[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinians terrorism

2006-07-13 Thread kabbalist1
Over the past decade, the United States has given about $1.5 billion 
in aid to the Palestinians, mostly through aid groups.
The only thing Palestinians did with the money is funding more 
terrorism.
The Palestinian's thirst for blood overpass any rational thinking; 
how sad.



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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kabbalist1 kabbalist1@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry Potter 
   larry.potter@ wrote:
   


bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry Potter 
larry.potter@ wrote:

 ( with regard to nablus108 ).
 
 I'm sorry to say that since the intafadah began I have 
uterly 
lost any respect for Palestinians as a nation. They choose 
   terrible 
leaders and support terrible policies. They glorify terrible 
murderers who celebrate in killing Israeli women and 
children. 
 
 I am sad to say to you Palistinians, I have no sympathy 
for 
  you.



http://tinyurl.com/qxtq8

 Aggression Under False Pretenses 
   
   
The aggression comes from the Palestinians side,
  To remind you, or to tell you, since you conveniently left 
  out, 
   that Palestinians murdered of 18-year-old Eliyahu Asheri two 
and 
 a 
   half weeks ago.
  Including that Hamas terrorists firing rockets and mortar 
  bombs 
   for weeks. Some of the rockets fell near the Israel city of 
   Ashkelon. Some 17 rockets were fired between Saturday and 
Sunday 
   morning. A man at a school in the Israel town of Sderot was 
  wounded, 
   Israel officials said.
   
  Now, what would you think, USA will do (or any other 
country 
  for 
   that matter) if, let's say Mexico, will be constantly shooting 
   rockets on USA cities and civilians. I'm just curious to know, 
 how 
   USA will react in your opinion.
   
   
  http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?
   cid=1150885975162pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
   
   
  so, there is more to it than one soldier as Haniyeh is 
 falsely 
   trying to paint.
   
   
  snip

   Palestine is occupied by Israel, the land has been annected. 
They 
   are at war. 
  
  The other way around.
  
 It's always the other way around for the israelis. 
  
 Their logic is twisted and evil. 
 
 What you do not see is that Israel is fighting a lost war. When 
the 
 americans no longer are willing to pay for your criminal ways, and 
 this could happen fast, Israel will have to change it's militant 
and 
 aggressive attitude towards it's neighbours. 
 The Palestinians will have their rightfull land, and the israelis 
 will have their rightfull safety, albeit, since they are basically 
 thieves, on radically less square miles than today.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinians terrorism

2006-07-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kabbalist1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Over the past decade, the United States has given about $1.5 billion 
 in aid to the Palestinians, mostly through aid groups.
 The only thing Palestinians did with the money is funding more 
 terrorism.
 The Palestinian's thirst for blood overpass any rational thinking; 
 how sad.
 

So you think the Israelis haven't built more weapons with the money we give 
THEM? If you 
don't give food-items or medical items to a country, but instead give money, 
every cent you 
give can be counted as military expenditures up to the full amount.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinians terrorism

2006-07-13 Thread kabbalist1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 7/12/06 9:48:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  nablus108@ writes:
  
  The  Palestinians will have their rightfull land, and the 
israelis 
  will have  their rightfull safety, albeit, since they are 
basically 
  thieves, on  radically less square miles than today.
  
  
  
  The problem is the Palestinian people believe and teach their  
young that all 
  of Israel is their rightful land and the Jews have absolutely 
no  business 
  there. It's all or nothing for them. Those thieving Jews, 
hmmm,  where have we 
  heard that before?
 
 
 You think that many Israelis don't teach their kids the same 
thing? Dare I mention that 
 international city, Jerusalem? 

that Israel is their rightful land, yes, and it is! (and also to 
share) but not to be a terrorist and glorify death and murder
as 'expert' Palestinians.

The USA STILL won't move its embassy there and the Israelis 
 have claimed it as their capital for how long now?









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinians terrorism

2006-07-13 Thread kabbalist1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kabbalist1 kabbalist1@ 
wrote:
 
  Over the past decade, the United States has given about $1.5 
billion 
  in aid to the Palestinians, mostly through aid groups.
  The only thing Palestinians did with the money is funding more 
  terrorism.
  The Palestinian's thirst for blood overpass any rational 
thinking; 
  how sad.
  
 
 So you think the Israelis haven't built more weapons with the 
money we give THEM? If you 
 don't give food-items or medical items to a country, but instead 
give money, every cent you 
 give can be counted as military expenditures up to the full amount.


yes, under the circumstances Israel needs to put some money in order 
to defend itself. It's military had significant budgets cuts. Seeing 
the situation today, I'm not sure it was a smart move.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinians terrorism

2006-07-13 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kabbalist1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Over the past decade, the United States has given about $1.5 billion 
 in aid to the Palestinians, mostly through aid groups.
 The only thing Palestinians did with the money is funding more 
 terrorism.
 The Palestinian's thirst for blood overpass any rational thinking; 
 how sad.
 

***

How droll. The U.S. gives Israel billions every year so they can buy  
the most advanced weapons in order to suppress the Palestinians, and 
that's only the tip of the iceberg in terms of cost to U.S. citizens:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinians terrorism

2006-07-12 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry Potter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry Potter 
 larry.potter@ wrote:
 
  ( with regard to nablus108 ).
  
  I'm sorry to say that since the intafadah began I have uterly 
 lost any respect for Palestinians as a nation. They choose 
terrible 
 leaders and support terrible policies. They glorify terrible 
 murderers who celebrate in killing Israeli women and children. 
  
  I am sad to say to you Palistinians, I have no sympathy for you.
 
 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/qxtq8
 
  Aggression Under False Pretenses 


 The aggression comes from the Palestinians side,
   To remind you, or to tell you, since you conveniently left out, 
that Palestinians murdered of 18-year-old Eliyahu Asheri two and a 
half weeks ago.
   Including that Hamas terrorists firing rockets and mortar bombs 
for weeks. Some of the rockets fell near the Israel city of 
Ashkelon. Some 17 rockets were fired between Saturday and Sunday 
morning. A man at a school in the Israel town of Sderot was wounded, 
Israel officials said.

   Now, what would you think, USA will do (or any other country for 
that matter) if, let's say Mexico, will be constantly shooting 
rockets on USA cities and civilians. I'm just curious to know, how 
USA will react in your opinion.


   http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?
cid=1150885975162pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


   so, there is more to it than one soldier as Haniyeh is falsely 
trying to paint.


   snip
 
Palestine is occupied by Israel, the land has been annected. They 
are at war. This discussion is out of proportion. When european 
contries was occupied by the nazis, it was seen as completely 
legimate to kill the occupying forces. The Israeli actions are 
condemned by the large majority of the nations in the world, which 
you, conveniently, left out. Only the americans continue to support 
and fund them. Thats why the USA is a major part of this vast 
problem, and it also largely explains the hatred directed against 
the americans from the Muslim world.

I will never, never forget what Maharishi said in Boppard in 
1982: Why dont't they stop bombing the Palestinian villages... and 
all that. It adresses directly the key element of this tragedy.


Master's article: 
Aiding the cause of peace 
by the Master —, through Benjamin Creme 

It is frequently the case that, in acting for what is seen by them 
as the good of the world, countries wreak havoc on a world scale. So 
dense are the fogs of glamour which surround their actions, so 
illusory is their thinking, that great harm may be done, and much 
pain and suffering caused, for the best of reasons. 

Thus it is today. In recent times, the USA, under the banner of `the 
war against terrorism', has invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, causing 
thousands of civilian deaths and great physical damage to their 
infrastructures. The Taliban, fanatical and rigid but, in the main, 
uninvolved in terrorism, are dispersed but are now regrouping, 
training in the skills of terror. In Iraq, Saddam Hussein is no 
more, but a terrible legacy of deprivation and suffering, 
lawlessness and chaos, has replaced his baleful regime. 

Now the attention of the US administration has turned to Syria, Iran 
and North Korea; they are warned to change or face the wrath and 
might of the upholders of `peace', and the champions of `liberty' in 
the world. 

Thus does America plunge the world into the atmosphere of stress and 
fear, and thus do these give fruit to epidemics and natural 
disasters, which, in turn, serve to increase the fear and stress. 

Dangerous 

What can be done to stabilize this dangerous situation? How can the 
nations keep America in check? By what means can ordinary people 
bring their weight to bear? These are large questions and have, 
indeed, no simple answers. They require wisdom of an exceptional 
order and a co-ordinated approach. 

Firstly, the world must realize the true nature of the problem: the 
USA today is led by men responsive to a nefarious energy which 
prompts their actions and puts peace in jeopardy. It stimulates 
their glamour for power of an international extent, and threatens 
the peace of the world. It has outposts in Israel and Eastern 
Europe, Israel being the major focus. This destructive energy 
derives, though in diminished potency, from that which plunged the 
world into chaotic war during the twentieth century and which, men 
thought, was safely put to rest. 

It can be seen, therefore, how necessary it is that there be peace 
in the Middle East; how necessary it is that the Palestinians have 
true justice and a viable homeland. This is the most important 
problem facing men today. Failure to solve it would be disastrous 
for the world. 

Overcome 

It will take the combined resources of wisdom and will of both 
Hierarchy and men to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinians terrorism

2006-07-12 Thread kabbalist1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry Potter 
 larry.potter@ wrote:
 
  
  
  bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry Potter 
  larry.potter@ wrote:
  
   ( with regard to nablus108 ).
   
   I'm sorry to say that since the intafadah began I have uterly 
  lost any respect for Palestinians as a nation. They choose 
 terrible 
  leaders and support terrible policies. They glorify terrible 
  murderers who celebrate in killing Israeli women and children. 
   
   I am sad to say to you Palistinians, I have no sympathy for 
you.
  
  
  
  http://tinyurl.com/qxtq8
  
   Aggression Under False Pretenses 
 
 
  The aggression comes from the Palestinians side,
To remind you, or to tell you, since you conveniently left 
out, 
 that Palestinians murdered of 18-year-old Eliyahu Asheri two and a 
 half weeks ago.
Including that Hamas terrorists firing rockets and mortar 
bombs 
 for weeks. Some of the rockets fell near the Israel city of 
 Ashkelon. Some 17 rockets were fired between Saturday and Sunday 
 morning. A man at a school in the Israel town of Sderot was 
wounded, 
 Israel officials said.
 
Now, what would you think, USA will do (or any other country 
for 
 that matter) if, let's say Mexico, will be constantly shooting 
 rockets on USA cities and civilians. I'm just curious to know, how 
 USA will react in your opinion.
 
 
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?
 cid=1150885975162pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
 
 
so, there is more to it than one soldier as Haniyeh is falsely 
 trying to paint.
 
 
snip
  
 Palestine is occupied by Israel, the land has been annected. They 
 are at war. 

The other way around.

 This discussion is out of proportion.
and it looks like you are expanding it :).

Looks like Islam and Muslims are hijacked by it's own religious 
people. here is an interesting article,


http://tinyurl.com/zsyph


An Explosive Fatwa Is Issued in Egypt, As Wave of Edicts Grows in 
the War

By YOUSSEF IBRAHIM - Special to the Sun
April 11, 2006

The effervescent satellite network Al Jazeera put its spotlight last 
week on the maddening world of fatwas, those Islamic religious 
edicts riling the lives of believers and nonbelievers from one end 
of the world to the other. Remember, September 11 was the result of 
a fatwa by Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahri, and assorted other so-
called Muslim scholars decreeing a pact to fight Crusaders and 
Jews.

Ever since this momentous attack on America, Islamic fatwas 
multiplied. Many simply dictate lifestyle choices for Muslims. 
Others, however, tell them to wage jihad against various ills and 
targets, in the name of Allah. When originating with a weighty 
source, a fatwa can be deadly.

Among the wave of fatwas already out there, some authorize suicide 
bombings, forbid participation in voting or elections by Muslims 
living in the West, void marriage between spouses who practice 
intercourse in the nude (this one from Egypt), and ban the exchange 
of seasons' greetings between Muslims and nonbelievers, to cite a 
few.

Frivolous fatwas have affected people's lifestyles and mind-sets, 
including a ruling against the Arab version of Who Wants To Be a 
Millionaire, forbidden by Islam as a form of gambling; a fatwa 
banning beauty pageants in front of panels of male judges; one 
demanding that male soccer players wear long trousers to hide their 
skin; a ban on watching solar eclipses, and another against 
bullfights. Interestingly, no fatwas were ever issued banning female 
circumcision.

This past week, Al Jazeera carried a most explosive one: an edict 
from Egypt's highest Islamic jurist, Sheik Ali Gomaa, decreeing that 
the exhibition of any statues is sinful, as is sculpture and those 
who practice it - going all the way back to Pharaonic temples, Greek 
and Roman sculptures, and Christian images spanning several 
centuries, ever since the dawn of history.

Should we prep for a Taliban-style orgy in Egypt? Melting gold 
statues of King Tut (Tutankhamen is his full name); smashing 
Cleopatra images; dynamiting the magnificent temples of Karnak; 
blowing up the Valleys of the Kings and Queens in Luxor; bulldozing 
the majestic Fila temple; burning Roman, Greek, and early Christian 
icons, and sacking treasures of civilization in Egyptian museums up 
and down the Nile Valley?

Sheik Gomaa is no lightweight. To many believers, his words are 
tantamount to marching orders. He was appointed grand mufti 
(jurisprudent) by none other than Egypt's president, Hosni Mubarak. 
Several weighty religious figures rushed to his support.

Left standing, this fatwa is a declaration of war, more so as it has 
been endorsed by the most towering Muslim religious figure alive, 
Sheik Yusuf Al Qardawi of Qatar. Islam proscribed all that leads to 
paganism 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinians terrorism

2006-07-11 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 (  with regard to nablus108 ).

   I'm sorry to say that since the intafadah began I have uterly lost 
any respect for Palestinians as a nation. They choose terrible leaders 
and support terrible policies. They glorify terrible murderers who 
celebrate in killing Israeli women and children. 
 I am sad to say to you Palistinians, I have no sympathy for you.

*

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinians terrorism

2006-07-11 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry Potter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 (  with regard to nablus108 ).

   I'm sorry to say that since the intafadah began I have uterly 
lost any respect for Palestinians as a nation. They choose terrible 
leaders and support terrible policies. They glorify terrible 
murderers who celebrate in killing Israeli women and children. 
 
 I am sad to say to you Palistinians, I have no sympathy for you.



http://tinyurl.com/qxtq8

Aggression Under False Pretenses

By Ismail Haniyeh
Tuesday, July 11, 2006; Page A17 Washington Post

GAZA, Palestine -- As Americans commemorated their annual 
celebration of independence from colonial occupation, rejoicing in 
their democratic institutions, we Palestinians were yet again 
besieged by our occupiers, who destroy our roads and buildings, our 
power stations and water plants, and who attack our very means of 
civil administration. Our homes and government offices are shelled, 
our parliamentarians taken prisoner and threatened with prosecution.

The current Gaza invasion is only the latest effort to destroy the 
results of fair and free elections held early this year. It is the 
explosive follow-up to a five-month campaign of economic and 
diplomatic warfare directed by the United States and Israel. The 
stated intention of that strategy was to force the average 
Palestinian to reconsider her vote when faced with deepening 
hardship; its failure was predictable, and the new overt military 
aggression and collective punishment are its logical fulfillment. 
The kidnapped Israeli Cpl. Gilad Shalit is only a pretext for a 
job scheduled months ago.
 
In addition to removing our democratically elected government, 
Israel wants to sow dissent among Palestinians by claiming that 
there is a serious leadership rivalry among us. I am compelled to 
dispel this notion definitively. The Palestinian leadership is 
firmly embedded in the concept of Islamic shura , or mutual 
consultation; suffice it to say that while we may have differing 
opinions, we are united in mutual respect and focused on the goal of 
serving our people. Furthermore, the invasion of Gaza and the 
kidnapping of our leaders and government officials are meant to 
undermine the recent accords reached between the government party 
and our brothers and sisters in Fatah and other factions, on 
achieving consensus for resolving the conflict. Yet Israeli 
collective punishment only strengthens our collective resolve to 
work together.

As I inspect the ruins of our infrastructure -- the largess of donor 
nations and international efforts all turned to rubble once more by 
F-16s and American-made missiles -- my thoughts again turn to the 
minds of Americans. What do they think of this?

They think, doubtless, of the hostage soldier, taken in battle -- 
yet thousands of Palestinians, including hundreds of women and 
children, remain in Israeli jails for resisting the illegal, ongoing 
occupation that is condemned by international law. They think of the 
pluck and toughness of Israel, standing up to terrorists. Yet 
a nuclear Israel possesses the 13th-largest military force on the 
planet, one that is used to rule an area about the size of New 
Jersey and whose adversaries there have no conventional armed 
forces. Who is the underdog, supposedly America's traditional 
favorite, in this case?

I hope that Americans will give careful and well-informed thought to 
root causes and historical realities, in which case I think they 
will question why a supposedly legitimate state such as Israel has 
had to conduct decades of war against a subject refugee population 
without ever achieving its goals.

Israel's unilateral movements of the past year will not lead to 
peace. These acts -- the temporary withdrawal of forces from Gaza, 
the walling off of the West Bank -- are not strides toward 
resolution but empty, symbolic acts that fail to address the 
underlying conflict. Israel's nearly complete control over the lives 
of Palestinians is never in doubt, as confirmed by the humanitarian 
and economic suffering of the Palestinians since the January 
elections. Israel's ongoing policies of expansion, military control 
and assassination mock any notion of sovereignty or bilateralism. 
Its separation barrier, running across our land, is hardly a good-
faith gesture toward future coexistence.

But there is a remedy, and while it is not easy it is consistent 
with our long-held beliefs. Palestinian priorities include 
recognition of the core dispute over the land of historical 
Palestine and the rights of all its people; resolution of the 
refugee issue from 1948; reclaiming all lands occupied in 1967; and 
stopping Israeli attacks, assassinations and military expansion. 
Contrary to popular depictions of the crisis in the American media, 
the dispute is not only about Gaza and the West Bank; it is a wider 
national conflict that can be resolved only by addressing the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinians terrorism

2006-07-11 Thread Larry Potter



bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry Potter larry.potter@... wrote: ( with regard to nablus108 ).  I'm sorry to say that since the intafadah began I have uterly lost any respect for Palestinians as a nation. They choose terrible leaders and support terrible policies. They glorify terrible murderers who celebrate in killing Israeli women and children.   I am sad to say to you Palistinians, I have no sympathy for you.http://tinyurl.com/qxtq8 Aggression Under False Pretenses The aggression comes from the Palestinians side,  To remind you, or to tell you, since you conveniently left out, that Palestinians murdered of 18-year-old Eliyahu Asheri two and a half weeks ago.  Includingthat Hamas terrorists firing rockets and mortar bombs for weeks. Some of the rockets fell near the Israel city of Ashkelon. Some 17 rockets were fired between Saturday and Sunday morning. A man at a school in the Israel town of Sderot was wounded, Israel officials said.Now, what would you think, USA will do (or any other country for that matter)if, let's sayMexico, will beconstantly shooting
 rockets on USA cities and civilians. I'm just curious to know, how USA will react in your opinion.  http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150885975162pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull  so, there is more to it thanone soldier as Haniyeh is falsely trying to paint.  snip 
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