Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY seldom mentioned the Chakras and Kundalini.
On Mar 13, 2009, at 2:17 PM, boo_lives wrote: Precisely my perception. At the time when the sidhis were coming out in Switzerland, the inside group had actually amassed a huge book, all taken from various Hindu scriptures of kundalini, the various lokas, etc. It was a huge compilation of all this Hindu esoterica. I remember thinking, why would a yogi, an alleged master, need all these secondary sources? What they ended up generating was the "Age of Enlightenment technique" which was given out at different levels to different students, the citizen sidha version being the most "watered down" version--the governor one being the one with seven different "OM-based" mantras. MMY also sent at least one person to india to try to get a sidha yogi to help him develop the sidhi program, but the guy refused. Hmmm...I'm a governor who got the AofE technique I think in 79 but didn't get the om mantras as part of it. I wonder who the sidha guru was? He also was never able to get the marma-chikitsa teachings either, which he was interested in exploiting commercially. All the gurus in that tradition refused according to one of the movement's Ayurvedic physicians I spoke to.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY seldom mentioned the Chakras and Kundalini.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 13, 2009, at 9:53 AM, boo_lives wrote: > > > I don't think mmy was that worried about religion here as he spent > > the last 20 yrs of his life talking about the vedas in all sorts of > > esoteric ways and esp with reference to hindu brahmin pundits doing > > their ceremonies as they should. > > Exactly. > > > He didn't talk about kundalini because his didn't know much about > > it. If he did know about it then he wouldn't have brought out the > > sidhis in such an irresponsible way - many many people should not > > have been taught and all should have received more careful > > monitoring and education. > > Precisely my perception. At the time when the sidhis were coming out > in Switzerland, the inside group had actually amassed a huge book, > all taken from various Hindu scriptures of kundalini, the various > lokas, etc. It was a huge compilation of all this Hindu esoterica. I > remember thinking, why would a yogi, an alleged master, need all > these secondary sources? What they ended up generating was the "Age > of Enlightenment technique" which was given out at different levels > to different students, the citizen sidha version being the most > "watered down" version--the governor one being the one with seven > different "OM-based" mantras. > MMY also sent at least one person to india to try to get a sidha yogi to help him develop the sidhi program, but the guy refused. Hmmm...I'm a governor who got the AofE technique I think in 79 but didn't get the om mantras as part of it. > It would be nice if someone would circulate this old compilation by > scanning it in. It was a fascinating compilation and an interesting > historical look into how TM techniques were created. But because > cheap photocopies in the 80's were like 35 cents or more a copy, > there was no way I was paying to photocopy a 700-page document! >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY seldom mentioned the Chakras and Kundalini.
On Mar 13, 2009, at 10:55 AM, BillyG. wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: snip Precisely my perception. At the time when the sidhis were coming out in Switzerland, the inside group had actually amassed a huge book, all taken from various Hindu scriptures of kundalini, the various lokas, etc. It was a huge compilation of all this Hindu esoterica. I remember thinking, why would a yogi, an alleged master, need all these secondary sources? Probably, like you suspected, he wasn't! He was just spreading his ideal Vedic culture where ever he could. You can't really fault him for that. I would love to see those OM based mantras you were talking about, if they exist? Do you remember any? The entire governors technique is posted here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/128733
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY seldom mentioned the Chakras and Kundalini.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: >>snip > Precisely my perception. At the time when the sidhis were coming out > in Switzerland, the inside group had actually amassed a huge book, > all taken from various Hindu scriptures of kundalini, the various > lokas, etc. It was a huge compilation of all this Hindu esoterica. I > remember thinking, why would a yogi, an alleged master, need all > these secondary sources? Probably, like you suspected, he wasn't! He was just spreading his ideal Vedic culture where ever he could. You can't really fault him for that. I would love to see those OM based mantras you were talking about, if they exist? Do you remember any? What they ended up generating was the "Age > of Enlightenment technique" which was given out at different levels > to different students, the citizen sidha version being the most > "watered down" version--the governor one being the one with seven > different "OM-based" mantras. > > It would be nice if someone would circulate this old compilation by > scanning it in. It was a fascinating compilation and an interesting > historical look into how TM techniques were created. But because > cheap photocopies in the 80's were like 35 cents or more a copy, > there was no way I was paying to photocopy a 700-page document!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY seldom mentioned the Chakras and Kundalini.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives" wrote: > > I don't think mmy was that worried about religion here as he spent the last > 20 yrs of his life talking about the vedas in all sorts of esoteric ways and > esp with reference to hindu brahmin pundits doing their ceremonies as they > should. > > He didn't talk about kundalini because his didn't know much about it. If he > did know about it then he wouldn't have brought out the sidhis in such an > irresponsible way - many many people should not have been taught and all > should have received more careful monitoring and education. Actually, he gave a lecture on the chakras which is available in MP3. Vaj may even have it available to share if you're interested.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY seldom mentioned the Chakras and Kundalini.
On Mar 13, 2009, at 9:53 AM, boo_lives wrote: I don't think mmy was that worried about religion here as he spent the last 20 yrs of his life talking about the vedas in all sorts of esoteric ways and esp with reference to hindu brahmin pundits doing their ceremonies as they should. Exactly. He didn't talk about kundalini because his didn't know much about it. If he did know about it then he wouldn't have brought out the sidhis in such an irresponsible way - many many people should not have been taught and all should have received more careful monitoring and education. Precisely my perception. At the time when the sidhis were coming out in Switzerland, the inside group had actually amassed a huge book, all taken from various Hindu scriptures of kundalini, the various lokas, etc. It was a huge compilation of all this Hindu esoterica. I remember thinking, why would a yogi, an alleged master, need all these secondary sources? What they ended up generating was the "Age of Enlightenment technique" which was given out at different levels to different students, the citizen sidha version being the most "watered down" version--the governor one being the one with seven different "OM-based" mantras. It would be nice if someone would circulate this old compilation by scanning it in. It was a fascinating compilation and an interesting historical look into how TM techniques were created. But because cheap photocopies in the 80's were like 35 cents or more a copy, there was no way I was paying to photocopy a 700-page document!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY seldom mentioned the Chakras and Kundalini.
I don't think mmy was that worried about religion here as he spent the last 20 yrs of his life talking about the vedas in all sorts of esoteric ways and esp with reference to hindu brahmin pundits doing their ceremonies as they should. He didn't talk about kundalini because his didn't know much about it. If he did know about it then he wouldn't have brought out the sidhis in such an irresponsible way - many many people should not have been taught and all should have received more careful monitoring and education. > > - Original Message - > From: "BillyG." > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:19 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why MMY seldom mentioned the Chakras and Kundalini. > > > > Actually there are two reasons, one is that it has Religious connotations > > with Hinduism and we don't want that do we! And the other, is that it is > > a very high state of development and few meditators (of any discipline) > > ever experience it. Why even mention it, TM is Yoga-lite for modernity > > anyway, and that's good. > > > > That being said, I think it was deplorable that he left without giving a > > clear teaching and understanding of these fundamental principles, and to > > think TM could be considered a complete Vedic system, unreal! OK granted, > > they may call them something different like nadis or whatnot, but come on > > we all know what they are, chickens! :-) > > > > PS. It forces TM'ers to look else where for answers, like Sri Sri anybody? > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uofjzGoR8JA > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why MMY seldom mentioned the Chakras and Kundalini.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" wrote: > > Fuck you Whoa, that's he most intense response I've ever received, and so thought out too! :-) I guess I inadvertently pushed your buttons, huh...Captain Kirk? > - Original Message - > From: "BillyG." > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:19 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why MMY seldom mentioned the Chakras and Kundalini. > > > > Actually there are two reasons, one is that it has Religious connotations > > with Hinduism and we don't want that do we! And the other, is that it is > > a very high state of development and few meditators (of any discipline) > > ever experience it. Why even mention it, TM is Yoga-lite for modernity > > anyway, and that's good. > > > > That being said, I think it was deplorable that he left without giving a > > clear teaching and understanding of these fundamental principles, and to > > think TM could be considered a complete Vedic system, unreal! OK granted, > > they may call them something different like nadis or whatnot, but come on > > we all know what they are, chickens! :-) > > > > PS. It forces TM'ers to look else where for answers, like Sri Sri anybody? > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uofjzGoR8JA
