[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/3/05 7:01:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Actually, David Vitter, Louisiana's freshman > senator, is a Republican. And he has been > exceedingly critical of Bush and the federal > response to the disaster. > > Breaux is no longer a sneator? http://vitter.senate.gov/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/3/05 7:01:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, David Vitter, Louisiana's freshmansenator, is a Republican. And he has beenexceedingly critical of Bush and the federalresponse to the disaster. Breaux is no longer a sneator? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/1/05 5:52:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Is the Governor of Louisiana Democrat of Republican? > > She is a democrat as are both senators and so is the mayor of New > Orleans. Actually, David Vitter, Louisiana's freshman senator, is a Republican. And he has been exceedingly critical of Bush and the federal response to the disaster. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/2/05 7:09:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Imagine the hue and cry there would be if the federal government > deemed themselves to be the definitive voice for evacuation plans > for a city or state. Can you imagine what cries of federal > infringement on sovereign state rights there would have been? > > > > > N Shemp, Liberals love federalism to death. They want to be taken care > of cradle to grave by the federal government not the state. But you would have > to fill out a form in triplicate to apply to evacuate the city. So its the liberals who have started the ball rolling with PATRIOT Act I and followups? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/2/05 8:48:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not just the National Guard, it's the FEMApeople and the military. Tuesday morning, to anyonepaying attention, it was obvious that *massive* aidwas going to be needed in a big hurry. All the FEMA people do is have you fill out forms and basically do paper work .It's the National Guard that comes in and restores order and brings immediate relief supplies like food and water and emergency shelter and rescue work. I don't doubt the National Guard was on stand by before the Hurricane ever hit but I'm pretty darn sure they had not been called up at that point. That is the responsibility of the Governor of the state to do that, if they think they are needed. Monday came and everybody breathed a sigh of relief. Chances are so did the National Guard. At that point all it looked like was some clean up and restoring electricity which would have been done by the private sector. I have no doubt the Governor called the Guard up as soon as she assessed the situation on Tuesday. Still we're talking a few days to organize, supply up and get to the city. As for the scum that was shooting and delaying rescue efforts, I said in an earlier post that one helicopter pilot tried to make a drop and was scared off when his chopper was rushed by a bunch of thugs with guns. I have no doubt this is why you couldn't get people, to fly in food and water to the dome, where a national Guardsman had been shot, until law and order were restored and that wasn't going to happen till National Guard MP's arrived. As for using the Military, I assume you mean regular army, I'm pretty sure that would be illegal. I'm pretty sure they can't be used for domestic situations. That is the purpose of the Guard. The emergency didn't happen until the flood sometime Tuesday and from then till Friday morning is not bad response time for Guard especially since the Guard doesn't live on basis but rather in their homes all over the state and need time to report for duty. I still think had the scum buckets not been shooting, things would have gone much smoother on Wednesday and Thursday and flying in food, water and medicine to the dome would have been a snap. Also buses could have started moving people from the dome as well on Wednesday. Bus drivers had refused to go near the dome when they heard about the shootings. That's why they have been stuck there and people in other location have been boarding buses and dispersing. I've even heard they have been leaving on trains as well. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/2/05 7:03:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > And he dropped the ball. > > Being president means you have to be ready to have > things thrown in your lap at the last minute. That's > one of the things we hire a president to do. > > See, nobody's blaming him for the apparently flawed > original evacuation efforts, but rather for being so > slow to pick up the slack when it became obvious what > was happening. > > He didn't get the ball till Wednesday. If you will recall, Monday > everybody thought NO had dodged the bullet and all they needed was > a couple of days to clean up and start restoring electricity. Then > on Tuesday the levee broke. The Mayor and Governor spent a day > assessing the situation and then called for help. National Guard > doesn't just appear, the governor of the state has to call it up > and it takes time for Guardsmen to report for duty. It's not just the National Guard, it's the FEMA people and the military. Tuesday morning, to anyone paying attention, it was obvious that *massive* aid was going to be needed in a big hurry. But Bush was waltzing around wishing John McCain a happy birthday, playing guitar, and delivering speeches comparing the Iraq war to World War II. And then he took another day of vacation before he actually got himself back to the White House. It's not just the libruls who are fuming about this, by the way. > Remember they were in their homes as well cut off from > communications and electricity like everybody else. I'd be willing to bet the National Guard in Louisiana were well aware they were going to be needed well before the hurricane even hit. > How they got organized and in there today looks like a minor > miracle to me. Had the idiots that decided to start taking shots > at rescue workers, police, doctors, bus drivers, helicopter > pilots. not done so, the rescue work on Wednesday would have been > more productive and possibly less agonizing for everybody else, > while the National Guard was organizing. Unquestionably, those people are the scum of the earth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/2/05 7:09:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Imagine the hue and cry there would be if the federal government deemed themselves to be the definitive voice for evacuation plans for a city or state. Can you imagine what cries of federal infringement on sovereign state rights there would have been? N Shemp, Liberals love federalism to death. They want to be taken care of cradle to grave by the federal government not the state. But you would have to fill out a form in triplicate to apply to evacuate the city. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/2/05 7:03:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And he dropped the ball.Being president means you have to be ready to havethings thrown in your lap at the last minute. That'sone of the things we hire a president to do.See, nobody's blaming him for the apparently flawedoriginal evacuation efforts, but rather for being soslow to pick up the slack when it became obvious whatwas happening. He didn't get the ball till Wednesday. If you will recall, Monday everybody thought NO had dodged the bullet and all they needed was a couple of days to clean up and start restoring electricity. Then on Tuesday the levee broke. The Mayor and Governor spent a day assessing the situation and then called for help. National Guard doesn't just appear, the governor of the state has to call it up and it takes time for Guardsmen to report for duty. Remember they were in their homes as well cut off from communications and electricity like everybody else. How they got organized and in there today looks like a minor miracle to me. Had the idiots that decided to start taking shots at rescue workers, police, doctors, bus drivers, helicopter pilots. not done so, the rescue work on Wednesday would have been more productive and possibly less agonizing for everybody else, while the National Guard was organizing. The Snipers probably slowed down rescue efforts at least a whole day if not more. I heard one report that a helicopter with supplies was getting ready to land when a bunch of thugs came out with guns and the pilot got scared and lifted of and left. That's probably why you didn't see choppers coming in and dropping off food and water. They weren't going to risk their lives until law and order was restored. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > > In fact, I believe that the Office of Homeland security is meant > to > > oversee such things, but I may be wrong. > > > > Regardless, the OHS department meant to replace FEMAisn't ready > > yetand FEMA is being phased out in favor of this still non- > existent > > department. > > I'd really like to know the answer to that: 100% federal > jurisdiction? 100% state and local? A 50/50 mix? Really not at all sure. The scary thought is that maybe no-oneis either.A lot of the 9/11 responses were purely political and implementation is quite possible left as an exercise for the next administration and congress. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 9/2/05 4:48:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > > Is the Governor of Louisiana Democrat of Republican? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She is a democrat as are both senators and so is the mayor > > of New > > > > Orleans. > > > > > > > > Gee...I wonder if this party affiliation plays any part in > what > > > > appears to me to be Judy's lack of criticism in this area... > > > > > > Would you still be defending Bush if they were all Republicans? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course! Unless they, the republican governor and mayor, could > > show me > > > they did everything they were supposed to do and that it was > Bush > > that dropped > > > the ball. What I see is a Governor and mayor that screwed up on > > having a plan > > > for evacuation of the city or at least well supplied relief > > stations for a > > > hundred thousand people for 3-5 days scattered throughout the > > city in case of > > > the city flooding. Rescuing a hundred thousand people was throw > > in Bush's lap > > > at the last minute. > > > > > > Imagine the hue and cry there would be if the federal government > > deemed themselves to be the definitive voice for evacuation plans > > for a city or state. Can you imagine what cries of federal > > infringement on sovereign state rights there would have been? > > In fact, I believe that the Office of Homeland security is meant to > oversee such things, but I may be wrong. > > Regardless, the OHS department meant to replace FEMAisn't ready > yetand FEMA is being phased out in favor of this still non- existent > department. I'd really like to know the answer to that: 100% federal jurisdiction? 100% state and local? A 50/50 mix? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/2/05 4:48:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > Is the Governor of Louisiana Democrat of Republican? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She is a democrat as are both senators and so is the mayor > of New > > > Orleans. > > > > > > Gee...I wonder if this party affiliation plays any part in what > > > appears to me to be Judy's lack of criticism in this area... > > > > Would you still be defending Bush if they were all Republicans? > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course! Unless they, the republican governor and mayor, could > show me > > they did everything they were supposed to do and that it was Bush > that dropped > > the ball. What I see is a Governor and mayor that screwed up on > having a plan > > for evacuation of the city or at least well supplied relief > stations for a > > hundred thousand people for 3-5 days scattered throughout the > city in case of > > the city flooding. Rescuing a hundred thousand people was throw > in Bush's lap > > at the last minute. > > > Imagine the hue and cry there would be if the federal government > deemed themselves to be the definitive voice for evacuation plans > for a city or state. Can you imagine what cries of federal > infringement on sovereign state rights there would have been? In fact, I believe that the Office of Homeland security is meant to oversee such things, but I may be wrong. Regardless, the OHS department meant to replace FEMAisn't ready yetand FEMA is being phased out in favor of this still non-existent department. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/2/05 4:48:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Is the Governor of Louisiana Democrat of Republican? > > > > > > > > > > > > She is a democrat as are both senators and so is the mayor of New > > Orleans. > > > > Gee...I wonder if this party affiliation plays any part in what > > appears to me to be Judy's lack of criticism in this area... > > Would you still be defending Bush if they were all Republicans? > > > > > > Of course! Unless they, the republican governor and mayor, could show me > they did everything they were supposed to do and that it was Bush that dropped > the ball. What I see is a Governor and mayor that screwed up on having a plan > for evacuation of the city or at least well supplied relief stations for a > hundred thousand people for 3-5 days scattered throughout the city in case of > the city flooding. Rescuing a hundred thousand people was throw in Bush's lap > at the last minute. Imagine the hue and cry there would be if the federal government deemed themselves to be the definitive voice for evacuation plans for a city or state. Can you imagine what cries of federal infringement on sovereign state rights there would have been? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/2/05 4:48:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Is the Governor of Louisiana Democrat of Republican? > > > > > > She is a democrat as are both senators and so is the mayor of > > > New Orleans. > > > > Gee...I wonder if this party affiliation plays any part in what > > appears to me to be Judy's lack of criticism in this area... > > Would you still be defending Bush if they were all Republicans? > > Of course! Unless they, the republican governor and mayor, could > show me they did everything they were supposed to do and that it > was Bush that dropped the ball. What I see is a Governor and mayor > that screwed up on having a plan for evacuation of the city or at > least well supplied relief stations for a hundred thousand people > for 3-5 days scattered throughout the city in case of the city > flooding. Rescuing a hundred thousand people was throw in Bush's > lap at the last minute. And he dropped the ball. Being president means you have to be ready to have things thrown in your lap at the last minute. That's one of the things we hire a president to do. See, nobody's blaming him for the apparently flawed original evacuation efforts, but rather for being so slow to pick up the slack when it became obvious what was happening. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/2/05 4:48:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Is the Governor of Louisiana Democrat of Republican?> > > > > > > > She is a democrat as are both senators and so is the mayor of New > Orleans.> > Gee...I wonder if this party affiliation plays any part in what > appears to me to be Judy's lack of criticism in this area...Would you still be defending Bush if they were all Republicans? Of course! Unless they, the republican governor and mayor, could show me they did everything they were supposed to do and that it was Bush that dropped the ball. What I see is a Governor and mayor that screwed up on having a plan for evacuation of the city or at least well supplied relief stations for a hundred thousand people for 3-5 days scattered throughout the city in case of the city flooding. Rescuing a hundred thousand people was throw in Bush's lap at the last minute. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/1/05 5:52:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Is the Governor of Louisiana Democrat of Republican? > > > > > > > > She is a democrat as are both senators and so is the mayor of New > Orleans. > > Gee...I wonder if this party affiliation plays any part in what > appears to me to be Judy's lack of criticism in this area... Would you still be defending Bush if they were all Republicans? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/2/05 11:42:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > She is a democrat as are both senators and so is the mayor of > > New Orleans. > > Gee...I wonder if this party affiliation plays any part in what > appears to me to be Judy's lack of criticism in this area... > > why attack them when you can blame it on Bush? There will be plenty of time to assign responsibility, and more facts to do it with, after the immediate emergency is past. At *this* point, the relief effort is on the feds' shoulders, and they've been very tardy in getting it going. It wouldn't make any *sense* to blame the governor or the mayor or the senators for the feds' inability to deal with the most immediate problems in a timely manner. The responsibility in this case couldn't be clearer. The rest of it is still murky and will take a lot of sorting out. I'm still not hearing anything on the tube about the folks at the Convention Center getting food and water, much less being evacuated, by the way. But everyone now appears to be out of the Super Dome, thank God. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/2/05 11:42:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > She is a democrat as are both senators and so is the mayor of New Orleans.Gee...I wonder if this party affiliation plays any part in what appears to me to be Judy's lack of criticism in this area... why attack them when you can blame it on Bush? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/1/05 5:52:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Is the Governor of Louisiana Democrat of Republican? > > > > She is a democrat as are both senators and so is the mayor of New Orleans. Gee...I wonder if this party affiliation plays any part in what appears to me to be Judy's lack of criticism in this area... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/1/05 5:52:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is the Governor of Louisiana Democrat of Republican? She is a democrat as are both senators and so is the mayor of New Orleans. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > But a large proportion of the population of New > > > > Orleans is *grindingly* poor. > > > > > > "Large proportion": > > > > 21 percent of households under $10,000/year > > 39 percent of households under $20,000/year > > > > Forty percent of the children in New Orleans > > live in poverty. > > > > The federal poverty level is $14,629 a year > > for a family of three. Folks, the arrogant and heartless way Shemp thinks--exemplified in his rant below--is representative of the thinking of the people who are running the United States. They have to be REMOVED FROM POWER and NEVER ALLOWED TO HOLD POWER AGAIN. > ...and how is that "grindingly poor"? > > "Grindingly poor" are the people in the third world who don't know > where their next meal is going to come from, Judy. > > The "Grindingly poor" of the world and the just-a-little-poor of the > world consider the 21% and 39% demographic groups you cite above as > living like kings whose places they would take in exchange for both > their first and second born. > > Neither "grindingly" nor "poor" is justified by your statistics or > your observations, the allegedly "painfully skinny" children you > claim to have seen in the comfort of your New Jersey living room > notwithstanding. > > We have virtually eliminated poverty in the United States. > Economically, it is a great system that has eliminated this poverty. > For people like you who insist that we still have poverty in the > United States does incredible damage to the REAL poor of the world, > the REAL grindingly poor and the REAL painfully skinny children of > the world when you give that message to them that the most > successful avenue available to GET OUT of poverty and to ELIMINATE > it from their own countries doesn't really work because, after all, > in places like New Orleans, such a high percentage of poor exist. > > You and your ilk do an incredibly great insult and disservice to the > world's poor. > > > > > > > > > The national average of people living below > > the poverty level is 13.7 percent; New Orleans > > has the third-highest percentage of people > > living in poverty in the United States. > > ...then why all the fat and obese people? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > But a large proportion of the population of New > > > Orleans is *grindingly* poor. > > > > "Large proportion": > > 21 percent of households under $10,000/year > 39 percent of households under $20,000/year > > Forty percent of the children in New Orleans > live in poverty. > > The federal poverty level is $14,629 a year > for a family of three. ...and how is that "grindingly poor"? "Grindingly poor" are the people in the third world who don't know where their next meal is going to come from, Judy. The "Grindingly poor" of the world and the just-a-little-poor of the world consider the 21% and 39% demographic groups you cite above as living like kings whose places they would take in exchange for both their first and second born. Neither "grindingly" nor "poor" is justified by your statistics or your observations, the allegedly "painfully skinny" children you claim to have seen in the comfort of your New Jersey living room notwithstanding. We have virtually eliminated poverty in the United States. Economically, it is a great system that has eliminated this poverty. For people like you who insist that we still have poverty in the United States does incredible damage to the REAL poor of the world, the REAL grindingly poor and the REAL painfully skinny children of the world when you give that message to them that the most successful avenue available to GET OUT of poverty and to ELIMINATE it from their own countries doesn't really work because, after all, in places like New Orleans, such a high percentage of poor exist. You and your ilk do an incredibly great insult and disservice to the world's poor. > > The national average of people living below > the poverty level is 13.7 percent; New Orleans > has the third-highest percentage of people > living in poverty in the United States. ...then why all the fat and obese people? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But a large proportion of the population of New > > Orleans is *grindingly* poor. > > "Large proportion": 21 percent of households under $10,000/year 39 percent of households under $20,000/year Forty percent of the children in New Orleans live in poverty. The federal poverty level is $14,629 a year for a family of three. The national average of people living below the poverty level is 13.7 percent; New Orleans has the third-highest percentage of people living in poverty in the United States. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/1/05 1:11:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > The time to organize a total evacuation is > > *before it's needed*. No plans were made to > > evacuate those who couldn't get out on their > > own. > > > > > The majority of the people there now are people that chose > > > to "ride out" the hurricane for whatever reason they had. > > > > Not true. Most of them were too poor to get out. > > No car, no money to hire one, no place to go, no > > money for a hotel if they could get out. The bus > > station shut down Saturday night. Some of them > > were sick or elderly. > > > > I sure can agree with you on the fact that the time to organize > > for evacuation is before! All states are supposed to have > > evacuation plans and if they don't, they , the state elected > > officials, need to be held accountable. I'll disagree with you on > > those not getting out not being able to. I'll agree there > > would have to be a certain percentage who absolutely had no way > > out. But Judy, I don't know if you have ever lived in a hurricane > > prone region. It is very common for people to reject all warnings > > to leave and ride out the storm thinking they will be safe. > > Good lord. I'm well aware of that, because such > people are interviewed on the news after every > hurricane. And of course there were some like > that in New Orleans. > > But a large proportion of the population of New > Orleans is *grindingly* poor. "Large proportion": 30%? 50%? 75%? And "grindingly", that must mean that they are near starving, are mal-nourished and can barely think straight for all the absense of the basic necessities of life, no? Is that what you'll have us believe about people on the lower-end of the socio-economic spectrum in this, the richest country in the world? > All the people > who went to the Super Dome and other local > shelters, obviously, were unable to leave. > Nobody would willingly stay in a shelter if they > could get out. > > > > Then you have to ask yourself if there are thousands that have no > > transportation to get out, how on earth do you have a plan ready > > to be able to pick everyone of them up over a large city within a > > few hours to get them to safety? > > They had 36 hours' warning. If they had had a big bus > convoy ready to go, and a set of sturdy shelters just > outside the city that were at least on higher ground, > if not out of the hurricane's path, they could have > gotten most of them who wanted to leave out. > > An important component of this, of course, would be > a system to get the information out about where to > get the buses. A lot of people apparently didn't > get the word even where to get buses to take them > to the Super Dome and the other local shelters. > > It's certainly a tall order, but *not* doing it, > clearly, has resulted in a far taller one. > > Oh, yeah, and considering how totally incompetent > FEMA has been at evacuating folks after the fact, > doesn't it make you feel real comfortable about > what would happen if terrorists set off a dirty > bomb or a chemical attack in some other big city? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/1/05 1:11:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > The time to organize a total evacuation is > > *before it's needed*. No plans were made to > > evacuate those who couldn't get out on their > > own. > > > > > The majority of the people there now are people that chose > > > to "ride out" the hurricane for whatever reason they had. > > > > Not true. Most of them were too poor to get out. > > No car, no money to hire one, no place to go, no > > money for a hotel if they could get out. The bus > > station shut down Saturday night. Some of them > > were sick or elderly. > > > > I sure can agree with you on the fact that the time to organize > > for evacuation is before! All states are supposed to have > > evacuation plans and if they don't, they , the state elected > > officials, need to be held accountable. I'll disagree with you on > > those not getting out not being able to. I'll agree there > > would have to be a certain percentage who absolutely had no way > > out. But Judy, I don't know if you have ever lived in a hurricane > > prone region. It is very common for people to reject all warnings > > to leave and ride out the storm thinking they will be safe. > > Good lord. I'm well aware of that, because such > people are interviewed on the news after every > hurricane. And of course there were some like > that in New Orleans. > > But a large proportion of the population of New > Orleans is *grindingly* poor. "Grindingly poor". Is it the grindingly poor that have painfully skinny children? > All the people > who went to the Super Dome and other local > shelters, obviously, were unable to leave. > Nobody would willingly stay in a shelter if they > could get out. > > > > Then you have to ask yourself if there are thousands that have no > > transportation to get out, how on earth do you have a plan ready > > to be able to pick everyone of them up over a large city within a > > few hours to get them to safety? > > They had 36 hours' warning. If they had had a big bus > convoy ready to go, and a set of sturdy shelters just > outside the city that were at least on higher ground, > if not out of the hurricane's path, they could have > gotten most of them who wanted to leave out. > > An important component of this, of course, would be > a system to get the information out about where to > get the buses. A lot of people apparently didn't > get the word even where to get buses to take them > to the Super Dome and the other local shelters. > > It's certainly a tall order, but *not* doing it, > clearly, has resulted in a far taller one. > > Oh, yeah, and considering how totally incompetent > FEMA has been at evacuating folks after the fact, > doesn't it make you feel real comfortable about > what would happen if terrorists set off a dirty > bomb or a chemical attack in some other big city? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/1/05 1:11:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > The time to organize a total evacuation is > *before it's needed*. No plans were made to > evacuate those who couldn't get out on their > own. > > > The majority of the people there now are people that chose > > to "ride out" the hurricane for whatever reason they had. > > Not true. Most of them were too poor to get out. > No car, no money to hire one, no place to go, no > money for a hotel if they could get out. The bus > station shut down Saturday night. Some of them > were sick or elderly. > > > > > I sure can agree with you on the fact that the time to organize for > evacuation is before! All states are supposed to have evacuation plans and if they > don't, they , the state elected officials, need to be held accountable. I'll > disagree with you on those not getting out not being able to. I'll agree there > would have to be a certain percentage who absolutely had no way out. But > Judy, I don't know if you have ever lived in a hurricane prone region. It is > very common for people to reject all warnings to leave and ride out the storm > thinking they will be safe. As a matter of fact people get together and have > hurricane parties. There have been numerous interviews so far in which people > regretted not getting out when they had the chance and people here in Houston > saying that their husband stayed behind to watch out for the business or the > house. A friend of mine in Houma La..would not leave because his mother > refused to leave her house so he stayed with her and brought his aunts to the > same house so they would be together. I haven't been able to get in touch with > him to find out if he and his mom and aunts are ok. The only excuse for not > leaving was if you absolutely had no transportation out. Refugee centers were > being set up all over and they don't cost a penny to stay in. Then you have > to ask yourself if there are thousands that have no transportation to get out, > how on earth do you have a plan ready to be able to pick everyone of them up > over a large city within a few hours to get them to safety? Katrina chose > her target and struck too fast to prevent a major catastrophy. Is the Governor of Louisiana Democrat of Republican? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/1/05 1:11:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > The time to organize a total evacuation is > *before it's needed*. No plans were made to > evacuate those who couldn't get out on their > own. > > > The majority of the people there now are people that chose > > to "ride out" the hurricane for whatever reason they had. > > Not true. Most of them were too poor to get out. > No car, no money to hire one, no place to go, no > money for a hotel if they could get out. The bus > station shut down Saturday night. Some of them > were sick or elderly. > > I sure can agree with you on the fact that the time to organize > for evacuation is before! All states are supposed to have > evacuation plans and if they don't, they , the state elected > officials, need to be held accountable. I'll disagree with you on > those not getting out not being able to. I'll agree there > would have to be a certain percentage who absolutely had no way > out. But Judy, I don't know if you have ever lived in a hurricane > prone region. It is very common for people to reject all warnings > to leave and ride out the storm thinking they will be safe. Good lord. I'm well aware of that, because such people are interviewed on the news after every hurricane. And of course there were some like that in New Orleans. But a large proportion of the population of New Orleans is *grindingly* poor. All the people who went to the Super Dome and other local shelters, obviously, were unable to leave. Nobody would willingly stay in a shelter if they could get out. > Then you have to ask yourself if there are thousands that have no > transportation to get out, how on earth do you have a plan ready > to be able to pick everyone of them up over a large city within a > few hours to get them to safety? They had 36 hours' warning. If they had had a big bus convoy ready to go, and a set of sturdy shelters just outside the city that were at least on higher ground, if not out of the hurricane's path, they could have gotten most of them who wanted to leave out. An important component of this, of course, would be a system to get the information out about where to get the buses. A lot of people apparently didn't get the word even where to get buses to take them to the Super Dome and the other local shelters. It's certainly a tall order, but *not* doing it, clearly, has resulted in a far taller one. Oh, yeah, and considering how totally incompetent FEMA has been at evacuating folks after the fact, doesn't it make you feel real comfortable about what would happen if terrorists set off a dirty bomb or a chemical attack in some other big city? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/1/05 1:11:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The time to organize a total evacuation is*before it's needed*. No plans were made toevacuate those who couldn't get out on theirown.> The majority of the people there now are people that chose > to "ride out" the hurricane for whatever reason they had.Not true. Most of them were too poor to get out.No car, no money to hire one, no place to go, nomoney for a hotel if they could get out. The busstation shut down Saturday night. Some of themwere sick or elderly. I sure can agree with you on the fact that the time to organize for evacuation is before! All states are supposed to have evacuation plans and if they don't, they , the state elected officials, need to be held accountable. I'll disagree with you on those not getting out not being able to. I'll agree there would have to be a certain percentage who absolutely had no way out. But Judy, I don't know if you have ever lived in a hurricane prone region. It is very common for people to reject all warnings to leave and ride out the storm thinking they will be safe. As a matter of fact people get together and have hurricane parties. There have been numerous interviews so far in which people regretted not getting out when they had the chance and people here in Houston saying that their husband stayed behind to watch out for the business or the house. A friend of mine in Houma La..would not leave because his mother refused to leave her house so he stayed with her and brought his aunts to the same house so they would be together. I haven't been able to get in touch with him to find out if he and his mom and aunts are ok. The only excuse for not leaving was if you absolutely had no transportation out. Refugee centers were being set up all over and they don't cost a penny to stay in. Then you have to ask yourself if there are thousands that have no transportation to get out, how on earth do you have a plan ready to be able to pick everyone of them up over a large city within a few hours to get them to safety? Katrina chose her target and struck too fast to prevent a major catastrophy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.j sp?vnu_content_id=1001051313 > > Well, if FEMA was the first to anticipate it, why did it take them 80 > years to figure it out (or however long they've been in existence)? > > The obvious fact is that the breach was obviously a possibility but > Bush, Clinton, and everyone and anyone else in positions of > responsibility out there for the past 100 or so years that this > problem has existed in New Orleans paid it as much attention as the > people in Thailand and Sri Lanka gave to the possibility of the > Tsunami...and, yes, there were the same "dire" warnings from > professionals that a Tsunami would cause the devastation that it did. > > > > > > > And it was neither Clinton's nor Bush's or any other president's > responsibility or even of the federal government's responsibility to upgrade the levee > system in New Orleans or any other place. That is the responsibility of the > state and local governments who can request assistance from the federal > government and which was given. Louisiana government neglect of the levees and then > saying,(Which they aren't) that they couldn't do it because the feds needed > to do it is totally irresponsible and passing the buck. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/1/05 12:13:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, if FEMA was the first to anticipate it, why did it take them 80 years to figure it out (or however long they've been in existence)?The obvious fact is that the breach was obviously a possibility but Bush, Clinton, and everyone and anyone else in positions of responsibility out there for the past 100 or so years that this problem has existed in New Orleans paid it as much attention as the people in Thailand and Sri Lanka gave to the possibility of the Tsunami...and, yes, there were the same "dire" warnings from professionals that a Tsunami would cause the devastation that it did. And it was neither Clinton's nor Bush's or any other president's responsibility or even of the federal government's responsibility to upgrade the levee system in New Orleans or any other place. That is the responsibility of the state and local governments who can request assistance from the federal government and which was given. Louisiana government neglect of the levees and then saying,(Which they aren't) that they couldn't do it because the feds needed to do it is totally irresponsible and passing the buck. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > And do you think there would have been enough time to organize a > total evacuation of an entire region or even a major city from the > time the path became evident? The time to organize a total evacuation is *before it's needed*. No plans were made to evacuate those who couldn't get out on their own. > The majority of the people there now are people that chose > to "ride out" the hurricane for whatever reason they had. Not true. Most of them were too poor to get out. No car, no money to hire one, no place to go, no money for a hotel if they could get out. The bus station shut down Saturday night. Some of them were sick or elderly. > I think the poor of New Orleans that had no > transportation need to look at their local leaders and ask them why > there were no plans to get them out. They're doing that already. In Mississippi, too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/1/05 11:28:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > "The present levees are designed to withstand a > Category 3 hurricane; Hurricane Katrina was > Category 4, one short of the highest category." > > It was projected at Category 5 going in. The media > were reporting that the levees would not hold well > before the storm hit. Too bad the people who relay > the news to the president didn't pick that up. > > And I believe we've already discussed where the money > went that was supposed to raise the levees' strength. > > > > And do you think there would have been enough time to organize a total > evacuation of an entire region or even a major city from the time the path became > evident? Remember the mayor of New Orleans pleaded with the people to get > out and all highways were bumper to bumper from Friday evening till just > before the storm hit. The majority of the people there now are people that chose > to "ride out" the hurricane for whatever reason they had. Far too many people > don't take hurricane evacuations seriously. States have their own evacuation > plans for such scenarios. I think the poor of New Orleans that had no > transportation need to look at their local leaders and ask them why there were no > plans to get them out. And then I think there was a criminal element that chose > to stay and loot What has that to do with levee maintainance issues? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/1/05 11:28:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "The present levees are designed to withstand a Category 3 hurricane; Hurricane Katrina was Category 4, one short of the highest category."It was projected at Category 5 going in. The media were reporting that the levees would not hold well before the storm hit. Too bad the people who relay the news to the president didn't pick that up.And I believe we've already discussed where the money went that was supposed to raise the levees' strength. And do you think there would have been enough time to organize a total evacuation of an entire region or even a major city from the time the path became evident? Remember the mayor of New Orleans pleaded with the people to get out and all highways were bumper to bumper from Friday evening till just before the storm hit. The majority of the people there now are people that chose to "ride out" the hurricane for whatever reason they had. Far too many people don't take hurricane evacuations seriously. States have their own evacuation plans for such scenarios. I think the poor of New Orleans that had no transportation need to look at their local leaders and ask them why there were no plans to get them out. And then I think there was a criminal element that chose to stay and loot To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > -- On ABC this morning, President Bush said, "Nobody > > > could have anticipated that the levees [in New > > > Orleans] would be breached." > > > > Correction: His exact words were, "I don't think anyone > > anticipated the breach of the levees." > > > > Unbelievable. > > > > Just as a reminder, the breach of the levees > > and subsequent flooding in New Orleans was one > > of the top three "likeliest, most catastrophic > > disasters facing this country," according to > > FEMA. > > Well, if FEMA was the first to anticipate it, why did it take them > 80 years to figure it out (or however long they've been in > existence)? Everybody's known about it for a very long time, actually. What on earth makes you think FEMA just figured it out? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -- On ABC this morning, President Bush said, "Nobody > > could have anticipated that the levees [in New > > Orleans] would be breached." > > Correction: His exact words were, "I don't think anyone > anticipated the breach of the levees." > > Unbelievable. > > Just as a reminder, the breach of the levees > and subsequent flooding in New Orleans was one > of the top three "likeliest, most catastrophic > disasters facing this country," according to > FEMA. Condaleeza Rice strikes again... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -- On ABC this morning, President Bush said, "Nobody > > could have anticipated that the levees [in New > > Orleans] would be breached." > > Correction: His exact words were, "I don't think anyone > anticipated the breach of the levees." > > Unbelievable. > > Just as a reminder, the breach of the levees > and subsequent flooding in New Orleans was one > of the top three "likeliest, most catastrophic > disasters facing this country," according to > FEMA. Well, if FEMA was the first to anticipate it, why did it take them 80 years to figure it out (or however long they've been in existence)? The obvious fact is that the breach was obviously a possibility but Bush, Clinton, and everyone and anyone else in positions of responsibility out there for the past 100 or so years that this problem has existed in New Orleans paid it as much attention as the people in Thailand and Sri Lanka gave to the possibility of the Tsunami...and, yes, there were the same "dire" warnings from professionals that a Tsunami would cause the devastation that it did. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Correction: His exact words were, "I don't think anyone > anticipated the breach of the levees." > > Unbelievable. > > Just as a reminder, the breach of the levees > and subsequent flooding in New Orleans was one > of the top three "likeliest, most catastrophic > disasters facing this country," according to > FEMA. Reminds me of Condoleezza Rice saying nobody expected terrorists to fly planes into buildings, despite intelligence projecting just that possibility. Contrast that FEMA evaluation with this, from today's New York Times: "The present levees are designed to withstand a Category 3 hurricane; Hurricane Katrina was Category 4, one short of the highest category." It was projected at Category 5 going in. The media were reporting that the levees would not hold well before the storm hit. Too bad the people who relay the news to the president didn't pick that up. And I believe we've already discussed where the money went that was supposed to raise the levees' strength. Also in the Times today, columnist David L. Brooks recounts the political blowback from past floods, going back to the Johnstown flood. You can be the recriminations will fly this time, too. www.nytimes.com - Patrick Gillam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- On ABC this morning, President Bush said, "Nobody > could have anticipated that the levees [in New > Orleans] would be breached." Correction: His exact words were, "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees." Unbelievable. Just as a reminder, the breach of the levees and subsequent flooding in New Orleans was one of the top three "likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this country," according to FEMA. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
