[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
Just for fun, given Judy's claim of being offended by anything less than total historical accuracy... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: And with regard to the Mad Scene woman emptybill was talking about, she murders her bridegroom because she's been forced by her brother to marry him rather than the man she loves, and she has gone insane with grief. Real tricky on the woman's part, huh? There's more: Her brother has arranged the marriage for political reasons, to secure his own power; and the two thwarted lovers have been led to believe each has betrayed the other. When the woman's lover learns that she has died, he kills himself. The opera is based on real events that took place in 17th century Scotland. First, this is inaccurate. The opera is based on Sir Walter Scott's novel The Bride of Lammermoor. Scott at one point *claimed* that it was based on historical fact, but that seems not to have been true. From Wikipedia: The next five years of Stair's [Sir James Dalrymple's] life were comparatively uneventful, but in 1669 a family calamity, the exact facts of which will probably never be ascertained, overtook him. His daughter Janet, who had been betrothed to Lord Rutherfurd, was married to Dunbar of Baldoon, and some tragic incident occurred on the wedding night, from the effects of which she never recovered. As the traditions vary on the central fact, whether it was the bride who stabbed her husband, or the husband who stabbed the bride, no credence can be given to the mass of superstitions and spiteful slander http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander which surrounded it, principally leveled at Lady Stair. Sir Walter Scott http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Walter_Scott took the plot of his Bride of Lammermoor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_of_Lammermoor from this incident, but he disclaimed any intention of making Lord Stair the basis for Sir William Ashton. Second, now that Judy's description of the opera as being based on real events has been shown to be... uh...less than factual, can we expect her anytime soon to rag on it? That's what she did for the movie she never bothered to see when she found out that it was less than 100% historically accurate, after all. :-) Will she post a nasty putdown of the opera, claiming that either Sir Walter Scott or Gaetano Donizetti were Christian bigots trying to misrepresent true history? Only time will tell... :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
Barry is being compelled by some strange self- destructive impulse to behave like a brainless buffoon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Just for fun, given Judy's claim of being offended by anything less than total historical accuracy... :-) I never made any such claim. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And with regard to the Mad Scene woman emptybill was talking about, she murders her bridegroom because she's been forced by her brother to marry him rather than the man she loves, and she has gone insane with grief. Real tricky on the woman's part, huh? There's more: Her brother has arranged the marriage for political reasons, to secure his own power; and the two thwarted lovers have been led to believe each has betrayed the other. When the woman's lover learns that she has died, he kills himself. The opera is based on real events that took place in 17th century Scotland. First, this is inaccurate. The opera is based on Sir Walter Scott's novel The Bride of Lammermoor. Scott at one point *claimed* that it was based on historical fact, but that seems not to have been true. From Wikipedia: Actually, if you check out Wikipedia on The Bride of Lammermoor, you'll find that the novel, albeit fictional, is closely modeled on the historical events. The only area of real uncertainty historically is exactly what happened in the bridal chamber on the couple's wedding night: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bride_of_Lammermoor Barry didn't give a link for what he quoted. That's because he had to go rather far afield to find anything on Wikipedia that called in question any of the historical basis for the opera: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscount_Stair snip Second, now that Judy's description of the opera as being based on real events has been shown to be... uh...less than factual, The opera Lucia di Lammermoor certainly takes some liberties with the plot of the novel, but given that the novel is fairly accurate historically, it's entirely reasonable to say the opera is based on real events. (Based on does not imply 100 percent historical accuracy, but Barry knew that.) The point in context, of course, is the subjugation and oppression of women, specifically here with regard to arranged marriages. can we expect her anytime soon to rag on it? That's what she did for the movie she never bothered to see when she found out that it was less than 100% historically accurate, after all. :-) Will she post a nasty putdown of the opera, claiming that either Sir Walter Scott or Gaetano Donizetti were Christian bigots trying to misrepresent true history? Christianity came into this where, exactly? (Anybody who doesn't understand why Barry's contorted effort here is laughable--even if he were correct about the historical issues, which he isn't--let me know, and I'll be happy to explain.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Barry is being compelled by some strange self- destructive impulse to behave like a brainless buffoon. Barry is compelled by his frustration with you, your mind, the very person you are Judy. You drive him crazy. He just can't help himself. He HAS to read your posts, he HAS to stand ready to jump in when he feels there is an opening to undermine, call you out, find the achilles heel where there may or may not be one. He seems, frankly, obsessed with you but there is even more than that. He seems to relish the prospect of cutting the legs out from under those who are smarter, have a bigger vision or are just plain nicer than he is. In some strange way you are his muse, or at least his motivation to get out of bed in the morning. He has a lot to thank you for. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Just for fun, given Judy's claim of being offended by anything less than total historical accuracy... :-) I never made any such claim. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And with regard to the Mad Scene woman emptybill was talking about, she murders her bridegroom because she's been forced by her brother to marry him rather than the man she loves, and she has gone insane with grief. Real tricky on the woman's part, huh? There's more: Her brother has arranged the marriage for political reasons, to secure his own power; and the two thwarted lovers have been led to believe each has betrayed the other. When the woman's lover learns that she has died, he kills himself. The opera is based on real events that took place in 17th century Scotland. First, this is inaccurate. The opera is based on Sir Walter Scott's novel The Bride of Lammermoor. Scott at one point *claimed* that it was based on historical fact, but that seems not to have been true. From Wikipedia: Actually, if you check out Wikipedia on The Bride of Lammermoor, you'll find that the novel, albeit fictional, is closely modeled on the historical events. The only area of real uncertainty historically is exactly what happened in the bridal chamber on the couple's wedding night: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bride_of_Lammermoor Barry didn't give a link for what he quoted. That's because he had to go rather far afield to find anything on Wikipedia that called in question any of the historical basis for the opera: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscount_Stair snip Second, now that Judy's description of the opera as being based on real events has been shown to be... uh...less than factual, The opera Lucia di Lammermoor certainly takes some liberties with the plot of the novel, but given that the novel is fairly accurate historically, it's entirely reasonable to say the opera is based on real events. (Based on does not imply 100 percent historical accuracy, but Barry knew that.) The point in context, of course, is the subjugation and oppression of women, specifically here with regard to arranged marriages. can we expect her anytime soon to rag on it? That's what she did for the movie she never bothered to see when she found out that it was less than 100% historically accurate, after all. :-) Will she post a nasty putdown of the opera, claiming that either Sir Walter Scott or Gaetano Donizetti were Christian bigots trying to misrepresent true history? Christianity came into this where, exactly? (Anybody who doesn't understand why Barry's contorted effort here is laughable--even if he were correct about the historical issues, which he isn't--let me know, and I'll be happy to explain.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination. If only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-: From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional production, but the staging of this scene is excellent, and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long scene, over 10 minutes.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hah! Yeah … she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Oh yeah? Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ... it also is so hot. No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female opera singer’s repertoire, don’t you think? In this regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip, especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction, which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good too.) My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I It’s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. It’s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. It’s Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though. Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di Tito at the weekend. She is so hot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko, sing the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song. No wonder men are so easily spellbound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw Also,
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
Right. In this case, though, since the woman in question goes insane, murders the man she has just married, and then dies herself, not only are there no young to be protected, there never *will* be any young to be protected by her dirty fighting. It's always a good idea to view a video before one comments on it, lest one make a complete fool of oneself. (Although the words mad scene should perhaps have been a clue...) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination. If only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:  From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional production, but the staging of this scene is excellent, and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long scene, over 10 minutes.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hah! Yeah ⦠she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Oh yeah? Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ... it also is so hot. No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female opera singerââ¬â¢s repertoire, donââ¬â¢t you think? In this regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip, especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction, which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good too.) My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I Itââ¬â¢s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. Itââ¬â¢s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. Itââ¬â¢s Baroque rock. And just look at her face when she is finished. Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics into one descriptive word like dirty is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex.  We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring. We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been present. Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination. If only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:  Yessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day. Can you imagine if he was our first line of defense against some marauder? Now ladies, relax, just close your eyes for 20 minutes and all will be fine. If you find yourself dead in the next 20 seconds it's because there just weren't enough of us meditating right now. Now shoo, you nasty cougar. From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Wonderful performances. That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men thinking these divas would be simple to deal with by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse that is. Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your heart out but also put a grenade under your body to greet anyone rolling you over. I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Three Netrebko videos... Quando m'en vo (Musetta's Waltz) from Puccini's La Boheme (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it nicely.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE Sempre libera from Verdi's Traviata (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting ability.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgYfeature=endscreenNR=1 Mad Scene from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional production, but the staging of this scene is excellent, and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long scene, over 10 minutes.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Hah! Yeah ⦠she's like napalm. But image living with someone with such talent and charisma. Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in post #328213. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Oh yeah? Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ... it also is so hot. No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=UgpVoMPGbUA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Nice, but not enough cleavage,
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder. In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave days, women fight dirty. And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (in this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. snip Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex. That's OK, he's an expert and a wise other. And with regard to the Mad Scene woman emptybill was talking about, she murders her bridegroom because she's been forced by her brother to marry him rather than the man she loves, and she has gone insane with grief. Real tricky on the woman's part, huh? There's more: Her brother has arranged the marriage for political reasons, to secure his own power; and the two thwarted lovers have been led to believe each has betrayed the other. When the woman's lover learns that she has died, he kills himself. The opera is based on real events that took place in 17th century Scotland.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
And with regard to the Mad Scene woman emptybill was talking about, she murders her bridegroom because she's been forced by her brother to marry him rather than the man she loves, and she has gone insane with grief. Real tricky on the woman's part, huh? There's more: Her brother has arranged the marriage for political reasons, to secure his own power; and the two thwarted lovers have been led to believe each has betrayed the other. When the woman's lover learns that she has died, he kills himself. The opera is based on real events that took place in 17th century Scotland. And people wonder why I prefer the relatively upbeat, comparatively happy themes of country music to opera. :-)
