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Also of interest in this context: http://www.kkswami.com/texts/vows/reference/deviant-vaisnava-sects.php Kirtan Vaishnava Janato Translation One who is a vaishnav Knows the pain of others Does good to others, esp. to those ones who are in misery Does not let pride enter his mind A Vaishnav, Tolerates and praises the the entire world Does not say bad things about anyone Keeps his/her words, actions and thoughts pure O Vaishnav, your mother is blessed (dhanya-dhanya) A Vaishnav sees everything equally, rejects greed and avarice Considers some one else's wife/daughter as his mother The toungue may get tired, but will never speak lies Does not even touch someone else's property A Vaishnav does not succumb to worldly attachments Who has devoted himself to stauch detachment to worldly pleasures Who has been edicted to the elixir coming by the name of Ram For whom all the religious sites are in the mind Who has no greed and deciet Who has renounced lust of all types and anger The poet Narsi will like to see such a person By who's virtue, the entire family gets salvation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIvCtJEispY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus" wrote: > > > > > > > The nutcase Steve Perino is back... > > > > > > coldbluiceman: > > > So what has your statement done to refute the > > > undiluted facts of history? > > > > > > The following report is a preliminary social > > > analysis of the > > > so-called 'rasavada', a minor deviant tantric > > > sect... > > > Ras Report Part 2: > > The so-called 'ras-lila' is a discredited deviant > cult, where the proponents wear the red tilaka, > and the neck beads, and the special shawl, and > they obstain from the flesh foods. > > But, the prakriti-sahajiyas are counted out of > the main line of Sri Chaitanya, not because of > their mundane titilations, but because of a subtle > basic contamination in their sadhana. Owing to > this topsy-turvey psychic confabulation, the > rasavadis imagine themselves more learned in > the scriptures than the original Vedic Rishis > themselves! > > Tantra - Shiva-Shakti Polarity Symbolism > > The rasavadis are devotees of Sri Laksmi, but > they impose upon Her the role of Radha, the > free enjoyer, the married village cow-woman of > Barsana, and they style Sri Krishna of Braj as > the Lord Himself; a dark lusty village youth, > with themselves as the village gopi girls, > dancing the rasa-dance under the autumn moon. > > Some rasavadi sahjiya miscreants even claim > that Sri Krishna's second wife, out of 16,000, > (Visnupriya Devi) is actually the Goddess of > Fortune Herself, who descends into existence > as a formation-combination of male and female > principles, purusha and prakriti. > > The rasiks believe that they can harmonize > these two within themselves through 'divine-love' > generation in the bodily union of man and woman > through tantric yoga, which is identified as > the mahabhava of Sri Shiva-Shakti. > > The Gopi Cult of Radharasvahari > > Monks and nuns who imitate the confidential > girlfriends of Srimati Radharani and Her > pastimes, by dressing up as sari-bekhis, > i.e., a man in womens clothing, who imagines > himself to be the enjoyed of Sri Krishna. In > the case of females of the rasavadi cult, since > they are already dressed in saris, apparently, > they must be serving the guru in other diverse > and sundry ways! >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaisnava baloney..so says you LOL!
> > > The nutcase Steve Perino is back... > > > > coldbluiceman: > > So what has your statement done to refute the > > undiluted facts of history? > > > > The following report is a preliminary social > > analysis of the > > so-called 'rasavada', a minor deviant tantric > > sect... > Ras Report Part 2: The so-called 'ras-lila' is a discredited deviant cult, where the proponents wear the red tilaka, and the neck beads, and the special shawl, and they obstain from the flesh foods. But, the prakriti-sahajiyas are counted out of the main line of Sri Chaitanya, not because of their mundane titilations, but because of a subtle basic contamination in their sadhana. Owing to this topsy-turvey psychic confabulation, the rasavadis imagine themselves more learned in the scriptures than the original Vedic Rishis themselves! Tantra - Shiva-Shakti Polarity Symbolism The rasavadis are devotees of Sri Laksmi, but they impose upon Her the role of Radha, the free enjoyer, the married village cow-woman of Barsana, and they style Sri Krishna of Braj as the Lord Himself; a dark lusty village youth, with themselves as the village gopi girls, dancing the rasa-dance under the autumn moon. Some rasavadi sahjiya miscreants even claim that Sri Krishna's second wife, out of 16,000, (Visnupriya Devi) is actually the Goddess of Fortune Herself, who descends into existence as a formation-combination of male and female principles, purusha and prakriti. The rasiks believe that they can harmonize these two within themselves through 'divine-love' generation in the bodily union of man and woman through tantric yoga, which is identified as the mahabhava of Sri Shiva-Shakti. The Gopi Cult of Radharasvahari Monks and nuns who imitate the confidential girlfriends of Srimati Radharani and Her pastimes, by dressing up as sari-bekhis, i.e., a man in womens clothing, who imagines himself to be the enjoyed of Sri Krishna. In the case of females of the rasavadi cult, since they are already dressed in saris, apparently, they must be serving the guru in other diverse and sundry ways!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaisnava baloney..so says you LOL!
> > The nutcase Steve Perino is back... > > coldbluiceman: > So what has your statement done to refute the > undiluted facts of history? > The following report is a preliminary social analysis of the so-called 'rasavada', a minor deviant tantric sect, and is based on years of field studies in the holy land of Braj, India, including personal extended ritual gleanings of insider information concerning the 'rasavada' proclivities, and other unspecified baula-kama practices, and through observation in which various and sundry phrases were overheard at camp-meets. [That's me sitting in back.] Only known photo ever taken inside the Barsana Dham: WARNING: This report may be upsetting to some people! The 'bhakti' prema (spontaneous devotional love) of the bhakti devotional sects has been described in the Vedic literature as "the unbroken flow of hot oil being poured from one vessel to another." In fact, bhakti is a yoga - the culmination of meditation in which love seems to spontaneously overwhelm the sadhak with genuine feelings of ecstasy and bliss toward the Transcendental Person, the Purusha. To adepts of bhakti yoga, the meditative experience of unity consciousness is just like enjoying the divine nectar of heavenly ambrosia, that is, Ras, the 'nectar' of life itself. The Nectar of Immortality However, sometimes the term 'rasa' refers to certain base persons who merely imitate the moods of prema, love, for material gain or for personal enjoyment. Certain 'rasiks' imagine that they feel the divine emotions of Bala Krishna, Gopala Krishna, or even Srimati Radharani herself! Yet, these rascally persons do not understand that the term 'rasa' means transcendental nectar, not in the sense of mundane enjoyment, but nectar in the sense of effortless, spontaneous, transcendental, devotional service. These stubborn sense-enjoyers and materialistic nihilists may have a talent for singing, dancing, acting, mood-making, and seducing women or men, and they may try to pass these proclivities off as spiritual accomplishments, and they may even dress like Sri Krishna or Srimati Radharani, but genuine devotees who practice true bhakti super-conscious meditation, never confuse the spiritual life with intoxication and mundane eroticism.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaisnava baloney..so says you LOL!
So what has your statement done to refute the undiluted facts of history? Oh let me guess if you cannot intellectually debate FACTS ..then attack the mesenger! Sounds so right wing ..like Fox News..LOL!! FACT--Sri Adi Shankar was a Viashnava Sanyasi!! Hence the orange/saffron colored dhotis & kurtha that even Sri Brahmananda wore, and all the Dandi Sanyasi Jagadgurus and their disciples wear to this day. And have worn since the 8th century BCE!! FACT-Sri Adi Shankar started the tradition of wearing orange! FACT-- Sri Adi Shankar taught Bhakti to Lord Govinda/God/Ishtadevata! FACT-- Bhakti to Personal Form of Ishtadevata/God is taught in all of Sri Adi Shankar's Asrham for past 2000+ years!! FACT- I was the PRIME and ONLY Subject in the 1987 study conducted at Luther College at the Sleep and Dream Lab of Dr. Moorecroft', and presented to the International Sleep & Dream Symposium Oslo Norway. I was the only person to not only demonstrate 'unity consciouness" to the satisfaction of 4 PhD researchers BUT my abstract withstood the rigorious scrutiny of the entire scientific community. FACT- Not ONE single "purusha" or "mother divine" TM-er has even repeated what I had sccomplished SO-Here is my post AGAIN ..and PLEASE do your ABSOLUTE best to try and refute the FACTS FACT--With regards to TM and anything Mahesh Yogi wrote or ever said about God was from his own perspective.. Nothing Mahesh Yogi said was regarding God was remotely accurate!! Just look at Mahesh Yogi's teacher-- Sri Brahmananda -- whom referred to God as Ishtadevata. Or to use your own words- "Vaishnavas, and they believe in a qualified monism,visisht advaita.." Mahesh Yogi's own master - Sri Brahmananda was a Hindu/ Vaishnavav who taught Bhakti as qualified monism to Ishtadevata. Sri Brahmamnada gave out names of God/Ishtadevata or "mantras" to be "used in worship" as He himself even lectured countless times. Sri Brahmananda had 6 names of Ishtadevata that He used to teach to his disciples, and ONLY ONE of the names of God/Ishtadevata(or mantra) was used for worship of Nirkar Brahma (the formless form of God). The other five mantras related directly to Sakar Brahma- God in His personal Form-(either Ram or Vishnu or Shakti, etc). It is important to keep this in mind! If you don't believe me look at Paul Mason webpage devoted to Sri Brahmananda..it is all there from Sri Brhamananda's own lectures and interviews given by His disciples!! Which brings us to the - Holy Tradition -that Mahesh Yogi conjured up starting with Sri Adi Shankar.. Who also taught and was (to use your own words) "Vaishnavas, and they believe in a qualified monism, visisht advaita.." Sri Adi Shankar defeated the Buddhists with the philosphy of advait vedanta. But Sri Adi Shankar did not teach advait vedanta. Sri Adi Shankar taught devotion/bhakti to Sri Govinda (Lord Krishna). It is a fact .. As I can cite all of Sri Adi Shankar Ashrams from Puri to Dwarika to Jyosimath to Kanchi to Varanasi..all teach as you pointed out "Vaishnavas, and they believe in a qualified monism, visisht advaita"! So what are we left with regards to Mahesh Yogi? Now based upon MY OWN experiences to which I was asked to "PROVE" or "DEMONSTRATE" by- Dr. Charles Alexander, PhD at MIU in 1986.. So I spent 7 nights over the course of 9 months in Dr. Moorecroft's sleep and dream lab at Luther College in Decorah, Iowa. The study that I was only PRIME subject tested was overseen by Dr. Jayne Gackenback, PhD University Northern Iowa at Waterloo, Ia and Dr. Stephen LaBerge, PhD Stanford University, and Dr. Charles Alexander, PhD MIU. Here at this website you can read the results of the study done on me as submitted to the International Symposium of Sleep and Dream Research in Oslo Norway in 1987... http://www.spiritwatch.ca/ A portion of the study said this about me-, .."This TM subject (TMS) was a 28 year old male who had been meditating for 5.8 years and received one of the highest scores thus far recorded on an inventory designed to assess self reports of the attainment of higher states of consciousness (Stage of Consciousness Inventory (SCI); Alexander, Davis, Dillbeck, Dixon, Oetzel & Muehlman, in press). Further, he received low scores on the SCI scales which assess psychopathology and tendency to endorse misleading, grandiose sounding statements. During TM practice he displayed exceptionally high amplitude alpha spindles across all EEG channels and periods of respiratory suspension (Kesterson, 1985)..." What does this have to do with "Unity Consciousness" ..well I had proven beyond any doubt that I had established this "unity consciousness" and furthermore I was the only person willing to subject themselves to the rigirous scrutiny of the entire scientific community to prove it. I can tell you this that the "unity consciousness" that these TM-ers dearly seek is a complete waste of time as it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with God/Ishatdev
