[FairfieldLife] Re: Most violent countries in Europe?

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "shempmcgurk" 
wrote:
>
> I wonder if there is a correlation between gun control in the
countries below and the amount of violent crime they have; that is, the
stronger the gun control, the more violence...>>

ROTFLMAO.

Stupid.

OffWorld


>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> >
> > 1. Great Britain
> >
> > 2. Austria
> >
> > 3. Sweden
> >
> > 4. Belgium
> >
> > 5. Finland
> >
> > 6. Netherlands
> >
> > 7. Luxembourg
> >
> > 8. France
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Most violent countries in Europe?

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "shempmcgurk" 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , off_world_beings 
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jul 4, 2009, at 2:03 AM, cardemaister wrote:
> > >
> > > > 1. Great Britain
> > >
> > >
> > > Worry not, the Religion of Peace has established as many as 85
Sharia
> > > Courts to bring coherence to Great Britain:
> > >
> > > 85 Sharia courts now operating in Britain
> > > According to the think tank Civitas, "Among the rulings ... we
find
> > > some that advise illegal actions and others that transgress human
> > > rights standards as they are applied by British courts.">>
> >
> > This is stupid. You are being brainwashed by the media. There are
> > Christian church courts in the USA that enforce rules on their
> > congregation. A few even advise illegal action. It is just the
minority
> > though...not the norm.
> >
> > The ancient egalatarian keltic society in Britain is invincible. It
> > cannot be wetted, it cannot be burned, it can be dried up, it cannot
be
> > destroyed. A few outliers are just the natural accepted cost of
freedom.
> > And don't forget, Britain has been a free country a lot longer than
the
> > USA has.
> >
> > OffWorld
> >
>
>
> The way that I understood the Sharia court to work as a result of
Vaj's post is that they would have the force of law.
>
> Is that not correct?>>

Of course not. Get real. Only gangsters break the law with their own
laws.

> If it is correct then, certainly, that would be bypassing the current
court system?
>
> Of course, if the Sharia court is only for civil matters and people
freely enter into a binding sort of agreement -- the way people do with
arbitrators -- then, yes, it would just be an extension of a system that
already is in place in America.>

Er, Britain is not like America. It is not so easy to be held by some
binding agreement when it comes to human rights.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Most violent countries in Europe?

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> I wonder if there is a correlation between gun control in the countries below 
> and the amount of violent crime they have; that is, the stronger the gun 
> control, the more violence...
> 
> 

**

Finland has light gun control, although they are toughening control:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Finland


> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 1. Great Britain
> > 
> > 2. Austria
> > 
> > 3. Sweden
> > 
> > 4. Belgium
> > 
> > 5. Finland
> > 
> > 6. Netherlands
> > 
> > 7. Luxembourg
> > 
> > 8. France
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Most violent countries in Europe?

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 4, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Nelson wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >> Probably the opposite of what you're thinking. In the US almost 10
> >> times the number of Americans that died in the last Gulf War die from
> >> handguns EVERY YEAR (approx. 30,000 people). We're a good example  
> >> of a
> >> country with handgun laws which are too lax...
> >>
> >> On Jul 4, 2009, at 12:58 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> >>
> >>> I wonder if there is a correlation between gun control in the
> >>> countries below and the amount of violent crime they have; that is,
> >>> the stronger the gun control, the more violence...
> >>>
> >   This brings to mind the two sides to quoting statistics.
> >   Were those killed, criminals shot by law officers in line of duty  
> > or people breaking into someones home where the homeowner refused to  
> > be a victim.
> >This country is almost the last to have an armed citizenry and,  
> > the powers that be are working hard to disarm us.
> >There are many who still believe in the first and second  
> > amendments so I expect things will get eventful in the near future.
> 
> 
> IIRC I believe almost a third of the handgun deaths are from suicides.
>
  On another slant, how many suicides are from guns as compared to cars,poisons 
etc.
   In these times people get "suicided" - assisted suicide with a gun.
   Some issues have a lot of fog around them making it difficult to get a clear 
view of the whole picture .

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Most violent countries in Europe?

[Vaj]

On Jul 4, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Nelson wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:


Probably the opposite of what you're thinking. In the US almost 10
times the number of Americans that died in the last Gulf War die from
handguns EVERY YEAR (approx. 30,000 people). We're a good example  
of a

country with handgun laws which are too lax...

On Jul 4, 2009, at 12:58 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:


I wonder if there is a correlation between gun control in the
countries below and the amount of violent crime they have; that is,
the stronger the gun control, the more violence...


  This brings to mind the two sides to quoting statistics.
  Were those killed, criminals shot by law officers in line of duty  
or people breaking into someones home where the homeowner refused to  
be a victim.
   This country is almost the last to have an armed citizenry and,  
the powers that be are working hard to disarm us.
   There are many who still believe in the first and second  
amendments so I expect things will get eventful in the near future.



IIRC I believe almost a third of the handgun deaths are from suicides.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Most violent countries in Europe?

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> Probably the opposite of what you're thinking. In the US almost 10  
> times the number of Americans that died in the last Gulf War die from  
> handguns EVERY YEAR (approx. 30,000 people). We're a good example of a  
> country with handgun laws which are too lax...
> 
> On Jul 4, 2009, at 12:58 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > I wonder if there is a correlation between gun control in the  
> > countries below and the amount of violent crime they have; that is,  
> > the stronger the gun control, the more violence...
> >
   This brings to mind the two sides to quoting statistics.
   Were those killed, criminals shot by law officers in line of duty or people 
breaking into someones home where the homeowner refused to be a victim.
This country is almost the last to have an armed citizenry and, the powers 
that be are working hard to disarm us.
There are many who still believe in the first and second amendments so I 
expect things will get eventful in the near future.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Most violent countries in Europe?

[Vaj]

Probably the opposite of what you're thinking. In the US almost 10  
times the number of Americans that died in the last Gulf War die from  
handguns EVERY YEAR (approx. 30,000 people). We're a good example of a  
country with handgun laws which are too lax...

On Jul 4, 2009, at 12:58 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

> I wonder if there is a correlation between gun control in the  
> countries below and the amount of violent crime they have; that is,  
> the stronger the gun control, the more violence...
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Most violent countries in Europe?

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> I wonder if there is a correlation between gun control in the countries below 
> and the amount of violent crime they have; that is, the stronger the gun 
> control, the more violence...
> 
  Definitely.

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 1. Great Britain
> > 
> > 2. Austria
> > 
> > 3. Sweden
> > 
> > 4. Belgium
> > 
> > 5. Finland
> > 
> > 6. Netherlands
> > 
> > 7. Luxembourg
> > 
> > 8. France
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Most violent countries in Europe?

[shempmcgurk]

I wonder if there is a correlation between gun control in the countries below 
and the amount of violent crime they have; that is, the stronger the gun 
control, the more violence...



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> 1. Great Britain
> 
> 2. Austria
> 
> 3. Sweden
> 
> 4. Belgium
> 
> 5. Finland
> 
> 6. Netherlands
> 
> 7. Luxembourg
> 
> 8. France
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Most violent countries in Europe?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Jul 4, 2009, at 2:03 AM, cardemaister wrote:
> >
> > > 1. Great Britain
> >
> >
> > Worry not, the Religion of Peace has established as many as 85 Sharia
> > Courts to bring coherence to Great Britain:
> >
> > 85 Sharia courts now operating in Britain
> > According to the think tank Civitas, "Among the rulings ... we find
> > some that advise illegal actions and others that transgress human
> > rights standards as they are applied by British courts.">>
> 
> This is stupid. You are being brainwashed by the media. There are
> Christian church courts in the USA that enforce rules on their
> congregation. A few even advise illegal action. It is just the minority
> though...not the norm.
> 
> The ancient egalatarian keltic society in Britain is invincible. It
> cannot be wetted, it cannot be burned, it can be dried up, it cannot be
> destroyed. A few outliers are just the natural accepted cost of freedom.
> And don't forget, Britain has been a free country a lot longer than the
> USA has.
> 
> OffWorld
>


The way that I understood the Sharia court to work as a result of Vaj's post is 
that they would have the force of law.

Is that not correct?

If it is correct then, certainly, that would be bypassing the current court 
system?

Of course, if the Sharia court is only for civil matters and people freely 
enter into a binding sort of agreement -- the way people do with arbitrators -- 
then, yes, it would just be an extension of a system that already is in place 
in America.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Most violent countries in Europe?

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2009, at 2:03 AM, cardemaister wrote:
>
> > 1. Great Britain
>
>
> Worry not, the Religion of Peace has established as many as 85 Sharia
> Courts to bring coherence to Great Britain:
>
> 85 Sharia courts now operating in Britain
> According to the think tank Civitas, "Among the rulings ... we find
> some that advise illegal actions and others that transgress human
> rights standards as they are applied by British courts.">>

This is stupid. You are being brainwashed by the media. There are
Christian church courts in the USA that enforce rules on their
congregation. A few even advise illegal action. It is just the minority
though...not the norm.

The ancient egalatarian keltic society in Britain is invincible. It
cannot be wetted, it cannot be burned, it can be dried up, it cannot be
destroyed. A few outliers are just the natural accepted cost of freedom.
And don't forget, Britain has been a free country a lot longer than the
USA has.

OffWorld