[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Chain]
I wrote about this to quite a few people. NoBody except Sir Rick Archer bothered to reply. I think this idea of Superiority has become a Dogma. The sooner the TM movement gets rid of this Chain [Golden Chain] the better off it will be. I think it's Voltaire who said, "Only fools rever the chains that bind them." TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:16:13 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes So were you. It was part and parcel of the TM teaching. And furthermore, YOU still believe it, Shemp; it is part and parcel of what you say on this forum. YOU are the onewho keeps saying that TM is all you need. All we're sayingis that you were actually taught to believe that, something you seem to have forgotten.The issue, as I see it, is that the TM approach tospiritual development *IS* seriously limited, and in my opinion deals with primarily "elementary school"aspects of the enlightenment process. Knowing this,and knowing that he didn't really have anything to offer *other* than elementary school topics, Maharishihas since pretty much Day One endeavored to makepeople comfortable with staying in elementary schoolforever.First, he made it "off the program" to read books from other traditions or see other teachers. This is smart because if you never know that there is more out there than the TM movement offers, you'll never miss it. Second, Maharishi created a *very* strong "TM is thebest and *all* other techniques and traditions are lesser" mindset in his students. You see it here *EVERY DAY*, whether it manifests itself as the pure bigotry of a Bob Brigante or just the ignorance of TMers who are just "believin' what they were told." This mindset contributes to people being complacentabout what they are taught by the TM movement and accepting of it as "all that *needs* to be taught." They think, "*Because* all other techniques and traditions are lesser than TM, what could they possibly have to teach me?" They have so thoroughly accepted the "TM is best" bullshit that it has become a set of blinders for them, keeping them from even *noticing* that there are huge aspects of the spiritual process that TM doesn't even touch on in its teachings.Third, Maharishi created an Inquisition-like arm of the TM movement, whose job it is to come down on those for which the first two techniques don't work, and who *were* curious enough to study other traditions. When that happens, the first step is usually a proclamation, declaring that "IT'S NOT TM" and will not be countenanced. (Similar to the recent proclamation about diksha.) The next step after that is to excommunicate anyone who still persists in this "off the program" activity.At the end of the process, you have gotten rid of any-one who had the first-hand experience of having learned things of value that the TM movement doesn't teach (or in many cases, even know about), *and* you have created an example for the remaining students of *what happens to them* if they *dare* to learn anything but the elementary school stuff fed to them by the TMO.It's a pretty fascinating cycle to watch, even after all these years. The only thing I can really feel about it all is compassion for those who have submitted to this stuff, and even more compassion for those who claim it wasn't done to them, and that they became the TM bigots they are all on their own. I mean, compassion IS in order; there are a lot of smart people on the TM internet forums who really could have done something with their spiritual aspirations. But instead they *settled* for repeating elementary school over and over and over, in some cases for thirty years or more. And now they spend their days lashing out at anyone who suggests *that* they settled for elementary school. It's really a mindstate to be pitied, not reacted to. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Chain]
Once again, for some reason Barry's posts aren't showing up on the Web site, so I'm quoting from Jason's response. [Barry wrote:] So were you. It was part and parcel of the TM teaching. And furthermore, YOU still believe it, Shemp; it is part and parcel of what you say on this forum. YOU are the onewho keeps saying that TM is all you need. All we're saying is that you were actually taught to believe that, something you seem to have forgotten. (Not sure who the we is here.) The sort of people who aren't very deep or rigorous thinkers may well believe something simply because it was taught to them; apparently that was the case with Barry when he was in the movement, so he imputes this tendency in a blanket fashion to anyone who agrees with something taught by the movement, because he can't conceive of any other way of arriving at that particular point of view. But of course that *isn't* the only way, not for people who use their brains. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Chain]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again, for some reason Barry's posts aren't showing up on the Web site, so I'm quoting from Jason's response. [Barry wrote:] So were you. It was part and parcel of the TM teaching. And furthermore, YOU still believe it, Shemp; it is part and parcel of what you say on this forum. YOU are the onewho keeps saying that TM is all you need. All we're saying is that you were actually taught to believe that, something you seem to have forgotten. I missed this post of Barry's altogether (so, Barry, if you're wondering why I didn't respond it's because I never saw it!). Anyone have a message number for it so I can read it and respond? (Not sure who the we is here.) The sort of people who aren't very deep or rigorous thinkers may well believe something simply because it was taught to them; apparently that was the case with Barry when he was in the movement, so he imputes this tendency in a blanket fashion to anyone who agrees with something taught by the movement, because he can't conceive of any other way of arriving at that particular point of view. But of course that *isn't* the only way, not for people who use their brains. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes [Chain]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Once again, for some reason Barry's posts aren't showing up on the Web site, so I'm quoting from Jason's response. [Barry wrote:] So were you. It was part and parcel of the TM teaching. And furthermore, YOU still believe it, Shemp; it is part and parcel of what you say on this forum. YOU are the onewho keeps saying that TM is all you need. All we're saying is that you were actually taught to believe that, something you seem to have forgotten. I missed this post of Barry's altogether (so, Barry, if you're wondering why I didn't respond it's because I never saw it!). Anyone have a message number for it so I can read it and respond? The original isn't *on* the Web site, Shemp (see the first line at the top of my post). But if you click the Up Thread box, far left at the top of your screen, you can trace a thread back, and you'll get to Jason's post, which quoted Barry's in full. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
