[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
You still don't seem to get it - we want to expand the Medicare to cover everyone AND bring down the cost of health care. Everybody is on the government plan, - there's no opt-out, it's an automatic payroll deduction. When you reach your full retirement age, you get Medicare. nelson wrote: Wouldn't this end up like SS where there are less people working as a proportion of those collecting? Wouldn'i this plan hinge on full employment which is rare? Apparently the health care reform proposed by Obama would be paid for by the senior citizens, and the health care for the senior citizens would be paid for by the young people. But obviously in order to cover everyone someone must pay for those who are not employed. And someone must pay for the care of the guest workers who are using our emergency rooms for their primary care. I would think that the people who don't work would be a problem. It would be nice if everyone could be taken care of - hope it could work out. There are probably millions of people out there that are opposed to this kind of ponzi scheme. Why would young people want to pay for medical insurance when they don't need it? And why would seniors want to pay for the medical care of people who are not employed? And who would want to pay for the medical care of illegal aliens?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
raunchydog wrote: Well we sure don't have any problem taking care of the banksters when they need a bailout. But when it comes to taking care of the health of our fellow citizens, everyone is suddenly stingy... The basic problem is the high cost of medical care. If we could bring that down, then everyone could afford health care insurance. But hardly anyone is going to want to pay for someones health care. It's that simple. And why should they? Give me one reason why I would want to pay for your medical care. The senior bloc is going to resist this, because they don't want to have the health care plan funded on their backs. Young people don't want to pay for health insurance they don't need. And young people don't want to pay for the health care of older people. Nobody wants to pay for the health care of illegal aliens. Maybe Obama's plan for a government-run health care system is just the wrong prescription for the present situation. Maybe he should concentrate on improving the economy and winning the war. Obama's plan will raise costs for everyone, for families, for businesses, and for health care providers; Obama's plan will increase the deficit. Obama's plan will not allow patients to keep the doctor or insurance plan of their choice. Under the Obamas' plan, senior citizens will have to pay a higher price and they will have their treatment options reduced or rationed by a panel. I, and many others, suspect that Obama wants to raid Medicare by cutting $500 billion to fund his experiment. That's going to go over like a lead ballon with seniors!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: raunchydog wrote: Well we sure don't have any problem taking care of the banksters when they need a bailout. But when it comes to taking care of the health of our fellow citizens, everyone is suddenly stingy... The basic problem is the high cost of medical care. If we could bring that down, then everyone could afford health care insurance That is the main point of the Democrats plan. That is the inspiration for it, and that is the goal of it. WillTex, you are entirely brain washed by the moronic bloggers you read. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
The basic problem is the high cost of medical care. If we could bring that down, then everyone could afford health care insurance... Off: That is the main point of the Democrats plan. That is the inspiration for it, and that is the goal of it. The only way for costs to come down is for Congress and our congressional leaders to pass regulations that bring costs down, like the high cost of prescription medications. But there's nothing in any of the current bills before congress that do that. In fact, Obama made a secret deal to keep the costs of these medications artificially high. A recap: The single-payer plan puts the government in charge of your health care, there are no choices - it's a mandatory system where everyone is subject to an automatic payroll deduction. There are no insurance companies - there's only one single payer - the government. It would cost the government trillions of dollars to implement and it would mean the elimination of Medicare and Medicaide. Most seniors will be opposed to this plan - without them, no politician is going to get any bills passed. The public option is an insurance plan that will drive some insurance companies out of business and you'll be forced by your employer to change plans and change doctors. The public option will cost trillions of dollars to implement. Most young people who don't need any health insurance will be opposed to this plan. Without them no politician is going to get any bills passed. Neither of these plans will bring down the high cost of health care. There's only one good way to help all Americans get health care insurance: bring the cost of the medical care down. That way, everyone could afford to pay for their own health insurance. There would be many choices to the consumer. Everyone is in favor of lower health care costs. Any politician who comes up with a viable plan to reduce costs of medical care will get a bill passed. Everyone is in favor of lowering costs and saving money.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: I'm enrolled in the government plan, almost everyone around here is, since it's an automatic payroll deduction. But I'm on an employee group plan provided by my employer. I make a small co-pay, but I'm not sick, so I don't use the plan very much. You can't use both at the same time. Bhairitu wrote: I guess that makes you a hypocrite or at least a very selfish person. You're saying I've got mine, but I don't want anyone else to have it. You still don't seem to get it - we want to expand the Medicare to cover everyone AND bring down the cost of health care. Everybody is on the government plan, - there's no opt-out, it's an automatic payroll deduction. When you reach your full retirement age, you get Medicare. Hi Will, Wouldn't this end up like SS where there are less people working as a proportion of those collecting? Wouldn' this plan hinge on full employment which is rare? I would think that the people who don't work would be a problem. It would be nice if everyone could be taken care of- hope it could work out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelsonriddle2001 nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_reply@ wrote: I'm enrolled in the government plan, almost everyone around here is, since it's an automatic payroll deduction. But I'm on an employee group plan provided by my employer. I make a small co-pay, but I'm not sick, so I don't use the plan very much. You can't use both at the same time. Bhairitu wrote: I guess that makes you a hypocrite or at least a very selfish person. You're saying I've got mine, but I don't want anyone else to have it. You still don't seem to get it - we want to expand the Medicare to cover everyone AND bring down the cost of health care. Everybody is on the government plan, - there's no opt-out, it's an automatic payroll deduction. When you reach your full retirement age, you get Medicare. Hi Will, Wouldn't this end up like SS where there are less people working as a proportion of those collecting? Wouldn' this plan hinge on full employment which is rare? I would think that the people who don't work would be a problem. It would be nice if everyone could be taken care of- hope it could work out. Well we sure don't have any problem taking care of the banksters when they need a bailout. But when it comes to taking care of the health of our fellow citizens, everyone is suddenly stingy. I've got mine too bad about you. No public option means no competition for insurance and big pharma leeches. So why bother? Scrap the whole damn confusing mess and let Obama educate people about Medicare for All. Now that would be REAL change. The people would love him for it and so would I. But, no. He spends his time trying to appease Republicans so that the campaign dollars from insurance/big pharma will go to Democrats and not Republicans. It's all about staying in power and screw the people in the process. Jane Hamsher: 77% Want Choice Between Public Plan and Private Insurance http://snipurl.com/qs08s With that kind of public support there isn't any reason why Obama shouldn't talk about Medicare for All and successfully get a bill through Congress that actually serves the people. IF ONLY he would help the public become properly educated about the issues, instead of letting us remain stupidly enmeshed in a beer summit Kabuki dance and wallow in the staged fake controversy between the left and right, just so he can AVOID informing people about Medicare for All, then we could at least hope for change. Wasn't that his campaign message? Hope and Change? How soon we forget. Obama has the bully pulpit. He could dispel the clouds of ignorance about the health care debate (rather than a TV bullshit debate) and charm the pants off the American public if he wanted to. Sadly, he either, can't, won't or doesn't want to. Glenn Greenwald makes the point that the only reason the Democrats cave to Republicans is they are afraid of losing power: Has Obama lost the trust of progressives, as Krugman says?' http://snipurl.com/qs1ai Digby at Hullabaloo, one of the most insightful writers on the Left agrees with Glenn: http://snipurl.com/qs190 Progressives are getting so fed up with the health care debacle, they are starting to make noise about a THIRD party. I'm pessimistic that it could be successful as long as we have a powerful corporate media that controls the message, confuses, lies, spins, stages Kabuki and feeds the people propaganda that only serves the corporations, but it's worth a try. Jane at Firedoglake leads the way for ACT BLUE to get rid of the Blue Dogs mentored and promoted by Rahm Emanuel. The Left is finally getting a clue about the greedy corporatists behind the curtain pulling all the strings and their complicit media lackeys, more interested in keeping us stupidly fighting with each other than informing us.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
Willytex is on Medicare... Medicare is for sick people. raunchydog wrote: Medicare is an insurance plan in case you get sick, it's not just for sick people. I'm enrolled in the government plan, almost everyone around here is, since it's an automatic payroll deduction. But I'm on an employee group plan provided by my employer. I make a small co-pay, but I'm not sick, so I don't use the plan very much. You can't use both at the same time. I like to pay out-of-pocket for most services - I like to manage my own health care, whenever possible.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
WillyTex wrote: Willytex is on Medicare... Medicare is for sick people. raunchydog wrote: Medicare is an insurance plan in case you get sick, it's not just for sick people. I'm enrolled in the government plan, almost everyone around here is, since it's an automatic payroll deduction. But I'm on an employee group plan provided by my employer. I make a small co-pay, but I'm not sick, so I don't use the plan very much. You can't use both at the same time. I guess that makes you a hypocrite or at least a very selfish person. You're saying I've got mine, but I don't want anyone else to have it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: Willytex is on Medicare... I like to pay out-of-pocket for most services - I like to manage my own health care, whenever possible. Until the shit hits the fangod forbid. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
I'm enrolled in the government plan, almost everyone around here is, since it's an automatic payroll deduction. But I'm on an employee group plan provided by my employer. I make a small co-pay, but I'm not sick, so I don't use the plan very much. You can't use both at the same time. Bhairitu wrote: I guess that makes you a hypocrite or at least a very selfish person. You're saying I've got mine, but I don't want anyone else to have it. You still don't seem to get it - we want to expand the Medicare to cover everyone AND bring down the cost of health care. Everybody is on the government plan, - there's no opt-out, it's an automatic payroll deduction. When you reach your full retirement age, you get Medicare.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
I like to pay out-of-pocket for most services - I like to manage my own health care, whenever possible. off_world_beings wrote: Until the shit hits the fangod forbid. Right, I'm fully vested, so never mind the bollocks. LOL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp. How ironinc. OffWorld I'm 54 years old...how could I be on Medicare? I think you have to be at least 62 or 65 (not sure of the age when it starts). How old are you, Tom?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:03 PM, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.netwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp. How ironinc. OffWorld I'm 54 years old...how could I be on Medicare? I think you have to be at least 62 or 65 (not sure of the age when it starts). How old are you, Tom? Read the regs. You can file for Medicare if you've been disabled for at least 24 months if under 65. Mental dysfunction counts as a disability.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp. How ironinc. OffWorld I'm 54 years old...how could I be on Medicare? I think you have to be at least 62 or 65 (not sure of the age when it starts). Oh, I see, they just thought you were 62 when you asked them for it. How old are you, Tom?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
off_world_beings wrote: Willytex is on Medicare... Medicare is for sick people. How ironinc. I'll tell you what's ironic, Off. You're probably laid-off, but I'm still working, and on a group medical insurance plan. And, I'm fully vested. LOL!!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: off_world_beings wrote: Willytex is on Medicare... Medicare is for sick people. Medicare is an insurance plan in case you get sick, it's not just for sick people. How ironinc. I'll tell you what's ironic, Off. You're probably laid-off, but I'm still working, and on a group medical insurance plan. And, I'm fully vested. LOL!!! So when you retire will you enroll for Medicare or will you pay for private insurance?
