[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anti-TM Fundies' Dilemma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 23, 2007, at 9:37 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Below is the Anti-TM Fundies' Dilemma that drives them crazy, so they ignore it and go off making crappy jokes to each other, or changing the subject to Cajun Cooking Tips or some other nonsense: There will never come a time when Science (research published in peer- reviewed scientific journals) will be superceded by New Age self-agrandizing dribble. This is the reality of life. This is the modern world. You need to accept this new realization to become liberated . If this is indeed the case (I suspect it is not) then you should expect to see TM and the TMSP fade from view. Recent scientific studies on meditation show the results of meditators in actual samadhi and show a profound level of gamma coherence, one of the primary markers for samadhi. These same markers are not present in TM. Also deep meditators show a market decrease in metabolic rate 5-6 times deeper than relaxation techniques like TM. It could just be that legitimate science will make inferior methods a thing of the past as spiritual consumers actually choose methods which really do work. Great. I'm all for it ! If something comes along and gets much better and more verified published results than TM, and can produce better health benifits long-term, and can show how it helps schoolchildren as good or better than TM, then I am all for it. As it stands right now, the US National Institutes for Health have given over 20 million dollars in research grant money to research TM based on previous studies efficacy, a non-meditating judge in Missouri is trying to study the effects of TM to have it intordueced as a court option, research is ongoing on TM in at least 5 major US state universities, and there are over 200 studies published in peer- reviewed scientific journals worldwide on TM and TM-Sidhis. For a different meditation there are maybe one or two studies, and very little interest by serious scientific or other bodies. It will take 30 years for any other meditation to reach the level TM is at, so good luck to them. I am all for it and if something shows efficacy, it should be studied further, not ignored. Problem with the Buddhist study you spoke of is the EEG showed intense effort, whereas TM shows effortlessness. But maybe 30 years from now something with even better results than TM will have become as broadly establishedbut what a waste of time waiting for it. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anti-TM Fundies' Dilemma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Below is the Anti-TM Fundies' Dilemma that drives them crazy, so they ignore it and go off making crappy jokes to each other, or changing the subject to Cajun Cooking Tips or some other nonsense: There will never come a time when Science (research published in peer- reviewed scientific journals) will be superceded by New Age self-agrandizing dribble. This is the reality of life. This is the modern world. You need to accept this new realization to become liberated . Likewise, the TM Fundies need to realize that nonduality, Brahman, Self knowing Self, etc. are beyond the scope of science. If you want real liberation, stop looking for it in bondage to different and esoteric states of duality.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Anti-TM Fundies' Dilemma
On May 24, 2007, at 8:15 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Below is the Anti-TM Fundies' Dilemma that drives them crazy, so they ignore it and go off making crappy jokes to each other, or changing the subject to Cajun Cooking Tips or some other nonsense: There will never come a time when Science (research published in peer- reviewed scientific journals) will be superceded by New Age self-agrandizing dribble. This is the reality of life. This is the modern world. You need to accept this new realization to become liberated . Likewise, the TM Fundies need to realize that nonduality, Brahman, Self knowing Self, etc. are beyond the scope of science. If you want real liberation, stop looking for it in bondage to different and esoteric states of duality. ...or what are actually exoteric advertising tracts and marketing shenanigans. TM research should be viewed at the same level of suspicion that one would look at a report on global warming by Exxon or a cigarrette safety study by Phillip-Morris.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anti-TM Fundies' Dilemma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Below is the Anti-TM Fundies' Dilemma that drives them crazy, so they ignore it and go off making crappy jokes to each other, or changing the subject to Cajun Cooking Tips or some other nonsense: There will never come a time when Science (research published in peer- reviewed scientific journals) will be superceded by New Age self-agrandizing dribble. This is the reality of life. This is the modern world. You need to accept this new realization to become liberated . Likewise, the TM Fundies need to realize that nonduality, Brahman, Self knowing Self, etc. are beyond the scope of science. If you want real liberation, stop looking for it in bondage to different and esoteric states of duality. Scientific studies was not done to convince TM-ers but was an offer to the scientific community.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anti-TM Fundies' Dilemma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Below is the Anti-TM Fundies' Dilemma that drives them crazy, so they ignore it and go off making crappy jokes to each other, or changing the subject to Cajun Cooking Tips or some other nonsense: There will never come a time when Science (research published in peer- reviewed scientific journals) will be superceded by New Age self-agrandizing dribble. This is the reality of life. This is the modern world. You need to accept this new realization to become liberated . OffWorld You said it !
