[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India

2005-11-05 Thread sparaig
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> I have used 'Maharishi Ayurveda' and 'Sri Sri Ayurveda' 
products by SriSri.Ravishankarji.  Looks OK, but,
>  
> You should walk into many of the thousands of small  Herbal 
medicine production units in india.  Formulas are not always 
followed.  If an ingredient is not available it is left out.  Raw 
materials dumped on the floor and people walking in through them with 
their dirty feet.!!
>  
>  But that is not all.  There is a huge Fake allopathy medicine 
racket going on in india.  For example common antibiotic, say for 
example ciproflaxin.  White talcum powder in neatly packed into 
capsules stamped as ciproflaxin and marketed.
>  
>   The racket became so huge that the indian govt recently 
introduced death penalty for the offence.
>  


Are you referring to MA facilities specifically?

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> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 09:01:44 -0000 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India

2005-11-05 Thread Jason Spock









 
 
    I have used 'Maharishi Ayurveda' and 'Sri Sri Ayurveda' products by SriSri.Ravishankarji.  Looks OK, but,
 
    You should walk into many of the thousands of small  Herbal medicine production units in india.  Formulas are not always followed.  If an ingredient is not available it is left out.  Raw materials dumped on the floor and people walking in through them with their dirty feet.!!
 
 But that is not all.  There is a huge Fake allopathy medicine racket going on in india.  For example common antibiotic, say for example ciproflaxin.  White talcum powder in neatly packed into capsules stamped as ciproflaxin and marketed.
 
  The racket became so huge that the indian govt recently introduced death penalty for the offence.
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India

2005-11-05 Thread Jason Spock









 
 
    You may have so many other complaints about Exc.Bevan Morris,  but I think he's a honest guy.  You can trust him with the Money.
 
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Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 08:52:51 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India 
    --- In  "markmeredith2002"   Wrote:  >> what I can tell, the nephews are in control of the >>accounts.  I really doubt MMY trusts anyone except >>Indians to be in control of the money.
  Bevan is in control, according to the records, of the Global Development fund of several hundred million dollars US.
  BTW, how do you know that your sources about the nephews' corruption are accurate? There's more petty finger-pointing done in India at all levels than just about any other country in the world, as far as I can tell...
 
    
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India

2005-11-05 Thread Jason Spock









 
  Were you in the Production side or Marketing side of the Ayurvedic business.??  May I know why the TM-org told you to stop your business.??
 
  'SriSri Ayurveda' by SriSri.Ravishankar seems to be doing well.  It's based in Bangalore in India.  'Dabur-india' and 'Himalaya & co' are well known companies
 
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 >> I was in the ayurvedic business before the TM org got >>involved and, in fact, got told to stop by the TM org.
>>Bazaar of India (http://www.bazaarofindia.com/)of >>Berkeley, CA They are known for their high quality >>raw (powdered) herbs, all of which are organically >>grown.
 
>>2) Banyan Botanicals (http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/)These are both >>excellent companies. Banyan makes more formulas than >>Bazaar of India, but B of I also makes formulas in >>addition to raw herbs. > Ken
 
       
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India

2005-11-05 Thread shukra69
this dude in Oregon makes some seriously good rasayanas
www.ayurveda-herbs.com


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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > My advise to everyone is stick to well known standard companies 
> > if you are purchasing Ayurvedic medicines.
> > 
> > Do you have some names on well known standard companies, making 
> > Ayurvedic Medicines?
> > Ingegerd
> >
> 
> Hi Ingegerd
> 
> I was in the ayurvedic business before the TM org got involved and, in
> fact, got told to stop by the TM org. The two very best companies I
> know of are as follows:
> 
> Here are two of the better ones:
> 
> 1) Bazaar of India (http://www.bazaarofindia.com/)of Berkeley, CA
> They are known for their high quality raw (powdered) herbs, all of
> which are organically grown. They were initially the main supplier to
> MAV when the whole ayurvedic aspect of the TM org started
> 
> 2) Banyan Botanicals (http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/)
> 
> These are both excellent companies. Banyan makes more formulas than
> Bazaar of India, but B of I also makes formulas in addition to raw
herbs.
> 
> Ken
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India

2005-11-05 Thread sparaig
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > My advise to everyone is stick to well known standard companies 
> if you are purchasing Ayurvedic medicines.
> 
> Do you have some names on well known standard companies, making 
> Ayurvedic Medicines?
> Ingegerd
>

You mean, aside from MAPI?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India

2005-11-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>  
>  
> I agree with you Mark, In fact, my initator equates Maharishi 
on par with Christ and Buddha.!!  He thinks all allegations of 
mistakes on MMY are false.
>  
> However, he openly admits that only Allopathic medicines saved 
Maharishi.  If there is an medical emergency only allopathic 
treatment works.
>  
> My view is that there has to be a proper balance between 
Naturapathy and Allopathy, both can complement each other.
>  
>  Unfortunately, TMO still sticks rigidly to Ayurveda and 
defames Allopathy to a great extant.  I remember reading an article 
in a website where a woman student taking Maharishi's course was ill 
treated by the TMO for asking for Allopathic medicines.
>  
> Also, I would like to point out that there is a huge 'multi-
billion dollar Herbal fraud' taking place all over the globe.  Most 
of these medicines are improperly made and are of dubious quality.  
People have developed serious complications taking these herbal 
medicines, some have even died as a result.  There was a programme on 
discovery channel on this couple of years back.
>  
>  Heavy metal and pesticide contamination in manufacture of 
herbal medicine and also bacterial and viral contamination in the 
manufacture of these medicines is a huge problem.  Most of these 
medicines are not sterile because manufacturing conditions are dirty.
>  
> My advise to everyone is stick to well known standard companies 
if you are purchasing Ayurvedic medicines.
>  

MAPI NOT being one of these, despite their claims?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India

2005-11-05 Thread sparaig
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[...]
 From
> what I can tell, the nephews are in control of the accounts.  I really
> doubt MMY trusts anyone except Indians to be in control of the money.

Bevan is in control, according to the records, of the Global 
Development fund of several hundred million dollars US.

BTW, how do you know that your sources about the nephews' corruption 
are accurate? There's more petty finger-pointing done in India at all 
levels than just about any other country in the world, as far as I can 
tell...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India

2005-11-04 Thread Ingegerd
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wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > My advise to everyone is stick to well known standard 
companies 
> > if you are purchasing Ayurvedic medicines.
> > 
> > Do you have some names on well known standard companies, making 
> > Ayurvedic Medicines?
> > Ingegerd
> >
> 
> Hi Ingegerd
> 
> I was in the ayurvedic business before the TM org got involved 
and, in
> fact, got told to stop by the TM org. The two very best companies I
> know of are as follows:
> 
> Here are two of the better ones:
> 
> 1) Bazaar of India (http://www.bazaarofindia.com/)of Berkeley, CA
> They are known for their high quality raw (powdered) herbs, all of
> which are organically grown. They were initially the main supplier 
to
> MAV when the whole ayurvedic aspect of the TM org started
> 
> 2) Banyan Botanicals (http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/)
> 
> These are both excellent companies. Banyan makes more formulas than
> Bazaar of India, but B of I also makes formulas in addition to raw 
herbs.
> 
> Ken

Thank you.
Ingegerd
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India

2005-11-04 Thread anonymousff
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > My advise to everyone is stick to well known standard companies 
> > if you are purchasing Ayurvedic medicines.
> > 
> > Do you have some names on well known standard companies, making 
> > Ayurvedic Medicines?
> > Ingegerd

Here's one other, Dr. Vasant Ladd's Ayurvedic Institute sells high
quaility av products.
http://www.ayurvedicinstitute.com/products/index.html
ken



> 
> Hi Ingegerd
> 
> I was in the ayurvedic business before the TM org got involved and, in
> fact, got told to stop by the TM org. The two very best companies I
> know of are as follows:
> 
> Here are two of the better ones:
> 
> 1) Bazaar of India (http://www.bazaarofindia.com/)of Berkeley, CA
> They are known for their high quality raw (powdered) herbs, all of
> which are organically grown. They were initially the main supplier to
> MAV when the whole ayurvedic aspect of the TM org started
> 
> 2) Banyan Botanicals (http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/)
> 
> These are both excellent companies. Banyan makes more formulas than
> Bazaar of India, but B of I also makes formulas in addition to raw
herbs.
> 
> Ken
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India

2005-11-04 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > My advise to everyone is stick to well known standard companies 
> if you are purchasing Ayurvedic medicines.
> 
> Do you have some names on well known standard companies, making 
> Ayurvedic Medicines?
> Ingegerd
>

Hi Ingegerd

I was in the ayurvedic business before the TM org got involved and, in
fact, got told to stop by the TM org. The two very best companies I
know of are as follows:

Here are two of the better ones:

1) Bazaar of India (http://www.bazaarofindia.com/)of Berkeley, CA
They are known for their high quality raw (powdered) herbs, all of
which are organically grown. They were initially the main supplier to
MAV when the whole ayurvedic aspect of the TM org started

2) Banyan Botanicals (http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/)

These are both excellent companies. Banyan makes more formulas than
Bazaar of India, but B of I also makes formulas in addition to raw herbs.

Ken






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India

2005-11-04 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> My advise to everyone is stick to well known standard companies 
if you are purchasing Ayurvedic medicines.

Do you have some names on well known standard companies, making 
Ayurvedic Medicines?
Ingegerd





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India

2005-11-04 Thread Jason Spock









 
 
    I agree with you Mark, In fact, my initator equates Maharishi on par with Christ and Buddha.!!  He thinks all allegations of mistakes on MMY are false.
 
    However, he openly admits that only Allopathic medicines saved Maharishi.  If there is an medical emergency only allopathic treatment works.
 
    My view is that there has to be a proper balance between Naturapathy and Allopathy, both can complement each other.
 
 Unfortunately, TMO still sticks rigidly to Ayurveda and defames Allopathy to a great extant.  I remember reading an article in a website where a woman student taking Maharishi's course was ill treated by the TMO for asking for Allopathic medicines.
 
    Also, I would like to point out that there is a huge 'multi-billion dollar Herbal fraud' taking place all over the globe.  Most of these medicines are improperly made and are of dubious quality.  People have developed serious complications taking these herbal medicines, some have even died as a result.  There was a programme on discovery channel on this couple of years back.
 
 Heavy metal and pesticide contamination in manufacture of herbal medicine and also bacterial and viral contamination in the manufacture of these medicines is a huge problem.  Most of these medicines are not sterile because manufacturing conditions are dirty.
 
    My advise to everyone is stick to well known standard companies if you are purchasing Ayurvedic medicines.
 
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From: "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:15:16 -0000 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India 
    --- Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:  >>My initator who taught me TM™ has worked in the TMO >>in India for more than 30 years.
  Being right there in india is a plus, but being full time in the Tmo for so long is a negative for accurate understanding - we've all seen the incredible self-serving spin the tmo puts on events to cast blame on others when it was their own incompetence really at fault.
 
  >>The fact is these Jokers almost killed Maharishi and >>providence saved him.!!
  Allopathic medicine saved him, and according to his former personal physician who now lives in DC, MMY has relied exclusively on western medicine, the best money can buy in both Holland and London, since then.
 
 
    
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India

2005-11-04 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My initator who taught me TM™ has worked in the TMO in India for
more than 30 years.

Being right there in india is a plus, but being full time in the tmo
for so long is a negative for accurate understanding - we've all seen
the incredible self-serving spin the tmo puts on events to cast blame
on others when it was their own incompetence really at fault.

> He told me that some of Maharishi's schools were hijacked by the
principals running them.  Maharishi's name board was removed, and the
schools were literaly stolen.  Indian-TMO had to go to the courts to
get the culprits evicted and get back control over the schools.
>  
> Once, in late 1970's, my initatior was sitting with Maharishi in
Delhi, a guy hijacked Maharishi's school.  Maharishi told him on the
phone that he will not pay him salary.  This guy tells Maharishi to
fuck off.!!

I wonder how you hijack a school.  Were the principals simply doing a
little competent independent thinking?  Probably there was some
financial corruption involved too, though all reports from india that
I've gotten is that the nephews are the prime recipients of the
corruption.  Maybe these hijacking principals were not going along
with that.  IN short I don't think there are any clear good guys with
these schools, but a turf war among competing corrupt gangs.

> Maharishi gave an order that every initator be provided with a
jeep, and also given pension scheme.  As soon as Maharishi left india
that order was completly ignored.  Pension was deducted from the
salaries of initators, but none of the retired or resigned initators
have received pension or provident fund till date.

We know how MMY gives different instructions to different people -
maybe that's involved.  MMY giving a jeep to initiators goes against
everything we know about how he operates elsewhere.  Maybe true but
very unusual.  I remember living in NOIDA during vedic science course
and coming home one night to find pundits burning the tents,
protesting not getting paid for some time.  

> Sometime in the early 1980's, the Indian-TMO began to ignore
virtualy every instruction given by Maharishi.

It seems any little dissent or independence is promptly squelched in
the US - how is india so different?

> I think Maharishi last visited india in 1992, He became very
sick.  He was very badly taken care of.  Only Ayurvedic medicines was
given to him and Maharishi was about to die.!!

> An intelligent brahmachari [forgot name] threw all these Jokers
out, and bundled Maharishi into a Plane to Europe, where Maharishi
received Allopathic treatment.!!  He recovered and two years later,
Maharishi and Tony Nader came out with the discovery of the 40 devatas
manifested in the Human Physiology.!!

He had a heart attack plus kidney failure.  Probably the idiots on the
scene tried ayurved, though that's not surprising given MMY's
statements at the time concerning ayurved vs allopathic.  He was
eventually taken to Chopra's father, who was still a highly respected
practicing cardiologist in new delhi, who stabilized him.  Then Deepak
(and probably this brahmachari) accompanied him to London for full
allopathic treatment - conflicting stories as to whether he received
bypass or just angioplasty.
  
> The fact is these Jokers almost killed Maharishi and providence
saved him.!!

Allopathic medicine saved him, and according to his former personal
physician who now lives in DC, MMY has relied exclusively on western
medicine, the best money can buy in both Holland and London, since then.

>  Misappropriation and embezzelment of funds is rampant in
Indian-TMO, comparable to corruption in Red-cross or United-Nations.

This is definitely the word out of india, pundit donations going all
over the place.  The question is who is doing the embezzling.  We know
from the accounts of the personal secretaries involved that in the 70s
MMY was taking suitcases of cash out of the US to Europe to Swiss
banks, accounts in his name.  It's a fair question to ask if this is
still going on from India and if MMY's family are involved.
  
>  I think sometime in the early 1980's, Maharishi began to lose
his grip on his organisation.
>  
> Paramahansa Yogananda handpicked a few people gave them
intensive training, made sure they are top quality   teachers before
authorising them to teach Kriya-yoga.

Though if you read the blogs and chat groups of that org. they are
dealing with all sorts of scandal and disappointment.  The masses
can't stand "the Mothers" who are in charge.
  
> Maharishi made the mistake of mass producing too many half-baked
initators by the thousands, and in the process lost control over the
movement itself.!  Look at the employee turn-over in the organisation.
 In Management principles, if a company has that kind of turnover
something is seriously wrong with that company.

Yes.
  
> I think in the past 15 year