[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO... And whose teacher and organization refuse to allow them to teach, unless they spend several thousand dollars to be recertified at something they are already proficient in, give up their jobs, and agree to work full-time for a salary that never arrives in the mail. All of this so that they can *not* teach, because the technique is priced so high that no one sane would ever pay that much to learn it. Well, duh. If your calling is to teach meditation and the org you first signed up with actively prevents you from teaching meditation, you go where someone *will* allow you to teach. You folks who never taught meditation are sometimes awfully quick to demonize those who did, and want nothing more than to continue doing so... Dear friend, What Maharishi has done resently is a test. Just keep that desire to teach lively within you and it will be fulfilled. Jai Guru Dev You actually sound sincere (as opposed to your normal condescension), so I will reply enough to let you know that I personally have no desire to ever teach TM again. But I know that there are many who do, and are prevented from doing so by Maharishi. If he really devised his current strategy as a 'test,' fuck him. His neurotic need to know who is loyal to him is not more important than the world's need for meditation. What do you know about his motifs ? Probably nothing. It could be anything really, but my guess is that he just wanted to get rid of some undesirable dead wood. I could be wrong and, ofcourse I'm not pointing at you now :-) I'm sure those that are patient and positive will get the opportunity to teach again sometime in the future. And since much of what Maharishi is doing is impossible to understand intellectually I will not even try to predict when this could happen. It's all just part of his Lila. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
On Jun 22, 2006, at 6:28 AM, nablus108 wrote:I'm sure those that are patient and positive will get the opportunity to teach again sometime in the future.Read: in their next life. And since much of what Maharishi is doing is impossible to understand intellectually I will not even try to predict when this could happen.Read: the early stages of senile dementia can be entertaining but frustrating. Don't worry, it's just the forgetful aspect of the unified field It's all just part of his Lila. Yeah, that's the ticket. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: If he really devised his current strategy as a 'test,' fuck him. His neurotic need to know who is loyal to him is not more important than the world's need for meditation. What do you know about his motifs? Plenty. There's gold, and pink and that pansy-assed blue that isn't ballsy enough to really be called blue, and all the other pastels and other hues too washed out to be called colors that he's used in TMO publications over the years. Not a single piece of good design in the lot. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? Waay more. He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! So where's the research on his meditation technique? Maybe he's dealing with people who are content with trusting their own experiences, and who don't need to be shown no steenkin' badges (in the form of 'science') in order to believe those experiences. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. One of the comments on this sounds just like the people complaining about MMY and the TMO: ontheotherhand said... How funny that one of angriest people I've ever met (SSRS) would preach to these people on anger and irritation affecting their actions. Who better? Are you more comfortable with teachers who talk about things that they have no experience with? Celibate priests lecturing householders about sex? It seems to me that someone who has had some exper- ience with anger and its debilitating effects would be the perfect person to talk about it. As much as I appreciate the humor at Jody's site, I don't think he (?) sees the world through colorless glasses. All of his (?) rants seem pretty much the same, no matter who he is talking about. In other words, he's ranting about the things he's not comfort- able with in himself, as projected onto others. Me, I'd be happier with someone who realizes that he's just as human as anyone else, and can talk about what he's learned from doing things the stupid way. Chogyam Trungpa used to speak of his teachings as The path of fucking up. Meaning that he felt that he and his students tended to learn much more from their 'mistakes' in life than they learned from their 'successes.' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO... And whose teacher and organization refuse to allow them to teach, unless they spend several thousand dollars to be recertified at something they are already proficient in, give up their jobs, and agree to work full-time for a salary that never arrives in the mail. All of this so that they can *not* teach, because the technique is priced so high that no one sane would ever pay that much to learn it. Well, duh. If your calling is to teach meditation and the org you first signed up with actively prevents you from teaching meditation, you go where someone *will* allow you to teach. You folks who never taught meditation are sometimes awfully quick to demonize those who did, and want nothing more than to continue doing so... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! Did you know that Norah Jones is his illegitimate daughter? I'm hoping you meant that as a joke. :-) She is the daughter of the other Ravi Shankar, the musician. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see-- like him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc. The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the independent articles? This Ravi Shankar thing is mainly moodmaking; look into each others eyes and tell them you love them, hold each others hands and form a circle, blabla etcetc. The technique is far from what has been described as TM+advanced technique; it's just a simple pranayama, and Ravi is just a simple, but probably nice fellow that needs to do some serious sadhana. In a talkshow I watched in India he was asked how it felt to be a guru. He blushed intensely, denying he was a guru, the whole thing got very comical. The fellow abviously wants to be a guru, but does not have the credidentials. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 7:09:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO and he reveres MMY has his teacher? Something off here. Maybe not, he doesn't call it Transcendental Meditation. ...then we are satisfied... Basically what this means is that these TM-teachers that Ravi Shankar has enlisted are liers, pretending to represent the Holy Tradition. But what they are doing is feeding their egos and wallets. Not very different from the so-called independents. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
On Jun 20, 2006, at 9:18 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi!BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see--like him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc. The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the independent articles? India newspapers. The aerial shots were interesting--they had these huge video screens so the proceeds could be seen by more people. The stage itself was 3.5 acres!6000 / 250 = .24 % __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO... And whose teacher and organization refuse to allow them to teach, unless they spend several thousand dollars to be recertified at something they are already proficient in, give up their jobs, and agree to work full-time for a salary that never arrives in the mail. All of this so that they can *not* teach, because the technique is priced so high that no one sane would ever pay that much to learn it. Well, duh. If your calling is to teach meditation and the org you first signed up with actively prevents you from teaching meditation, you go where someone *will* allow you to teach. You folks who never taught meditation are sometimes awfully quick to demonize those who did, and want nothing more than to continue doing so... Dear friend, What Maharishi has done resently is a test. Just keep that desire to teach lively within you and it will be fulfilled. Jai Guru Dev Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
In a message dated 6/21/06 10:35:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The technique is far from what has been described as TM+advanced technique; it's just a simple pranayama, and Ravi is just a simple, but probably nice fellow that needs to do some serious sadhana. Wrong. The Sudarshana Kriya technique is the series of breathing techniques. But he also teaches what he calls Sahaja Samadhi meditation, which is the TM technique as it is taught in India, which combines what we learn in the west as TM plus one of the advanced techniques, so I'm told. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO... And whose teacher and organization refuse to allow them to teach, unless they spend several thousand dollars to be recertified at something they are already proficient in, give up their jobs, and agree to work full-time for a salary that never arrives in the mail. All of this so that they can *not* teach, because the technique is priced so high that no one sane would ever pay that much to learn it. Well, duh. If your calling is to teach meditation and the org you first signed up with actively prevents you from teaching meditation, you go where someone *will* allow you to teach. You folks who never taught meditation are sometimes awfully quick to demonize those who did, and want nothing more than to continue doing so... Dear friend, What Maharishi has done resently is a test. Just keep that desire to teach lively within you and it will be fulfilled. Jai Guru Dev You actually sound sincere (as opposed to your normal condescension), so I will reply enough to let you know that I personally have no desire to ever teach TM again. But I know that there are many who do, and are prevented from doing so by Maharishi. If he really devised his current strategy as a 'test,' fuck him. His neurotic need to know who is loyal to him is not more important than the world's need for meditation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million? on 6/21/06 7:03 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the independent articles? One of Ammas senior swamis told me that SSRS made a big show of doing a lot of tsunami disaster relief in Sri Lanka, but when Ammas crew got there to do some actual work, officials complained to them that the SSRS group had apparently just been seeking publicity, and hadnt actually done anything. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Didn't MMY once say when talking about building SV communities that they couldn't all be mansions, that even the poor people have to have a place to live? Well since MMY wants only to teach TM to the rich, I guess somebody has to be able to teach it to the poor thus we have the AOL organization. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/21/06 7:03 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the independent articles? One of Amma¹s senior swamis told me that SSRS made a big show of doing a lot of tsunami disaster relief in Sri Lanka, but when Amma¹s crew got there to do some actual work, officials complained to them that the SSRS group had apparently just been seeking publicity, and hadn¹t actually done anything. I think selfless, simple, non-PR-focussed, group service projects by any spriritually oriented group, are a great way to create word-or-mouth and good buzz about a particular program. Ironically, when I was more directly involved with AoL in the mid 90's, I used to recommend that -- instead of more direct promotion that SSRS was suggesting at that paticualar time (paraphrasing the program is the highest need of the world today, thus promoting it is the highest seva. Better to promote AoL as seva than other things). That sounded SO familiar and was part of my distncing process from AoL (Though I still think highly of SSRS as a teacher, mentor, friend and presence.) I was quite tired of the TM proselytizing ethos in the TMO, and particularly as a TM teacher. And this mid-90's directive does not seem to be universal in AoL. Since then, I have seen some community public AoL projects. And I know of some who do a lot of good NGO work in thrid world countries under auspiciouses of AoL -- but focus on the seva. And they have (had .. not sure of current status) prison program, childrens programs in India, etc. So for AoL its a mixed bag. On a spectrum, perhaps the TMO is on one end, Amma's group on the other, and AoL somewhere in the middle as far as selfless community group projects. Though I would guess even Amma's group is not perfect in this regard -- I have heard some PR-focus and oddities there too. So your comments about AoL's recent PR focuss don't surprise me. Particularly given the trend I have viewed, from afar, in the past 10 years, that AoL has more and more bliss-ninnies aka mood-maker types -- who are REALLY devoted to this highest teaching and Best Master, etc. Its about the Big Thing I am involved in and less the practice and seva. In such an environment, the ends begin to justify the means. PR trumps substance in seva projects. Its too bad. The phenomenon occurs in mainstream religions. The catholic church, and evangelicals, have done a lot of great seva type things. But often with strong strings attached. It appears that PR/conversion-focussed seva is a downer and often backfires -- regardless of the organization. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 7:09:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO and he reveres MMY has his teacher? Something off here. Maybe not, he doesn't call it Transcendental Meditation. ...then we are satisfied... Basically what this means is that these TM-teachers that Ravi Shankar has enlisted are liers, pretending to represent the Holy Tradition. But what they are doing is feeding their egos and wallets. Not very different from the so-called independents. There appers to be a core of anger in your posts -- perhaps not -- appearances can b e deceiving. Regardless, AFAIK, all $250 of the AoL fee goes to the organization. The teachers all teach for free. Out of the joy of teaching. And passing on something good to others. So its not feeding their wallets. Why you also feel it is feeding thier egos is also a mystery. My impression of meeting a lot of AoL teachers is that its not an ego thing at all. There is not the sharp TMO class hierarchy status thing (particularly prevalent prior to citizen sidhas) of being a teacher. They simply like teaching a program that helps people. Who doesn't? Are you basing your ego comments on your having met and worked with 20-50 + AoL teachers? Have you met any? If not, then it would appear that your comments are not based on observed reality, but something in your head. Perhaps good to figure out what that is. Or, if it leads to greater happiness to continue to have that rattling around inside, go for it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
nablus108 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see-- like him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc. The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the independent articles? This Ravi Shankar thing is mainly moodmaking; look into each others eyes and tell them you love them, hold each others hands and form a circle, blabla etcetc. The technique is far from what has been described as TM+advanced technique; it's just a simple pranayama, and Ravi is just a simple, but probably nice fellow that needs to do some serious sadhana. In a talkshow I watched in India he was asked how it felt to be a guru. He blushed intensely, denying he was a guru, the whole thing got very comical. The fellow abviously wants to be a guru, but does not have the credidentials. He may not have the credentials to be *saint* but he has the credentials to be a guru. Westerners have perverted the meaning of guru which means someone who has mastered something and teaches it. If you mastered a certain style of playing guitar and people wanted to learn from you then you are a genuine guru of that method. Westerners don't want gurus but pop saints. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't MMY once say when talking about building SV communities that they couldn't all be mansions, that even the poor people have to have a place to live? Well since MMY wants only to teach TM to the rich, I guess somebody has to be able to teach it to the poor thus we have the AOL organization. +5 funny Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million? on 6/21/06 12:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't MMY once say when talking about building SV communities that they couldn't all be mansions, that even the poor people have to have a place to live? Well since MMY wants only to teach TM to the rich, I guess somebody has to be able to teach it to the poor thus we have the AOL organization. MMY once referred to SV as entertainment for the wealthy. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million? on 6/21/06 12:45 PM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/21/06 7:03 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the independent articles? One of Ammas senior swamis told me that SSRS made a big show of doing a lot of tsunami disaster relief in Sri Lanka, but when Ammas crew got there to do some actual work, officials complained to them that the SSRS group had apparently just been seeking publicity, and hadnt actually done anything. I think selfless, simple, non-PR-focussed, group service projects by any spriritually oriented group, are a great way to create word-or-mouth and good buzz about a particular program. They can also be very good for the participants evolution. Ego-attenuating; heart-developing. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? Waay more. He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! So where's the research on his meditation technique? Maybe he's dealing with people who are content with trusting their own experiences, and who don't need to be shown no steenkin' badges (in the form of 'science') in order to believe those experiences. That might be the case. One thing I have learned over the years is that my experiences are unreliable. *I* may think that something is so and it turns out to be otherwise. I my think that I am right and it turns out to be otherwise. Of course, taking chances is the hallmark of a visionary, but when you're an ADHD/OCD, being a visionary is often oxymoronic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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How entertaining can it be sitting in a home that has all the warmth of Fort Knox? Sal On Jun 21, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Rick Archer wrote: MMY once referred to SV as “entertainment for the wealthy.” __._,_.___
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO... And whose teacher and organization refuse to allow them to teach, unless they spend several thousand dollars to be recertified at something they are already proficient in, give up their jobs, and agree to work full-time for a salary that never arrives in the mail. All of this so that they can *not* teach, because the technique is priced so high that no one sane would ever pay that much to learn it. Well, duh. If your calling is to teach meditation and the org you first signed up with actively prevents you from teaching meditation, you go where someone *will* allow you to teach. You folks who never taught meditation are sometimes awfully quick to demonize those who did, and want nothing more than to continue doing so... You people who aren't part of an organization and haven't been for many years are quite quick to demonize said organization... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Vaj - what did Triguna say in the article about SSRS? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. snip In terms of technical and practical reasons, SSRS's sadhanas are a step up from TM--perhaps we should look at it as an evolving lineage coming from SBS and M. and the old technique (of TM) improving (interestingly through the yogic cognition of SSRS, who cognized the Sudarshan kriya). It's certainly clear (comparing the two) which one nature's supporting and which one is fadin' away... Interesting comments by Trigunaji too, love it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see-- like him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc. The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the independent articles? This Ravi Shankar thing is mainly moodmaking; look into each others eyes and tell them you love them, hold each others hands and form a circle, blabla etcetc. The technique is far from what has been described as TM+advanced technique; it's just a simple pranayama, and Ravi is just a simple, but probably nice fellow that needs to do some serious sadhana. In a talkshow I watched in India he was asked how it felt to be a guru. He blushed intensely, denying he was a guru, the whole thing got very comical. The fellow abviously wants to be a guru, but does not have the credidentials. Sounds like he's very popular though, which means he gives people something they want. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 6/21/06 1:26:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He may not have the credentials to be *saint* but he has the credentials to be a guru. Westerners have perverted the meaning of "guru" which means someone who has mastered something and teaches it. If you mastered a certain style of playing guitar and people wanted to learn from you then you are a genuine "guru" of that method. Westerners don't want gurus but "pop saints." From my personal experience, I would put him in the category of Saint. I have been to see him speak twice and found him absolutely glowing. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] And do they teach a more about Indian philosophy and traditions than TM ever did? I know quite a few people that walked away from TM because they wanted to know more of this and there wasn't that much outside of the Gita commentary. What, a PhD in Vedic Science isn't enough? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million? on 6/21/06 2:21 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] And do they teach a more about Indian philosophy and traditions than TM ever did? I know quite a few people that walked away from TM because they wanted to know more of this and there wasn't that much outside of the Gita commentary. What, a PhD in Vedic Science isn't enough? You know how you get those? You read all the Vedic literature in Sanskrit, even though you dont know what youre reading (because you dont speak Sanskrit). __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/21/06 2:21 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: [...] And do they teach a more about Indian philosophy and traditions than TM ever did? I know quite a few people that walked away from TM because they wanted to know more of this and there wasn't that much outside of the Gita commentary. What, a PhD in Vedic Science isn't enough? You know how you get those? You read all the Vedic literature in Sanskrit, even though you don¹t know what you¹re reading (because you don¹t speak Sanskrit). That's one of 4 branches of the program, it turns out. It's an interesting concept. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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It was not in the article, it was what MDixon said Trigunaji commented on, that people who practiced the Sudarshan Kriya had lots of prana:"A TM teacher friend that knew several people that also did Sudarshana Kriya, said that Triguna used to remark how the people that did that kriya had such an abundance of prana. Supposedly it also made TM and Sidhi practice much more powerful, more energy."On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:46 AM, wayback71 wrote: Vaj - what did Triguna say in the article about SSRS? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. snip In terms of technical and practical reasons, SSRS's sadhanas are a step up from TM--perhaps we should look at it as an evolving lineage coming from SBS and M. and the old technique (of TM) improving (interestingly through the yogic cognition of SSRS, who cognized the Sudarshan kriya). It's certainly clear (comparing the two) which one nature's supporting and which one is fadin' away... Interesting comments by Trigunaji too, love it. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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In a message dated 6/21/06 1:48:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on 6/21/06 12:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't MMY once say when talking about building SV communities that they couldn't all be mansions, that even the poor people have to have a place to live? Well since MMY wants only to teach TM to the rich, I guess somebody has to be able to teach it to the poor thus we have the AOL organization.MMY once referred to SV as “entertainment for the wealthy.” Obviously MMY wants to focus his attention only on the wealthy in his last remaining years perhaps polishing up a few disciples to carry on for him. It almost seems to me as if he has directly or indirectly handed off the torch of meditation for the masses to somebody with the youth, energyand ability to willing to do so. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/21/06 12:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't MMY once say when talking about building SV communities that they couldn't all be mansions, that even the poor people have to have a place to live? Well since MMY wants only to teach TM to the rich, I guess somebody has to be able to teach it to the poor thus we have the AOL organization. MMY once referred to SV as ³entertainment for the wealthy.² ...and now it's the solution of all of life's problems if recent MMY pronouncements are to be believed... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/21/06 12:45 PM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think selfless, simple, non-PR-focussed, group service projects by any spriritually oriented group, are a great way to create word-or-mouth and good buzz about a particular program. They can also be very good for the participants¹ evolution. Ego-attenuating; heart-developing. Indeed. That may be the thing that the former TM teachers who teach through that organization are seeking -- the chance to put some energy back into a system that has given them so much. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Maybe he's dealing with people who are content with trusting their own experiences, and who don't need to be shown no steenkin' badges (in the form of 'science') in order to believe those experiences. That might be the case. One thing I have learned over the years is that my experiences are unreliable. *I* may think that something is so and it turns out to be otherwise. I may think that I am right and it turns out to be otherwise. I'm sorry that's been your experience. In general, mine has been the opposite. Almost every time I trusted my own intuition more than I trusted the advice of others, it has turned out to be a good decision. Of course, taking chances is the hallmark of a visionary, but when you're an ADHD/OCD, being a visionary is often oxymoronic. I empathize. But part of me has to wonder which came first -- did the ADHD/OCD trigger the distrust of your own perceptions, or did the distrust of your own perceptions trigger the ADHD/OCD? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. One of the comments on this sounds just like the people complaining about MMY and the TMO: ontheotherhand said... How funny that one of angriest people I've ever met (SSRS) would preach to these people on anger and irritation affecting their actions. Who better? Are you more comfortable with teachers who talk about things that they have no experience with? Celibate priests lecturing householders about sex? Bogus analogy. Generally speaking, when somebody claims to be able to teach people how to overcome something negative, it's assumed the person has had some success in overcoming it him/herself. Celibate priests don't tend to lecture householders (married ones, at least) how to refrain from sex entirely (and if they did, they'd be well qualified, assuming they were able to maintain celibacy themselves). It seems to me that someone who has had some exper- ience with anger and its debilitating effects would be the perfect person to talk about it. But Sri Sri talks about how *not* to be angry, you see. If he is still an obviously angry person himself, there's reason to be skeptical that he would be the perfect person to teach others how not to be angry. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 6/21/06 12:16:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of Amma’s senior swamis told me that SSRS made a big show of doing a lot of tsunami disaster relief in Sri Lanka, but when Amma’s crew got there to do some actual work, officials complained to them that the SSRS group had apparently just been seeking publicity, and hadn’t actually done anything. Uh Oh! Guru wars! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 9:18 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see--like him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc. The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the independent articles? India newspapers. The aerial shots were interesting--they had these huge video screens so the proceeds could be seen by more people. The stage itself was 3.5 acres! 6000 / 250 = .24 % A few hundred thousand people (according to the reports Icould find) is not 2.5 million. SOunds like SSRS has taken a page from MMY's PR manual. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/21/06 12:16:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of Ammaâs senior swamis told me that SSRS made a big show of doing a lot of tsunami disaster relief in Sri Lanka, but when Ammaâs crew got there to do some actual work, officials complained to them that the SSRS group had apparently just been seeking publicity, and hadnât actually done anything. Uh Oh! Guru wars! Uh oh! Guru pissing contests! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
On Jun 21, 2006, at 12:01 PM, nablus108 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" sparaig@ wrote: So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO... And whose teacher and organization refuse to allow them to teach, unless they spend several thousand dollars to be "recertified" at something they are already proficient in, give up their jobs, and agree to work full-time for a salary that never arrives in the mail. All of this so that they can *not* teach, because the technique is priced so high that no one sane would ever pay that much to learn it. Well, duh. If your calling is to teach meditation and the org you first signed up with actively prevents you from teaching meditation, you go where someone *will* allow you to teach. You folks who never taught meditation are sometimes awfully quick to demonize those who did, and want nothing more than to continue doing so... Dear friend, What Maharishi has done resently is a test. Just keep that desire to teach lively within you and it will be fulfilled. Jai Guru Dev PS: Don't hold your breath... __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! A few hundred thousand people (according to the reports Icould find) is not 2.5 million. SOunds like SSRS has taken a page from MMY's PR manual. Following is a pre-event announcement. 2 lakh = 200,000. This event has drawn international attention and over 2 lakh people are expected to take part in Mahakriya supervised by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. http://www.newindpress.com/2006/artofliving/index.asp The Aol sites reports: Watching the crowds, crossing one million every day for 3 days, (did any come for more than one day?) http://www.silverjubilee.org/index.htm Indeed from pics at the above site, it looked like an impressive event. But I too can't find much on it in the Indain press. It makes me think the reports of the numbers were a bit fanciful. Though, their other reporting is solid, hard-hitting, down-to-earth: Words cannot do justice to what HE [SSRS] is and His contribution to the world. One thing that really touches the heart is the depth and reach of Gurudev's work in rural India. As each moment and each day passes, Gurudev's volunteer's and teachers are transforming the lives of millions of people living in the villages and they are ready for action whether it is Tsunami, Mumbai floods or earthquake in Kashmir. Truly Gurudev has accomplished the ancient goal of one world family, Vasudaiva Kutumbakam. To sum up Gurudev's work is just not possible, for the work, like the Master, is beyond definition. He has inspired millions across the globe, and it is His presence more than anything that inspires and elevates and awakens love in everyone. We consider ourselves blessed to be here with Him, to be a part of this grand celebration of human values. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! A few hundred thousand people (according to the reports Icould find) is not 2.5 million. SOunds like SSRS has taken a page from MMY's PR manual. Following is a pre-event announcement. 2 lakh = 200,000. This event has drawn international attention and over 2 lakh people are expected to take part in Mahakriya supervised by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. http://www.newindpress.com/2006/artofliving/index.asp The Aol sites reports: Watching the crowds, crossing one million every day for 3 days, (did any come for more than one day?) http://www.silverjubilee.org/index.htm Thanks, beautiful website for the event. Quite incredible. This is what I like to see in a worldwide movement! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Maybe he's dealing with people who are content with trusting their own experiences, and who don't need to be shown no steenkin' badges (in the form of 'science') in order to believe those experiences. That might be the case. One thing I have learned over the years is that my experiences are unreliable. *I* may think that something is so and it turns out to be otherwise. I may think that I am right and it turns out to be otherwise. I'm sorry that's been your experience. In general, mine has been the opposite. Almost every time I trusted my own intuition more than I trusted the advice of others, it has turned out to be a good decision. Of course, taking chances is the hallmark of a visionary, but when you're an ADHD/OCD, being a visionary is often oxymoronic. I empathize. But part of me has to wonder which came first -- did the ADHD/OCD trigger the distrust of your own perceptions, or did the distrust of your own perceptions trigger the ADHD/OCD? Heh. I used to go through a box of pencils a week when I was a kid. Often, had to take 5 or 6 to school with me every day because I'd lose one per class period. I was bright enough that the teachers never notice3d my problems. Since I already knew most of what was being taught, the fact that I couldn't pay attention didn't register. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Vaj wrote:On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massivemeditationsession last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore!A few hundred thousand people (according to the reports Icould find)is not 2.5 million. SOunds like SSRS has taken a page from MMY's PR manual.Following is a pre-event announcement. 2 lakh = 200,000.This event has drawn international attention and over 2 lakh peopleare expected to take part in Mahakriya supervised by Sri Sri RaviShankar. http://www.newindpress.com/2006/artofliving/index.aspThe Aol sites reports:Watching the crowds, crossing one million every day for 3 days, (did any come for more than one day?)http://www.silverjubilee.org/index.htmThanks, beautiful website for the event. Quite incredible. This is what I like to see in a worldwide movement!It sounds like it may have also been the largest mantra initiation in history:"Around 9.45 pm a pin drop silence descended as Sri Sri administered the meditation technique to the assembly."http://www.silverjubilee.org/day1.htmWow--that is incredible.It seems clear to me after all this that M.'s earlier press conference remarks was most likely referring to SSRS, not independents. He was giving his blessing to SSRS...and boy did the disciple follow through! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
In a message dated 6/21/06 11:05:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" shempmcgurk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 7:09:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes:So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO and he reveres MMY has his teacher? Something "off" here. Maybe not, he doesn't call it Transcendental Meditation. ...then we are satisfied...Basically what this means is that these "TM-teachers" that Ravi Shankar has enlisted are liers, pretending to represent the Holy Tradition. But what they are doing is feeding their egos and wallets. Not very different from the so-called "independents". I can't speak for SSRS but I bet he would consider himself the next step in the Holy Tradition. He claims that Maharishi told him to go and give this knowledge and gave him his blessings. There came a time when Guru Dev's master could do no more for him and sent him on his way. Does that mean Guru Dev was not allowed to teach the knowledge he had received from his master? Of course not. Once you possess the knowledge, it's your's to keep or share. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! A few hundred thousand people (according to the reports Icould find) is not 2.5 million. SOunds like SSRS has taken a page from MMY's PR manual. Following is a pre-event announcement. 2 lakh = 200,000. This event has drawn international attention and over 2 lakh people are expected to take part in Mahakriya supervised by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. http://www.newindpress.com/2006/artofliving/index.asp The Aol sites reports: Watching the crowds, crossing one million every day for 3 days, (did any come for more than one day?) http://www.silverjubilee.org/index.htm Thanks, beautiful website for the event. Quite incredible. This is what I like to see in a worldwide movement! It sounds like it may have also been the largest mantra initiation in history: Around 9.45 pm a pin drop silence descended as Sri Sri administered the meditation technique to the assembly. http://www.silverjubilee.org/day1.htm Wow--that is incredible. Just for the record, this was a *huge* spectacle, with lots of entertainment--music, singing, chanting, dancing--and speeches by prominent persons. Something for everybody, a great big party. At one point on the third evening he had the whole crowd doing the breathing techniques. That must have been a sight to behold. It seems clear to me after all this that M.'s earlier press conference remarks was most likely referring to SSRS, not independents. He was giving his blessing to SSRS...and boy did the disciple follow through! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
On Jun 21, 2006, at 9:13 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jun 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! A few hundred thousand people (according to the reports Icould find) is not 2.5 million. SOunds like SSRS has taken a page from MMY's PR manual. Following is a pre-event announcement. 2 lakh = 200,000. This event has drawn international attention and over 2 lakh people are expected to take part in Mahakriya supervised by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. http://www.newindpress.com/2006/artofliving/index.asp The Aol sites reports: Watching the crowds, crossing one million every day for 3 days, (did any come for more than one day?) http://www.silverjubilee.org/index.htm Thanks, beautiful website for the event. Quite incredible. This is what I like to see in a worldwide movement! It sounds like it may have also been the largest mantra initiation in history: "Around 9.45 pm a pin drop silence descended as Sri Sri administered the meditation technique to the assembly." http://www.silverjubilee.org/day1.htm Wow--that is incredible. Just for the record, this was a *huge* spectacle, with lots of entertainment--music, singing, chanting, dancing--and speeches by prominent persons. Something for everybody, a great big party. At one point on the third evening he had the whole crowd doing the breathing techniques. That must have been a sight to behold. There's a picture of it at:http://www.silverjubilee.org/images/new/i1.jpg __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One reason SSRS's Art of Living is so successful is that he sets a very natural, open and authentic example. I've encounterd, essentially, very little mood-making from people in the Art of Living. You find none of the nonsense that you find with MMY and the TMO. This combined with his rather powerful darshan and inexpensive meditation and kriya techniques along with his humanitarian efforts make for a, gee, a real spiritual movement! What a concept! --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all the mistakes taken out? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
While I have no real qualms with SSRS himself, his organization, at least when I was involved (which was only for a little over a year in the 90s), almost made the TMO look good--and that ain't easy. On the first course I took, without telling us before hand, they made the announcement at the first meeting that we would all be on a fruit diet, for the entire course--6 days. Not only was that a dirty trick (IMO of course--perhaps others liked it) but couldn't that possibly affect someone's health, if they were diabetic, or had digestive problems? To make matters worse, I and a number of others were housed in the building adjacent to his...with the lovely smell of delicious Indian food wafting over 3 times daily. Try fasting with **that** happening. Anyway, of course we cheated--why not, he was--and went into town where I and a few others had at least a couple of decent meals. But we sure didn't appreciate having to shell out yet more $$ after having paid for room and board for the course...the worst part being, IMO, that nobody had bothered to tell us beforehand--a deliberate omission, because they were afraid nobody would come otherwise? Who knows. Then there were the meetings themselves, at which any number of people would be fighting with each other--literally--to sit as close to the front as possible. The second course, the one in Pittsburgh, was another classic Oops, they did it again... scenario. This one was so bad it would make a great plot for a movie where nothing goes right. It wasn't enough that they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the heat (it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to choke an elephant--they then pulled Trick #2. Into tiny rooms in which we barely had enough space to walk, those of us on the long part of the course (6 days) then had to share whatever microscopic amount of free space was left with the 2-day course participants--I doubt they knew that was going to happen, and I know we didn't. Add to that that there were a couple of TM vagrants who hadn't registered and were staying at the hotel illegally, seriously ticking off the management, and you have the makings for, possibly, the Worst Course Ever. I have no idea how much of all of this SSRS knew about, but it was his organization and he does bear some of the responsibility. On a personal level, I felt he was much warmer and more approachable than MMY. But after those two disasters, I pretty much gave up on all of them. Sal On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:26 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all the mistakes taken out?
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? Waay more. He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! So where's the research on his meditation technique? Way to go Ravi! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And he only charges about 250.00 to learn his techniques and will accept what you can afford if you have a problem with the course fee. He has no shortage of people learning either. He has TM teachers teach his meditation which I understand is TM+ an advanced technique. That's my understanding as well. He identifies MMY as his master, does he not? Does he have them do a puja to MMY? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. One of the comments on this sounds just like the people complaining about MMY and the TMO: ontheotherhand said... How funny that one of angriest people I've ever met (SSRS) would preach to these people on anger and irritation affecting their actions. I can't even enumerate the numbers of times I've seen his anger/irritation cause is actions to be irrational at best, and harmful to others at worst. He is such a hypocrite, it boggles the mind to think that others are not seeing through him. Those who are close enough are finished off in that their lives are over in the world -- he took it all away -- career, money, name, etc., so they can't really argue with him anymore or contradict him. I mean, what does a former district attorney from LA who gave up her career for him do after following him around for 15 years, having thrown away her education and career for him? She has to simply agree, and go around and teach his BS happily I suppose. And a former Prince of Kerala? (I'm not kidding.) So he got a title of Rishi or Swami from SSRS. That's the least he could do for the poor guy who was brainwashed into leaving his life for this mission. Peace prize? We don't think the rest of the world will be fooled by him. Intellectuals giving out this prize frown on people like SSRS who routinely post lies about his past, creating fantastic stories about his earning an advanced degree in Physics, etc. (see Wikipedia), when the man never even completed one year of college. I'm tired of this guy. I hope he goes away soon. Maybe he could go to the mountains and do some sadana and get enlightened. That would be nice for the world. That would create much more peace than the group of bickering mental cases running around him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
Funky! Sal Sunshine wrote: While I have no real qualms with SSRS himself, his organization, at least when I was involved (which was only for a little over a year in the 90s), almost made the TMO look good--and that ain't easy. On the first course I took, without telling us before hand, they made the announcement at the first meeting that we would all be on a fruit diet, for the entire course--6 days. Not only was that a dirty trick (IMO of course--perhaps others liked it) but couldn't that possibly affect someone's health, if they were diabetic, or had digestive problems? To make matters worse, I and a number of others were housed in the building adjacent to his...with the lovely smell of delicious Indian food wafting over 3 times daily. Try fasting with **that** happening. Anyway, of course we cheated--why not, he was--and went into town where I and a few others had at least a couple of decent meals. But we sure didn't appreciate having to shell out yet more $$ after having paid for room and board for the course...the worst part being, IMO, that nobody had bothered to tell us beforehand--a deliberate omission, because they were afraid nobody would come otherwise? Who knows. Then there were the meetings themselves, at which any number of people would be fighting with each other--literally--to sit as close to the front as possible. The second course, the one in Pittsburgh, was another classic Oops, they did it again... scenario. This one was so bad it would make a great plot for a movie where nothing goes right. It wasn't enough that they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the heat (it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to choke an elephant--they then pulled Trick #2. Into tiny rooms in which we barely had enough space to walk, those of us on the long part of the course (6 days) then had to share whatever microscopic amount of free space was left with the 2-day course participants--I doubt they knew that was going to happen, and I know we didn't. Add to that that there were a couple of TM vagrants who hadn't registered and were staying at the hotel illegally, seriously ticking off the management, and you have the makings for, possibly, the Worst Course Ever. I have no idea how much of all of this SSRS knew about, but it was his organization and he does bear some of the responsibility. On a personal level, I felt he was much warmer and more approachable than MMY. But after those two disasters, I pretty much gave up on all of them. Sal On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:26 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all the mistakes taken out? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all the mistakes taken out? He's his own man with his own mistakes, obviously. People seem to forget that its EASY being a saint when you live in a cave. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 6/20/06 5:21:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It wasn't enough that they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the heat (it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to choke an elephant--they then pulled Trick I had this exact same problem on my Sidhi Flying course. Smoker room in DC and got bronchitis and was generally miserable and coughing the whole time. Coughing so much I couldn't settle in Meditation. I left DC with a fever. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 4:00:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vaj wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: And he only charges about 250.00 to learn his techniques and will accept what you can afford if you have a problem with the course fee. He has no shortage of people learning either. He has TM teachers teach his meditation which I understand is TM+ an advanced technique. That's my understanding as well. What is TM+ and do people feel they get good results from it? I've spoken to only a few people associated with SSRS and they seem to be very happy with the knowledge they get. I have heard, and I can't vouch for this that SSRS uses TM teachers who do Puja to Guru Dev and teach TM as it is taught in India which includes one advanced technique. But this is taught only after one has learned the Sudarshana Kriya. So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO and he reveres MMY has his teacher? Something off here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 6/20/06 6:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi!BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? Some AOL people from Houston told me thatpeople went there from all over the world and they had been aware of planning for months. But I would imagine the overwhelming majority were Indian and living close to Bangalore. It would be interesting to know how everybody was accomadated. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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In a message dated 6/20/06 6:08:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He identifies MMY as his master, does he not? Does he have them do a puja to MMY? Very much so. He has the initiators do the same Puja they were trained to do. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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In a message dated 6/20/06 7:09:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO and he reveres MMY has his teacher?Something "off" here. Maybe not, he doesn't call it Transcendental Meditation. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 6:08:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He identifies MMY as his master, does he not? Does he have them do a puja to MMY? Very much so. He has the initiators do the same Puja they were trained to do. Sometimes I think I've wandered into a new TV show: The TM Zone... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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It seemed especially ironic that this occurred during a course that emphasized a breathing technique. Sal On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 5:21:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: x-tad-smallerIt wasn't enough that /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerthey put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the heat /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smaller(it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to choke /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smalleran elephant--they then pulled Trick/x-tad-smaller x-tad-biggerI had this exact same problem on my Sidhi Flying course. Smoker room in DC and got bronchitis and was generally miserable and coughing the whole time. Coughing so much I couldn't settle in Meditation. I left DC with a fever./x-tad-bigger __._,_.___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi!BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see--like him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? The WIE article has details. There's lot of stuff you don't see--like him sending delegations volatile Kashmir, etc. The WIE has details provided by him and his people. Where's the independent articles? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/iDk17A/hOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Jun 20, 2006, at 7:05 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? Waay more.Yep, thought so--must be increasing charm... He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! So where's the research on his meditation technique?Use to be on the AoL site, but there is not as much an emphasis on scientific PR that I see in his movement.In terms of technical and practical reasons, SSRS's sadhanas are a step up from TM--perhaps we should look at it as an evolving lineage coming from SBS and M. and the old technique (of TM) improving (interestingly through the yogic cognition of SSRS, who cognized the Sudarshan kriya). It's certainly clear (comparing the two) which one nature's supporting and which one is fadin' away...Interesting comments by Trigunaji too, love it. Way to go Ravi! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Buddha shakyamuni Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 6:08:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: He identifies MMY as his master, does he not? Does he have them do a puja to MMY? Very much so. He has the initiators do the same Puja they were trained to do. Sometimes I think I've wandered into a new TV show: The TM Zone... Just make sure it faces the right way ... :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I have no real qualms with SSRS himself, his organization, at least when I was involved (which was only for a little over a year in the 90s), almost made the TMO look good--and that ain't easy. On the first course I took, without telling us before hand, they made the announcement at the first meeting that we would all be on a fruit diet, for the entire course--6 days. Not only was that a dirty trick (IMO of course--perhaps others liked it) but couldn't that possibly affect someone's health, if they were diabetic, or had digestive problems? To make matters worse, I and a number of others were housed in the building adjacent to his...with the lovely smell of delicious Indian food wafting over 3 times daily. Try fasting with **that** happening. Anyway, of course we cheated--why not, he was--and went into town where I and a few others had at least a couple of decent meals. But we sure didn't appreciate having to shell out yet more $$ after having paid for room and board for the course...the worst part being, IMO, that nobody had bothered to tell us beforehand--a deliberate omission, because they were afraid nobody would come otherwise? Who knows. Then there were the meetings themselves, at which any number of people would be fighting with each other--literally--to sit as close to the front as possible. The second course, the one in Pittsburgh, was another classic Oops, they did it again... scenario. This one was so bad it would make a great plot for a movie where nothing goes right. It wasn't enough that they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the heat (it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to choke an elephant--they then pulled Trick #2. Into tiny rooms in which we barely had enough space to walk, those of us on the long part of the course (6 days) then had to share whatever microscopic amount of free space was left with the 2-day course participants--I doubt they knew that was going to happen, and I know we didn't. Add to that that there were a couple of TM vagrants who hadn't registered and were staying at the hotel illegally, seriously ticking off the management, and you have the makings for, possibly, the Worst Course Ever. I have no idea how much of all of this SSRS knew about, but it was his organization and he does bear some of the responsibility. On a personal level, I felt he was much warmer and more approachable than MMY. But after those two disasters, I pretty much gave up on all of them. Sal Perhaps you should try Jesus...or masturbation. On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:26 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all the mistakes taken out? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! Did you know that Norah Jones is his illegitimate daughter? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Your favorite religious organization? Make a donation at Network for Good. http://us.click.yahoo.com/EOl1HB/LPaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Jody at http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/ has an entirely different perspective on SSRS. Gosh, you mean Sri Sri *isn't* MMY with all the mistakes taken out? He's his own man with his own mistakes, obviously. People seem to forget that its EASY being a saint when you live in a cave. My mother always said I was a saint and I never lived in a cave. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. No it's not. That many fetuses are aborted in India on a long weekend. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 5:21:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It wasn't enough that they put all of us into smoking rooms--so when you turned on the heat (it was February) you got blasted with enough cigarette smoke to choke an elephant--they then pulled Trick I had this exact same problem on my Sidhi Flying course. Smoker room in DC and got bronchitis and was generally miserable and coughing the whole time. Coughing so much I couldn't settle in Meditation. I left DC with a fever. Yeah, but at least you left with that satisfying taste that only a Winston can provide. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 6:57:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! BTW, where is the independent Indian newspaper coverageof this 2.5 million person meditation. Even by Hindu standards, that's a HUGE gathering of people. And, unless most of them are from Bangalore, that's a HUGE strain on the local infrastructure. How many broken sewer lines? How many new turds floating in the street's open sewers, etc? Where did the water come from? The food? The parking? The housing? Some AOL people from Houston told me that people went there from all over the world and they had been aware of planning for months. But I would imagine the overwhelming majority were Indian and living close to Bangalore. It would be interesting to know how everybody was accomadated. Nobody from Compuserve or Netzero? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 7:09:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So SSRS only uses meditation teachers who have pledged to only teach TM under the auspices of the TMO and he reveres MMY has his teacher? Something off here. Maybe not, he doesn't call it Transcendental Meditation. ...then we are satisfied... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/20/06 6:08:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: He identifies MMY as his master, does he not? Does he have them do a puja to MMY? Very much so. He has the initiators do the same Puja they were trained to do. Sometimes I think I've wandered into a new TV show: The TM Zone... No, you've pretty much been there the past 3 years... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! Did you know that Norah Jones is his illegitimate daughter? No, she's the sitarist's daughter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS: 20 million?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The new issue of What Is Enlightenment? has an article on SSRS which says he has instructed over 20 million people in meditation. Is that more than TM? He's also had 2.5 million people show up for a massive meditation session last February 17 in his hometown of Bangalore! Way to go Ravi! Did you know that Norah Jones is his illegitimate daughter? No, she's the sitarist's daughter. Oh. Never mind. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
