[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do you know which albums have the most Delta style slide? > I have not listened to enough of him and would like to. I'm sorry, I don't. I have only a few of his albums, and most of them soundtracks. He does marvelous soundtracks. He's an interesting guitarist, one of a handful whose 'touch' is so recognizable that I can hear the first ten notes of a song I've never heard before and tell you who is playing. Others include Jimi Hendrix (of course), Jerry Garcia, Ry, Mark Knopfler, Bruce Cockburn, Carlos Vamos, Clapton, Zappa, B.B. King, and Bo Diddley. I personally like Ry's distinctive sound, but not everyone does. Some say he just rips off traditional styles but I don't agree with that. It's like the old line about the guy accused of borrowing from another writer's ideas. He said, "Only hacks borrow; great writers steal." Ry doesn't borrow, he steals. He takes it and makes it his own. In the world of blues, that can be considered either a good thing or a bad thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
Do you know which albums have the most Delta style slide? I have not listened to enough of him and would like to. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Ry Cooder started out in the Delta style. He moved on to fantastic > > fusion projects. > > Actually, Ry started out with one of the first > fusion projects of them all, Captain Beefheart's > Magic Band. He didn't stay with them long, and > moved on to find his own style. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ry Cooder started out in the Delta style. He moved on to fantastic > fusion projects. Actually, Ry started out with one of the first fusion projects of them all, Captain Beefheart's Magic Band. He didn't stay with them long, and moved on to find his own style. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
Ry Cooder started out in the Delta style. He moved on to fantastic fusion projects. I have not heard Ellen. I am searching for her on the Web. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know much about the blues, but I like Ry Cooder and Ellen > McIlwayne (both slide guitarists). > > Are they considered players of the blues? > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > I heard some Little > > > Walter on the radio the other day that knocked me right > > > on my tail but wasn't able to catch the name of the album. > > > > > > The two biggest Chicago harp players are Little Walter and Sonny > Boy > > Williamson II. Little Walter is from Louisiana and has a very > jazzy > > style where he holds the mike cupped in his hands with his harp > giving > > it an organ-like effect. His biggest hit was Juke and this link on > > Amazon gives you a taste of his style. Most harp players think he > is > > God. I couldn't find a video but here are some songs. > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B02OBZ/sr=8- > 2/qid=1149472876/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8 > > > > But my harp Ista Deva comes in the form of Sonny Boy Williamson II > > from Mississippi. He played an acoustic style away from the mike > > which gives the true harp sound. He was a great song writer and a > > funny guy. He is also the single coolest man I have ever seen on > > film. On some videos he puts the harp all the way into his mouth > and > > keeps playing it so he can snap his fingers. I love this guy and > this > > film captures it. Two great songs by my harp hero. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgkUaHT4gHs&search=sonny%20boy% > 20williamson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nice description of the great things about this music. > > > > > > > > I hung out with Brazilians when I was studying their style of > > > > Jiu-jitsu. They have such an expansive spirit, they were fun > to be > > > > around. An ability to enjoy life that comes through in > everything > > > > they do. Really charming. If you would care to send me to > Amazon > > > > on a listening trip for one of your favorites I would enjoy > that. > > > > > > Thing is, the only area of music I really know anything > > > about is classical, and the snippets you can listen to > > > on Amazon aren't long enough to be satisfying. > > > > > > I also love classic jazz and blues and certain ethnic > > > music, but I'm not familiar enough with any of it to be > > > able to say, Hey, go listen to this! I mostly listen > > > to radio stations that specialize in these areas, and > > > I follow other people's recommendations. I'm trying > > > to get to the point where I know what I like well > > > enough to buy some CDs. Rosa Passos really hit the > > > spot, so that was a good start. > > > > > > > Ever listen to African music. particularly from Mali? > > > > > > Not that I know of, but I'm willing to give it a try. > > > > > > Blues recommendations would be very welcome--generally > > > the kind of thing you play, classic, acoustic, small > > > ensembles, guitar, harp, sax. Don't know the subgenres > > > well enough to give a preference. I heard some Little > > > Walter on the radio the other day that knocked me right > > > on my tail but wasn't able to catch the name of the album. > > > > > > (Yes, your CD is on my list!) > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know much about the blues, but I like Ry Cooder and Ellen > McIlwayne (both slide guitarists). > > Are they considered players of the blues? > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blues To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > this > film captures it. Two great songs by my harp hero. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgkUaHT4gHs&search=sonny%20boy% 20williamson > > Whoa! Thanks, Curtis. You just made my day! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I heard some Little
> > Walter on the radio the other day that knocked me right
> > on my tail but wasn't able to catch the name of the album.
>
>
> The two biggest Chicago harp players are Little Walter and Sonny Boy
> Williamson II. Little Walter is from Louisiana and has a very
> jazzy style where he holds the mike cupped in his hands with his
> harp giving it an organ-like effect. His biggest hit was Juke and
> this link on Amazon gives you a taste of his style. Most harp
> players think he is God. I couldn't find a video but here are some
> songs.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B02OBZ/sr=8-
2/qid=1149472876/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8
Huh, that's odd, that's not the sound I remember
hearing. I don't suppose he could have done less-
jazzy stuff in his younger days? What I heard was
virtuosic, but more melodic. I was listening via
iTunes; there's no announcer on this station, but
the info on the performers comes up on the screen.
Maybe they got it wrong and it wasn't Little Walter
after all.
> But my harp Ista Deva comes in the form of Sonny Boy Williamson II
> from Mississippi. He played an acoustic style away from the mike
> which gives the true harp sound. He was a great song writer and a
> funny guy. He is also the single coolest man I have ever seen on
> film. On some videos he puts the harp all the way into his mouth
> and keeps playing it so he can snap his fingers. I love this guy
> and this film captures it. Two great songs by my harp hero.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgkUaHT4gHs&search=sonny%20boy%
20williamson
That's more like it! Jeez, he's fabulous. What a
neat dude. Nothing to prove to noBODY.
That's the kind of blues, and the kind of harp, I
like best. I can see why he's your hero.
What an incredible instrument the harp is.
I liked the piano player in the second number too.
The wholeness of what happens with all those
totally different instruments is mind-blowing.
("Wish to God I know [what] like I know now"?)
Is Williamson still with us? Those are wonderful
videos, but they look fairly recent. I didn't know
they made videos of classic-type blues.
Thanks! Would you recommend a particular Williamson
CD?
Last summer there was a blues trio--guitar, bass,
drums--came and played on the boardwalk here over
the July 4 weekend. Three fairly scruffy post-middle-
aged white guys, really pretty good, played this
general type of thing, what I think of as real blues,
not blues rock. I didn't get their name, don't know
if they even had a name. Don't think they had a CD,
just three local guys. I hope they come again this
summer.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
I don't know much about the blues, but I like Ry Cooder and Ellen McIlwayne (both slide guitarists). Are they considered players of the blues? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I heard some Little > > Walter on the radio the other day that knocked me right > > on my tail but wasn't able to catch the name of the album. > > > The two biggest Chicago harp players are Little Walter and Sonny Boy > Williamson II. Little Walter is from Louisiana and has a very jazzy > style where he holds the mike cupped in his hands with his harp giving > it an organ-like effect. His biggest hit was Juke and this link on > Amazon gives you a taste of his style. Most harp players think he is > God. I couldn't find a video but here are some songs. > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B02OBZ/sr=8- 2/qid=1149472876/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8 > > But my harp Ista Deva comes in the form of Sonny Boy Williamson II > from Mississippi. He played an acoustic style away from the mike > which gives the true harp sound. He was a great song writer and a > funny guy. He is also the single coolest man I have ever seen on > film. On some videos he puts the harp all the way into his mouth and > keeps playing it so he can snap his fingers. I love this guy and this > film captures it. Two great songs by my harp hero. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgkUaHT4gHs&search=sonny%20boy% 20williamson > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > Nice description of the great things about this music. > > > > > > I hung out with Brazilians when I was studying their style of > > > Jiu-jitsu. They have such an expansive spirit, they were fun to be > > > around. An ability to enjoy life that comes through in everything > > > they do. Really charming. If you would care to send me to Amazon > > > on a listening trip for one of your favorites I would enjoy that. > > > > Thing is, the only area of music I really know anything > > about is classical, and the snippets you can listen to > > on Amazon aren't long enough to be satisfying. > > > > I also love classic jazz and blues and certain ethnic > > music, but I'm not familiar enough with any of it to be > > able to say, Hey, go listen to this! I mostly listen > > to radio stations that specialize in these areas, and > > I follow other people's recommendations. I'm trying > > to get to the point where I know what I like well > > enough to buy some CDs. Rosa Passos really hit the > > spot, so that was a good start. > > > > > Ever listen to African music. particularly from Mali? > > > > Not that I know of, but I'm willing to give it a try. > > > > Blues recommendations would be very welcome--generally > > the kind of thing you play, classic, acoustic, small > > ensembles, guitar, harp, sax. Don't know the subgenres > > well enough to give a preference. I heard some Little > > Walter on the radio the other day that knocked me right > > on my tail but wasn't able to catch the name of the album. > > > > (Yes, your CD is on my list!) > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
I heard some Little > Walter on the radio the other day that knocked me right > on my tail but wasn't able to catch the name of the album. The two biggest Chicago harp players are Little Walter and Sonny Boy Williamson II. Little Walter is from Louisiana and has a very jazzy style where he holds the mike cupped in his hands with his harp giving it an organ-like effect. His biggest hit was Juke and this link on Amazon gives you a taste of his style. Most harp players think he is God. I couldn't find a video but here are some songs. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B02OBZ/sr=8-2/qid=1149472876/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8 But my harp Ista Deva comes in the form of Sonny Boy Williamson II from Mississippi. He played an acoustic style away from the mike which gives the true harp sound. He was a great song writer and a funny guy. He is also the single coolest man I have ever seen on film. On some videos he puts the harp all the way into his mouth and keeps playing it so he can snap his fingers. I love this guy and this film captures it. Two great songs by my harp hero. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgkUaHT4gHs&search=sonny%20boy%20williamson --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Nice description of the great things about this music. > > > > I hung out with Brazilians when I was studying their style of > > Jiu-jitsu. They have such an expansive spirit, they were fun to be > > around. An ability to enjoy life that comes through in everything > > they do. Really charming. If you would care to send me to Amazon > > on a listening trip for one of your favorites I would enjoy that. > > Thing is, the only area of music I really know anything > about is classical, and the snippets you can listen to > on Amazon aren't long enough to be satisfying. > > I also love classic jazz and blues and certain ethnic > music, but I'm not familiar enough with any of it to be > able to say, Hey, go listen to this! I mostly listen > to radio stations that specialize in these areas, and > I follow other people's recommendations. I'm trying > to get to the point where I know what I like well > enough to buy some CDs. Rosa Passos really hit the > spot, so that was a good start. > > > Ever listen to African music. particularly from Mali? > > Not that I know of, but I'm willing to give it a try. > > Blues recommendations would be very welcome--generally > the kind of thing you play, classic, acoustic, small > ensembles, guitar, harp, sax. Don't know the subgenres > well enough to give a preference. I heard some Little > Walter on the radio the other day that knocked me right > on my tail but wasn't able to catch the name of the album. > > (Yes, your CD is on my list!) > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
I knew you would weigh in with something cool! Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jun 4, 2006, at 12:39 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > but if you're > > > open to a completely different genre, might I > > > suggest you consider adding an album called All > > > The Roadrunning to your To Buy List? > > > > Thanks for the tip. I will check it out. Amazon rocks! > > > If you like South American music you might enjoy the work of Agustín > Barrios Mangoré, the "Paganini of the rainforests of Paraguay". I > attended a concert/inteview with classical guitarist Sharon Isbin > (certainly one of the greatesr clasical guitarists alive) and she > turned me on to him. She did something rather ballsy for a classical > guitarist, she turned to South and Central America and these new > world composers to expand her experience and repetoire. Her > collaboration with Paul Winter and Amazon rainforest percussion > master Gaudencio Thiago de Mello called "Journey to the Amazon" is > just out of this world. > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SAG/002-8350526-2110401?% > 5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=5174 > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > As much as I love her music, I've only seen her > > > play live once. I was living in Eugene, Oregon > > > (still a TMer and working as a State Coordinator) > > > and she came to town with her band and played > > > one of the local taverns. A small tavern. I've > > > lived in houses and apartments with bigger living > > > rooms. So me and about a hundred other people > > > crammed into that space to hear her play. We > > > are talking college students and lumberjacks > > > and construction workers and other musicians > > > and hippies left over from the Sixties, all drinking > > > beer and smoking and dancing and doing a great > > > impression of Leonard Cohen's glorious bar song > > > 'Closing Time,' long before it was written. > > > > > > Emmylou was in hog heaven; this was her kinda > > > crowd. She played for something like four hours, > > > non-stop, and then did every request the crowd > > > asked her for. I think I've managed not to see any > > > of her concerts in the years since because part of > > > me wants this to be my sole memory of seeing > > > her live. Hard to explain. > > > > She used to play up in Corvallis, Oregon at about the same time-- > > 1975-77, and I saw her in a coffee shop playing bluegrass, while I > > was living there. She was relatively unknown then, but it was hard > > to forget that face! > > And that voice. I loved her back-up singing Dylan's Desire alblum. She makes "Oh, Sister" simply haunting in its heart-feltness. When I play it, I usually end up play it over it over and over -- its textures are so gorgeous. Just found this: Oh, Sister" became a concert favorite during the fall tour preceding Desire's release. Tim Riley noted that it was the first time Dylan had invoked God as a method of wooing a woman, and that with Emmylou Harris, the song became a discourse on the fragility of love. Harris's vocal on the final mix was actually overdubbed a day later, one of the few overdubs made during the Desire sessions. Also loved a interview with her, Nanci Griffith, and some other great singers of that genre, toasting (then recently deseased great singer/songwriter) Kate Wolfe. If you don't know Kate, check her out. North Bay Area (SF) coffee-house acoustic guitar, folkish, strong lyrics, melodies that can make you smile all day. Some stuff is "ok" --- some sublime. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nice description of the great things about this music. > > I hung out with Brazilians when I was studying their style of > Jiu-jitsu. They have such an expansive spirit, they were fun to be > around. An ability to enjoy life that comes through in everything > they do. Really charming. If you would care to send me to Amazon > on a listening trip for one of your favorites I would enjoy that. Thing is, the only area of music I really know anything about is classical, and the snippets you can listen to on Amazon aren't long enough to be satisfying. I also love classic jazz and blues and certain ethnic music, but I'm not familiar enough with any of it to be able to say, Hey, go listen to this! I mostly listen to radio stations that specialize in these areas, and I follow other people's recommendations. I'm trying to get to the point where I know what I like well enough to buy some CDs. Rosa Passos really hit the spot, so that was a good start. > Ever listen to African music. particularly from Mali? Not that I know of, but I'm willing to give it a try. Blues recommendations would be very welcome--generally the kind of thing you play, classic, acoustic, small ensembles, guitar, harp, sax. Don't know the subgenres well enough to give a preference. I heard some Little Walter on the radio the other day that knocked me right on my tail but wasn't able to catch the name of the album. (Yes, your CD is on my list!) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > As much as I love her music, I've only seen her > > play live once. I was living in Eugene, Oregon > > (still a TMer and working as a State Coordinator) > > and she came to town with her band and played > > one of the local taverns. A small tavern. I've > > lived in houses and apartments with bigger living > > rooms. So me and about a hundred other people > > crammed into that space to hear her play. We > > are talking college students and lumberjacks > > and construction workers and other musicians > > and hippies left over from the Sixties, all drinking > > beer and smoking and dancing and doing a great > > impression of Leonard Cohen's glorious bar song > > 'Closing Time,' long before it was written. > > > > Emmylou was in hog heaven; this was her kinda > > crowd. She played for something like four hours, > > non-stop, and then did every request the crowd > > asked her for. I think I've managed not to see any > > of her concerts in the years since because part of > > me wants this to be my sole memory of seeing > > her live. Hard to explain. > > She used to play up in Corvallis, Oregon at about the same time-- > 1975-77, and I saw her in a coffee shop playing bluegrass, while I > was living there. She was relatively unknown then, but it was hard > to forget that face! And that voice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As much as I love her music, I've only seen her > play live once. I was living in Eugene, Oregon > (still a TMer and working as a State Coordinator) > and she came to town with her band and played > one of the local taverns. A small tavern. I've > lived in houses and apartments with bigger living > rooms. So me and about a hundred other people > crammed into that space to hear her play. We > are talking college students and lumberjacks > and construction workers and other musicians > and hippies left over from the Sixties, all drinking > beer and smoking and dancing and doing a great > impression of Leonard Cohen's glorious bar song > 'Closing Time,' long before it was written. > > Emmylou was in hog heaven; this was her kinda > crowd. She played for something like four hours, > non-stop, and then did every request the crowd > asked her for. I think I've managed not to see any > of her concerts in the years since because part of > me wants this to be my sole memory of seeing > her live. Hard to explain. She used to play up in Corvallis, Oregon at about the same time-- 1975-77, and I saw her in a coffee shop playing bluegrass, while I was living there. She was relatively unknown then, but it was hard to forget that face! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
On Jun 4, 2006, at 12:39 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > but if you're > > open to a completely different genre, might I > > suggest you consider adding an album called All > > The Roadrunning to your To Buy List? > > Thanks for the tip. I will check it out. Amazon rocks! If you like South American music you might enjoy the work of Agustín Barrios Mangoré, the "Paganini of the rainforests of Paraguay". I attended a concert/inteview with classical guitarist Sharon Isbin (certainly one of the greatesr clasical guitarists alive) and she turned me on to him. She did something rather ballsy for a classical guitarist, she turned to South and Central America and these new world composers to expand her experience and repetoire. Her collaboration with Paul Winter and Amazon rainforest percussion master Gaudencio Thiago de Mello called "Journey to the Amazon" is just out of this world. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SAG/002-8350526-2110401?% 5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=5174 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ...but if you're > > open to a completely different genre, might I > > suggest you consider adding an album called All > > The Roadrunning to your To Buy List? > > Thanks for the tip. I will check it out. Amazon rocks! I've been listening to the two of them a lot today. I had a deadline to meet, and today's the first day that I could really kick back and do nothing (in the Zennist of senses, like listening to great music and really *listening*). So I wound up writing a little to a music list about these two, and a lively discussion ensued there, so I have following followup information handy: To catch up on Emmylou, an album called 'The Very Best of Emmylou Harris: Heartaches and Highways' is very good indeed, with a choice of songs made by someone who obviously knows her music well enough to choose a few of the "very best." http://tinyurl.com/f595c For Mark Knopfler, there's one called 'Private Investigations: The Best of Dire Straits & Mark Knopfler.' Its "set list" is also remarkably well-chosen. http://tinyurl.com/sx3c3 ... You can always tell if the compiler of the "Best Of" albums knows what he's doing by the masterpieces they don't dare leave out -- the ones that weren't necessarily big hits, but cannot be overlooked if you want to understand the artist. For Emmylou, the two that *had* to be included, and were, are 'Love Hurts,' with Gram Parsons, and 'Boulder To Birmingham,' the song she wrote about him after his death. Fundamental. The one that got missed, IMHO, was 'If I Needed You,' her duet with the incomparable John Starling. For Mark, the one that really *had* to be included, and was, is 'Romeo And Juliet.' It's a masterpiece of the Out-Dylaning Dylan School Of Songwriting, taking street characters and mythifying them. ... I first discovered Emmylou Harris while working in a record store in Toronto, where I stumbled onto her first album. You know me...I bought it because of the photo of her on the cover. :-) Don't bother looking for it, though...when she got famous, Emmylou bought up the rights to the album and pulled it off the market, so that it wouldn't still be available. Compared to her later work, she was right to do so...it was that embarrassing. It was some music exec's attempt to turn a young, unknown talent into a Joni Mitchell clone. And yet, there was something about her voice that captivated me. Shortly afterwards, she showed up singing with Gram Parsons, and I was a goner. That's really where the true history of her career should start. Gram heard a songbird that really needed to fly free, and the music exec heard only something that needed to be caged. As much as I love her music, I've only seen her play live once. I was living in Eugene, Oregon (still a TMer and working as a State Coordinator) and she came to town with her band and played one of the local taverns. A small tavern. I've lived in houses and apartments with bigger living rooms. So me and about a hundred other people crammed into that space to hear her play. We are talking college students and lumberjacks and construction workers and other musicians and hippies left over from the Sixties, all drinking beer and smoking and dancing and doing a great impression of Leonard Cohen's glorious bar song 'Closing Time,' long before it was written. Emmylou was in hog heaven; this was her kinda crowd. She played for something like four hours, non-stop, and then did every request the crowd asked her for. I think I've managed not to see any of her concerts in the years since because part of me wants this to be my sole memory of seeing her live. Hard to explain. Similarly, I've only seen Knopfler once, last year in Paris. The concert was at Bercy, another intimate setting (just me and my date and 15,000 others). But the man has such magic that, sitting there listening to him, I'd have sworn that the room was no larger than a country tavern. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
but if you're > open to a completely different genre, might I > suggest you consider adding an album called All > The Roadrunning to your To Buy List? Thanks for the tip. I will check it out. Amazon rocks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > Rougher edge, maybe, but this music is so *elegant*, > > no matter who's performing it. Part of it is the > > language, I guess, which is luscious, and then the > > expansive musical line, which you just sink right > > into. I love the variety of voices on this CD. > > > > It's been awhile since I've listened to Brazilian > > music seriously. This one goes on my list to buy > > (I'm trying to keep to one CD a week!). Great > > pick. Thanks again. > > I haven't heard the albums you've been discussing > (product deadline, and all that), but if you're > open to a completely different genre, might I > suggest you consider adding an album called All > The Roadrunning to your To Buy List? If you don't > like it, I will cheerfully refund the amount you > spent on it. > > I think it's the album of the year, so far. Imagine > two popular music gods, each completely unique in > his or her own Way, who know each other's music > intimately and have been inspired by it time and > again. Further imagine that because of their respec- > tive touring schedules, these two people manage to > see each other only two or three days a year. Keep > imagining, and wonder what would have happened if > these two people spent those two or three days a > year for the last seven years recording an album > of duets. > > The musicians in question are Mark Knopfler and > Emmylou Harris. All The Roadrunning is that album. > It's a labor of love. > > Most of the songs were written by Mark, with two > written by Emmylou. And there's not a 'sinker' in > the lot; the consistency of excellence is remark- > able, especially given the way the songs had to > be recorded. The writing is clever and self- > referential (especially 'This Is Us' and 'Red > Staggerwing' and the title song, and as for the > singing, well, suffice it to say that there have > never been two voices on planet Earth more > karmically destined to sing together. > > I've loved Emmylou since before her pairing with > Gram Parsons, which is a long time. I don't know > of a classier act in popular music. A real lady, > much to be admired. > > I discovered Mark Knopfler late, as Dire Straits > was dissolving. I'd heard a few of the popular > songs on the radio, but somehow it hadn't caught > my ear. Then I saw a wonderful film called Local > Hero and was so transported by the score that I > bought the soundtrack LP immediately after seeing > the film. The next day I went back to the same > record store and bought everything Mark Knopfler > had ever released. I haven't missed one since. > He's a guitar god, and his songwriting is among > the best on the planet, and there's that voice. > > Anyway, you might like this album. It has rarely > left my CD player since I got it, except to listen > to more Mark Knopfler and Emmylou. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > I prefer fewer instruments also. Glad you liked her! > > > > > > This stuff comes from Basil's uptown. Samba originally came > from > > the > > > ghettos. This album has the simple guitar back up to the > singers > > that > > > I also really like, straight from the ghetto. No voices like > > Rosa's, > > > but cool. Rougher edge. See what you think. > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0039L/sr=8- > > 4/qid=1149360569/ref=sr_1_4/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8 > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
Nice description of the great things about this music. I hung out with Brazilians when I was studying their style of Jiu-jitsu. They have such an expansive spirit, they were fun to be around. An ability to enjoy life that comes through in everything they do. Really charming. If you would care to send me to Amazon on a listening trip for one of your favorites I would enjoy that. Ever listen to African music. particularly from Mali? - -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rougher edge, maybe, but this music is so *elegant*, > no matter who's performing it. Part of it is the > language, I guess, which is luscious, and then the > expansive musical line, which you just sink right > into. I love the variety of voices on this CD. > > It's been awhile since I've listened to Brazilian > music seriously. This one goes on my list to buy > (I'm trying to keep to one CD a week!). Great > pick. Thanks again. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > I prefer fewer instruments also. Glad you liked her! > > > > This stuff comes from Basil's uptown. Samba originally came from > the > > ghettos. This album has the simple guitar back up to the singers > that > > I also really like, straight from the ghetto. No voices like > Rosa's, > > but cool. Rougher edge. See what you think. > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0039L/sr=8- > 4/qid=1149360569/ref=sr_1_4/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8 > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > Rougher edge, maybe, but this music is so *elegant*, > > no matter who's performing it. Part of it is the > > language, I guess, which is luscious, and then the > > expansive musical line, which you just sink right > > into. I love the variety of voices on this CD. > > > > It's been awhile since I've listened to Brazilian > > music seriously. This one goes on my list to buy > > (I'm trying to keep to one CD a week!). Great > > pick. Thanks again. > > I haven't heard the albums you've been discussing > (product deadline, and all that), but if you're > open to a completely different genre, might I > suggest you consider adding an album called All > The Roadrunning to your To Buy List? If you don't > like it, I will cheerfully refund the amount you > spent on it. Thanks, but just not my musical cuppa tea. Very little popular-type music these days turns me on. My loss, I'm sure. > I think it's the album of the year, so far. Imagine > two popular music gods, each completely unique in > his or her own Way, who know each other's music > intimately and have been inspired by it time and > again. Further imagine that because of their respec- > tive touring schedules, these two people manage to > see each other only two or three days a year. Keep > imagining, and wonder what would have happened if > these two people spent those two or three days a > year for the last seven years recording an album > of duets. > > The musicians in question are Mark Knopfler and > Emmylou Harris. All The Roadrunning is that album. > It's a labor of love. > > Most of the songs were written by Mark, with two > written by Emmylou. And there's not a 'sinker' in > the lot; the consistency of excellence is remark- > able, especially given the way the songs had to > be recorded. The writing is clever and self- > referential (especially 'This Is Us' and 'Red > Staggerwing' and the title song, and as for the > singing, well, suffice it to say that there have > never been two voices on planet Earth more > karmically destined to sing together. > > I've loved Emmylou since before her pairing with > Gram Parsons, which is a long time. I don't know > of a classier act in popular music. A real lady, > much to be admired. > > I discovered Mark Knopfler late, as Dire Straits > was dissolving. I'd heard a few of the popular > songs on the radio, but somehow it hadn't caught > my ear. Then I saw a wonderful film called Local > Hero and was so transported by the score that I > bought the soundtrack LP immediately after seeing > the film. The next day I went back to the same > record store and bought everything Mark Knopfler > had ever released. I haven't missed one since. > He's a guitar god, and his songwriting is among > the best on the planet, and there's that voice. > > Anyway, you might like this album. It has rarely > left my CD player since I got it, except to listen > to more Mark Knopfler and Emmylou. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > I prefer fewer instruments also. Glad you liked her! > > > > > > This stuff comes from Basil's uptown. Samba originally came > from > > the > > > ghettos. This album has the simple guitar back up to the > singers > > that > > > I also really like, straight from the ghetto. No voices like > > Rosa's, > > > but cool. Rougher edge. See what you think. > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0039L/sr=8- > > 4/qid=1149360569/ref=sr_1_4/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8 > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rougher edge, maybe, but this music is so *elegant*, > no matter who's performing it. Part of it is the > language, I guess, which is luscious, and then the > expansive musical line, which you just sink right > into. I love the variety of voices on this CD. > > It's been awhile since I've listened to Brazilian > music seriously. This one goes on my list to buy > (I'm trying to keep to one CD a week!). Great > pick. Thanks again. I haven't heard the albums you've been discussing (product deadline, and all that), but if you're open to a completely different genre, might I suggest you consider adding an album called All The Roadrunning to your To Buy List? If you don't like it, I will cheerfully refund the amount you spent on it. I think it's the album of the year, so far. Imagine two popular music gods, each completely unique in his or her own Way, who know each other's music intimately and have been inspired by it time and again. Further imagine that because of their respec- tive touring schedules, these two people manage to see each other only two or three days a year. Keep imagining, and wonder what would have happened if these two people spent those two or three days a year for the last seven years recording an album of duets. The musicians in question are Mark Knopfler and Emmylou Harris. All The Roadrunning is that album. It's a labor of love. Most of the songs were written by Mark, with two written by Emmylou. And there's not a 'sinker' in the lot; the consistency of excellence is remark- able, especially given the way the songs had to be recorded. The writing is clever and self- referential (especially 'This Is Us' and 'Red Staggerwing' and the title song, and as for the singing, well, suffice it to say that there have never been two voices on planet Earth more karmically destined to sing together. I've loved Emmylou since before her pairing with Gram Parsons, which is a long time. I don't know of a classier act in popular music. A real lady, much to be admired. I discovered Mark Knopfler late, as Dire Straits was dissolving. I'd heard a few of the popular songs on the radio, but somehow it hadn't caught my ear. Then I saw a wonderful film called Local Hero and was so transported by the score that I bought the soundtrack LP immediately after seeing the film. The next day I went back to the same record store and bought everything Mark Knopfler had ever released. I haven't missed one since. He's a guitar god, and his songwriting is among the best on the planet, and there's that voice. Anyway, you might like this album. It has rarely left my CD player since I got it, except to listen to more Mark Knopfler and Emmylou. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > I prefer fewer instruments also. Glad you liked her! > > > > This stuff comes from Basil's uptown. Samba originally came from > the > > ghettos. This album has the simple guitar back up to the singers > that > > I also really like, straight from the ghetto. No voices like > Rosa's, > > but cool. Rougher edge. See what you think. > > > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0039L/sr=8- > 4/qid=1149360569/ref=sr_1_4/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8 > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
Rougher edge, maybe, but this music is so *elegant*, no matter who's performing it. Part of it is the language, I guess, which is luscious, and then the expansive musical line, which you just sink right into. I love the variety of voices on this CD. It's been awhile since I've listened to Brazilian music seriously. This one goes on my list to buy (I'm trying to keep to one CD a week!). Great pick. Thanks again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I prefer fewer instruments also. Glad you liked her! > > This stuff comes from Basil's uptown. Samba originally came from the > ghettos. This album has the simple guitar back up to the singers that > I also really like, straight from the ghetto. No voices like Rosa's, > but cool. Rougher edge. See what you think. > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0039L/sr=8- 4/qid=1149360569/ref=sr_1_4/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 6/3/06 2:09 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > When I started TM back in '73 I would go to residence courses with > > my best friend. In our spare time we would speculate whether the > > course leader was in CC because -- Wow! -- he had been meditating > > since '68! A full 5 years! > > Not only that. Can he hear my thoughts? > Trying to avoid the appearance of that is in the checking notes, IIRC. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
Nah, much too esoteric...give us some Almond Joys and we would have been in heaven ourselves. The simple things in life are always better. :) Sal On Jun 3, 2006, at 12:10 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: How about wondering if the teacher was in "CC"? Now the teachers back then seem so young. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I remember them using "indescribable" at many of the Residence Courses > I was on, and, immediately I, and I'm sure most others, would start > dying for a Mounds or an Almond Joy. :) > > Sal > > > On Jun 3, 2006, at 11:46 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > Thanks for trying. It is hard enough to describe emotions let alone > > what lies underneath. I guess that is why they call these experiences > > ineffable. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
on 6/3/06 2:09 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > When I started TM back in '73 I would go to residence courses with > my best friend. In our spare time we would speculate whether the > course leader was in CC because -- Wow! -- he had been meditating > since '68! A full 5 years! Not only that. Can he hear my thoughts? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How about wondering if the teacher was in "CC"? Now the teachers back > then seem so young. > When I started TM back in '73 I would go to residence courses with my best friend. In our spare time we would speculate whether the course leader was in CC because -- Wow! -- he had been meditating since '68! A full 5 years! > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > I remember them using "indescribable" at many of the Residence Courses > > I was on, and, immediately I, and I'm sure most others, would start > > dying for a Mounds or an Almond Joy. :) > > > > Sal > > > > > > On Jun 3, 2006, at 11:46 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > > > Thanks for trying. It is hard enough to describe emotions let alone > > > what lies underneath. I guess that is why they call these > experiences > > > ineffable. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
I prefer fewer instruments also. Glad you liked her! This stuff comes from Basil's uptown. Samba originally came from the ghettos. This album has the simple guitar back up to the singers that I also really like, straight from the ghetto. No voices like Rosa's, but cool. Rougher edge. See what you think. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0039L/sr=8-4/qid=1149360569/ref=sr_1_4/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Whoa, *very* nice, Curtis, I just ordered the CD. Many > thanks. I've heard the name but hadn't ever listened to > her stuff. I love that it's just vocal, guitar, and bass. > Really lets her voice shine. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > > Yeah, Getz and Gilberto, I kiss their feet. > > > > > > You might also enjoy Rosa Passos, if you don't already know her. > She > > sings the same material as Astrid Gilberto, but where Astrid's charm > > came from her not being a professional singer, Rosa can push the > > phrasing even further cuz she is a pro. Here is a URL to amazon > and a > > CD I have so you can hear her: > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B63DIL/sr=8- > 26/qid=1149355032/ref=sr_1_26/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8--- > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yeah, Getz and Gilberto, I kiss their feet. > > > You might also enjoy Rosa Passos, if you don't already know her. She > sings the same material as Astrid Gilberto, but where Astrid's charm > came from her not being a professional singer, Rosa can push the > phrasing even further cuz she is a pro. Here is a URL to amazon and a > CD I have so you can hear her: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B63DIL/sr=8-26/qid=1149355032/ref=sr_1_26/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8--- > > Thanks. Astrid is a favorite. From Getz/Gilberto days 1966 or so, I wore that alblum out -- and his (with her on some cuts) 4 cd set of bossa nova Brazilian period. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
Whoa, *very* nice, Curtis, I just ordered the CD. Many thanks. I've heard the name but hadn't ever listened to her stuff. I love that it's just vocal, guitar, and bass. Really lets her voice shine. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yeah, Getz and Gilberto, I kiss their feet. > > > You might also enjoy Rosa Passos, if you don't already know her. She > sings the same material as Astrid Gilberto, but where Astrid's charm > came from her not being a professional singer, Rosa can push the > phrasing even further cuz she is a pro. Here is a URL to amazon and a > CD I have so you can hear her: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B63DIL/sr=8- 26/qid=1149355032/ref=sr_1_26/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8--- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
> Yeah, Getz and Gilberto, I kiss their feet. You might also enjoy Rosa Passos, if you don't already know her. She sings the same material as Astrid Gilberto, but where Astrid's charm came from her not being a professional singer, Rosa can push the phrasing even further cuz she is a pro. Here is a URL to amazon and a CD I have so you can hear her: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B63DIL/sr=8-26/qid=1149355032/ref=sr_1_26/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Smoooth! is right, not a hair out of place, > sedate if not actually sedated. Morello in > particular cracks me up. Looks like a bank > clerk counting money. The fives go here, the tens > go there--oh, and a twenty, that goes over here. > Gets so into it at one point he actually begins > nodding his head. His glasses start to slip down > his nose, and he pushes them back without missing > a beat. So cool, man. > > Desmond's amazing, almost Mozartian. > > That's what turned us on back in the day, almost > half a century ago. You were just a toddler then, > if you were even born yet. Hard to imagine we > could have been so buttoned up, but it all began > to bust apart only a couple years later. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > So smth! Thanks. The proper state to enjoy this music > starts > > with a chilled martini glass. You pour half a shot of dry vermouth > > into the glass, swirl it around, then pour it all out. Bombay gin > is > > shaken with ice and poured in. 3 olives are dropped in with just a > > splash of the olive juice. Reminds me of growing up in the 60's > with > > my parent's music on. > > > > My favorite guys from this era are Getz and Gilberto with their > > Brazilian samba fusion. It is less cerebral than Brubeck, more > heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDOgYw5-pNs&search=brubec > > > > > > I think you'll get a kick out of this, Curtis. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
How about wondering if the teacher was in "CC"? Now the teachers back then seem so young. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I remember them using "indescribable" at many of the Residence Courses > I was on, and, immediately I, and I'm sure most others, would start > dying for a Mounds or an Almond Joy. :) > > Sal > > > On Jun 3, 2006, at 11:46 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > Thanks for trying. It is hard enough to describe emotions let alone > > what lies underneath. I guess that is why they call these experiences > > ineffable. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
Smoooth! is right, not a hair out of place, sedate if not actually sedated. Morello in particular cracks me up. Looks like a bank clerk counting money. The fives go here, the tens go there--oh, and a twenty, that goes over here. Gets so into it at one point he actually begins nodding his head. His glasses start to slip down his nose, and he pushes them back without missing a beat. So cool, man. Desmond's amazing, almost Mozartian. That's what turned us on back in the day, almost half a century ago. You were just a toddler then, if you were even born yet. Hard to imagine we could have been so buttoned up, but it all began to bust apart only a couple years later. Yeah, Getz and Gilberto, I kiss their feet. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So smth! Thanks. The proper state to enjoy this music starts > with a chilled martini glass. You pour half a shot of dry vermouth > into the glass, swirl it around, then pour it all out. Bombay gin is > shaken with ice and poured in. 3 olives are dropped in with just a > splash of the olive juice. Reminds me of growing up in the 60's with > my parent's music on. > > My favorite guys from this era are Getz and Gilberto with their > Brazilian samba fusion. It is less cerebral than Brubeck, more heart. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDOgYw5-pNs&search=brubec > > > > I think you'll get a kick out of this, Curtis. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
I remember them using "indescribable" at many of the Residence Courses I was on, and, immediately I, and I'm sure most others, would start dying for a Mounds or an Almond Joy. :) Sal On Jun 3, 2006, at 11:46 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Thanks for trying. It is hard enough to describe emotions let alone what lies underneath. I guess that is why they call these experiences ineffable.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
> > I would like to hear more about how the container expands in your > > experience these days. If it can be articulated. > > Really, really difficult to articulate, impossibly > abstract. > > I guess the least-misleading thing I can say about > it is that everything is gradually but steadily > growing more transparent. That doesn't begin to > cover it, but it's the only word that comes to mind. Thanks for trying. It is hard enough to describe emotions let alone what lies underneath. I guess that is why they call these experiences ineffable. But you used personal choices rather than MMY overused words so it did convey more. As I remember the experience his words are the ones that come up so it was nice to hear a more personal _expression_. "No, obvioiusly not. But I have a tough time relating to the rest of it. For me, consciousness expansion is a process that nothing could take the place of because it isn't remotely *like* any other process, not in the same class, not of the same order; it encompasses and subsumes all other processes." In many ways my perspective shift is just as hard to express. What was so important to me dropped away quickly. After a brief feeling of wha?, I settled in to my new awareness. The details of how I think about it took longer. That process continues. You have a valued process that has worked for you for a long time now. High five for that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > "Not rejecting TM specifically, but the notion I've > > been calling "container development" in general, i.e., > > you didn't move on to another spiritual path, you > > decided to stick with secular and concern yourself > > only with contents. Among the folks here, you're > > unusual in that respect, I think. > > > > Again, my experience is that expanding the container > > enhances all the types of things you talk about with > > regard to contents, beyond what I could manage if I > > were dealing *only* with the contents." > > > > There is quite an accumulation of this knowledge in this group. The > > fact that so many have broadened their scope beyond TM makes it even > > more interesting. From your last post I understand that your > interest > > in consciousness expansion predates your involvement in TM. > > > > I would like to hear more about how the container expands in your > > experience these days. If it can be articulated. > > Really, really difficult to articulate, impossibly > abstract. > > I guess the least-misleading thing I can say about > it is that everything is gradually but steadily > growing more transparent. That doesn't begin to > cover it, but it's the only word that comes to mind. > > > My focus on the contents of my awareness is not so much a decision > as > > a natural consequence of my perspective shift. Within the realm of > > the contents of my experience are plenty of things which take the > > place of consciousness expansion, that I consider to be my inner > life. > > I would not call it the container of the contents of my awareness, > > that is too abstract for me. But they are profound to me and serve > as > > a measure of my inner growth. In other words I am not just living > for > > the senses in an unreflective manor. > > No, obvioiusly not. But I have a tough time relating > to the rest of it. For me, consciousness expansion > is a process that nothing could take the place of > because it isn't remotely *like* any other process, > not in the same class, not of the same order; it > encompasses and subsumes all other processes. > > > Of course all this is still an > > activity of consciousness, not consciousness itself. I do relate > to > > this group's focus on personal growth, I just measure it differently > > perhaps. But with all the diversity in experience I feel quite at > > home. That is because the group members I have communicated with > > seems accepting of difference, which is up there in my own version > of > > what spiritual should mean. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
So smth! Thanks. The proper state to enjoy this music starts with a chilled martini glass. You pour half a shot of dry vermouth into the glass, swirl it around, then pour it all out. Bombay gin is shaken with ice and poured in. 3 olives are dropped in with just a splash of the olive juice. Reminds me of growing up in the 60's with my parent's music on. My favorite guys from this era are Getz and Gilberto with their Brazilian samba fusion. It is less cerebral than Brubeck, more heart. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDOgYw5-pNs&search=brubec > > I think you'll get a kick out of this, Curtis. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDOgYw5-pNs&search=brubec I think you'll get a kick out of this, Curtis. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Not rejecting TM specifically, but the notion I've > been calling "container development" in general, i.e., > you didn't move on to another spiritual path, you > decided to stick with secular and concern yourself > only with contents. Among the folks here, you're > unusual in that respect, I think. > > Again, my experience is that expanding the container > enhances all the types of things you talk about with > regard to contents, beyond what I could manage if I > were dealing *only* with the contents." > > There is quite an accumulation of this knowledge in this group. The > fact that so many have broadened their scope beyond TM makes it even > more interesting. From your last post I understand that your interest > in consciousness expansion predates your involvement in TM. > > I would like to hear more about how the container expands in your > experience these days. If it can be articulated. Really, really difficult to articulate, impossibly abstract. I guess the least-misleading thing I can say about it is that everything is gradually but steadily growing more transparent. That doesn't begin to cover it, but it's the only word that comes to mind. > My focus on the contents of my awareness is not so much a decision as > a natural consequence of my perspective shift. Within the realm of > the contents of my experience are plenty of things which take the > place of consciousness expansion, that I consider to be my inner life. > I would not call it the container of the contents of my awareness, > that is too abstract for me. But they are profound to me and serve as > a measure of my inner growth. In other words I am not just living for > the senses in an unreflective manor. No, obvioiusly not. But I have a tough time relating to the rest of it. For me, consciousness expansion is a process that nothing could take the place of because it isn't remotely *like* any other process, not in the same class, not of the same order; it encompasses and subsumes all other processes. Of course all this is still an > activity of consciousness, not consciousness itself. I do relate to > this group's focus on personal growth, I just measure it differently > perhaps. But with all the diversity in experience I feel quite at > home. That is because the group members I have communicated with > seems accepting of difference, which is up there in my own version of > what spiritual should mean. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
"Not rejecting TM specifically, but the notion I've been calling "container development" in general, i.e., you didn't move on to another spiritual path, you decided to stick with secular and concern yourself only with contents. Among the folks here, you're unusual in that respect, I think. Again, my experience is that expanding the container enhances all the types of things you talk about with regard to contents, beyond what I could manage if I were dealing *only* with the contents." There is quite an accumulation of this knowledge in this group. The fact that so many have broadened their scope beyond TM makes it even more interesting. From your last post I understand that your interest in consciousness expansion predates your involvement in TM. I would like to hear more about how the container expands in your experience these days. If it can be articulated. My focus on the contents of my awareness is not so much a decision as a natural consequence of my perspective shift. Within the realm of the contents of my experience are plenty of things which take the place of consciousness expansion, that I consider to be my inner life. I would not call it the container of the contents of my awareness, that is too abstract for me. But they are profound to me and serve as a measure of my inner growth. In other words I am not just living for the senses in an unreflective manor. Of course all this is still an activity of consciousness, not consciousness itself. I do relate to this group's focus on personal growth, I just measure it differently perhaps. But with all the diversity in experience I feel quite at home. That is because the group members I have communicated with seems accepting of difference, which is up there in my own version of what spiritual should mean. More later...--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Thoughtful post. I need to read it a few more times to let more of > > it sink in. I hope to post more tonight. Here are a few thoughts. > > Ditto here. For now, one important clarification: > > > > I don't believe I am being reactive in rejecting the TM model. If I > > understand you correctly, you are wondering if I threw out the baby > > with the bath in rejecting TM? Rejecting a valuable part of > > consciousness expansion just because I left the movement? Is that > > what you mean? > > Not rejecting TM specifically, but the notion I've > been calling "container development" in general, i.e., > you didn't move on to another spiritual path, you > decided to stick with secular and concern yourself > only with contents. Among the folks here, you're > unusual in that respect, I think. > > Again, my experience is that expanding the container > enhances all the types of things you talk about with > regard to contents, beyond what I could manage if I > were dealing *only* with the contents. > > More later... > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thoughtful post. I need to read it a few more times to let more of > it sink in. I hope to post more tonight. Here are a few thoughts. Ditto here. For now, one important clarification: > I don't believe I am being reactive in rejecting the TM model. If I > understand you correctly, you are wondering if I threw out the baby > with the bath in rejecting TM? Rejecting a valuable part of > consciousness expansion just because I left the movement? Is that > what you mean? Not rejecting TM specifically, but the notion I've been calling "container development" in general, i.e., you didn't move on to another spiritual path, you decided to stick with secular and concern yourself only with contents. Among the folks here, you're unusual in that respect, I think. Again, my experience is that expanding the container enhances all the types of things you talk about with regard to contents, beyond what I could manage if I were dealing *only* with the contents. More later... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
Thoughtful post. I need to read it a few more times to let more of it sink in. I hope to post more tonight. Here are a few thoughts. The other angle to this is seeing non-religiously- > minded people come up with bits and pieces of those > very same referents via their own intuitions while > classifying them as being *in opposition to*, or at > least significantly different from, religious ideas. > > That was why I asked you the question you're > responding to in this post, to see if you would > make the connection. We may have to talk in reference to something specific here for me to follow it. I can compare some peak experiences I have today with experiences I had while in TM. But they do not qualify as higher states of consciousness in my own world view. The heightened states I used to seek are not as interesting to me as more ordinary states perhaps. I am also interested in where the line gets drawn between secular and spiritual understanding. Do you have an example in mind? You've decided you want to stick with exploring > the contents rather than the container, which is > of course your choice; but I just wonder whether > you've made it *reactively* rather than pro actively. My whole understanding framework has changed so that the idea of a container and its contents are only useful distinctions when speaking with people with a TM background. I would never make this distinction in my own everyday life. I do exercise and eat well and that makes me happier and clearer thinking. But as I expressed in an earlier post to Rick, my concept of what it might mean to develop the container of knowledge is gone. I have trouble locating this in my current experience although I can remember a vague sense of what I used to notice. Perhaps you can articulate it? I don't believe I am being reactive in rejecting the TM model. If I understand you correctly, you are wondering if I threw out the baby with the bath in rejecting TM? Rejecting a valuable part of consciousness expansion just because I left the movement? Is that what you mean? It isn't just a reaction and I can't say it is proactive. It was a consequence of looking at the whole experience from a completely different angle. It just feel away and I am left noticing other aspects of life that have me fascinated. For example, a version of enlightenment for me today is to be able to understand people with completely different life perspectives deeply. It leads me to hang out with people from other cultures and completely different frames of reference to my own. This is how I relate to conscious expansion these days, although I know that in a spiritual sense this would be considered just a relative perspective shift. Coming back here to discuss these topics with this group is mind expanding for me in the same way. It stretches my perspective. I never want to lose the ability to relate on some level with people on a spiritual path, even though it is not my personal path now. For my current understanding it is the active pursuit of thoughts and perspectives that expands my mind, not an experience of my consciousness. Thanks for taking the time to discuss these topics. You make a lot of interesting points about the relationship of consciousness and religion that I would like to discuss more. If I'm wrong and there *is* such a divine being, > he/she/it will have to make him/her/itself known > to me very directly and convincingly; I can't > possibly believe in his/her/its existence > otherwise. That's the only sense in which I hold > out the possibility of a personal God. > > > I am opened to hearing how you connect your internal experiences > > connect with traditional understanding of consciousness. This kind > > of discussion is so deeply personal, and could not go on without the > > shared experience of TM. I appreciate your interest. > > I was fascinated by questions about the nature of > consciousness for some years before I ever began > TM, so my focus is different from yours. The > experience of the techniques plus MMY's teaching > have provided the best, most comprehensive answers > I've encountered (and I've kept looking). > > (I hasten to add that's MMY's teaching about the > nature of consciousness, period, not Vastu and > politics and all the other stuff.) > > I had already decided there had to be something more > to human consciousness than its contents, and that > one ought to be able to access it and fiddle with it > in such a way as to make the contents work better > (that was approximately how I put it to myself at the > time), so I didn't have to make any huge leap to what > MMY was talking about. > > My consuming secondary and closely related interest > (which arose after I'd had some exposure to MMY's > teaching) is how the nature of consciousness relates > to religion and spirituality. Here my sense is that > religion/spirituality were *originally* all grounded > in intuitions about the nature
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "I'm wondering if the reflections Armstrong has > stimulated about the "gray zones" shed any light > on your question about the meaning of the internal > experience delivered by TM." > > Right on the mark Judy! This is the central question isn't it? > I am opened to the idea that some versions of > spirituality may be more similar than different to my own once you > change the word "God" to "life". I would be interested in hearing > how you put this together since you seem to have dispensed with the > concept of a personal God if I understand your posts. The fact that > you may hold out the possibility for one seems reasonable to me, I > am just not holding my breath on that. For the record, my guess is that "personal God" is not a separate divine being but rather one's own Beingness (i.e., Brahman) experienced on a personal level in the relative. That it is typically interpreted as something other than and greater than oneself (one's Self) is a function of the Brahman paradox, of the structure of consciousness/Consciousness itself. (Similarly with the devas on a smaller scale.) If I'm wrong and there *is* such a divine being, he/she/it will have to make him/her/itself known to me very directly and convincingly; I can't possibly believe in his/her/its existence otherwise. That's the only sense in which I hold out the possibility of a personal God. > I am opened to hearing how you connect your internal experiences > connect with traditional understanding of consciousness. This kind > of discussion is so deeply personal, and could not go on without the > shared experience of TM. I appreciate your interest. I was fascinated by questions about the nature of consciousness for some years before I ever began TM, so my focus is different from yours. The experience of the techniques plus MMY's teaching have provided the best, most comprehensive answers I've encountered (and I've kept looking). (I hasten to add that's MMY's teaching about the nature of consciousness, period, not Vastu and politics and all the other stuff.) I had already decided there had to be something more to human consciousness than its contents, and that one ought to be able to access it and fiddle with it in such a way as to make the contents work better (that was approximately how I put it to myself at the time), so I didn't have to make any huge leap to what MMY was talking about. My consuming secondary and closely related interest (which arose after I'd had some exposure to MMY's teaching) is how the nature of consciousness relates to religion and spirituality. Here my sense is that religion/spirituality were *originally* all grounded in intuitions about the nature of consciousness. (Yes, I know this is very much in line with what MMY says; it makes sense to me. He's also hardly the only person to make this observation. My interest is in finding those intuitions reflected, however dimly, in religious teaching.) I think the original teachings of most if not all religions were intended as metaphors for various aspects of human consciousness, and I'm sold on MMY's idea that it was the lack of a means to explore one's own consciousness (not the content but the container) systematically that degraded and hardened the metaphors for the original intuitions into dogma and mythology. Anthony Campbell has a wonderful bit in his "Seven States of Consciousness" (written while he was still a TMer) about how the religious ideas he'd been taught as a Catholic and had rejected "caught fire like diamonds in a muddy stream" in light of MMY's teaching about consciousness. That was my experience as well (although I had no religious upbringing and was just fundamentally highly dubious about religion in general). The "gray areas" Karen Armstrong explores seem to me to be very close to the interface between religion and the nature of consciousness, where they begin to blend into each other, and where, if you look closely, you can recover the original referents to the metaphors of religious teaching. The other angle to this is seeing non-religiously- minded people come up with bits and pieces of those very same referents via their own intuitions while classifying them as being *in opposition to*, or at least significantly different from, religious ideas. That was why I asked you the question you're responding to in this post, to see if you would make the connection. You've decided you want to stick with exploring the contents rather than the container, which is of course your choice; but I just wonder whether you've made it *reactively* rather than proactively. For my part, the longer I meditate and (presumably) expand the container, the more fascinating, varied, nuanced, and just plain delightful the contents seem to become, so I don't see one as taking away from the other, to the contrary. I'm not sure how coherent any of this is, so I'll st
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
"I'm wondering if the reflections Armstrong has stimulated about the "gray zones" shed any light on your question about the meaning of the internal experience delivered by TM." Right on the mark Judy! This is the central question isn't it? It has not changed how I view my own internal experiences from TM. I do have a great appreciation for the subjective experiences described in some scriptures because I have had compelling experiences that seem similar. I view them as facinating brain states without ascribing them with the epistemological meaning that I used to in the movement. I know what it feels like to have an experience so compelling that is seems like a self-evident truth in itself. But I don't think of them as more than an example of how amazing our brains are. I do not have a goal of developing my consciousness in this manor anymore. It is a valued experience, but not relevant to my world except as a fascinating adventure I took long ago. I value an ability for me to go inward to access a nice creative space, but that doesn't seem to require any practice, and once there I am only interested in the content of thought. That other people are still pursuing this goal makes perfect sense to me since it is an amazing experience. I experienced enough for me. I don't aspire to a higher level of consciousness while walking around beacause I like the state I am in. I aspire to become aware of more things in the world and in my own psychology, but only in a relative sense. I figure that the descriptions of Unity Consciousness may well be a poetic description of the state that aware people are walking around in every day naturally. Since I don't see anyone doing any of the mystical miracle stuff like flying, that may have been a nice advertising hook that never had any reality. For me, the expressions of scripture about life are poetry about the unknown. It is inspiring to me and I enjoy the language, but I have a definite limitation on how far I can go with a spiritual understanding. I am opened to the idea that some versions of spirituality may be more similar than different to my own once you change the word "God" to "life". I would be interested in hearing how you put this together since you seem to have dispensed with the concept of a personal God if I understand your posts. The fact that you may hold out the possibility for one seems reasonable to me, I am just not holding my breath on that. I am opened to hearing how you connect your internal experiences connect with traditional understanding of consciousness. This kind of discussion is so deeply personal, and could not go on without the shared experience of TM. I appreciate your interest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > [I wrote:] > > "It seems to me pretty clear that he was using a > > much more expansive definition of "religion" than > > the conventional sense. (This third stage is also > > known as "the Perennial Philosophy.") " > > > > This is an interesting point for me personally. Life itself is so > > amazing, and the vastness of the universe (just what is known) is so > > overwhelming, that I don't know when appreciation turns religious, > > or what the practical distinctions are. Philosophically and > > abstractly it seems easier. But sit outside at a sunset, and the > > distinctions seem superficial. As long as someone isn't claiming > > that a personal God is telling them specific things, I can usually > > find more similarities then differences in the religious view and a > > simply "isn't life amazing" perspective that I embrace. That is > > why I find Karen Armstrong so fascinating. She is really > > spending time articulating the gray zones in this discussion and it > > makes me think deeply about them. > > From an earlier post of yours in this thread: > > "Even I reject this dismissal of TM! It delivered what it > promised in terms of internal experience. It was the > meaning of those experiences that was the question for me." > > I'm wondering if the reflections Armstrong has > stimulated about the "gray zones" shed any light > on your question about the meaning of the internal > experience delivered by TM. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
And in my book, > smiling is better than not, and more indicative > that the belief system has actually accomplished > something worthwhile. I read somewhere that happiness is not a prioroty from our evolutionary past. It is a personal preference that has little to do with our species survival. Our genes don't care if we are happy, as long as we reproduce. I know what you mean about wondering if Armstrong smiles. I think she was really under the gun when she came out with her book. People get so bent out of shape whenever God is the topic. Especially with such a provocative title! I'll bet she faced a rash of shit that soured her a bit. Same with Dawkins. He is attacked all the time and it probably shapes his combative expressions. When I go to a hospital and see all the amazing inventions, I am glad that somebody is paying attention to this stuff. Some may find happiness in doing it, and some are worker bees who don't value personal happiness the way I do. It is a profound choice in life. I know MMY says that people always go toward their happiness, but that puritan work ethic dominates many people's lives to the expense of their happiness in my experience of people. Of course the world would be in a worse mess if there were not so many people subjugating their personal happiness for duty. In business I find that people who do not attend to their own personal happiness can make martyrdom out of duty and they can spread their own unhappiness to others. I figure that if your duty makes you constantly unhappy, you need to change jobs. I gravitate toward people who value personal happiness because that is such a high priority for me. I guess the polarity balance is duty, in all its forms. I am constantly learning how to balance personal happiness and duty. Attending to one's personal happiness is a choice. The world would love to put us to work building some else's pyramid. Meanwhile I am learning a new guitar lick from Mississippi bluesman, R.L. Burnside and grinn'n like a fool! Off track from your original point, but it made me think, thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good points, Curtis. I've tried reading some of > her stuff referenced here, and the thing that > makes it tiresome for me is the compulsive defense > of something that needs no defense. I don't want > to get into a long discourse about it, but it's > always been my theory that someone who regularly > perceives his or her belief system to be "under > attack" is kinda attached to it *being* attacked. > The attacks (or perceived attacks) make them feel > more important, because they get to wear the mantle > of Defender Of The Faith. > > Not that all of us here haven't been guilty of > that from time to time, in our TM careers or with > some other belief system, but after a while I find > it kinda tiresome. > > As a general guideline, I find that those who hold > strong beliefs quietly smile a great deal more than > those who hold strong beliefs and feel that they > have to argue them or defend them. And in my book, > smiling is better than not, and more indicative > that the belief system has actually accomplished > something worthwhile. > > After reading a few of these tracts, I find myself > wondering how much Armstrong smiles. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Interesting article. > > > > "The problem is that westerners, and no doubt Americans in > > particular, cling to a very narrow and mostly infantile definition > > of religion that focuses on belief in a Big Daddy God, heaven, > > miracles, etc. So most of us in the West think that's what > > religion is. That, and the fact that the world seems infested > > with warring religious whackjobs, > > makes religion easy to hate. I understand that." > > > > I do get tired of the argument that we in the West and "Americans > > in particular" are inferior in some intellectual or spiritual > > way. I didn't find Indians with their Durga statues on their car > > dashboards to be fundimentally more profound than people I meet > > here. In fact the poverty vibe pretty much wipes out most > > intellectual discussions with the poor, and the rich can be so > > arrogant that I didn't think they were any more on the ball > > than we are here. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [I wrote:] > "It seems to me pretty clear that he was using a > much more expansive definition of "religion" than > the conventional sense. (This third stage is also > known as "the Perennial Philosophy.") " > > This is an interesting point for me personally. Life itself is so > amazing, and the vastness of the universe (just what is known) is so > overwhelming, that I don't know when appreciation turns religious, > or what the practical distinctions are. Philosophically and > abstractly it seems easier. But sit outside at a sunset, and the > distinctions seem superficial. As long as someone isn't claiming > that a personal God is telling them specific things, I can usually > find more similarities then differences in the religious view and a > simply "isn't life amazing" perspective that I embrace. That is > why I find Karen Armstrong so fascinating. She is really > spending time articulating the gray zones in this discussion and it > makes me think deeply about them. >From an earlier post of yours in this thread: "Even I reject this dismissal of TM! It delivered what it promised in terms of internal experience. It was the meaning of those experiences that was the question for me." I'm wondering if the reflections Armstrong has stimulated about the "gray zones" shed any light on your question about the meaning of the internal experience delivered by TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
Good points, Curtis. I've tried reading some of her stuff referenced here, and the thing that makes it tiresome for me is the compulsive defense of something that needs no defense. I don't want to get into a long discourse about it, but it's always been my theory that someone who regularly perceives his or her belief system to be "under attack" is kinda attached to it *being* attacked. The attacks (or perceived attacks) make them feel more important, because they get to wear the mantle of Defender Of The Faith. Not that all of us here haven't been guilty of that from time to time, in our TM careers or with some other belief system, but after a while I find it kinda tiresome. As a general guideline, I find that those who hold strong beliefs quietly smile a great deal more than those who hold strong beliefs and feel that they have to argue them or defend them. And in my book, smiling is better than not, and more indicative that the belief system has actually accomplished something worthwhile. After reading a few of these tracts, I find myself wondering how much Armstrong smiles. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Interesting article. > > "The problem is that westerners, and no doubt Americans in > particular, cling to a very narrow and mostly infantile definition > of religion that focuses on belief in a Big Daddy God, heaven, > miracles, etc. So most of us in the West think that's what > religion is. That, and the fact that the world seems infested > with warring religious whackjobs, > makes religion easy to hate. I understand that." > > I do get tired of the argument that we in the West and "Americans > in particular" are inferior in some intellectual or spiritual > way. I didn't find Indians with their Durga statues on their car > dashboards to be fundimentally more profound than people I meet > here. In fact the poverty vibe pretty much wipes out most > intellectual discussions with the poor, and the rich can be so > arrogant that I didn't think they were any more on the ball > than we are here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
On the other hand, except for the fanatical > Hindutva movement (at least from what I've read; > I've not been to India), Hindus generally seem > to be a lot more *relaxed* about their religion, > and generally more tolerant of other religious > beliefs. They do seem comfortable including Jesus as a player. They seem less enthusiastic about Muslims whom they still have a habit of chopping up into Muslim curry even to this day. "It seems to me pretty clear that he was using a much more expansive definition of "religion" than the conventional sense. (This third stage is also known as "the Perennial Philosophy.") " This is an interesting point for me personally. Life itself is so amazing, and the vastness of the universe (just what is known) is so overwhelming, that I don't know when appreciation turns religious, or what the practical distinctions are. Philosophically and abstractly it seems easier. But sit outside at a sunset, and the distinctions seem superficial. As long as someone isn't claiming that a personal God is telling them specific things, I can usually find more similarities then differences in the religious view and a simply "isn't life amazing" perspective that I embrace. That is why I find Karen Armstrong so fascinating. She is really spending time articulating the gray zones in this discussion and it makes me think deeply about them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Interesting article. > > > > "The problem is that westerners, and no doubt Americans in > particular, > > cling to a very narrow and mostly infantile definition of religion > > that focuses on belief in a Big Daddy God, heaven, miracles, etc. So > > most of us in the West think that's what religion is. That, and the > > fact that the world seems infested with warring religious whackjobs, > > makes religion easy to hate. I understand that." > > > > I do get tired of the argument that we in the West and "Americans in > > particular" are inferior in some intellectual or spiritual way. I > > didn't find Indians with their Durga statues on their car dashboards > > to be fundimentally more profound than people I meet here. In fact > > the poverty vibe pretty much wipes out most intellectual discussions > > with the poor, and the rich can be so arrogant that I didn't think > > they were any more on the ball than we are here. They have plenty > of > > big-daddy-in-the-sky believers there too. The biggest holiday for > > them? Diwali for Laksmi baby! Who do they think is so above the > > infantile view? Africa, Asia? We have monks over here that can > hang > > with all the abstract God ideas they can fling them. It is not a > > common understanding in any culture. > > It's a good point. I suspect she's thinking > primarily of contemplative Buddhism and Taoism > in its various forms and assuming it's more prevalent > in Asia than it really is. > > On the other hand, except for the fanatical > Hindutva movement (at least from what I've read; > I've not been to India), Hindus generally seem > to be a lot more *relaxed* about their religion, > and generally more tolerant of other religious > beliefs. The Big Daddy gods aren't anywhere near > as authoritarian. The *ideas* may be equally > "infantile," but they don't have the same effect > on people's lives and behavior because the human- > divine relationship is different, not nearly so > fraught with anxiety and the perceived need to > measure up to impossible standards. > > > "At the same time, Armstrong argues, hatred of religion is a > > pathology. She says that some people who hate religion are "secular > > fundamentalists. They have as bigoted a view of religion as some > > religious fundamentalists have of secularism." I can relate to that, > > but I think many people in western culture have been exposed only to > > the most ignorant, dogmatic, low-level kinds of religion, and have > no > > clue religion can be any other way. Some commenters to Mahablog will > > write that all religion is superstition or even mental illness, > > which saddens me." > > > > Here is the same trap secular people are accused of: picking the > > lowest level of understanding as the point to argue against. I know > > pleny of Humanists who are not bigots. It doesn't make a person > > bigoted to lack a belief in any of the versions of the God idea > > popular today. > > Of course not, but I think you may be assuming > Armstrong and Maha are making a more sweeping > statement than they really are. They're speaking > of a *subset* of Humanists, the militant atheists, > not the whole crew. (And one of her commenters > does indeed write precisely what she predicted. > I've seen many similar comments on blogs and > newsgroups.) > > > I also think that the version of religion advocated here is > > unrealistically elitist. It requires a high level
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Interesting article. > > "The problem is that westerners, and no doubt Americans in particular, > cling to a very narrow and mostly infantile definition of religion > that focuses on belief in a Big Daddy God, heaven, miracles, etc. So > most of us in the West think that's what religion is. That, and the > fact that the world seems infested with warring religious whackjobs, > makes religion easy to hate. I understand that." > > I do get tired of the argument that we in the West and "Americans in > particular" are inferior in some intellectual or spiritual way. I > didn't find Indians with their Durga statues on their car dashboards > to be fundimentally more profound than people I meet here. In fact > the poverty vibe pretty much wipes out most intellectual discussions > with the poor, and the rich can be so arrogant that I didn't think > they were any more on the ball than we are here. They have plenty of > big-daddy-in-the-sky believers there too. The biggest holiday for > them? Diwali for Laksmi baby! Who do they think is so above the > infantile view? Africa, Asia? We have monks over here that can hang > with all the abstract God ideas they can fling them. It is not a > common understanding in any culture. It's a good point. I suspect she's thinking primarily of contemplative Buddhism and Taoism in its various forms and assuming it's more prevalent in Asia than it really is. On the other hand, except for the fanatical Hindutva movement (at least from what I've read; I've not been to India), Hindus generally seem to be a lot more *relaxed* about their religion, and generally more tolerant of other religious beliefs. The Big Daddy gods aren't anywhere near as authoritarian. The *ideas* may be equally "infantile," but they don't have the same effect on people's lives and behavior because the human- divine relationship is different, not nearly so fraught with anxiety and the perceived need to measure up to impossible standards. > "At the same time, Armstrong argues, hatred of religion is a > pathology. She says that some people who hate religion are "secular > fundamentalists. They have as bigoted a view of religion as some > religious fundamentalists have of secularism." I can relate to that, > but I think many people in western culture have been exposed only to > the most ignorant, dogmatic, low-level kinds of religion, and have no > clue religion can be any other way. Some commenters to Mahablog will > write that all religion is superstition or even mental illness, > which saddens me." > > Here is the same trap secular people are accused of: picking the > lowest level of understanding as the point to argue against. I know > pleny of Humanists who are not bigots. It doesn't make a person > bigoted to lack a belief in any of the versions of the God idea > popular today. Of course not, but I think you may be assuming Armstrong and Maha are making a more sweeping statement than they really are. They're speaking of a *subset* of Humanists, the militant atheists, not the whole crew. (And one of her commenters does indeed write precisely what she predicted. I've seen many similar comments on blogs and newsgroups.) > I also think that the version of religion advocated here is > unrealistically elitist. It requires a high level of education and > study to even understand. Again, it's a good point. On the other hand, both Maha and Armstrong emphasize the importance of the *experiential* component in arriving at such a version of religion, which is hard to come by with the major Western religious teachings, at least in more modern times. (I'm thinking not of the speaking-in-tongues type of experience but rather systematic exploration of the structure of one's own consciousness, including transcendence a la TM.) > "Einstein called it a "religious feeling" I think he might have > bumped into the limits of language, as that sounds pretty lame " > > Einstein's granddaughter told me that he did not believe in God and > that the quotes that are used to make him look religious are > misleading. He was not limited by language, he was not religious in > any but the most secular sense. It only sounds lame to someone who > believes it is more than a "feeling" I think she goofed here--Einstein's famous phrase (which he uses in the longer quote) was "COSMIC religious feeling," which broadens it and makes it a lot more abstract; it seems to me he's clearly referring to mystical-type experience. I don't see how he could be said not to have been deeply *spiritual*. I've never thought of him as "religious," and I haven't had the sense that these quotes make him look that way. She quotes him as describing the third level of religion as having "no anthropomorphic conception of God corresponding to it." Then toward the end of the longer quote, "It is precisely among the heretics of every age that we fi
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
Interesting article. "The problem is that westerners, and no doubt Americans in particular, cling to a very narrow and mostly infantile definition of religion that focuses on belief in a Big Daddy God, heaven, miracles, etc. So most of us in the West think that's what religion is. That, and the fact that the world seems infested with warring religious whackjobs, makes religion easy to hate. I understand that." I do get tired of the argument that we in the West and "Americans in particular" are inferior in some intellectual or spiritual way. I didn't find Indians with their Durga statues on their car dashboards to be fundimentally more profound than people I meet here. In fact the poverty vibe pretty much wipes out most intellectual discussions with the poor, and the rich can be so arrogant that I didn't think they were any more on the ball than we are here. They have plenty of big-daddy-in-the-sky believers there too. The biggest holiday for them? Diwali for Laksmi baby! Who do they think is so above the infantile view? Africa, Asia? We have monks over here that can hang with all the abstract God ideas they can fling them. It is not a common understanding in any culture. "At the same time, Armstrong argues, hatred of religion is a pathology. She says that some people who hate religion are "secular fundamentalists. They have as bigoted a view of religion as some religious fundamentalists have of secularism." I can relate to that, but I think many people in western culture have been exposed only to the most ignorant, dogmatic, low-level kinds of religion, and have no clue religion can be any other way. Some commenters to Mahablog will write that all religion is superstition or even mental illness, which saddens me." Here is the same trap secular people are accused of: picking the lowest level of understanding as the point to argue against. I know pleny of Humanists who are not bigots. It doesn't make a person bigoted to lack a belief in any of the versions of the God idea popular today. I also think that the version of religion advocated here is unrealistically elitist. It requires a high level of education and study to even understand. To propose this version of religious belief is like me wishing people would just all get along and be nice to each other. It just can not fly outside of a tiny group of people who have the time and ability to achieve it. Meanwhile the religion of the masses is still making different groups of people believe that God gave them the same land and that they need to die to protect their divine right. The secular criticism of the problems with religious beliefs aren't countered by a few people in an ivory tower. "Some neurobiologists suggest that some of the older meditation practices which are nothing like "transcendental meditation" or the relaxation techniques that pass for meditation these days cause some parts of the frontal and temporal lobes of the brain to shut down so that the seeker experiences being without the boundaries of "I" and the passage of linear time. " Even I reject this dismissal of TM! It delivered what it promised in terms of internal experience. It was the meaning of those experiences that was the question for me. "Einstein called it a "religious feeling" I think he might have bumped into the limits of language, as that sounds pretty lame " Einstein's granddaughter told me that he did not believe in God and that the quotes that are used to make him look religious are misleading. He was not limited by language, he was not religious in any but the most secular sense. It only sounds lame to someone who believes it is more than a "feeling" "Einstein goes on to argue that those who have dedicated their lives to scientific inquiry are "the only profoundly religious people" in this materialistic age." Notice what field of life Einstein leaves out as an important source of religious feeling: "How can cosmic religious feeling be communicated from one person to another, if it can give rise to no definite notion of a God and no theology? In my view, it is the most important function of art and science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are receptive to it." I think the reason that religion is so bad at communicating this feeling is that it pretends to explain all sorts of stuff that we should probably just sit in awe and wonder about. We really don't know what happens when we die, it is a mystery. She makes that point in her interview. Good find! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There's a very nice essay about the Salon interview with > Karen Armstrong on Mahablog, along with Maha's very > insightful personal reflections (although she takes a > rather ignorant swipe at TM along the way). The reader > comments are pretty interesting as well. > > An excerpt, including a quote from Einstein: > > > In the 1930s, Albert Einstein wrote that re
