[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit mantra for dreaming pleasant dreams which will come true
TurquoiseB: > Me, I'm gonna go for hard work and seeing > it pay off over time... > It would seem that you've still got quite a few samskaras to burn off Turq, in this life! Have you ever considered performing tapas? But in fact, dreams are just about all you have to work with. You've given no indication that you're 'awakened' to another Reality, to any great extent. Maybe you're living a dream right now, and you don't know it. Is there anything that you can experience in the waking state that cannot be experienced in the dream state? I don't think so. In dreams, we can run and jump, and consult with our friends; door are doors, and tables are tables, just like they are when you are awake. A Chinese sage fell asleep one day and dreamed that he was a butterfly. When he awoke he wondered if he was a man, dreaming that he was a butterfly, or was he a butterfly, dreaming that he was a man? So, in Reality, you might be just the 'thought' of another 'Soul' that exists in another type of universe, in another parallel consciousness state, which you are unaware of. That makes about as much sense as your current thesis that human activity is purposeful, that 'work', you perform today will result in good 'karma' tomorrow. Is there any kind of indication that there is a 'moral reciprocity' principle at play in the universe that depends on 'work'? Or, by work did you mean The Work? If the latter, what kind of spiritual work are you performing? We already know that you are very fond of Feng Shui! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_shui
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit mantra for dreaming pleasant dreams which will come true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > Let's hope your hard work against TM and the TMO will > "pay off over time" Just as a question, Nabby, why do you perceive someone watching the TM movement destroy itself as being "against" the TM movement? If I were standing on a cliff watching thousands of lemmings hurl themselves off, would that make me "against" lemmings? :-) OK, I know that lemmings don't actually hurl themselves off of cliffs, but it makes for a good metaphor. If they did, and you stood at the edge of the cliff and waved your hands and shouted "Cliff ahead! You really don't want to go there!" would it help in any way? Or would they just keep running, because that's what lemmings *do*? Let's put it to the test. "HEY, NABBY! CULT-RELATED CLIFF AHEAD! YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO GO THERE!" So did that change your mind about anything TM? Or about anything Maitreya-flavored and covered with whipped Creme? If not, you might want to reconsider me being "against" the TMO. I'm just watching as it runs towards something that looks to me a lot like a cliff. I'm not the one encouraging the TMO *to* run headlong towards that cliff. The TMO's own leaders are the ones doing that. If the TMO is still going strong and has changed the world the way you believe it will in ten years, then you have the last laugh. But if ten years hence there is little left of the TMO but the lingering smell of dead lemmings, you might want to rethink who was really "against" it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit mantra for dreaming pleasant dreams which will come true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: snip Me, I'm gonna > go for hard work and seeing it pay off over time. > Approaching 70 years of age and all you have are a few lucid dreams ! Let's hope your hard work against TM and the TMO will "pay off over time"
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit mantra for dreaming pleasant dreams which will come true
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dOyVZR8s6w&feature=related Inadvertently (since no one replied to my question about references to lucid dreaming or "waking up in the dream") from "Vedic" sources, this post from shukra probably answers the question. There probably are none. And the reasons are 1) dreams are viewed as something that are "given" to us by imaginary gods, and 2) praying to these imag- inary gods and asking them for favors is viewed as the only way to achieve what one wants. In particular, the invocation of 'shrim' or 'shreem' seems to indicate that the believers in the efficacy of this mantra are praying to imaginary Lakshmi or, if hoping that they will be granted pleasant dreams of *money* that will come true, imaginary Kubera. Call me crazy, but practicing techniques that allow me some measure of control over my own dreams -- and under my direction, not some imaginary god or goddess' direction -- are preferable to repeating the same prayer to imaginary beings 1008 times, and then 108 times each night before you go to sleep, then just hoping for the best. The "bottom line" that keeps coming up for me in TM beliefs as they express themselves here is that most of them are *passive*. They involve paying your money to something or praying to something and then hoping for the best. Almost none involve actual work on the part of the seeker, or taking credit for that work when it actually accomplishes something. Just look at the speeches by Hagelin in the recent video -- everything good that he praises is "by the grace of" someone or something. I guess this is OK if your spiritual path leads you to believe that your interface with the universe or with "Nature" is passive, and the only influence you can have on what happens to you is to praise imaginary aspects of Nature and hope that they'll be pleased enough with your chanting or your gifts or how much you paid for your yagya to "deliver." Me, I'm gonna go for hard work and seeing it pay off over time.
