[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiet time as it manifested at MSAE when I taught there

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Not many times, but enough, I was a substitute teacher at MSAE, and I never 
> had a classroom do group meditation in any manner that even remotely looks 
> like "quiet time."
> 
> I don't know if they've finally "fixed this" at MSAE, but when I was there, 
> kids would be fucking off all during group meditation -- to the point of 
> laughing aloud, never closing their eyes, tossing notes to each other, 
> speaking to each other, and being haughty about it when I made eye contact 
> with them to "brow beat them into closing their eyes."
> 
> Yeah, I was the substitute and kids like to misbehave when a sub is there, 
> but, still, if that's how they act when "no one important is looking," then 
> that's a strong measurement of MSAE's inability to inculcate a reverence for 
> TM...or that a reverence naturally bubbles up eventually in the kids.  And 
> don't miss that all the rich folks never send their kids to MUM for college.
> 
> In the public schools, believe me, any TM teacher is going to be a substitute 
> to them, and quiet time will be only as quiet as you can get a room with 
> twenty spitballs whizzing constantly.
> 
> It'll be war.
> 

You may have a point, but in fact, it iss the local school teachers conducting
the quiet time as far as I know, and part of the "contract" to attend is that 
the kids
be quiet during that time. 

L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiet time as it manifested at MSAE when I taught there

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Not many times, but enough, I was a substitute teacher at MSAE, and I
never had a classroom do group meditation in any manner that even
remotely looks like "quiet time."
>
> I don't know if they've finally "fixed this" at MSAE, but when I was
there, kids would be fucking off all during group meditation -- to the
point of laughing aloud, never closing their eyes, tossing notes to each
other, speaking to each other, and being haughty about it when I made
eye contact with them to "brow beat them into closing their eyes.">>


It sounds like teaching is not your dharma. I substitute taught in
public schools (midldle and high school) and at MSAE. I almost never had
any kid disrupt the class in any significant way. The old cliche about
kids getting carzy with substitute teachers just did not appply in my
case. I was kindof surprised by that in the beginning, but then it kept
happening in different schools in different parts of the country. The
MSAE kids were just as well behaved as the public school kids with the
wide range of diverse personlalities that I love so much about teaching.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiet time as it manifested at MSAE when I taught there

[Duveyoung]

off_world_beings wrote:
> It sounds like teaching is not your dharma. 

Off,

I have degrees in Education from Wayne State University, and University of 
California.

I went to over ten jyotishis that proclaimed my dharma was teaching and 
preaching.

I'm inclined to feel validated by the above.  Not that it's a gimme.

Glad that you had kids who didn't act out.  Lucky you, sez me.

I taught school in inner city Detroit, in rich suburbs, at MSAE, and I taught 
individual children in the TM center.  I had knives pulled on me, had parents 
as disconnected as zombies, had smarmy high-hatting parents, had everything 
across the spectrum, and I'm here to tell you that kids in general will not be 
able to pull off quiet time for any longer than the MSAE kids.  The MSAE kids 
have all the support from parents and community and all the dogma being pumped 
into them, and yet, look at my experiences with them.  What can we expect from 
non-brainwashed kids?

How many weeks of quiet time will it take for the average kid to chuck it for 
lack of obvious results?  Not much time at all IMO.

In fact, any kid who participates will run the risk of being called "mental" by 
the typical shithead miscreant kids that all schools must endure.

Of the 2,000 people I taught, I often saw folks who paid good money for TM 
instruction quit within a week and never even come back for their 10 day 
checking even.  All the persons I taught for free (not many but some who were 
in deep poverty) gave up TM -- if anything -- even sooner.  So much for 
gratitude, eh?

Charlie Lutes always made fun of those who thought that they would run away and 
just meditate in a cave somewhere.  Why?  Charlie said: "There has to be 
something that keeps you in the cave."

Kids are not going to easily find "that something" that is necessary to keep 
them inside their "cave minds."  The ones that do resonate with the quiet time 
will be precious, but not plentiful.

Edg


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > Not many times, but enough, I was a substitute teacher at MSAE, and I
> never had a classroom do group meditation in any manner that even
> remotely looks like "quiet time."
> >
> > I don't know if they've finally "fixed this" at MSAE, but when I was
> there, kids would be fucking off all during group meditation -- to the
> point of laughing aloud, never closing their eyes, tossing notes to each
> other, speaking to each other, and being haughty about it when I made
> eye contact with them to "brow beat them into closing their eyes.">>
> 
> 
> It sounds like teaching is not your dharma. I substitute taught in
> public schools (midldle and high school) and at MSAE. I almost never had
> any kid disrupt the class in any significant way. The old cliche about
> kids getting carzy with substitute teachers just did not appply in my
> case. I was kindof surprised by that in the beginning, but then it kept
> happening in different schools in different parts of the country. The
> MSAE kids were just as well behaved as the public school kids with the
> wide range of diverse personlalities that I love so much about teaching.
> 
> OffWorld
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiet time as it manifested at MSAE when I taught there

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> off_world_beings wrote:
> > It sounds like teaching is not your dharma.
>
> Off,
>
> I have degrees in Education from Wayne State University, and
University of California.
>
> I went to over ten jyotishis that proclaimed my dharma was teaching
and preaching.>>

Jyotish is fickle.


> I'm inclined to feel validated by the above.  Not that it's a gimme.
>
> Glad that you had kids who didn't act out.  Lucky you, sez me.
>
> I taught school in inner city Detroit, in rich suburbs, at MSAE, and I
taught individual children in the TM center.  I had knives pulled on me,
had parents as disconnected as zombies, had smarmy high-hatting parents,
had everything across the spectrum>>

Sounds like you have bad karma when it comes to teaching (even if it is
your dharma.)

> How many weeks of quiet time will it take for the average kid to chuck
it for lack of obvious results?  Not much time at all IMO.>>

Your opinion is not in question here. Opinions cannot be questioned,
because that is all they are -- opinions. That's the whole point of
opinions, you can say whatever you want.  All that is in question is --
is your opinion considered valid scientific analysis?... and firstly,
the answer to that is "no", whilst secondly, your opinion is at odds
with the published research.

>
> In fact, any kid who participates will run the risk of being called
"mental" by the typical shithead miscreant kids that all schools must
endure.>

Any kid runs the risk ofbeing called "mental" by the typical shithead
miscreant kids that all schools must endure -- for almost any reason.

Your point actually suggests your lack of understanding of schooling and
kids in general. Kids are called all sorts of things for all sorts of
reasons - but, if the kid is stronger inside, it will not matter as
much. Kids are smarter than you think.

>
> Of the 2,000 people I taught, I often saw folks who paid good money
for TM instruction quit within a week and never even come back for their
10 day checking even.  All the persons I taught for free (not many but
some who were in deep poverty) gave up TM -- if anything -- even sooner.
So much for gratitude, eh?>>

And David Lynch, Richard Baranson, Paul McCartney, Gerry Seinfeld,
George Harrison, and MANY people I have met, have continued to meditate
for decades without hardly being involved with the movement.

I had a tennant and co-worker last year, who was my tennant, co-worker,
and friend, many months before I found out he had been TM-meditating for
30 years.

Your anecdotal 'statistics' are bum.

>
> Charlie Lutes always made fun of those who thought that they would run
away and just meditate in a cave somewhere.  Why?  Charlie said: "There
has to be something that keeps you in the cave.">>

Who cares about caves?  -- No-one.

>
> Kids are not going to easily find "that something" that is necessary
to keep them inside their "cave minds."  The ones that do resonate with
the quiet time will be precious, but not plentiful.>>

Then you make the massive and uncertain, but palusible, assumption, that
there is no (zero) rise in consciousness in the world (by whatever
source) -- which I think is not only an irrational assumption, but in
addition, the alternative is HELL on Earth, in which case -- good luck
wit' that. Rise in consciousness is fueling this endeavor and the kids
and adults that learn today, ARE NOT the species that learned yesterday.

This IS the transition phase.

OffWorld


>
> Edg
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , off_world_beings 
wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

> >  > , Duveyoung  wrote:
> > >
> > > Not many times, but enough, I was a substitute teacher at MSAE,
and I
> > never had a classroom do group meditation in any manner that even
> > remotely looks like "quiet time."
> > >
> > > I don't know if they've finally "fixed this" at MSAE, but when I
was
> > there, kids would be fucking off all during group meditation -- to
the
> > point of laughing aloud, never closing their eyes, tossing notes to
each
> > other, speaking to each other, and being haughty about it when I
made
> > eye contact with them to "brow beat them into closing their eyes.">>
> >
> >
> > It sounds like teaching is not your dharma. I substitute taught in
> > public schools (midldle and high school) and at MSAE. I almost never
had
> > any kid disrupt the class in any significant way. The old cliche
about
> > kids getting carzy with substitute teachers just did not appply in
my
> > case. I was kindof surprised by that in the beginning, but then it
kept
> > happening in different schools in different parts of the country.
The
> > MSAE kids were just as well behaved as the public school kids with
the
> > wide range of diverse personlalities that I l