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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Community? Does the movement have no care program for its old? sympathetic care given to their own in the last days. Is the TMorg of Maharishi too consumed with fund-raising and building utopias to care about its people? -Doug in FF Maharishi has in recent times grown fond of using the phrase, Mind your own business. In minding their business, which part of his (Maharishi's) family is the stronger hand in his business? The Varmas or Shrivastavas? Just wondering about the family dynamics there, -Doug in FF
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In mind our own business he was referring only to not paying attention to the news but going deep into the TM and TM-Sidhi practice. Not about anything else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Community? Does the movement have no care program for its old? sympathetic care given to their own in the last days. Is the TMorg of Maharishi too consumed with fund-raising and building utopias to care about its people? -Doug in FF Maharishi has in recent times grown fond of using the phrase, Mind your own business. In minding their business, which part of his (Maharishi's) family is the stronger hand in his business? The Varmas or Shrivastavas? Just wondering about the family dynamics there, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:59 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and who shot themselves? M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page news in a town this size. I think this rumor may have been started by Knapp on his blog: Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM We have received a report this morning that a Maharishi University of Management recently committed suicide by a shot to the head. We hope to confirm this report this morning. We express condolences to the family and friends of the deceased. Seems to me that these happened in the past 5 or TEN years, not the last 1 or 2... Follow Up on Rumored MUM Suicide January 2007 Posted by Gina at 1/20/2007 01:42:00 AM My good friend in Fairfield checked with TM village criers. There is no word about a recent suicide on MUM campus. She said they calmly responded, THAT one is just a rumor. They continued with their cafe' dinner. Suicides and other tragic stories of medical financial neglect are common features of TM Organization life. Then she offered, but do you want to know about our community suicides of the last year or two? .. one woman put her head in an oven, another man hanged himself in his basement, and someone jumped in front of a moving train. It's all so sad.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and who shot themselves? Ah, another Neo-Advaitan. :-)
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On Jan 19, 2007, at 10:41 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: snip OK Doug H, you were the original poster. Who is dying and who committed suicide? Apparently Doug has checked out on this one. Starting rumors is a lot easier than confirming them, it would appear. Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:59 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and who shot themselves? M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page news in a town this size. I think this rumor may have been started by Knapp on his blog: Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier than that blog entry: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the rumor he read on FFL.
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M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page news in a town this size. I think this rumor may have been started by Knapp on his blog: Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier than that blog entry: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the rumor he read on FFL. I noticed this, too, just as I did my research after reading the first mention of the rumor here by searching the online version of the Fairfield Ledger. I couldn't find anything there or on Google or in any of the neighboring Iowa papers, so I chalked it up as a rumor, and didn't bother to comment on it here. Especially because a few others had already done so, asking for validation of the rumor. Compare and contrast to (what appears to be) John Knapp reading the rumor here, wanting to believe it were true and thus *not* doing his research, and printing it on his blog as truth. Also compare and contrast to one person here, reading John Knapp's blog and finding his version of the rumor, wanting to believe it was the source and thus *not* doing her research by checking the timestamps, and starting her own rumor that John was the original source of the first rumor. It seems to me that in both of those cases what is going on is a person who 1) has an agenda, and 2) is willing to forward or start rumors that *further* that agenda, without bothering to verify their validity. Fanatics against, fanatics for. Same modus operandi.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Community? I understand that someone committed suicide on campus the other day, shooting themselves in the head. Om, check with the Sherriff dept.? They were serving a paper to someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard a gunshot go off inside. They were glad that it was not pointed at them. Instead it was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head. Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is interesting that no one can comment on a public incident that did happened. Speak the sweet truth? One of the Utopia Park employees was with the deputy when it happened. Of course no names can be given so the deputies are very careful in the recount but descriptive of something that evidently happened this week. Everyone is cautious on all sides for different reasons of privacy. I was hoping someone like Sal who is more connected up here could come up with the name. It is a sad story and would be nice to know the name to lend support to anyone if needed. -Doug in FF
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Community? I understand that someone committed suicide on campus the other day, shooting themselves in the head. Om, check with the Sherriff dept.? They were serving a paper to someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard a gunshot go off inside. They were glad that it was not pointed at them. Instead it was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head. Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is interesting that no one can comment on a public incident that did happened. Speak the sweet truth? Also, sadly, speak the truth that might best serve family left behind, insurance-wise and in terms of notifying them. There are many reasons that police sometimes delay coming out with all the facts. I trust that someone else will follow up there in Fairfield and post further information when it becomes available. One of the Utopia Park employees was with the deputy when it happened. Of course no names can be given so the deputies are very careful in the recount but descriptive of something that evidently happened this week. Everyone is cautious on all sides for different reasons of privacy. Exactly. It doesn't necessarily have to be a coverup on the part of the university, although I think we all know that's a possibility. I was hoping someone like Sal who is more connected up here could come up with the name. It is a sad story and would be nice to know the name to lend support to anyone if needed. Well said. When something like this happens, we often tend to think of what the suicide *symbolizes*, in terms of our different beliefs or lack thereof. But it's also good to remember that suicide is a great deal more than a symbol, and affects a lot of very real people, most of whom are caught unawares by the action of someone they loved deeply. I had a brother who committed suicide. It's a bitch to deal with. My best thoughts and wishes to those who may be dealing with it there.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Om, check with the Sherriff dept.? They were serving a paper to someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard a gunshot go off inside. They were glad that it was not pointed at them. Instead it was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head. Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is interesting that no one can comment on a public incident that did happened. Speak the sweet truth? One of the Utopia Park employees was with the deputy when it happened. Of course no names can be given so the deputies are very careful in the recount but descriptive of something that evidently happened this week. Everyone is cautious on all sides for different reasons of privacy. I was hoping someone like Sal who is more connected up here could come up with the name. It is a sad story and would be nice to know the name to lend support to anyone if needed. This nicely ties up all the loose ends with the Purusha person dying at Utopia park, the suicide, except that none of it is confirmed except by Doug. Privacy rules when the police serve a warrant and hear a gunshot? Come on. That ain't how it works. This IS the stuff that makes the news. Come clean Doug. lurk
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On Jan 20, 2007, at 8:41 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: This nicely ties up all the loose ends with the Purusha person dying at Utopia park, the suicide, except that none of it is confirmed except by Doug. Privacy rules when the police serve a warrant and hear a gunshot? Come on. That ain't how it works. This IS the stuff that makes the news. Come clean Doug. Well, that's what I thought too. Aren't warrants, like arrests, public information? Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page news in a town this size. I think this rumor may have been started by Knapp on his blog: Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier than that blog entry: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the rumor he read on FFL. I noticed this, too, just as I did my research after reading the first mention of the rumor here by searching the online version of the Fairfield Ledger. I couldn't find anything there or on Google or in any of the neighboring Iowa papers, so I chalked it up as a rumor, and didn't bother to comment on it here. Especially because a few others had already done so, asking for validation of the rumor. Compare and contrast to (what appears to be) John Knapp reading the rumor here, wanting to believe it were true and thus *not* doing his research, and printing it on his blog as truth. Also compare and contrast to one person here, Barry, why do you occasionally become afraid of mentioning my name? reading John Knapp's blog and finding his version of the rumor, wanting to believe it was the source and thus *not* doing her research by checking the timestamps, and starting her own rumor that John was the original source of the first rumor. Timestamps, of course, may or may not tell the whole story about who started a rumor when. There *are* other means of communication than via public postings to the Web. Starting rumors is one of John Knapp's specialties, as Barry must remember from Knapp's earlier glory days. He can be quite clever about it too: he's entirely capable of making inquiries to certain Fairfield residents he knows post here in the hope that they'll say something about it, then once they've done so, repeating the rumor on his blog as if it hadn't come from him in the first place. Whether that's what happened in this case is still murky, but then I made it clear I was speculating about Knapp having started it. It seems to me that in both of those cases what is going on is a person who 1) has an agenda, and 2) is willing to forward or start rumors that *further* that agenda, without bothering to verify their validity. Actually I also checked the Fairfield papers before I posted. Fanatics against, fanatics for. Same modus operandi. You certainly could say I have an agenda where John Knapp is concerned: to let those who have never had any experience with him know (as Barry does as well) that they shouldn't take anything he says at face value.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page news in a town this size. I think this rumor may have been started by Knapp on his blog: Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier than that blog entry: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the rumor he read on FFL. I noticed this, too, just as I did my research after reading the first mention of the rumor here by searching the online version of the Fairfield Ledger. I couldn't find anything there or on Google or in any of the neighboring Iowa papers, so I chalked it up as a rumor, and didn't bother to comment on it here. Especially because a few others had already done so, asking for validation of the rumor. Compare and contrast to (what appears to be) John Knapp reading the rumor here, wanting to believe it were true and thus *not* doing his research, and printing it on his blog as truth. Also compare and contrast to one person here, Barry, why do you occasionally become afraid of mentioning my name? reading John Knapp's blog and finding his version of the rumor, wanting to believe it was the source and thus *not* doing her research by checking the timestamps, and starting her own rumor that John was the original source of the first rumor. Timestamps, of course, may or may not tell the whole story about who started a rumor when. There *are* other means of communication than via public postings to the Web. So you're still claiming that John started the rumor, the same one that was posted earlier here? Is this another time travel theory on your part, or do you have specifics in mind, rather than just inuendo. :-) Starting rumors is one of John Knapp's specialties, as Barry must remember from Knapp's earlier glory days. He can be quite clever about it too: he's entirely capable of making inquiries to certain Fairfield residents he knows post here in the hope that they'll say something about it, then once they've done so, repeating the rumor on his blog as if it hadn't come from him in the first place. Whether that's what happened in this case is still murky, but then I made it clear I was speculating about Knapp having started it. Note the above later, when I specify what Judy's agenda is. It seems to me that in both of those cases what is going on is a person who 1) has an agenda, and 2) is willing to forward or start rumors that *further* that agenda, without bothering to verify their validity. Actually I also checked the Fairfield papers before I posted. I notice that you didn't choose to deal with either point 1 or 2. Point 2 is now pretty much a given in your case, since you chose to start a rumor about John Knapp without verifying its validity, something that would have taken less than ten seconds. But as to point 1, *your* agenda, I would suggest that it is to demonize and discredit any critic of TM and Maharishi. You did so above. Having been caught doing it, you respond by doing it again. Fanatics against, fanatics for. Same modus operandi. You certainly could say I have an agenda where John Knapp is concerned: to let those who have never had any experience with him know (as Barry does as well) that they shouldn't take anything he says at face value. Funny, but that's your agenda with Vaj, and with me, with Paul Mason, and with numerous other people you've encountered on FFL, and previously, on a.m.t. H. What do they all have in common? They've all criticized TM and/or Maharishi. Unc P.S. The last paragraph is a setup for you to rush in and say, They're all LIARS or insert derogatory statement here...I've 'proved' it numerous times, thus 'proving'my point about *your* agenda. You don't like what these people say, and so you attempt to influence others to disregard what they say. That *is* your modus operandi; you're a one-trick pony. You may have convinced yourself that your agenda is against liars and intellectually dishonest people, Judy, but I don't think you've fooled many others.
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Suspiciously high caliber gun in this story. I've shot 44 mag rounds and it is a freak'n canon. Not a very enjoyable gun to shot for targets, and is overkill for self-defense. The kind of gun that someone who has a bunch of guns would have in his collection. In Utopia park? The mystery deepens! Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry: Scorpio freezes, looking at his gun, and Callahan utters the most famous lines in the movie: I know what you're thinking. 'Did he fire six shots or only five?' Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya, punk? (For detail nuts there is a 50 cal handgun now) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, check with the Sherriff dept.? They were serving a paper to someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard a gunshot go off inside. They were glad that it was not pointed at them. Instead it was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head. Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is interesting that no one can comment on a public incident that did happened. Speak the sweet truth? One of the Utopia Park employees was with the deputy when it happened. Of course no names can be given so the deputies are very careful in the recount but descriptive of something that evidently happened this week. Everyone is cautious on all sides for different reasons of privacy. I was hoping someone like Sal who is more connected up here could come up with the name. It is a sad story and would be nice to know the name to lend support to anyone if needed. This nicely ties up all the loose ends with the Purusha person dying at Utopia park, the suicide, except that none of it is confirmed except by Doug. Privacy rules when the police serve a warrant and hear a gunshot? Come on. That ain't how it works. This IS the stuff that makes the news. Come clean Doug. lurk
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Timestamps, of course, may or may not tell the whole story about who started a rumor when. There *are* other means of communication than via public postings to the Web. So you're still claiming that John started the rumor, the same one that was posted earlier here? How could I still claim this when I never claimed it to begin with? I'm pointing out, of course, that the timestamps don't prove anything either way about who started the rumor. snip It seems to me that in both of those cases what is going on is a person who 1) has an agenda, and 2) is willing to forward or start rumors that *further* that agenda, without bothering to verify their validity. Actually I also checked the Fairfield papers before I posted. I notice that you didn't choose to deal with either point 1 or 2. Actually I went on to deal with point 1, as you know, because you commented on it. Point 2 is now pretty much a given in your case, since you chose to start a rumor about John Knapp without verifying its validity, something that would have taken less than ten seconds. Gee, you're having reading comprehension problems today, Barry. The timestamps don't prove anything either way, as I already pointed out. Yes, I chose to *speculate*--again, on the basis of long experience with Knapp--that it was he who had started the rumor. snip You certainly could say I have an agenda where John Knapp is concerned: to let those who have never had any experience with him know (as Barry does as well) that they shouldn't take anything he says at face value. Funny, but that's your agenda with Vaj, and with me, with Paul Mason, and with numerous other people you've encountered on FFL, and previously, on a.m.t. H. What do they all have in common? They've all criticized TM and/or Maharishi. Unc P.S. The last paragraph is a setup for you to rush in and say, They're all LIARS or insert derogatory statement here...I've 'proved' it numerous times, thus 'proving'my point about *your* agenda. Well, no, that doesn't prove your point at all, of course. See below. You don't like what these people say, and so you attempt to influence others to disregard what they say. That *is* your modus operandi; you're a one-trick pony. Well, no, actually my modus operandi is to *demonstrate* that the TM critics who are consistently dishonest--like yourself, Vaj, and Knapp--can't be trusted. (And of course I have plenty of other tricks, such as, for example, rational argument, a trick that doesn't seem to be in your repertory at all.) You may have convinced yourself that your agenda is against liars and intellectually dishonest people, Judy, but I don't think you've fooled many others. (Barry's appeal-to-consensus mantra again: when he's having trouble making his point, he conjures up a vast chorus agreeing with him.) The problem with this fantasy, Barry, is that it doesn't account for the fact that I *don't* question the honesty of the vast majority of TM critics here.
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I agree. A .44 is a nasty canon. I like a .45. Keeps the heathens at bay. 9 mils are for the Pelosi crowd, tree-huggers and those that complain about global warming. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suspiciously high caliber gun in this story. I've shot 44 mag rounds and it is a freak'n canon. Not a very enjoyable gun to shot for targets, and is overkill for self-defense. The kind of gun that someone who has a bunch of guns would have in his collection. In Utopia park? The mystery deepens! Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry: Scorpio freezes, looking at his gun, and Callahan utters the most famous lines in the movie: I know what you're thinking. 'Did he fire six shots or only five?' Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya, punk? (For detail nuts there is a 50 cal handgun now) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, check with the Sherriff dept.? They were serving a paper to someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard a gunshot go off inside. They were glad that it was not pointed at them. Instead it was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head. Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is interesting that no one can comment on a public incident that did happened. Speak the sweet truth? One of the Utopia Park employees was with the deputy when it happened. Of course no names can be given so the deputies are very careful in the recount but descriptive of something that evidently happened this week. Everyone is cautious on all sides for different reasons of privacy. I was hoping someone like Sal who is more connected up here could come up with the name. It is a sad story and would be nice to know the name to lend support to anyone if needed. This nicely ties up all the loose ends with the Purusha person dying at Utopia park, the suicide, except that none of it is confirmed except by Doug. Privacy rules when the police serve a warrant and hear a gunshot? Come on. That ain't how it works. This IS the stuff that makes the news. Come clean Doug. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When something like this happens, we often tend to think of what the suicide *symbolizes*, in terms of our different beliefs or lack thereof. But it's also good to remember that suicide is a great deal more than a symbol, and affects a lot of very real people, most of whom are caught unawares by the action of someone they loved deeply. I had a brother who committed suicide. It's a bitch to deal with. My best thoughts and wishes to those who may be dealing with it there. Well said- I went through a similar experience, and you are right, the symbolic nature of the death obscures for those who didn't know the deceased the act felt in human terms by family and friends.
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Yeah the .45 is a real shooters gun. My friends who are really into competitions shoot that caliber. Fantastic accuracy. I opted for a Walther PPKS 380. I havn't shot it in years but it is a pleasure to shoot. I think a revolver is more practical for a self-defense piece but I was a target shooter. I used to go to a range that rented all the calibers so I could try them all. The 44 was so loud and there was a muzzle flash that was way too distracting for me to be accurate with it. Someone brought in an 9 mil Uzi with a 25 round clip once. It was semi-auto but when they kept it rolling you really wanted to hit the dirt. Cops who face those kind of guns on the street have balls of steel. It creates a primal terror to hear so many rounds go off. Shooting 38s in a 357 mag gun is a nice way to shoot. The heavy gun loaded with a lighter round helps you relax as you squeeze the trigger. I never could enjoy even a 357 mag round though. The kick was just too unpleasant for me to breath properly to be accurate. I guess my balls are of a softer alloy! But as Dirty Harry said A man's got to know his limitations! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. A .44 is a nasty canon. I like a .45. Keeps the heathens at bay. 9 mils are for the Pelosi crowd, tree-huggers and those that complain about global warming. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suspiciously high caliber gun in this story. I've shot 44 mag rounds and it is a freak'n canon. Not a very enjoyable gun to shot for targets, and is overkill for self-defense. The kind of gun that someone who has a bunch of guns would have in his collection. In Utopia park? The mystery deepens! Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry: Scorpio freezes, looking at his gun, and Callahan utters the most famous lines in the movie: I know what you're thinking. 'Did he fire six shots or only five?' Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya, punk? (For detail nuts there is a 50 cal handgun now) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Om, check with the Sherriff dept.? They were serving a paper to someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard a gunshot go off inside. They were glad that it was not pointed at them. Instead it was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head. Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is interesting that no one can comment on a public incident that did happened. Speak the sweet truth? One of the Utopia Park employees was with the deputy when it happened. Of course no names can be given so the deputies are very careful in the recount but descriptive of something that evidently happened this week. Everyone is cautious on all sides for different reasons of privacy. I was hoping someone like Sal who is more connected up here could come up with the name. It is a sad story and would be nice to know the name to lend support to anyone if needed. This nicely ties up all the loose ends with the Purusha person dying at Utopia park, the suicide, except that none of it is confirmed except by Doug. Privacy rules when the police serve a warrant and hear a gunshot? Come on. That ain't how it works. This IS the stuff that makes the news. Come clean Doug. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Community? And now also in utopia Park on campus is someone else, a longterm movement person who is passing away of some disease process. No money, no family, no primary care-giver, not able to hire anyone to nurse him in the end. The needs got figured out by friends this week. Bill Krist is in the final days with a brain tumor. In spirit and character he is doing well with it. Was moved to Parkview this week and is very fine with that. -Doug
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TurquoiseB wrote: You may have convinced yourself that your agenda is against liars and intellectually dishonest people, Judy, but I don't think you've fooled many others. So, it's all about Judy.
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Judy, We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up the news from an anonymous submitter to the blog and then read Doug Hamilton's posting on FFL. We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm it through authorities. We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We believed we had two sources, but without names and details and official confirmation we should not have posted the story. It's a mistake we will not make again. Our apologies to anyone disturbed by the publishing of an apparently fictional event. John M. Knapp, LMSW http://tmfree.blogspot.com/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up the news from an anonymous submitter to the blog and then read Doug Hamilton's posting on FFL. We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm it through authorities. We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We believed we had two sources, but without names and details and official confirmation we should not have posted the story. It's a mistake we will not make again. Tell us again about the time MMY was rumored to be sending small groups of fanatical true believers off to isolated camps in the jungle to await the nuclear holocaust, John.
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That's a significant distortion of a post nearly 10 years ago. You keep setting up straw dogs, Judy. I have little doubt you will be able to knock them down. John M. Knapp, LMSW http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: Judy, We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up the news from an anonymous submitter to the blog and then read Doug Hamilton's posting on FFL. We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm it through authorities. We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We believed we had two sources, but without names and details and official confirmation we should not have posted the story. It's a mistake we will not make again. Tell us again about the time MMY was rumored to be sending small groups of fanatical true believers off to isolated camps in the jungle to await the nuclear holocaust, John.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: Judy, We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up the news from an anonymous submitter to the blog and then read Doug Hamilton's posting on FFL. We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm it through authorities. We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We believed we had two sources, but without names and details and official confirmation we should not have posted the story. It's a mistake we will not make again. Tell us again about the time MMY was rumored to be sending small groups of fanatical true believers off to isolated camps in the jungle to await the nuclear holocaust, John. In other words, John can admit to making a mistake by posting his (seemingly false) rumor, but Judy cannot. Instead, when called on posting a seemingly equally false rumor, she re-attacks, and redoubles her efforts to discredit John. That said, Gina's post on TM-Free hardly con- stitutes a retraction, John. It's a Judy- style retraction, saying in essence, Ooops, we may have screwed up by publishing this bad stuff, but here is some *other* bad stuff you should know about the group we're dedicated to writing bad stuff about. To wit: Follow Up on Rumored MUM Suicide January 2007 Posted by Gina at 1/20/2007 01:42:00 AM My good friend in Fairfield checked with TM village criers. There is no word about a recent suicide on MUM campus. She said they calmly responded, THAT one is just a rumor. They continued with their cafe' dinner. Suicides and other tragic stories of medical financial neglect are common features of TM Organization life. Then she offered, But do you want to know about our community suicides of the last year or two? .. one woman put her head in an oven, another man hanged himself in his basement, and someone jumped in front of a moving train. It's all so sad. Hint: I think it's nice to claim that you published a retraction, but other than this post to FFL, I don't see one. So far there have been two different stories pre- sented here on FFL -- one claiming informa- tion from the Sheriff's office that such an event did take place, and others suggest- ing that it didn't. I suggest that we all wait to see which is which and then those who were mistaken can say so clearly, not with a cheap-shot Yeah, I might have been wrong about that first smut I posted, but here's some more smut for you. That's a trick you *learned* from Judy, John. If you don't want to be considered to be just like her, you'll do a better job with your next retraction, or avoid having to make one. For a blog that claims to be 99 and 44/100ths TM-free, that 56th of a percent is looking more than a little obsessive.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up the news from an anonymous submitter to the blog and then read Doug Hamilton's posting on FFL. We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm it through authorities. We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We believed we had two sources, but without names and details and official confirmation we should not have posted the story. It's a mistake we will not make again. You will do anything to harm yourself, no ?
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On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:03 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Then she offered, But do you want to know about our community suicides of the last year or two? .. one woman put her head in an oven, another man hanged himself in his basement, and someone jumped in front of a moving train. It's all so sad. I noticed that too, and couldn't believe that's what passes for credible information. I think what that is is a distillation of several TM suicides over a period of many years. Don't know anything about the oven story, but I do think someone in the DC community hanged himself--a *long* time ago. And I'm not sure about the train story, but I think that was also a long time ago here in FF--if at all. The idea that any of these things could happen recently and nobody would have heard of them is idiocy. Either that's a fake conversation, or the person doing the talking as well as the one doing the reporting needs to, I don't know--maybe get a life? Hint: I think it's nice to claim that you published a retraction, but other than this post to FFL, I don't see one. So far there have been two different stories pre- sented here on FFL -- one claiming informa- tion from the Sheriff's office that such an event did take place, and others suggest- ing that it didn't. I suggest that we all wait to see which is which and then those who were mistaken can say so clearly, not with a cheap-shot Yeah, I might have been wrong about that first smut I posted, but here's some more smut for you. That's a trick you *learned* from Judy, John. If you don't want to be considered to be just like her, you'll do a better job with your next retraction, or avoid having to make one. For a blog that claims to be 99 and 44/100ths TM-free, that 56th of a percent is looking more than a little obsessive.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. A .44 is a nasty canon. I like a .45. Keeps the heathens at bay. 9 mils are for the Pelosi crowd, tree-huggers and those that complain about global warming. I pity the fool who finds himself on the receiving end of a 9mm Hydra-Shok JHP.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [I wrote:] Tell us again about the time MMY was rumored to be sending small groups of fanatical true believers off to isolated camps in the jungle to await the nuclear holocaust, John. That's a significant distortion of a post nearly 10 years ago. From one of your June 1996 posts to alt.meditation.transcendental (emphases added): The Maharishi is SENDING SMALL GROUPS OF FANATICAL TRUE BELIEVERS OFF INTO THE JUNGLE with a nebulous mission and an apocalyptic vision. He's not saying if we're not careful, something will happen -- he's telling these people that war will break out at any minute. If there's one thing we've learned from Jonestown, Aum Shinrikyo, Waco, Solar Temple, et al, is that doomsday scenarios like this are absolute pressure cookers for the true believers involved. No matter what the Maharishi's motives are -- he may be pure as the driven snow for all I know -- I consider this a *very* dangerous situation. I've received several reports of TMers selling homes, breaking up families, and so forth to go wait out the 'biological war' due within weeks. Surely you can see that this is madness? I don't dismiss the very real dangers of biological wars and genetic manipulation. I just don't confuse these important issues with what appear to be the delusions of a mad man leading blind followers into ISOLATED CAMPS TO AWAIT A HOLOCAUST. Remember, up until the moment that the massacre at Jonestown took place, Jim Jones was considered a fine humanitarian -- perhaps at worst a little foolish. If you *knew* that Jonestown would happen, wouldn't you risk raising a false alarm? See the post on alt.meditation.transcendental: http://tinyurl.com/24z37e You keep setting up straw dogs, Judy. I have little doubt you will be able to knock them down. I didn't write the post, John, you did. The only thing I got wrong in my paraphrase was that it was a *biological* rather than a *nuclear* holocaust the fanatical TMers were to await in their isolated camps in the jungle. And, oh, yes, I misspoke when I suggested you had said it was rumored. Actually you insisted it was very much for real. Anybody who wants to see more of the same, much of it even more hysterical than the above, can check the thread Trancenet Alert on alt.meditation.transcendental. Press releases about the impending disaster were posted to at least 10 newsgroups, including alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.meditation, alt.support.ex-cult, alt.journalism, alt.conspiracy, alt.politics.perot, alt.politics, alt.politics.europe, alt.politics.greens, and alt.politics.india. Here's more, where Knapp quotes himself in one of the pseudo-press releases about the same crisis: John Knapp, editor of TranceNet, an Internet publication critical of the Maharishi, commented, This is a very dangerous signal. Cult leaders frequently use apocalyptic announcements to 'gather the faithful.' He pointed out that similar announcements preceded mass deaths at Jonestown, Waco, Aum Shinrikyo, and Solar Temple and other tragedies This is a frightening turn of events, said John Knapp. Anybody who lived through Jonestown and Aum can't fail to see the parallels. The Maharishi is creating small isolated groups of dedicated fanatics. Without contact with the outside world, they're being charged to carry out a mysterious apocalyptic vision. The Maharishi has never before painted such a doomsday scenario in my experience. It looks very bad. I hope that the authorities and the media take this situation very seriously so that a tragedy may be avoided. alt.meditation.transcendental: http://tinyurl.com/2za6yb What Knapp is referring to is one of MMY's projects, which involved governor couples setting up Maharishi Vedic Universities in various places in the third world (cities, not jungles) to teach the populace TM. And yet another press release with instructions for what to do during this crisis: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE What You Can Safely Do During This Crisis SAN FRANCISCO, Calif. -- June 11, 1996 Help Avert Another Jonestown Spread the Word Distribute this press release to every Usenet group and email address you believe would have a sincere interest. (Please avoid unjustified spamming -- this will make us more enemies than friends on the Net.) Gather Information Call your local Maharishi Vedic University (TM center) and ask for details about the Maharishi Vedic University Project. Call the President's Office of Maharishi University of Management, 515.472.1187, and ask for information. Also, TranceNet will posting frequent bulletins during this crisis. Send Information to TranceNet Whatever verifiable information you gather, send to TranceNet, via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED], via fax at 707.996.5560, via snailmail or courier at TranceNet, 1034 First Street West, Sonoma, CA 95476. Call Friends and Loved Ones in the TM Movement
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a significant distortion of a post nearly 10 years ago. Just to follow up: That it was 10 years ago you were screeching hysterically about fanatical TMers being sent to isolated camps in the jungle to await the holocaust only makes my point for me: You're doing now the same thing you were doing then, trying to start rumors based on unconfirmed information. Why we should expect that suddenly now you'd start being more careful about what you post, I'm not sure. And of course what I wrote wasn't a distortion at all, as we can all see from the quotes in my earlier post. So you've just confirmed what I said about your untrustworthiness.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: Judy, We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up the news from an anonymous submitter to the blog and then read Doug Hamilton's posting on FFL. We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm it through authorities. We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We believed we had two sources, but without names and details and official confirmation we should not have posted the story. It's a mistake we will not make again. Tell us again about the time MMY was rumored to be sending small groups of fanatical true believers off to isolated camps in the jungle to await the nuclear holocaust, John. In other words, John can admit to making a mistake by posting his (seemingly false) rumor, but Judy cannot. What on earth makes you think we should trust John's story about having heard the rumor from somebody else? In any case, as you know, my comment had to do with his never again claim. He's been doing this kind of thing for well over 10 years; why should we assume he's suddenly going to stop now?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:59 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and who shot themselves? M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page news in a town this size. I think this rumor may have been started by Knapp on his blog: Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier than that blog entry: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the rumor he read on FFL. Rumors from FFL. Now THERE is a reliable source of information...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page news in a town this size. I think this rumor may have been started by Knapp on his blog: Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier than that blog entry: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the rumor he read on FFL. I noticed this, too, just as I did my research after reading the first mention of the rumor here by searching the online version of the Fairfield Ledger. I couldn't find anything there or on Google or in any of the neighboring Iowa papers, so I chalked it up as a rumor, and didn't bother to comment on it here. Especially because a few others had already done so, asking for validation of the rumor. Compare and contrast to (what appears to be) John Knapp reading the rumor here, wanting to believe it were true and thus *not* doing his research, and printing it on his blog as truth. Also compare and contrast to one person here, reading John Knapp's blog and finding his version of the rumor, wanting to believe it was the source and thus *not* doing her research by checking the timestamps, and starting her own rumor that John was the original source of the first rumor. It seems to me that in both of those cases what is going on is a person who 1) has an agenda, and 2) is willing to forward or start rumors that *further* that agenda, without bothering to verify their validity. Fanatics against, fanatics for. Same modus operandi. Eh. If you're talking about me, I never noticed the time-stamps or I would have said something.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Community? I understand that someone committed suicide on campus the other day, shooting themselves in the head. Om, check with the Sherriff dept.? They were serving a paper to someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard a gunshot go off inside. They were glad that it was not pointed at them. Instead it was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head. Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is interesting that no one can comment on a public incident that did happened. Speak the sweet truth? One of the Utopia Park employees was with the deputy when it happened. Of course no names can be given so the deputies are very careful in the recount but descriptive of something that evidently happened this week. Everyone is cautious on all sides for different reasons of privacy. I was hoping someone like Sal who is more connected up here could come up with the name. It is a sad story and would be nice to know the name to lend support to anyone if needed. -Doug in FF A death can be reported. A suicide can also be reported. Are you sure it wasn't merely a self-inflicted injury, which can often be accidental (not that gunshot deaths aren't often accidental as well).
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. A .44 is a nasty canon. I like a .45. Keeps the heathens at bay. 9 mils are for the Pelosi crowd, tree-huggers and those that complain about global warming. Bah. GIve me the handgun developed to handle the Visiters in Alien Nation any day...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page news in a town this size. I think this rumor may have been started by Knapp on his blog: Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier than that blog entry: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the rumor he read on FFL. I noticed this, too, just as I did my research after reading the first mention of the rumor here by searching the online version of the Fairfield Ledger. I couldn't find anything there or on Google or in any of the neighboring Iowa papers, so I chalked it up as a rumor, and didn't bother to comment on it here. Especially because a few others had already done so, asking for validation of the rumor. Compare and contrast to (what appears to be) John Knapp reading the rumor here, wanting to believe it were true and thus *not* doing his research, and printing it on his blog as truth. Also compare and contrast to one person here, reading John Knapp's blog and finding his version of the rumor, wanting to believe it was the source and thus *not* doing her research by checking the timestamps, and starting her own rumor that John was the original source of the first rumor. It seems to me that in both of those cases what is going on is a person who 1) has an agenda, and 2) is willing to forward or start rumors that *further* that agenda, without bothering to verify their validity. Fanatics against, fanatics for. Same modus operandi. Eh. If you're talking about me, I never noticed the time-stamps or I would have said something. I don't think Barry believes you're a girl, Lawson. Although with Barry, you never know...
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On Jan 19, 2007, at 11:05 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:59 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and who shot themselves? M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page news in a town this size. That's because they're just *unstressing* -- it's just the nervous system purifying! In a Vedic city, these things are normal.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Community? . Does the movement have no care program for its old? sympathetic care given to their own in the last days. Is the TMorg of Maharishi too consumed with fund-raising and building utopias to care about its people? -Doug in FF Thanks Mark, this answers my question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Notables in the tmo tend to have money which helps in that situation. The problem is with purushas and MDs (and other full timer staff) who get kicked off if diagnosed with a disease and they have little to no money and are generally estranged from their families - their spiritual group was their family but that's taken from them when they get sick which is the time they need that kind of support. OFten they still have ideas about ayurved or yagyas curing them which motivates them to make foolish treatment choices. PLus they're out in the world maybe for the first time in decades which would be difficult enough for them even without being sick. This has created a very difficult situation for many people and it's only going to increase in frequency as the baby boomers in the tmo approach their 60s.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somehow I would bet that if there were old people in the Ammachi movement or several other spiritual movements that there would be sympathetic care given to their own in the last days. Not sure about this. Has this task ever been a part of spiritual groups except some religious entities? Is the TMorg of Maharishi too consumed with fund-raising and building utopias to care about its people? This latest deal - how can the TB's buy into it? lurk
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 19, 2007, at 5:42 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: I understand that someone committed suicide on campus the other day, shooting themselves in the head. And now also in utopia Park on campus is someone else, a longterm movement person who is passing away of some disease process. No money, no family, no primary care-giver, not able to hire anyone to nurse him in the end. Well, who are these people, Doug? I hadn't heard about either of them, not that I'm exactly in the know. But I would think the former at least would have made local news. John Knapp is starting up his website again (Kudos to the rivalmeditation school that did the public service to keep the archives available for so long...), so I'm sure he will have all the skinny on everything evil in the TMO before long... A guy who has been on the Purusha program for years with the movement, come here to FF to die. Does the movement have no care program for its old? Somehow I would bet that if there were old people in the Ammachi movement or several other spiritual movements that there would be sympathetic care given to their own in the last days. Is the TMorg of Maharishi too consumed with fund-raising and building utopias to care about its people? Well, yeah, and has been for quite a while now.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 19, 2007, at 5:42 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: I understand that someone committed suicide on campus the other day, shooting themselves in the head. And now also in utopia Park on campus is someone else, a longterm movement person who is passing away of some disease process. No money, no family, no primary care-giver, not able to hire anyone to nurse him in the end. Well, who are these people, Doug? I hadn't heard about either of them, not that I'm exactly in the know. But I would think the former at least would have made local news. John Knapp is starting up his website again (Kudos to the rivalmeditation school that did the public service to keep the archives available for so long...), so I'm sure he will have all the skinny on everything evil in the TMO before long... A guy who has been on the Purusha program for years with the movement, come here to FF to die. Does the movement have no care program for its old? Somehow I would bet that if there were old people in the Ammachi movement or several other spiritual movements that there would be sympathetic care given to their own in the last days. Is the TMorg of Maharishi too consumed with fund-raising and building utopias to care about its people? Well, yeah, and has been for quite a while now. Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and who shot themselves?
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On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:59 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and who shot themselves? M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page news in a town this size. Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:59 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and who shot themselves? M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page news in a town this size. Sal No, I'm in Oregon and read the FF Ledger online. I think I'll check the obituaries since no one is willing to say. It is odd to me that everyone talks about stuff but never uses names ARG
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:59 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and who shot themselves? M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page news in a town this size. I think this rumor may have been started by Knapp on his blog: Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM We have received a report this morning that a Maharishi University of Management recently committed suicide by a shot to the head. We hope to confirm this report this morning. We express condolences to the family and friends of the deceased.
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snip OK Doug H, you were the original poster. Who is dying and who committed suicide?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:59 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and who shot themselves? M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page news in a town this size. I think this rumor may have been started by Knapp on his blog: Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM We have received a report this morning that a Maharishi University of Management recently committed suicide That's [sic], BTW. by a shot to the head. We hope to confirm this report this morning. Not confirmed yet. We express condolences to the family and friends of the deceased. Whether there is one or not...
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I just called the hospital in Fairfield, and although they are not permitted to give out information on such things; It appeared from the initial conversation with the nurse there; There have been no reported suicides this past week in the FF area. Also, checked Google-news, and there is not a report on this. This could be a very nasty type of rumor, to say the least. Suicide is never a good option, and for anyone to start such a rumor is abominable act. R.G.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:59 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote: Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and who shot themselves? M2, you're on campus, right? Heard anything about any suicides? I haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page news in a town this size. I think this rumor may have been started by Knapp on his blog: Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM We have received a report this morning that a Maharishi University of Management recently committed suicide by a shot to the head. We hope to confirm this report this morning. We express condolences to the family and friends of the deceased. Anyone else get visions of a scaley amphibian reptile weeping?
