[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama resigns from Trinity (the church)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "amarnath" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > His resignation now just highlights the question > > > of why he didn't do it a long time ago. > > > > maybe he didn't attend church that often > > after all he's a busy man > > > > if you're a TMer, would you like to be held accountable > > for everything MMY did ? > > > > look to the man's deeds, not his church > > > Amen. MMY praised and sucked up to some of the worst > dictators in the world, engaged in all sorts of > questionable business practices, condemned the US on > numerous occasions, condemned Britain as a scorpion > nation, made all sorts of wild predictions that never > came true, but Judy's main job here is to stand up > for him and his mov't. Uh, hardly. > According to her own logic, obviously that means Judy > embraces dictators and hates the US. Not at all. In the first place, I never claimed Obama embraces Wright's beliefs and actions (although, to a certain extent, it wouldn't bother me at all if he did). Whether he does or does not isn't the point. You have completely misunderstood my logic (even though I've explained myself several times previously). In the second place, I'm not running for president. If I were, I would fully expect to be held accountable for MMY's beliefs and actions, whether I stood up for them or not (as it happens, in this case I don't), if I were still associated with him and the TMO. (For the record, it's been many years since I've had any association with MMY or the TMO, other than practicing TM and the TM-Sidhis. And although I think MMY has the Indian sign, as it were, on the nature and mechanics of consciousness, I don't consider his social/political/economic beliefs to be definitive; and I've always thought the TMO sucked big-time.) My point all along has been that Obama *should have known* that if he ran for president, he would be held accountable for what went on in his church, and that a significant portion of the electorate would consider it a deal-breaker. Quitting the church should have been the first thing he did once he began thinking seriously about running. For me, it isn't his membership in Trinity that's the deal-breaker, it's his poor judgment in not recognizing that it could very well result in his losing the election to the Republican. (His candidacy has other deal-breakers for me, but that's a big 'un.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama resigns from Trinity (the church)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "amarnath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > His resignation now just highlights the question > > of why he didn't do it a long time ago. > > > > >>> > > maybe he didn't attend church that often > after all he's a busy man > > if you're a TMer, would you like to be held accountable > for everything MMY did ? > > look to the man's deeds, not his church > Amen. MMY praised and sucked up to some of the worst dictators in the world, engaged in all sorts of questionable business practices, condemned the US on numerous occasions, condemned Britain as a scorpion nation, made all sorts of wild predictions that never came true, but Judy's main job here is to stand up for him and his mov't. According to her own logic, obviously that means Judy embraces dictators and hates the US.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama resigns from Trinity (the church)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "amarnath" > > wrote: > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > look to the man's deeds, not his church > > > > > > His deeds? > > > > He hasn't DONE anything. > > > > Oh, he has written two autobiographies. He's 46 years old and > he's > > written two autobiographies. > > > > Wow. > > > I know...not much of a track record for Obama at 46. > > After all, look at GW Bush-- only 62, and already he has started a > war, wrecked our economy, and made the USA an object of derision > around the globe. Now, *that's* what I call a track record. > ...and that justifies voting for someone with no experience? If anything, by listing the alleged sins of GWB, you're giving us a reason NOT to vote for Obama...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama resigns from Trinity (the church)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > I personally am in sympathy with his church, if not > > > with every last thing Wright has said. > > > > [snip] > > > > It's very unlike you, Judy, to make a slip like that twice. > > > > The last time you said something like that about Wright > > you retracted it. > > > > AIDS? Creation by White people to kill Blacks? Remember that one? > > Read it again, Shemp, more carefully this time. Yes. I stand corrected.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama resigns from Trinity (the church)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "amarnath" > wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > look to the man's deeds, not his church > > > His deeds? > > He hasn't DONE anything. > > Oh, he has written two autobiographies. He's 46 years old and he's > written two autobiographies. > > Wow. > I know...not much of a track record for Obama at 46. After all, look at GW Bush-- only 62, and already he has started a war, wrecked our economy, and made the USA an object of derision around the globe. Now, *that's* what I call a track record.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama resigns from Trinity (the church)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > I personally am in sympathy with his church, if not > > with every last thing Wright has said. > > [snip] > > It's very unlike you, Judy, to make a slip like that twice. > > The last time you said something like that about Wright > you retracted it. > > AIDS? Creation by White people to kill Blacks? Remember that one? Read it again, Shemp, more carefully this time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama resigns from Trinity (the church)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > [snip] > > > > > I personally am in sympathy with his church, if not > > with every last thing Wright has said. > > [snip] > > It's very unlike you, Judy, to make a slip like that twice. > > The last time you said something like that about Wright you retracted > it. > > AIDS? Creation by White people to kill Blacks? Remember that one? > Oh...and a follow-up to that: that nutjob Pfleger said all that horrible stuff about Hillary the other day...and you could see in the background the parishioners standing up and applauding...and the background audio had what sounded like the whole congregation yelping and screaming in assent. You are personally in sympathy with that horrible, racist rant? Please rethink.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama resigns from Trinity (the church)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > > I personally am in sympathy with his church, if not > with every last thing Wright has said. [snip] It's very unlike you, Judy, to make a slip like that twice. The last time you said something like that about Wright you retracted it. AIDS? Creation by White people to kill Blacks? Remember that one?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama resigns from Trinity (the church)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "amarnath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > His resignation now just highlights the question > > of why he didn't do it a long time ago. > > maybe he didn't attend church that often > after all he's a busy man > > if you're a TMer, would you like to be held accountable > for everything MMY did ? If I were running for president, I'd have the good sense to expect it, regardless of whether I "liked" it or thought it was appropriate. Obama has said explicitly that he didn't see the outrage over Wright coming. That's just very, very poor judgment, and it's likely to cost him the presidency and put McCain in office. The Republicans are going to beat it like a drum, and it doesn't really make much difference that he's quit the church now after being there for 20 years. > look to the man's deeds, not his church I personally am in sympathy with his church, if not with every last thing Wright has said. If all voters were like you and me and others here, it wouldn't be a problem, but they aren't. That's unfortunate, but it's a fact. Obama didn't have the sense to realize it, and the whole country is going to suffer for it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama resigns from Trinity (the church)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "amarnath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > look to the man's deeds, not his church His deeds? He hasn't DONE anything. Oh, he has written two autobiographies. He's 46 years old and he's written two autobiographies. Wow.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama resigns from Trinity (the church)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "amarnath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > His resignation now just highlights the question > > of why he didn't do it a long time ago. > > > > >>> > > maybe he didn't attend church that often > after all he's a busy man > > if you're a TMer, would you like to be held accountable > for everything MMY did ? > > look to the man's deeds, not his church > Amen brother. Let the haters hate. Barack provides leadership and a vision for change.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama resigns from Trinity (the church)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > His resignation now just highlights the question > of why he didn't do it a long time ago. > > >>> maybe he didn't attend church that often after all he's a busy man if you're a TMer, would you like to be held accountable for everything MMY did ? look to the man's deeds, not his church
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama resigns from Trinity (the church)
His resignation now just highlights the question of why he didn't do it a long time ago. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > CNN breaking news: > > > > Barack Obama has resigned as a member of the Trinity United Church of > > Christ in Chicago, his campaign says. > > > (CNN) Barack Obama resigned Saturday from his Chicago church where > controversial sermons by his former pastor and other ministers had > created repeated political headaches for the frontrunner for the > Democratic presidential nomination, his campaign confirmed Saturday. > > Obama plans to hold a news conference after the town hall meeting he > is presntly holding in Aberdeen, South Dakota, the campaign said. > > CNN: http://tinyurl.com/5qxch8 > > === > > Sources tell ABC News that Obama felt that as the campaign continued, > the media would continue to focus on the church, to the detriment of > the church community, that Obama would be held responsible for what > happened in the church, and that the Church would be held responsible > for his campaign. It would be best, Obama felt, to simply cut ties. He > has not yet joined a new church. > > ABC News: http://tinyurl.com/5p8p32 >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama resigns from Trinity (the church)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > CNN breaking news: > > Barack Obama has resigned as a member of the Trinity United Church of > Christ in Chicago, his campaign says. (CNN) Barack Obama resigned Saturday from his Chicago church where controversial sermons by his former pastor and other ministers had created repeated political headaches for the frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination, his campaign confirmed Saturday. Obama plans to hold a news conference after the town hall meeting he is presntly holding in Aberdeen, South Dakota, the campaign said. CNN: http://tinyurl.com/5qxch8 === Sources tell ABC News that Obama felt that as the campaign continued, the media would continue to focus on the church, to the detriment of the church community, that Obama would be held responsible for what happened in the church, and that the Church would be held responsible for his campaign. It would be best, Obama felt, to simply cut ties. He has not yet joined a new church. ABC News: http://tinyurl.com/5p8p32
