead and vote their conscience anyway. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I don't know all of the details, but the stands for or against the war from all nations have been based on perceived economic benefit. I found it very curious how some countries like Italy for example have switched opinions back and forth like a metronome. I can almost see the bribes from the usa in transit as one country or another seeks to 'make up its mind' about a troop committment, joining the coalition of the willing (to be paid off...). Very 'old school', all of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, Notice how that story about oil vouchers has quieted down? The last I heard of it was that when an investigation of the oil vouchers began in earnest, it was found that the vast majority had gone to usa corporations!! ...shut the news feed down, place head back in sand, please... I haven't followed it in detail, but I was more interested in how the vouchers were used to influence the French vote in the UN. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uncle: Looks pretty fathomable to me... Oh! My God - you mean someone might actually tell the United Nations that it needs to reform itself! Heaven forbid. Don't worry Richard; The US economy will collapse and the only hope for the country will be The United Nations. Your worst paranoid nightmare will come true, and it will be a good thing for the americans :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, Notice how that story about oil vouchers has quieted down? The last I heard of it was that when an investigation of the oil vouchers began in earnest, it was found that the vast majority had gone to usa corporations!! ...shut the news feed down, place head back in sand, please... I haven't followed it in detail, but I was more interested in how the vouchers were used to influence the French vote in the UN. JohnY Proof of this? If saddam was spreading the vouchers around to everyone, how can you show that they were morepolitically effective in France? Maybe the French were just more prone to be anti-war... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Bolton's Nomination/Secret Downing St, Memos...'
I believe the French had a lot of ongoing contracts for construction and military stuff w/Saddam before the war broke out. I also think they are more anti-war as you said, the people and possibly members of the govt too. I googled looking for an update on this. All I can find is the number 2-3% of the vouchers went to Chevron, Exxon and some smaller cos. in Texas. But this was old news reported in 10/2004 before the last prez election. Then I heard on the tv news recently that 45% had gone to american corps. and after that the story hasn't surfaced again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, Notice how that story about oil vouchers has quieted down? The last I heard of it was that when an investigation of the oil vouchers began in earnest, it was found that the vast majority had gone to usa corporations!! ...shut the news feed down, place head back in sand, please... I haven't followed it in detail, but I was more interested in how the vouchers were used to influence the French vote in the UN. JohnY Proof of this? If saddam was spreading the vouchers around to everyone, how can you show that they were morepolitically effective in France? Maybe the French were just more prone to be anti-war... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Bolton's Nomination/Secret Downing St, Memos...'
Conscience? LOL!! The French vote their wallet, just like all other nations do. The fact that the French wallet is often in competition with the American wallet leads to our conflicts, not any mystical French conscience. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, Notice how that story about oil vouchers has quieted down? The last I heard of it was that when an investigation of the oil vouchers began in earnest, it was found that the vast majority had gone to usa corporations!! ...shut the news feed down, place head back in sand, please... I haven't followed it in detail, but I was more interested in how the vouchers were used to influence the French vote in the UN. The problem with the French, from a Bushite point of view, is that they'll accept your bribes and then go ahead and vote their conscience anyway. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Bolton's Nomination/Secret Downing St, Memos...'
the correct question is, Mr. President, what AREN'T you hiding?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. President: What are you hiding?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Bolton's Nomination/Secret Downing St, Memos...'
--Good one! - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the correct question is, Mr. President, what AREN'T you hiding?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. President: What are you hiding?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: John Bolton's Nomination/Secret Downing St, Memos...'
and the awful thing is this man Bush speaks the will of half the people. As Maharishi has said, such a leader acts out without knowing it the will of the people, so Bush is in fact a manifestation of those that elected him. Though it is not nuclear (and thank God for that) this middle east vs usa conflict right now is world war three, and Bush started it. I wonder what karma holds in store for him? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Good one! - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the correct question is, Mr. President, what AREN'T you hiding?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. President: What are you hiding?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
