Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Sherlock: His Last Vow
Just a reminder to those in the US that the first episode played Sunday night and if you've cut the cable or don't have TV then you can watch on PBS.com. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/ Or wait for Hulu to get as they said they don't have Season 3 yet. So maybe after all three episodes air there. On 01/17/2014 09:42 AM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: There's a link at the end of the Wholock video to another clip showing how he (?) combined the elements and masked out unwanted material. The possibilities are endless. We're used to sampling in music but given all the film footage now available at a mouse click you could combine clips from assorted classic films noir (say) to produce your very own all-star thriller.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Sherlock: His Last Vow
WHOLOCK - Sherlock meets The Doctor! For any FFLifers who have encountered the Doctor Who series (both series share writers) some smart kid has put together a meeting between Sherlock and the Doctor for YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3bGYljQ5Uw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3bGYljQ5Uw
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sherlock: His Last Vow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: WHOLOCK - Sherlock meets The Doctor! For any FFLifers who have encountered the Doctor Who series (both series share writers) some smart kid has put together a meeting between Sherlock and the Doctor for YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3bGYljQ5Uw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3bGYljQ5Uw Brilliant. And brilliantly rendered. This is what I was talking about earlier as jazz.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Sherlock: His Last Vow
There's a link at the end of the Wholock video to another clip showing how he (?) combined the elements and masked out unwanted material. The possibilities are endless. We're used to sampling in music but given all the film footage now available at a mouse click you could combine clips from assorted classic films noir (say) to produce your very own all-star thriller.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sherlock: His Last Vow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: We're going to have to agree to disagree on this series. And opinion seems equally divided on the comments below on-line reviews. For me, the whole point of the Holmes stories was to see the great man solving crimes. This series is far too involved in the characters of Holmes's immediate circle and is way too self indulgent. Watson's wife, Mary, is scarcely mentioned in the original Conan-Doyle stories; here she's become a central character and has out-stayed her welcome. Another example of the series being too much up itself is that the parents of Sherlock are played by Benedict Cumberbatch's real-life parents; and Watson's wife is played by Martin Freeman's real-life partner! Ugh! And can you buy Sherlock as a seducer of women? He's not James Bond. I watch the series as it does have some excellent set pieces. In this last episode the internal dialogue following Sherlockâs shooting was brilliant. And Charles Augustus Magnussen as Holmes's foe has to be one of the creepiest villains I've seen - even disturbingly perverse. (Pity we won't see him again.) OK, I've had my coffee now, so I will try to give your post a better reply. :-) Yes, the bottom line is that we will have to agree to disagree. But that's probably because I appreciate Steven Moffat's schtick as what it is -- jazz. Did you ever see his series Jekyll? In that one he did the same thing, taking the classic Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde story, putting it into a modern setting, and (most important IMO) *having some fun with it*. What he does is IMO closest to jazz in that he takes a familiar plot (melody), establishes it in the opening bars so that the audience knows what is being riffed on, and then fucks with it, taking it into new and more interesting directions. Like jazz itself, some in the audience can follow these riffs and explorations, and some cannot. On another level, where is the fun in doing a remake of a popular entertainment crafted for the sensibilities of people in another era that was completely different from ours? Conan Doyle's tales were aimed at the people of his time, and *at that time* they were new and interesting. Here was a detective using the new (at the time) scientific method to solve crimes, as opposed to the brute force method used by most of the real police and detectives of the time. Plus, back in that day it was easier to craft a whodunnit because audiences had not seen hundreds or thousands of them in their lifetimes and thus been trained how to figure out whodunnit in the first few pages or chapters. In my case, I've seen so many movies, read so many classic whodunnits, and watched so many TV detective series that if I *can't* figure out whodunnit by the halfway point of the show, it's a rarity. It almost never happens, because writers, actors, and directors telegraph their intentions, even when they're trying not to. It takes real out-of-the-box writing, acting, and directing to fool me...the only example I can think of at this moment being the brilliant film The Usual Suspects. Most writers and directors simply aren't good enough at misdirection to craft a whodunnit for modern times that is effective and yet still entertaining. But that word entertaining is still key. Conan Doyle and Stevenson wrote *popular entertainment for their times*. Moffat takes the originals, and turns them into equally popular entertainment for *his* time, and my bet is that he's doing it as much for his *own* benefit as the audience's. Where is the FUN or challenge of doing a remake? BORING. But take the basic scenario and riff on it as jazz, and it becomes FUN. I'll agree with you that Lars Mikkelsen (older brother of Mads Mikkelsen, so good in Hannibal) was a great villain. He was *much* more interesting to me than the series' Moriarty. I didn't mind all the jazz explorations of the characters around Sherlock and his own character because (as I've said many times) I'm more interested in good character development than in plot.That's where the writing rubber meets the road IMO. Moffat's always been good with characters. My first experience with him was with his classic comedy series Coupling. On the surface, it was a blatant ripoff of the American show Cheers, with a number of friends hanging around one joint and interacting. But IMO it was *much* better than Friends, and better written, funnier, and more clever. And part of the reason was that the characters were real *characters*. I've been lamenting lately no longer being able to find a certain clip from Coupling on YouTube, because Jeffrey's rap about and term for ex-girlfriends who refuse to admit that they have been dumped and turn into stalkers is the perfect metaphor for the situation I find myself in on FFL. He called them unflushables, drawing a parallel to those occasional giant turds that refuse to go forth gracefully out of one's life. :-) Anyway, I like Moffat. Yes, he tends to the flamboyant and the
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Sherlock: His Last Vow
Seraph, over the years I've enjoyed reading different versions of the Arthurian legend, especially the Merlin aspects. Mary Stewart's is my favorite: The Crystal Cave, The Hollow Hills, The Last Enchantment, etc. but I also enjoyed Mists of Avalon and the series by...senior moment, can't remember his name or any book title! Anyway, I thoroughly enjoy hearing a story told by different authors. Each telling enriches my experience of the others. As for Sherlock, my introduction to the character left me with a prejudice against him. Then much later I read a novel in which he's married! Then I liked him a little better (-: On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 8:54 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: We're going to have to agree to disagree on this series. And opinion seems equally divided on the comments below on-line reviews. For me, the whole point of the Holmes stories was to see the great man solving crimes. This series is far too involved in the characters of Holmes's immediate circle and is way too self indulgent. Watson's wife, Mary, is scarcely mentioned in the original Conan-Doyle stories; here she's become a central character and has out-stayed her welcome. Another example of the series being too much up itself is that the parents of Sherlock are played by Benedict Cumberbatch's real-life parents; and Watson's wife is played by Martin Freeman's real-life partner! Ugh! And can you buy Sherlock as a seducer of women? He's not James Bond. I watch the series as it does have some excellent set pieces. In this last episode the internal dialogue following Sherlock’s shooting was brilliant. And Charles Augustus Magnussen as Holmes's foe has to be one of the creepiest villains I've seen - even disturbingly perverse. (Pity we won't see him again.) The BBC also had a tie-in documentaryTimeshift: How to be Sherlock Holmes: The Many Faces of a Master Detective about the screen versions of Sherlock Holmes since 1900 which shows how our perception of the detective is as much influenced by film as by those Conan Doyle stories (and The Strand Magazine illustrations). Worth a look and available on BBC iPlayer for free. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03pzsd9
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sherlock: His Last Vow
Oopsie. Not so perfect a metaphor, given that his ex-girlfriends presumably thought he was a really neat dude before he dumped them. Also not so perfect given that he presumably liked them too at first, rather than having been stalking them since he first encountered them. I think Barry needs a little more coffee before he's able to make any sense. Jeffrey's rap about and term for ex-girlfriends who refuse to admit that they have been dumped and turn into stalkers is the perfect metaphor for the situation I find myself in on FFL. He called them unflushables, drawing a parallel to those occasional giant turds that refuse to go forth gracefully out of one's life. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sherlock: His Last Vow
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Oopsie. Not so perfect a metaphor, given that his ex-girlfriends presumably thought he was a really neat dude before he dumped them. Also not so perfect given that he presumably liked them too at first, rather than having been stalking them since he first encountered them. I think Barry needs a little more coffee before he's able to make any sense. I think he maybe needs less, the guy won't shut up this morning. I had to bypass at least three long screeds before I could get past it all. Contrary to what Bawwy thinks, I don't read all his stuff, far from it. Jeffrey's rap about and term for ex-girlfriends who refuse to admit that they have been dumped and turn into stalkers is the perfect metaphor for the situation I find myself in on FFL. He called them unflushables, drawing a parallel to those occasional giant turds that refuse to go forth gracefully out of one's life. :-)
[FairfieldLife] RE: Sherlock: His Last Vow
We're going to have to agree to disagree on this series. And opinion seems equally divided on the comments below on-line reviews. For me, the whole point of the Holmes stories was to see the great man solving crimes. This series is far too involved in the characters of Holmes's immediate circle and is way too self indulgent. Watson's wife, Mary, is scarcely mentioned in the original Conan-Doyle stories; here she's become a central character and has out-stayed her welcome. Another example of the series being too much up itself is that the parents of Sherlock are played by Benedict Cumberbatch's real-life parents; and Watson's wife is played by Martin Freeman's real-life partner! Ugh! And can you buy Sherlock as a seducer of women? He's not James Bond. I watch the series as it does have some excellent set pieces. In this last episode the internal dialogue following Sherlock’s shooting was brilliant. And Charles Augustus Magnussen as Holmes's foe has to be one of the creepiest villains I've seen - even disturbingly perverse. (Pity we won't see him again.) The BBC also had a tie-in documentary Timeshift: How to be Sherlock Holmes: The Many Faces of a Master Detective about the screen versions of Sherlock Holmes since 1900 which shows how our perception of the detective is as much influenced by film as by those Conan Doyle stories (and The Strand Magazine illustrations). Worth a look and available on BBC iPlayer for free. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03pzsd9 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03pzsd9
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sherlock: His Last Vow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com:-), wrote: We're going to have to agree to disagree on this series. And opinion seems equally divided on the comments below on-line reviews. For me, the whole point of the Holmes stories was to see the great man solving crimes. Ah. So you were hoping for a plot-driven series, and didn't like it when it turned out to be character-driven. No wonder you're disappointed. Elementary. :-)
