[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-26 Thread Cliff
Valued by whom?  Assets, unless they are cash or readily
tradeable stocks or bonds, are subject to remarkably wide
ranges of valuation.  Something which an auditor might claim
to be worth $187 million might, if push came to shove, be worth
only $5 million.  I've seen Movement valuations in the past that were
based on what donors said their stock donations in privately held,
lying-through-their-teeth-financial-statment companies were
worth.

Ultimately, something is only worth what someone else is
willing to pay for it.  And I would bet considerable amounts of money
that the assets in the World Peace Fund weren't worth anything close
to a real $187 million.

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  I don't think *he* is lying about where the money
  goes.  I suspect he's been taken in by his nephews,
  into whose pockets the money all goes.
 
 How do you know?

I don't.  But that's my intuition.  I trust
it far more than I trust Maharishi or anyone
in the TMO.
   
   So you intuit that some guy you never met is pocketing 100's of 
   millions of dollars based on...?
  
  As stated earlier (and ignored), intuition.
  
  And the oft-proven fact that no one in the TMO
  I have *ever* met seemed to have a clue as to
  the real nature of its finances, or care enough
  to find out.  I'd be willing to bet that this
  situation has not changed.  When Maharishi dies,
  people will try to find out, and discover that
  there isn't *nearly* as much money as they
  thought there was.  No one will know where 
  the rest went.  And they *still* won't care.
 
 The World Peace Fund had $187 million in it a few years ago.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-25 Thread sparaig
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  [...]
   I don't think *he* is lying about where the money
   goes.  I suspect he's been taken in by his nephews,
   into whose pockets the money all goes.
  
  How do you know?
 
 I don't.  But that's my intuition.  I trust
 it far more than I trust Maharishi or anyone
 in the TMO.

So you intuit that some guy you never met is pocketing 100's of 
millions of dollars based on...?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-25 Thread shempmcgurk
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   [...]
I don't think *he* is lying about where the money
goes.  I suspect he's been taken in by his nephews,
into whose pockets the money all goes.
   
   How do you know?
  
  I don't.  But that's my intuition.  I trust
  it far more than I trust Maharishi or anyone
  in the TMO.
 
 So you intuit that some guy you never met is pocketing 100's of 
 millions of dollars based on...?

Anyone in this day and age who purports to head and run an 
INTERNATIONAL organisation with stated, unambiguous objectives that 
are global in character cannot -- I repeat CANNOT -- name any of his 
relatives to positions of importance.

Indeed, such people should be at the bottom of this list of potential 
executives for those positions.

And when such relatives ARE named to these positions of responsibility 
it is the obligation of all -- media, members of the organisation in 
question -- to ASSUME that something untoward is going on and assume 
the worst...and the onus should IMMEDIATELY be on the head of the 
organisation to prove the contrary, that things are, indeed, above 
board.

Of course, financial statements of assets and income for the 
international organisation in question audited by reputable accounting 
firms should be easily and readily available to all.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-25 Thread TurquoiseB
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   [...]
I don't think *he* is lying about where the money
goes.  I suspect he's been taken in by his nephews,
into whose pockets the money all goes.
   
   How do you know?
  
  I don't.  But that's my intuition.  I trust
  it far more than I trust Maharishi or anyone
  in the TMO.
 
 So you intuit that some guy you never met is pocketing 100's of 
 millions of dollars based on...?

As stated earlier (and ignored), intuition.

And the oft-proven fact that no one in the TMO
I have *ever* met seemed to have a clue as to
the real nature of its finances, or care enough
to find out.  I'd be willing to bet that this
situation has not changed.  When Maharishi dies,
people will try to find out, and discover that
there isn't *nearly* as much money as they
thought there was.  No one will know where 
the rest went.  And they *still* won't care.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-25 Thread jyouells2000
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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[...]
 I don't think *he* is lying about where the money
 goes.  I suspect he's been taken in by his nephews,
 into whose pockets the money all goes.

How do you know?
   
   I don't.  But that's my intuition.  I trust
   it far more than I trust Maharishi or anyone
   in the TMO.
  
  So you intuit that some guy you never met is pocketing 100's of 
  millions of dollars based on...?
 
 Anyone in this day and age who purports to head and run an 
 INTERNATIONAL organisation with stated, unambiguous objectives that 
 are global in character cannot -- I repeat CANNOT -- name any of his 
 relatives to positions of importance.
 
 Indeed, such people should be at the bottom of this list of potential 
 executives for those positions.
 
 And when such relatives ARE named to these positions of responsibility 
 it is the obligation of all -- media, members of the organisation in 
 question -- to ASSUME that something untoward is going on and assume 
 the worst...and the onus should IMMEDIATELY be on the head of the 
 organisation to prove the contrary, that things are, indeed, above 
 board.
 
 Of course, financial statements of assets and income for the 
 international organisation in question audited by reputable accounting 
 firms should be easily and readily available to all.

Amen! 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-25 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/25/05 1:26 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Of course, financial statements of assets and income for the
 international organisation in question audited by reputable accounting
 firms should be easily and readily available to all.

Which, of course, they aren't. I have a friend who taught TM in India for 8
years. He says the Indian movement has a very mafia-like mentality, not
above killing people. What does the mafia do besides kill people? It raises
money illegally. Sets up fronts to launder dirty money and make it
disappear.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-25 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 8/25/05 1:26 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Of course, financial statements of assets and income for the
  international organisation in question audited by reputable accounting
  firms should be easily and readily available to all.
 
 Which, of course, they aren't. I have a friend who taught TM in
India for 8 years. 

TJ ?

He says the Indian movement has a very mafia-like mentality, not
 above killing people. What does the mafia do besides kill people? It
raises  money illegally. Sets up fronts to launder dirty money and
make it disappear.

Puts the India web sites of vast enterprises, yet little perceivable
substance,  in perspective. 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-25 Thread sparaig
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wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
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[...]
 I don't think *he* is lying about where the money
 goes.  I suspect he's been taken in by his nephews,
 into whose pockets the money all goes.

How do you know?
   
   I don't.  But that's my intuition.  I trust
   it far more than I trust Maharishi or anyone
   in the TMO.
  
  So you intuit that some guy you never met is pocketing 100's of 
  millions of dollars based on...?
 
 As stated earlier (and ignored), intuition.
 
 And the oft-proven fact that no one in the TMO
 I have *ever* met seemed to have a clue as to
 the real nature of its finances, or care enough
 to find out.  I'd be willing to bet that this
 situation has not changed.  When Maharishi dies,
 people will try to find out, and discover that
 there isn't *nearly* as much money as they
 thought there was.  No one will know where 
 the rest went.  And they *still* won't care.

The World Peace Fund had $187 million in it a few years ago. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-25 Thread sparaig
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
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 [...]
  I don't think *he* is lying about where the money
  goes.  I suspect he's been taken in by his nephews,
  into whose pockets the money all goes.
 
 How do you know?

I don't.  But that's my intuition.  I trust
it far more than I trust Maharishi or anyone
in the TMO.
   
   So you intuit that some guy you never met is pocketing 100's of 
   millions of dollars based on...?
  
  Anyone in this day and age who purports to head and run an 
  INTERNATIONAL organisation with stated, unambiguous objectives 
that 
  are global in character cannot -- I repeat CANNOT -- name any of 
his 
  relatives to positions of importance.
  
  Indeed, such people should be at the bottom of this list of 
potential 
  executives for those positions.
  
  And when such relatives ARE named to these positions of 
responsibility 
  it is the obligation of all -- media, members of the organisation 
in 
  question -- to ASSUME that something untoward is going on and 
assume 
  the worst...and the onus should IMMEDIATELY be on the head of the 
  organisation to prove the contrary, that things are, indeed, 
above 
  board.
  
  Of course, financial statements of assets and income for the 
  international organisation in question audited by reputable 
accounting 
  firms should be easily and readily available to all.
 
 Amen!

so what do the finances of the ICRC or the American RC look like?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 8/25/05 1:26 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Of course, financial statements of assets and income for the
  international organisation in question audited by reputable 
accounting
  firms should be easily and readily available to all.
 
 Which, of course, they aren't. I have a friend who taught TM in India 
for 8
 years. He says the Indian movement has a very mafia-like mentality, 
not
 above killing people. What does the mafia do besides kill people? It 
raises
 money illegally. Sets up fronts to launder dirty money and make it
 disappear.

So who did they kill?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-25 Thread sparaig
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wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 8/25/05 1:26 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Of course, financial statements of assets and income for the
   international organisation in question audited by reputable 
accounting
   firms should be easily and readily available to all.
  
  Which, of course, they aren't. I have a friend who taught TM in
 India for 8 years. 
 
 TJ ?
 
 He says the Indian movement has a very mafia-like mentality, not
  above killing people. What does the mafia do besides kill people? 
It
 raises  money illegally. Sets up fronts to launder dirty money and
 make it disappear.
 
 Puts the India web sites of vast enterprises, yet little perceivable
 substance,  in perspective.

You mean like the Maharishi Vidya Mandir websites? 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-25 Thread sparaig

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[...]
  He says the Indian movement has a very mafia-like mentality, not
   above killing people. What does the mafia do besides kill people? 
 It
  raises  money illegally. Sets up fronts to launder dirty money and
  make it disappear.


BTW, you may be correct about the corruption of the indianorganization 
and MMY may wellbe aware of it, but unable to influence it directly. 
Note that David Lynch founded his OWN non-profit to fund TM-related 
activities rather than go with the TMO directly. Do you suppose that 
Lynch founded his own org without talking to MMY about it?

I think that MMY is well-aware of any irregularities but is willing to 
tolerate them for now since he doesn't have time to clean house AND 
get his short-term agendas fulfilled. House-cleaning will come after 
he's gone and loyalty transfers to King Nader and MMY's nephews become 
irrelevant outside of India.

Maybe...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-24 Thread TurquoiseB
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
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 Malls centers ARE kooky and selling Maharishi honey, candy 
  bars, 
 soap, etc. is kooky cubed.

Why? It brings in money, does it not?
   
   This is pretty hilarious.  On the one hand we've got
   the conservative greed-is-good capitalist arguing 
   that these business ideas are kooky and out of place
   in an organization that should be focusing on teach-
   ing meditation to as many people as possible.  On the
   other we've got the liberal saying that anything that
   brings in money is good for the movement.  Go figure.  :-)
  
  The above was obviously tongue in cheek, but
  there is a question I've been wanting to ask
  sparaig for a while.  You seem to be consistently
  in favor of anything that brings in money so
  that the organization can survive into the future.
  Is that a correct assessment?
  
  My question is, Survive as what?
 
 Survive as whatever. THe TMO's focus right now is on raising 
 capital, allegedly for the projects that MMY has stated its for. 
 YOu can say he's lying, but that's an interesting claim...

And one I don't think I've ever made.  I think 
he's convinced his self that what he says is true.

 ...since most men his age 
 are interested in creating a legacy, and you're apparently claiming 
 that his legacy will simply be liar.

No, I don't think I've ever said, or even suggested
that.  I suspect his legacy will be just another
guy who started out well-meaning but who got taken
out by his own ego.

I don't think *he* is lying about where the money
goes.  I suspect he's been taken in by his nephews,
into whose pockets the money all goes.

I think that Maharishi has no more clue about the
real world around him than he ever had, and doesn't
care to.  He's *never* lived in the real world, and
isn't about to start now.  Maharishi doesn't DO
self analysis; AFAIK he just assumes that every
thing he says is true.  And he's carefully surrounded
himself with people who believe the same thing, and
would never be so rude as to suggest otherwise.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread TurquoiseB
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   It's possible your memory has conflated articles
   about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
   the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
   the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
   mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
   two.
  
  And, given your history of wanting to prove me
  wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
  tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
  dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
  6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
  me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)
 
 Actually, no, you made the claim, then supplied
 the purported documentation as proof of that
 claim, so you get to find the right ones if
 you want them found.

Ahem.  Let us drift back to the *start* of this
whole gulag in a girl scout troop and remember
the post that we're talking about.  I posted a
thing we call in the writing business a JOKE:

 The real secret of the girl scout cookie drive
 success is that it's a contest -- the girls are
 earning college money for selling the most cookies, 
 that sorta thang.  So to really make it a success, 
 you'd have to come up with some sort of TM contest.
 
 Maybe the poor recerts could earn their way to
 Raja status.  Bring in 108 new initiates and 
 earn your robe!  Bring in 300 and get the crown
 that goes with it.

Because I know you're not familiar with the concept,
a JOKE is a thing you're supposed to laugh at, and
in this case, use to laugh at the TM movement, which
sorely needs it.  You had to go and turn it into some
kind of inquisition.  Go figure.

 You should have simply stuck with saying what you
 remembered instead of citing a misleading Google
 search as though it validated your memory.  You've
 done enough Google searches to know they don't
 always turn up what you think they're going to 
 turn up.

And YOU should have laughed.  Or gotten offended 
about me poking fun at the Recerts and their door-
to-door initiation drive.  Instead you focused on
the nitpick of all nitpicks, Girl Scout Cookies.

Just yesterday on a.m.t., you told Paul to keep
flogging that non-sequitur.  I commented at the time
that it was an interesting term for masturbation, but
I never really suspected that you thought of it that
way in real life.  

I have nothing at stake in this silly non-sequitur,
Judy.  I know what I read.  If YOU want to flog the
non-sequitur, and in public no less, go right ahead.  :-)

Then again, you may have discovered the REAL secret
of the lying and phoniness and criminal behavior 
you like to accuse me of.  It's NOT that I hate MMY.
It's that I hate Girl Scouts.  My entire ten-year
history on TM-related forums was just a distraction,
a lead-in to my REAL tirade, against that devil org,
the Girl Scouts of America.  Wait'll I start in on
the things they REALLY do in those summer camps, and
the REAL story of their original idea for a door-to-
door selling campaign.  They weren't originally going
to sell cookies; they planned to sell condoms.  But
some prissy-assed Girl Scout leader couldn't handle
a joke, and convinced them it should be cookies.  I'll
bet you know her.  :-)
 
Unc







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
  And, given your history of wanting to prove me
  wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
  tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
  dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
  6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
  me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)
 
 Unc, you might want to choose from the following Yogi Berra quotes:
 
 I wish I had an answer to that because I'm tired of answering that 
 question.
 
 I never said most of the things I said.
 
 Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.

I think that my flogging the non-sequitur reply
should pretty much cover things.  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Adn given your history of wanting to personalize everything, it's 
not surprsing your would 
 respond defensively. I checked out several sites also. Not one had 
any scholarship based 
 on selling cookies.  
 
 It's up to you to prove your assertion, not someone else.  Either 
your memories are faulty 
 or , more likely, the articles don't exist.

Yet another person willing to risk arrest by 
flogging the non-sequitur in public.  And they
claim that TM makes one more law-abiding...

  And, given your history of wanting to prove me
  wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
  tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
  dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
  6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
  me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 8/22/05 3:51 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  The idea that a search on Girl Scout cookies plus
  scholarship would yield only items about college
  scholarships awarded for selling the most Girl Scout
  cookies was absurd on its face, and you knew that.
  
  
  Judy, you forgot the but of course as in but of course you knew
  that.
  
 Should I add Girl Scout Cookies to the site description as one of 
 the things we've discussed recently? I got a chuckle over the fact 
 that Barry and Judy managed to get into an argument over them.

I got a chuckle over the fact that Judy would *want*
to argue over them.  :-)

But I hear that some people who've developed a habit 
of flogging the non-sequitur get compulsive about
it, and do it even in public.  There are times when
I wish her vibrator *hadn't* committed suicide by
hurling itself off the nightstand.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread shempmcgurk
Judy.  Please.  Stop embarrassing yourself.

Quit while you still have a few cookies left in the cookie jar...



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
It's possible your memory has conflated articles
about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
two.
   
   And, given your history of wanting to prove me
   wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
   tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
   dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
   6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
   me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)
  
  Actually, no, you made the claim, then supplied
  the purported documentation as proof of that
  claim, so you get to find the right ones if
  you want them found.
 
 Ahem.  Let us drift back to the *start* of this
 whole gulag in a girl scout troop and remember
 the post that we're talking about.  I posted a
 thing we call in the writing business a JOKE:
 
  The real secret of the girl scout cookie drive
  success is that it's a contest -- the girls are
  earning college money for selling the most cookies, 
  that sorta thang.  So to really make it a success, 
  you'd have to come up with some sort of TM contest.
  
  Maybe the poor recerts could earn their way to
  Raja status.  Bring in 108 new initiates and 
  earn your robe!  Bring in 300 and get the crown
  that goes with it.
 
 Because I know you're not familiar with the concept,
 a JOKE is a thing you're supposed to laugh at, and
 in this case, use to laugh at the TM movement, which
 sorely needs it.  You had to go and turn it into some
 kind of inquisition.  Go figure.
 
  You should have simply stuck with saying what you
  remembered instead of citing a misleading Google
  search as though it validated your memory.  You've
  done enough Google searches to know they don't
  always turn up what you think they're going to 
  turn up.
 
 And YOU should have laughed.  Or gotten offended 
 about me poking fun at the Recerts and their door-
 to-door initiation drive.  Instead you focused on
 the nitpick of all nitpicks, Girl Scout Cookies.
 
 Just yesterday on a.m.t., you told Paul to keep
 flogging that non-sequitur.  I commented at the time
 that it was an interesting term for masturbation, but
 I never really suspected that you thought of it that
 way in real life.  
 
 I have nothing at stake in this silly non-sequitur,
 Judy.  I know what I read.  If YOU want to flog the
 non-sequitur, and in public no less, go right ahead.  :-)
 
 Then again, you may have discovered the REAL secret
 of the lying and phoniness and criminal behavior 
 you like to accuse me of.  It's NOT that I hate MMY.
 It's that I hate Girl Scouts.  My entire ten-year
 history on TM-related forums was just a distraction,
 a lead-in to my REAL tirade, against that devil org,
 the Girl Scouts of America.  Wait'll I start in on
 the things they REALLY do in those summer camps, and
 the REAL story of their original idea for a door-to-
 door selling campaign.  They weren't originally going
 to sell cookies; they planned to sell condoms.  But
 some prissy-assed Girl Scout leader couldn't handle
 a joke, and convinced them it should be cookies.  I'll
 bet you know her.  :-)
  
 Unc





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Judy.  Please.  Stop embarrassing yourself.

I think you may have meant to address this to Barry.


 
 Quit while you still have a few cookies left in the cookie jar...
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 It's possible your memory has conflated articles
 about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
 the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
 the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
 mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
 two.

And, given your history of wanting to prove me
wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)
   
   Actually, no, you made the claim, then supplied
   the purported documentation as proof of that
   claim, so you get to find the right ones if
   you want them found.
  
  Ahem.  Let us drift back to the *start* of this
  whole gulag in a girl scout troop and remember
  the post that we're talking about.  I posted a
  thing we call in the writing business a JOKE:
  
   The real secret of the girl scout cookie drive
   success is that it's a contest -- the girls are
   earning college money for selling the most cookies, 
   that sorta thang.  So to really make it a success, 
   you'd have to come up with some sort of TM contest.
   
   Maybe the poor recerts could earn their way to
   Raja status.  Bring in 108 new initiates and 
   earn your robe!  Bring in 300 and get the crown
   that goes with it.
  
  Because I know you're not familiar with the concept,
  a JOKE is a thing you're supposed to laugh at, and
  in this case, use to laugh at the TM movement, which
  sorely needs it.  You had to go and turn it into some
  kind of inquisition.  Go figure.
  
   You should have simply stuck with saying what you
   remembered instead of citing a misleading Google
   search as though it validated your memory.  You've
   done enough Google searches to know they don't
   always turn up what you think they're going to 
   turn up.
  
  And YOU should have laughed.  Or gotten offended 
  about me poking fun at the Recerts and their door-
  to-door initiation drive.  Instead you focused on
  the nitpick of all nitpicks, Girl Scout Cookies.
  
  Just yesterday on a.m.t., you told Paul to keep
  flogging that non-sequitur.  I commented at the time
  that it was an interesting term for masturbation, but
  I never really suspected that you thought of it that
  way in real life.  
  
  I have nothing at stake in this silly non-sequitur,
  Judy.  I know what I read.  If YOU want to flog the
  non-sequitur, and in public no less, go right ahead.  :-)
  
  Then again, you may have discovered the REAL secret
  of the lying and phoniness and criminal behavior 
  you like to accuse me of.  It's NOT that I hate MMY.
  It's that I hate Girl Scouts.  My entire ten-year
  history on TM-related forums was just a distraction,
  a lead-in to my REAL tirade, against that devil org,
  the Girl Scouts of America.  Wait'll I start in on
  the things they REALLY do in those summer camps, and
  the REAL story of their original idea for a door-to-
  door selling campaign.  They weren't originally going
  to sell cookies; they planned to sell condoms.  But
  some prissy-assed Girl Scout leader couldn't handle
  a joke, and convinced them it should be cookies.  I'll
  bet you know her.  :-)
   
  Unc




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
It's possible your memory has conflated articles
about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
two.
   
   And, given your history of wanting to prove me
   wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
   tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
   dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
   6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
   me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)
  
  Actually, no, you made the claim, then supplied
  the purported documentation as proof of that
  claim, so you get to find the right ones if
  you want them found.
 
 Ahem.  Let us drift back to the *start* of this
 whole gulag in a girl scout troop and remember
 the post that we're talking about.  I posted a
 thing we call in the writing business a JOKE:
 
  The real secret of the girl scout cookie drive
  success is that it's a contest -- the girls are
  earning college money for selling the most cookies, 
  that sorta thang.  So to really make it a success, 
  you'd have to come up with some sort of TM contest.
  
  Maybe the poor recerts could earn their way to
  Raja status.  Bring in 108 new initiates and 
  earn your robe!  Bring in 300 and get the crown
  that goes with it.
 
 Because I know you're not familiar with the concept,
 a JOKE is a thing you're supposed to laugh at, and
 in this case, use to laugh at the TM movement, which
 sorely needs it.  You had to go and turn it into some
 kind of inquisition.  Go figure.

As you usually do when you find yourself on the
wrong end of a dispute, you misrepresent what 
happened.  It's never clear with you whether you
genuinely don't remember what happened and make
stuff up to fill in the blanks to your own
advantage, or whether your misrepresentations are
deliberate.

There was no inquisition of *any* kind on my part,
not at the start nor at any time throughout the
entire exchange.  In fact, in two of my posts I
agreed with you, in one case defending what you
had said against a challenge by someone else.

Our exchange got ugly only after I had pointed out
that the Google search you had come up with in
response to the other person's challenge didn't
show what you wanted it to show.  (You had
already gotten ugly with the other person for
having dared to challenge you.)

You don't like to be challenged, Barry.  You almost
invariably get ugly when that happens, especially
when you're in the wrong.

snip
 And YOU should have laughed.

And how do you know I didn't?  Are you so insecure
about whether you've managed to be funny that you
need to see a big HAHAHAHAHAHA?

 Or gotten offended 
 about me poking fun at the Recerts and their door-
 to-door initiation drive.

I *should* have gotten offended??  Why on earth
would you think I'd have reason to be offended?

 Instead you focused on
 the nitpick of all nitpicks, Girl Scout Cookies.

No, I didn't focus on it.  I merely pointed out,
very briefly, that the Girl Scouts didn't operate
the way you said.  And you agreed, saying the contests
you remembered might have been locally sponsored.

Then I posted a little essay on how the Girl Scouts
ran the cookie drive, because I thought *it* might
be a good model for the TMO.  No nitpicking there
either, just a constructive suggestion for the TMO.

If there was any preoccupation with nits, it was
yours, in feeling you had to defend yourself from
the other person's challenge, and then from *my*
challenge to the bogus Google search you had cited
in defending yourself from the first challenge.

snip
 I have nothing at stake in this silly non-sequitur,
 Judy.  I know what I read.  If YOU want to flog the
 non-sequitur, and in public no less, go right ahead.  :-)

Actually, as noted, you're the one flogging it.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread feste37
-Judy, stop!  Find something worthier to think about. Solve some big 
philosophical problem for us by using your intellectual gift for fine 
discrimination. Don't waste it on nonsense. You and Turquoise are
like an old 
unhappily married couple who for some reason will not seek a divorce.
I'm 
wondering if we should ask Grand Wizard Rick Archer to impose some kind
of temporary
restraining order on you guys. Something along the lines of
authfriend and 
Turquoise are not permitted to respond either directly or indirectly
to each 
other's posts for a period of 14 days after such posts appear. 

-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 It's possible your memory has conflated articles
 about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
 the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
 the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
 mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
 two.

And, given your history of wanting to prove me
wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)
   
   Actually, no, you made the claim, then supplied
   the purported documentation as proof of that
   claim, so you get to find the right ones if
   you want them found.
  
  Ahem.  Let us drift back to the *start* of this
  whole gulag in a girl scout troop and remember
  the post that we're talking about.  I posted a
  thing we call in the writing business a JOKE:
  
   The real secret of the girl scout cookie drive
   success is that it's a contest -- the girls are
   earning college money for selling the most cookies, 
   that sorta thang.  So to really make it a success, 
   you'd have to come up with some sort of TM contest.
   
   Maybe the poor recerts could earn their way to
   Raja status.  Bring in 108 new initiates and 
   earn your robe!  Bring in 300 and get the crown
   that goes with it.
  
  Because I know you're not familiar with the concept,
  a JOKE is a thing you're supposed to laugh at, and
  in this case, use to laugh at the TM movement, which
  sorely needs it.  You had to go and turn it into some
  kind of inquisition.  Go figure.
 
 As you usually do when you find yourself on the
 wrong end of a dispute, you misrepresent what 
 happened.  It's never clear with you whether you
 genuinely don't remember what happened and make
 stuff up to fill in the blanks to your own
 advantage, or whether your misrepresentations are
 deliberate.
 
 There was no inquisition of *any* kind on my part,
 not at the start nor at any time throughout the
 entire exchange.  In fact, in two of my posts I
 agreed with you, in one case defending what you
 had said against a challenge by someone else.
 
 Our exchange got ugly only after I had pointed out
 that the Google search you had come up with in
 response to the other person's challenge didn't
 show what you wanted it to show.  (You had
 already gotten ugly with the other person for
 having dared to challenge you.)
 
 You don't like to be challenged, Barry.  You almost
 invariably get ugly when that happens, especially
 when you're in the wrong.
 
 snip
  And YOU should have laughed.
 
 And how do you know I didn't?  Are you so insecure
 about whether you've managed to be funny that you
 need to see a big HAHAHAHAHAHA?
 
  Or gotten offended 
  about me poking fun at the Recerts and their door-
  to-door initiation drive.
 
 I *should* have gotten offended??  Why on earth
 would you think I'd have reason to be offended?
 
  Instead you focused on
  the nitpick of all nitpicks, Girl Scout Cookies.
 
 No, I didn't focus on it.  I merely pointed out,
 very briefly, that the Girl Scouts didn't operate
 the way you said.  And you agreed, saying the contests
 you remembered might have been locally sponsored.
 
 Then I posted a little essay on how the Girl Scouts
 ran the cookie drive, because I thought *it* might
 be a good model for the TMO.  No nitpicking there
 either, just a constructive suggestion for the TMO.
 
 If there was any preoccupation with nits, it was
 yours, in feeling you had to defend yourself from
 the other person's challenge, and then from *my*
 challenge to the bogus Google search you had cited
 in defending yourself from the first challenge.
 
 snip
  I have nothing at stake in this silly non-sequitur,
  Judy.  I know what I read.  If YOU want to flog the
  non-sequitur, and in public no less, go right ahead.  :-)
 
 Actually, as noted, you're the one flogging it.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -Judy, stop!  Find something worthier to think about. Solve 
 some big philosophical problem for us by using your intellectual 
 gift for fine discrimination. Don't waste it on nonsense. You 
 and Turquoise are like an old unhappily married couple who for 
 some reason will not seek a divorce.
 
 I'm wondering if we should ask Grand Wizard Rick Archer to 
 impose some kind of temporary restraining order on you guys. 
 Something along the lines of authfriend and Turquoise are not 
 permitted to respond either directly or indirectly to each 
 other's posts for a period of 14 days after such posts appear. 

I warned you guys what would happen if she 
followed me here, right?

I would be perfectly happy to abide by such 
a guideline.  Make it PERMANENT, and I'd be
even happier.

Here.  I'll start.  Let's see how long she
can keep it up...  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 I warned you guys what would happen if she 
 followed me here, right?

What did I just get done saying about Barry's
misrepresentations?

As I pointed out sometime back when he made this
claim, Barry had *invited* alt.m.t participants 
here, urged us all to join.

There is simply no excuse for his continuing to
lie about this (among many other things), nor
for the rest of you to carefully refrain from
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -Judy, stop!  Find something worthier to think about. Solve some
 big philosophical problem for us by using your intellectual gift 
 for fine discrimination.

First of all, I try to do that too, or at least to
advance the discussion.  Sorry you seem to have
missed all those posts.

Second, why is it Judy, stop and not Barry, stop?

I'll bet you a buck that if he, or anyone else, 
continually misrepresented your participation here,
you would speak up just as I do.

There's some sort of very pernicious double standard
operating, in which Barry is allowed to get away with
the most outrageously false statements, and you
criticize me for calling him on them.  (No, I'm not
talking about his Girl Scouts blooper but rather 
about his misrepresentation of the entire exchange.)

If you all would ride herd on him yourselves, I'd
have no need to do so.  Moreover, if he were made to
realize his behavior wasn't acceptable on this forum,
he'd change it.

But he knows you'll delicately avoid confronting him
and will instead come down on me.  So of course he
continues.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread Peter
AAAH!!!

--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  -Judy, stop!  Find something worthier to think
 about. Solve some
  big philosophical problem for us by using your
 intellectual gift 
  for fine discrimination.
 
 First of all, I try to do that too, or at least to
 advance the discussion.  Sorry you seem to have
 missed all those posts.
 
 Second, why is it Judy, stop and not Barry,
 stop?
 
 I'll bet you a buck that if he, or anyone else, 
 continually misrepresented your participation here,
 you would speak up just as I do.
 
 There's some sort of very pernicious double standard
 operating, in which Barry is allowed to get away
 with
 the most outrageously false statements, and you
 criticize me for calling him on them.  (No, I'm not
 talking about his Girl Scouts blooper but rather 
 about his misrepresentation of the entire exchange.)
 
 If you all would ride herd on him yourselves, I'd
 have no need to do so.  Moreover, if he were made to
 realize his behavior wasn't acceptable on this
 forum,
 he'd change it.
 
 But he knows you'll delicately avoid confronting him
 and will instead come down on me.  So of course he
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   on 8/22/05 3:51 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 snip
   Should I add Girl Scout Cookies to the site description as one 
   of the things we've discussed recently? I got a chuckle over the 
   fact that Barry and Judy managed to get into an argument over 
   them.
  
  I got a chuckle over the fact that Judy would *want*
  to argue over them.  :-)
 
 Except, of course, that I *didn't* argue over them.
 The argument was all from Barry's side.


1) Go back and read all the exchanges.

2) Reconsider whether you're correct in your statement the argument 
was all from Barry's side.

3) If you still agree with that observation, run, don't walk, to the 
nearest therapist.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And we haven't even broached the topic of which cookies are better 
than the
 other...



Oh, hands down it's the ones with coconut and chocolate with the 
hole in the middle...




 
 
 On 8/22/05 4:59 PM, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Should I add Girl Scout Cookies to the site description as one 
of the
  things we've discussed recently? I got a chuckle over the fact 
that Barry
  and Judy managed to get into an argument over them.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -Judy, stop!  Find something worthier to think about. Solve some 
big 
 philosophical problem for us by using your intellectual gift for 
fine 
 discrimination. Don't waste it on nonsense. You and Turquoise are
 like an old 
 unhappily married couple who for some reason will not seek a 
divorce.
 I'm 
 wondering if we should ask Grand Wizard Rick Archer to impose some 
kind
 of temporary
 restraining order on you guys. Something along the lines of
 authfriend and 
 Turquoise are not permitted to respond either directly or 
indirectly
 to each 
 other's posts for a period of 14 days after such posts appear. 





Nah.

Let the marketplace determine their fate.




 
 -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  It's possible your memory has conflated articles
  about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
  the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
  the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
  mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
  two.
 
 And, given your history of wanting to prove me
 wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
 tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
 dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
 6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
 me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)

Actually, no, you made the claim, then supplied
the purported documentation as proof of that
claim, so you get to find the right ones if
you want them found.
   
   Ahem.  Let us drift back to the *start* of this
   whole gulag in a girl scout troop and remember
   the post that we're talking about.  I posted a
   thing we call in the writing business a JOKE:
   
The real secret of the girl scout cookie drive
success is that it's a contest -- the girls are
earning college money for selling the most cookies, 
that sorta thang.  So to really make it a success, 
you'd have to come up with some sort of TM contest.

Maybe the poor recerts could earn their way to
Raja status.  Bring in 108 new initiates and 
earn your robe!  Bring in 300 and get the crown
that goes with it.
   
   Because I know you're not familiar with the concept,
   a JOKE is a thing you're supposed to laugh at, and
   in this case, use to laugh at the TM movement, which
   sorely needs it.  You had to go and turn it into some
   kind of inquisition.  Go figure.
  
  As you usually do when you find yourself on the
  wrong end of a dispute, you misrepresent what 
  happened.  It's never clear with you whether you
  genuinely don't remember what happened and make
  stuff up to fill in the blanks to your own
  advantage, or whether your misrepresentations are
  deliberate.
  
  There was no inquisition of *any* kind on my part,
  not at the start nor at any time throughout the
  entire exchange.  In fact, in two of my posts I
  agreed with you, in one case defending what you
  had said against a challenge by someone else.
  
  Our exchange got ugly only after I had pointed out
  that the Google search you had come up with in
  response to the other person's challenge didn't
  show what you wanted it to show.  (You had
  already gotten ugly with the other person for
  having dared to challenge you.)
  
  You don't like to be challenged, Barry.  You almost
  invariably get ugly when that happens, especially
  when you're in the wrong.
  
  snip
   And YOU should have laughed.
  
  And how do you know I didn't?  Are you so insecure
  about whether you've managed to be funny that you
  need to see a big HAHAHAHAHAHA?
  
   Or gotten offended 
   about me poking fun at the Recerts and their door-
   to-door initiation drive.
  
  I *should* have gotten offended??  Why on earth
  would you think I'd have reason to be offended?
  
   Instead you focused on
   the nitpick of all nitpicks, Girl Scout Cookies.
  
  No, I didn't focus on it.  I merely pointed out,
  very briefly, that the Girl Scouts didn't operate
  the way you said.  And you agreed, saying the contests
  you remembered might have been locally sponsored.
  
  Then I posted a little essay on how the Girl Scouts
  ran the cookie drive, because I thought *it* might
  be a good model for the TMO.  No nitpicking there
  either, just a constructive suggestion for the TMO.
  
  If there was any preoccupation with nits, it was
  yours, in feeling you had to defend yourself from
  the other person's challenge, and then from *my*
  challenge to the bogus Google search you had cited
  in defending yourself from 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 snip
  I warned you guys what would happen if she 
  followed me here, right?
 
 What did I just get done saying about Barry's
 misrepresentations?
 
 As I pointed out sometime back when he made this
 claim, Barry had *invited* alt.m.t participants 
 here, urged us all to join.
 
 There is simply no excuse for his continuing to
 lie about this (among many other things), nor
 for the rest of you to carefully refrain from
 calling him on it.

Oh, now it's all OUR fault as well?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 AAAH!!!




Peter, if you feel like Charlie Brown after Lucy has pulled the 
football away from him for the 1,000th time, well, get used to it...








 
 --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   -Judy, stop!  Find something worthier to think
  about. Solve some
   big philosophical problem for us by using your
  intellectual gift 
   for fine discrimination.
  
  First of all, I try to do that too, or at least to
  advance the discussion.  Sorry you seem to have
  missed all those posts.
  
  Second, why is it Judy, stop and not Barry,
  stop?
  
  I'll bet you a buck that if he, or anyone else, 
  continually misrepresented your participation here,
  you would speak up just as I do.
  
  There's some sort of very pernicious double standard
  operating, in which Barry is allowed to get away
  with
  the most outrageously false statements, and you
  criticize me for calling him on them.  (No, I'm not
  talking about his Girl Scouts blooper but rather 
  about his misrepresentation of the entire exchange.)
  
  If you all would ride herd on him yourselves, I'd
  have no need to do so.  Moreover, if he were made to
  realize his behavior wasn't acceptable on this
  forum,
  he'd change it.
  
  But he knows you'll delicately avoid confronting him
  and will instead come down on me.  So of course he
  continues.
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
[I wrote:]
  Except, of course, that I *didn't* argue over them.
  The argument was all from Barry's side.
 
 1) Go back and read all the exchanges.
 
 2) Reconsider whether you're correct in your statement the 
 argument was all from Barry's side.
 
 3) If you still agree with that observation, run, don't walk, to 
 the nearest therapist.

You're misremembering, Shemp.  *You* go back and look.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Malls centers ARE kooky and selling Maharishi honey, candy 
 bars, 
soap, etc. is kooky cubed.
   
   Why? It brings in money, does it not?
  
  This is pretty hilarious.  On the one hand we've got
  the conservative greed-is-good capitalist arguing 
  that these business ideas are kooky and out of place
  in an organization that should be focusing on teach-
  ing meditation to as many people as possible.  On the
  other we've got the liberal saying that anything that
  brings in money is good for the movement.  Go figure.  :-)
 
 The above was obviously tongue in cheek, but
 there is a question I've been wanting to ask
 sparaig for a while.  You seem to be consistently
 in favor of anything that brings in money so
 that the organization can survive into the future.
 Is that a correct assessment?
 
 My question is, Survive as what?

Survive as whatever. THe TMO's focus right now is on raising capital, 
allegedly for the projects that MMY has stated its for. YOu can say 
he's lying, but that's an interesting claim, since most men his age 
are interested in creating a legacy, and you're apparently claiming 
that his legacy will simply be liar.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In light of the two letters to the editor that Rick Archer 
 reproduced for us -- and which I found were of the Fundamentalist 
 Christian ilk wrapped in TM cultspeak -- I am ready to predict what 
 the next direction the Movement will take.
 
 In the last of the two letters, the writer relates that he got into 
 a discussion with a prostelytizer at the door (sect and religion 
 not mentioned). And it struck me and others on this forum how very 
 similar both the door knocker and the letter writer -- the TMer -- 
 were.  
 
 Then it came to me that it would be only natural that MMY require 
 all that are recertified to spend 3 hours each day going door-to-
 door spreading the world of TM.
 
 Heck, the Mormons do it; the Jehovah's Witnesses do it; Girl Scouts 
 do it (aren't those chocolate-coconut cookies the best? 
 http://www.girlscoutcookiesabc.com/atc/Caramel_deLites.asp)...so 
 why not TMers?
 
 If the kooky idea of malls was breached and taken seriously by the 
 TM powers that be, knocking on doors is not too much of a stretch, 
 eh?  And, hey, once it's pointed out to MMY that there's no cost 
 per square foot to do door-to-door, I think it will start to have 
 an appeal!
 
 Anyone want to take any bets that this will happen?

The real secret of the girl scout cookie drive
success is that it's a contest -- the girls are
earning college money for selling the most cookies, 
that sorta thang.  So to really make it a success, 
you'd have to come up with some sort of TM contest.

Maybe the poor recerts could earn their way to
Raja status.  Bring in 108 new initiates and 
earn your robe!  Bring in 300 and get the crown
that goes with it.  






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Malls centers ARE kooky and selling Maharishi honey, candy bars, 
  soap, etc. is kooky cubed.
 
 Why? It brings in money, does it not?

This is pretty hilarious.  On the one hand we've got
the conservative greed-is-good capitalist arguing 
that these business ideas are kooky and out of place
in an organization that should be focusing on teach-
ing meditation to as many people as possible.  On the
other we've got the liberal saying that anything that
brings in money is good for the movement.  Go figure.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], shempmcgurk 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   Malls centers ARE kooky and selling Maharishi honey, candy 
bars, 
   soap, etc. is kooky cubed.
  
  Why? It brings in money, does it not?
 
 This is pretty hilarious.  On the one hand we've got
 the conservative greed-is-good capitalist arguing 
 that these business ideas are kooky and out of place
 in an organization that should be focusing on teach-
 ing meditation to as many people as possible.  On the
 other we've got the liberal saying that anything that
 brings in money is good for the movement.  Go figure.  :-)

The above was obviously tongue in cheek, but
there is a question I've been wanting to ask
sparaig for a while.  You seem to be consistently
in favor of anything that brings in money so
that the organization can survive into the future.
Is that a correct assessment?

My question is, Survive as what?

The Catholic Church has survived for a long time.
As an organization that no longer offers any
technique or method by which followers can be
like the supposed founder of the organization 
(Christ) or achieve any of the things he lived
on a daily basis.  In fact, all of the dogma
even *suggesting* that followers could ever be
on the same level as Christ has been carefully
purged and eliminated.

It's an organization whose major goal can be 
accurately viewed in terms of history as self
preservation.  The primary goal of the Catholic
Church IS the preservation and continuation of
the Catholic Church.  Always has been.

In my opinion, that's where the TMO is headed.
They've *already* all but eliminated the teach-
ing of TM.  But they're raising money like gang-
busters to be able to continue teaching the
technique they no longer teach and seemingly
have no interest in ever teaching on a mass
scale again.  The emphasis is all on Grand 
Schemes (big buildings) and robes and crowns to 
impress the lingering rank and filers (think 
the pomp and circumstance of the costumes worn
at the Vatican).

What is is that the TMO is raising all this 
money FOR?  In your opinion, it seems to be a 
way of ensuring that this valuable rediscovery
they call TM will never be lost, and will be
made available to future generations.  However,
even in *this* generation, the organization has
done everything in its power to make sure it is
NOT available.  TM, the *foundation* of the 
church, is passé, forgotten.  It is rarely 
even *discussed* in the TMO any more, as far as 
I can tell, much less taught.

I think the TM organization is already caught in
self perpetuation mode.  They want to keep on
keepin' on forever, and need more and more money
TO keep on keepin' on forever.  But they have
forgotten WHY they wanted to keep on keepin' on
in the first place.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
  eh?  And, hey, once it's pointed out to MMY that there's no cost 
  per square foot to do door-to-door, I think it will start to have 
  an appeal!
  
  Anyone want to take any bets that this will happen?
 
 The real secret of the girl scout cookie drive
 success is that it's a contest -- the girls are
 earning college money for selling the most cookies, 
 that sorta thang.

Actually not.  They get patches and pins,
no monetary awards.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 snip
   eh?  And, hey, once it's pointed out to MMY that there's no 
   cost per square foot to do door-to-door, I think it will start 
   to have an appeal!
   
   Anyone want to take any bets that this will happen?
  
  The real secret of the girl scout cookie drive
  success is that it's a contest -- the girls are
  earning college money for selling the most cookies, 
  that sorta thang.
 
 Actually not.  They get patches and pins,
 no monetary awards.

Mea culpa if I mistook what has definitely been a local
policy, possibly sponsored by local Girl Scout supporters,
for the national one.  But there have actually been articles
in newspapers where I've lived over the years about the
Girl Scout who won the contest and got a scholarship, so
the policy does exist at least in some places.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  snip
eh?  And, hey, once it's pointed out to MMY that there's no 
cost per square foot to do door-to-door, I think it will
start to have an appeal!

Anyone want to take any bets that this will happen?
   
   The real secret of the girl scout cookie drive
   success is that it's a contest -- the girls are
   earning college money for selling the most cookies, 
   that sorta thang.
  
  Actually not.  They get patches and pins,
  no monetary awards.
 
 Mea culpa if I mistook what has definitely been a local
 policy, possibly sponsored by local Girl Scout supporters,
 for the national one.  But there have actually been articles
 in newspapers where I've lived over the years about the
 Girl Scout who won the contest and got a scholarship, so
 the policy does exist at least in some places.

Yeah, there could be local contests funded by local
supporters, but the only Girl Scout-specific policy
involved would be that of allowing them to take place.

The whole idea of the Girl Scouts (and Boy Scouts) is
mastering skills for your own satisfaction and future
benefit in life; that's why the only official awards
are the patches and pins.  They make a big deal about
what can be learned from participating in the cookie
program--teamwork, how to handle money, keep records,
do market research, construct a sales pitch, and so on.
There's a whole curriculum involved.

And the local Scout troops design their own selling
programs, deciding how much to charge for the cookies,
which ones to order from which supplier, how much 
of the proceeds will be turned back to the national
organization and how much will be kept to fund local
Girl Scout projects.

Wouldn't be a bad model at all for the TMO, come to
think of it.

(They do need to get rid of the trans-fats in the
cookies, though.)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread sallysunshine01
Impossible, since only GS s in their elementary years are allowed to
sell.  GSs join mainly 
for those early years--by the time they're in HS  most have long
since moved on. The few 
that stay do so mostly to help out the younger troops.  And the GS
policies are the same 
all over the country. There are no speical regional rules.


Sal

 Mea culpa if I mistook what has definitely been a local
 policy, possibly sponsored by local Girl Scout supporters,
 for the national one.  But there have actually been articles
 in newspapers where I've lived over the years about the
 Girl Scout who won the contest and got a scholarship, so
 the policy does exist at least in some places.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
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 Impossible, since only GS s in their elementary years are allowed 
to
 sell.  GSs join mainly 
 for those early years--by the time they're in HS  most have long
 since moved on. The few 
 that stay do so mostly to help out the younger troops.  And the GS
 policies are the same 
 all over the country. There are no speical regional rules.

Tell that to the reporters who wrote the articles
I've seen over the years, in more than one town.
As I remember, the amounts of the scholarships were 
pretty low ($1000 or so), to be put in trust for the
kid until she reached college age.

As seems to need to be said often on this forum,
just 'cause you've never seen something doesn't mean 
it's impossible, only that you haven't seen it. 

Heck, it may even be *against* official Girl Scout
policy for all I know...I wasn't ever one.  The 
closest I ever got was at summer camp once, where
we had the Boy Scout camp on one side of the lake
and the Girl Scout camp on the other side.  One of
the only merit badges I ever earned was for swimming.  :-)

Unc

  Mea culpa if I mistook what has definitely been a local
  policy, possibly sponsored by local Girl Scout supporters,
  for the national one.  But there have actually been articles
  in newspapers where I've lived over the years about the
  Girl Scout who won the contest and got a scholarship, so
  the policy does exist at least in some places.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Impossible, since only GS s in their elementary years are allowed to
 sell.

These days, accumulating money for college
can start very early, sometimes even from
birth, because the cost of a college education
is so high.  It's by no means impossible that 
scholarship money would be a big incentive for
(at least the parents of) elementary-age 
Girl Scouts, especially since even a small 
amount invested at the time would grow
significantly by the time the child was ready
for college.

Also, of course, an excellent way for a local
business to get publicity.  And if the girls
are hotly competing for the scholarship money,
it's good for both the local troop and the
national organization because more cookies will
be sold.  I seriously doubt the Girl Scout
organization would be unwilling to permit such
offers to be made.  But they *would* be local,
and none of the money would come from the 
organization, either local or national.





  GSs join mainly 
 for those early years--by the time they're in HS  most have long
 since moved on. The few 
 that stay do so mostly to help out the younger troops.  And the GS
 policies are the same 
 all over the country. There are no speical regional rules.
 
 
 Sal
 
  Mea culpa if I mistook what has definitely been a local
  policy, possibly sponsored by local Girl Scout supporters,
  for the national one.  But there have actually been articles
  in newspapers where I've lived over the years about the
  Girl Scout who won the contest and got a scholarship, so
  the policy does exist at least in some places.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread sallysunshine01
Links?


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wrote:
 Tell that to the reporters who wrote the articles
 I've seen over the years, in more than one town.
 As I remember, the amounts of the scholarships were 
 pretty low ($1000 or so), to be put in trust for the
 kid until she reached college age.
 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Links?

Are you kidding?  I can barely remember the *names*
of all the towns I've lived (over 50 at this point),
much less the names of their newspapers, much less
which towns I was in when I saw these things.  You
guys who have more settled lives might be able to
remember such things, but not I.  :-)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Tell that to the reporters who wrote the articles
  I've seen over the years, in more than one town.
  As I remember, the amounts of the scholarships were 
  pretty low ($1000 or so), to be put in trust for the
  kid until she reached college age.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Links?
 
 Are you kidding?  I can barely remember the *names*
 of all the towns I've lived (over 50 at this point),
 much less the names of their newspapers, much less
 which towns I was in when I saw these things.  You
 guys who have more settled lives might be able to
 remember such things, but not I.  :-)

The above is still true, but because this seems to 
mean so much to you, I Googled girl scout cookies 
plus scholarship and got 6690 page hits.  If you
have a serious Need To Know thang going down, you
could do the same thing. 

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   Tell that to the reporters who wrote the articles
   I've seen over the years, in more than one town.
   As I remember, the amounts of the scholarships were 
   pretty low ($1000 or so), to be put in trust for the
   kid until she reached college age.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Links?
  
  Are you kidding?  I can barely remember the *names*
  of all the towns I've lived (over 50 at this point),
  much less the names of their newspapers, much less
  which towns I was in when I saw these things.  You
  guys who have more settled lives might be able to
  remember such things, but not I.  :-)
 
 The above is still true, but because this seems to 
 mean so much to you, I Googled girl scout cookies 
 plus scholarship and got 6690 page hits.  If you
 have a serious Need To Know thang going down, you
 could do the same thing.

Sorry, but I spot-checked, and there wasn't one
college scholarship offered for selling the most
Girl Scout cookies.

The Girl Scouts *do* have scholarship programs, but
they aren't for selling the most cookies; and they're
for a variety of things besides college, including
summer Scout camp tuition or Scout membership fees for
those who can't afford them.

The pages that have the words Girl Scout cookies
and scholarship on them don't necessarily connect
the two, of course.  None of those I checked did, 
in fact.

It's possible your memory has conflated articles
about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
two.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread shempmcgurk
Yeah, I want links.

Let's get to the bottom of this horrible Girl Scout cookie controversy.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
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 Links?
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Tell that to the reporters who wrote the articles
  I've seen over the years, in more than one town.
  As I remember, the amounts of the scholarships were 
  pretty low ($1000 or so), to be put in trust for the
  kid until she reached college age.
 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Links?
   
   Are you kidding?  I can barely remember the *names*
   of all the towns I've lived (over 50 at this point),
   much less the names of their newspapers, much less
   which towns I was in when I saw these things.  You
   guys who have more settled lives might be able to
   remember such things, but not I.  :-)
  
  The above is still true, but because this seems to 
  mean so much to you, I Googled girl scout cookies 
  plus scholarship and got 6690 page hits.  If you
  have a serious Need To Know thang going down, you
  could do the same thing.
 
 Sorry, but I spot-checked, and there wasn't one
 college scholarship offered for selling the most
 Girl Scout cookies.
 
 The Girl Scouts *do* have scholarship programs, but
 they aren't for selling the most cookies; and they're
 for a variety of things besides college, including
 summer Scout camp tuition or Scout membership fees for
 those who can't afford them.
 
 The pages that have the words Girl Scout cookies
 and scholarship on them don't necessarily connect
 the two, of course.  None of those I checked did, 
 in fact.
 
 It's possible your memory has conflated articles
 about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
 the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
 the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
 mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
 two.

And, given your history of wanting to prove me
wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Yeah, I want links.
 
 Let's get to the bottom of this horrible Girl Scout cookie 
 controversy.

The real question about Girl Scout cookies was 
raised in one of the Addams Family movies:
Are they made from real Girl Scouts?  :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Links?

Are you kidding?  I can barely remember the *names*
of all the towns I've lived (over 50 at this point),
much less the names of their newspapers, much less
which towns I was in when I saw these things.  You
guys who have more settled lives might be able to
remember such things, but not I.  :-)
   
   The above is still true, but because this seems to 
   mean so much to you, I Googled girl scout cookies 
   plus scholarship and got 6690 page hits.  If you
   have a serious Need To Know thang going down, you
   could do the same thing.
  
  Sorry, but I spot-checked, and there wasn't one
  college scholarship offered for selling the most
  Girl Scout cookies.
  
  The Girl Scouts *do* have scholarship programs, but
  they aren't for selling the most cookies; and they're
  for a variety of things besides college, including
  summer Scout camp tuition or Scout membership fees for
  those who can't afford them.
  
  The pages that have the words Girl Scout cookies
  and scholarship on them don't necessarily connect
  the two, of course.  None of those I checked did, 
  in fact.
  
  It's possible your memory has conflated articles
  about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
  the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
  the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
  mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
  two.
 
 And, given your history of wanting to prove me
 wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
 tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
 dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
 6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
 me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)

Actually, no, you made the claim, then supplied
the purported documentation as proof of that
claim, so you get to find the right ones if
you want them found.

You should have simply stuck with saying what you
remembered instead of citing a misleading Google
search as though it validated your memory.  You've
done enough Google searches to know they don't
always turn up what you think they're going to 
turn up.

The idea that a search on Girl Scout cookies plus
scholarship would yield only items about college
scholarships awarded for selling the most Girl Scout
cookies was absurd on its face, and you knew that.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread Jeff Fischer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 And, given your history of wanting to prove me
 wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
 tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
 dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
 6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
 me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)

Unc, you might want to choose from the following Yogi Berra quotes:

I wish I had an answer to that because I'm tired of answering that 
question.

I never said most of the things I said.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Links?

Are you kidding?  I can barely remember the *names*
of all the towns I've lived (over 50 at this point),
much less the names of their newspapers, much less
which towns I was in when I saw these things.  You
guys who have more settled lives might be able to
remember such things, but not I.  :-)
   
   The above is still true, but because this seems to 
   mean so much to you, I Googled girl scout cookies 
   plus scholarship and got 6690 page hits.  If you
   have a serious Need To Know thang going down, you
   could do the same thing.
  
  Sorry, but I spot-checked, and there wasn't one
  college scholarship offered for selling the most
  Girl Scout cookies.
  
  The Girl Scouts *do* have scholarship programs, but
  they aren't for selling the most cookies; and they're
  for a variety of things besides college, including
  summer Scout camp tuition or Scout membership fees for
  those who can't afford them.
  
  The pages that have the words Girl Scout cookies
  and scholarship on them don't necessarily connect
  the two, of course.  None of those I checked did, 
  in fact.
  
  It's possible your memory has conflated articles
  about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
  the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
  the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
  mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
  two.
 
 And, given your history of wanting to prove me
 wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
 tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
 dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
 6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
 me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)


Ha Ha Ha Ha!

And only come back here once you'd read all 6690 of them -- twice -- 
and done a 3,000 word book report on each.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Links?
 
 Are you kidding?  I can barely remember the *names*
 of all the towns I've lived (over 50 at this point),
 much less the names of their newspapers, much less
 which towns I was in when I saw these things.  You
 guys who have more settled lives might be able to
 remember such things, but not I.  :-)

The above is still true, but because this seems to 
mean so much to you, I Googled girl scout cookies 
plus scholarship and got 6690 page hits.  If you
have a serious Need To Know thang going down, you
could do the same thing.
   
   Sorry, but I spot-checked, and there wasn't one
   college scholarship offered for selling the most
   Girl Scout cookies.
   
   The Girl Scouts *do* have scholarship programs, but
   they aren't for selling the most cookies; and they're
   for a variety of things besides college, including
   summer Scout camp tuition or Scout membership fees for
   those who can't afford them.
   
   The pages that have the words Girl Scout cookies
   and scholarship on them don't necessarily connect
   the two, of course.  None of those I checked did, 
   in fact.
   
   It's possible your memory has conflated articles
   about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
   the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
   the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
   mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
   two.
  
  And, given your history of wanting to prove me
  wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
  tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
  dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
  6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
  me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)
 
 Actually, no, you made the claim, then supplied
 the purported documentation as proof of that
 claim, so you get to find the right ones if
 you want them found.
 
 You should have simply stuck with saying what you
 remembered instead of citing a misleading Google
 search as though it validated your memory.  You've
 done enough Google searches to know they don't
 always turn up what you think they're going to 
 turn up.
 
 The idea that a search on Girl Scout cookies plus
 scholarship would yield only items about college
 scholarships awarded for selling the most Girl Scout
 cookies was absurd on its face, and you knew that.


Judy, you forgot the but of course as in but of course you knew 
that.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 8/22/05 3:51 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  The idea that a search on Girl Scout cookies plus
  scholarship would yield only items about college
  scholarships awarded for selling the most Girl Scout
  cookies was absurd on its face, and you knew that.
  
  
  Judy, you forgot the but of course as in but of course you 
knew
  that.
  
 Should I add Girl Scout Cookies to the site description as one 
of the
 things we've discussed recently? I got a chuckle over the fact 
that Barry
 and Judy managed to get into an argument over them.


They'll argue over whether the sky is blue if you give them the 
opportunity.

They are the quintessential you say tomato I say to-mah-to 
couple...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
  Should I add Girl Scout Cookies to the site description as one 
 of the
  things we've discussed recently? I got a chuckle over the fact 
 that Barry
  and Judy managed to get into an argument over them.
 
 
 They'll argue over whether the sky is blue if you give them the 
 opportunity.
 
 They are the quintessential you say tomato I say to-mah-to 
 couple...

You're not very observant.

To start with, I corrected Barry on a minor factual
point, which he was, wisely, willing to concede.  No
argument there.

But then someone *else* challenged him to provide
links to the newspaper stories he claims to remember,
and anxious to defend his honor, he trotted out a lame
Google search as evidence.

I pointed out that the search didn't show what he
claimed it showed--and he attacked me for doing so.

If you look, you might find that an awful lot of
our arguments are started by Barry, not by me.

As I said, he should have stuck with what he
remembered.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread sallysunshine01
Adn given your history of wanting to personalize everything, it's not surprsing 
your would 
respond defensively. I checked out several sites also. Not one had any 
scholarship based 
on selling cookies.  

It's up to you to prove your assertion, not someone else.  Either your memories 
are faulty 
or , more likely, the articles don't exist.

Sal


 
 And, given your history of wanting to prove me
 wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
 tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
 dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
 6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
 me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 snip
   Should I add Girl Scout Cookies to the site description as 
one 
  of the
   things we've discussed recently? I got a chuckle over the fact 
  that Barry
   and Judy managed to get into an argument over them.
  
  
  They'll argue over whether the sky is blue if you give them the 
  opportunity.
  
  They are the quintessential you say tomato I say to-mah-to 
  couple...
 
 You're not very observant.
 
 To start with, I corrected Barry on a minor factual
 point, which he was, wisely, willing to concede.  No
 argument there.
 
 But then someone *else* challenged him to provide
 links to the newspaper stories he claims to remember,
 and anxious to defend his honor, he trotted out a lame
 Google search as evidence.
 
 I pointed out that the search didn't show what he
 claimed it showed--and he attacked me for doing so.


Why point out anything at this point, then, if you don't want to be 
at his alleged low level of existence?  What prompts you to get 
involved?  Don't you have better things to do with your time?

Go to the boardwalk (aren't you in Atlantic City?).  Go to one of 
the casinos and give Mr. Trump some of your money or something.


 
 If you look, you might find that an awful lot of
 our arguments are started by Barry, not by me.



For God's sake, woman, we're talking about GIRL SCOUT COOKIES

Get a life...



 
 As I said, he should have stuck with what he
 remembered.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  snip
Should I add Girl Scout Cookies to the site description as 
 one 
   of the
things we've discussed recently? I got a chuckle over the 
fact 
   that Barry
and Judy managed to get into an argument over them.
   
   They'll argue over whether the sky is blue if you give them the 
   opportunity.
   
   They are the quintessential you say tomato I say to-mah-to 
   couple...
  
  You're not very observant.
  
  To start with, I corrected Barry on a minor factual
  point, which he was, wisely, willing to concede.  No
  argument there.
  
  But then someone *else* challenged him to provide
  links to the newspaper stories he claims to remember,
  and anxious to defend his honor, he trotted out a lame
  Google search as evidence.
  
  I pointed out that the search didn't show what he
  claimed it showed--and he attacked me for doing so.
 
 Why point out anything at this point, then, if you don't want to be 
 at his alleged low level of existence?  What prompts you to get 
 involved?

Huh?

I like facts.  Live with it.

(As much as it may be contrary to your--and
Barry's--inclinations.)

 Don't you have better things to do with your time?

Not in the five-minute increments I have for taking
breaks while I'm working.

 Go to the boardwalk (aren't you in Atlantic City?).

No, I'm not in Atlantic City.

  Go to one of 
 the casinos and give Mr. Trump some of your money or something.

  If you look, you might find that an awful lot of
  our arguments are started by Barry, not by me.
 
 For God's sake, woman, we're talking about GIRL SCOUT COOKIES

Non sequitur.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-21 Thread jyouells2000
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  In light of the two letters to the editor that Rick
  Archer 
  reproduced for us -- and which I found were of the
  Fundamentalist 
  Christian ilk wrapped in TM cultspeak -- I am ready
  to predict what 
  the next direction the Movement will take.
  
  In the last of the two letters, the writer relates
  that he got into 
  a discussion with a prostelytizer at the door (sect
  and religion not 
  mentioned). And it struck me and others on this
  forum how very 
  similar both the door knocker and the letter writer
  -- the TMer -- 
  were.  
  
  Then it came to me that it would be only natural
  that MMY require 
  all that are recertified to spend 3 hours each day
  going door-to-
  door spreading the world of TM.
  
  Heck, the Mormons do it; the Jehovah's Witnesses do
  it; Girl Scouts 
  do it (aren't those chocolate-coconut cookies the
  best? 
 
 http://www.girlscoutcookiesabc.com/atc/Caramel_deLites.asp)...so
  why 
  not TMers?
  
  If the kooky idea of malls was breached and taken
  seriously by the 
  TM powers that be, knocking on doors is not too much
  of a stretch, 
  eh?  And, hey, once it's pointed out to MMY that
  there's no cost per 
  square foot to do door-to-door, I think it will
  start to have an 
  appeal!
  
  Anyone want to take any bets that this will happen?
 
 I'll wait for the pundits to arrive before I start.
 

Have the pundits and the Raja's do it :-) 
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-21 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In light of the two letters to the editor that Rick Archer 
  reproduced for us -- and which I found were of the 
Fundamentalist 
  Christian ilk wrapped in TM cultspeak -- I am ready to predict 
what 
  the next direction the Movement will take.
  
  In the last of the two letters, the writer relates that he got 
into 
  a discussion with a prostelytizer at the door (sect and religion 
 not 
  mentioned). And it struck me and others on this forum how very 
  similar both the door knocker and the letter writer -- the TMer -
- 
  were.  
  
  Then it came to me that it would be only natural that MMY 
require 
  all that are recertified to spend 3 hours each day going door-to-
  door spreading the world of TM.
  
  Heck, the Mormons do it; the Jehovah's Witnesses do it; Girl 
Scouts 
  do it (aren't those chocolate-coconut cookies the best? 
  http://www.girlscoutcookiesabc.com/atc/Caramel_deLites.asp)...so 
 why 
  not TMers?
  
  If the kooky idea of malls was breached and taken seriously by 
the 
  TM powers that be, knocking on doors is not too much of a 
stretch, 
  eh?  And, hey, once it's pointed out to MMY that there's no cost 
 per 
  square foot to do door-to-door, I think it will start to have an 
  appeal!
  
  Anyone want to take any bets that this will happen?
 
 Maybe, maybe not.
 
 BTW, mall centers aren't at all kooky. They're the craze right 
now. 
 You have yogo, chinese, etc., centers and walk-in plastic surgury 
 clinics all over the place. We even have them in Tucson, but the 
 overhead is likely too high for the profit-margins that the TMO 
wants.

Malls centers ARE kooky and selling Maharishi honey, candy bars, 
soap, etc. is kooky cubed.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-21 Thread sparaig
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], shempmcgurk 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   In light of the two letters to the editor that Rick Archer 
   reproduced for us -- and which I found were of the 
 Fundamentalist 
   Christian ilk wrapped in TM cultspeak -- I am ready to predict 
 what 
   the next direction the Movement will take.
   
   In the last of the two letters, the writer relates that he got 
 into 
   a discussion with a prostelytizer at the door (sect and 
religion 
  not 
   mentioned). And it struck me and others on this forum how very 
   similar both the door knocker and the letter writer -- the 
TMer -
 - 
   were.  
   
   Then it came to me that it would be only natural that MMY 
 require 
   all that are recertified to spend 3 hours each day going door-
to-
   door spreading the world of TM.
   
   Heck, the Mormons do it; the Jehovah's Witnesses do it; Girl 
 Scouts 
   do it (aren't those chocolate-coconut cookies the best? 
   
http://www.girlscoutcookiesabc.com/atc/Caramel_deLites.asp)...so 
  why 
   not TMers?
   
   If the kooky idea of malls was breached and taken seriously by 
 the 
   TM powers that be, knocking on doors is not too much of a 
 stretch, 
   eh?  And, hey, once it's pointed out to MMY that there's no 
cost 
  per 
   square foot to do door-to-door, I think it will start to have 
an 
   appeal!
   
   Anyone want to take any bets that this will happen?
  
  Maybe, maybe not.
  
  BTW, mall centers aren't at all kooky. They're the craze right 
 now. 
  You have yogo, chinese, etc., centers and walk-in plastic surgury 
  clinics all over the place. We even have them in Tucson, but the 
  overhead is likely too high for the profit-margins that the TMO 
 wants.
 
 Malls centers ARE kooky and selling Maharishi honey, candy bars, 
 soap, etc. is kooky cubed.

Why? It brings in money, does it not? 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-21 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], shempmcgurk 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In light of the two letters to the editor that Rick Archer 
reproduced for us -- and which I found were of the 
  Fundamentalist 
Christian ilk wrapped in TM cultspeak -- I am ready to 
predict 
  what 
the next direction the Movement will take.

In the last of the two letters, the writer relates that he 
got 
  into 
a discussion with a prostelytizer at the door (sect and 
 religion 
   not 
mentioned). And it struck me and others on this forum how 
very 
similar both the door knocker and the letter writer -- the 
 TMer -
  - 
were.  

Then it came to me that it would be only natural that MMY 
  require 
all that are recertified to spend 3 hours each day going 
door-
 to-
door spreading the world of TM.

Heck, the Mormons do it; the Jehovah's Witnesses do it; Girl 
  Scouts 
do it (aren't those chocolate-coconut cookies the best? 

 http://www.girlscoutcookiesabc.com/atc/Caramel_deLites.asp)...so 
   why 
not TMers?

If the kooky idea of malls was breached and taken seriously 
by 
  the 
TM powers that be, knocking on doors is not too much of a 
  stretch, 
eh?  And, hey, once it's pointed out to MMY that there's no 
 cost 
   per 
square foot to do door-to-door, I think it will start to 
have 
 an 
appeal!

Anyone want to take any bets that this will happen?
   
   Maybe, maybe not.
   
   BTW, mall centers aren't at all kooky. They're the craze right 
  now. 
   You have yogo, chinese, etc., centers and walk-in plastic 
surgury 
   clinics all over the place. We even have them in Tucson, but 
the 
   overhead is likely too high for the profit-margins that the 
TMO 
  wants.
  
  Malls centers ARE kooky and selling Maharishi honey, candy bars, 
  soap, etc. is kooky cubed.
 
 Why? It brings in money, does it not?

Can you spell D-I-G-N-I-T-Y ?





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