[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ann, you've got me there!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Now, wait a minute.  He is not alone in being selfish about his interests.  I 
would say that is the rule rather than the exception particularly when there is 
money at stake.
 

 So, because the world is filled with thousands of people with selfish 
interests that are motivated by greed I am supposed to overlook this in someone 
who wants to lead the free world? That is a ridiculous argument, Steve. Whoever 
gets the Presidential job needs to at least be better at hiding the fact that 
they are self-centered ego-maniacs whose only reason they get out of bed in the 
morning is the motivation to keep lining their pockets with other people's 
hard-earned cash. I would certainly hope the majority of American voters will 
not brush off Trump's greed and corruption with the justification that there 
are many greedy and corrupt people in the world. Surely our standards can be 
just a tad higher than that?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
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  Someone like Trump worrying more about his image in the pageant business than 
the mental and physical health of one of the winners is indicative of what we 
all already know - it's all about him and the rest of you be damned.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Now, wait a minute.  He is not alone in being selfish about his interests.  I 
would say that is the rule rather than the exception particularly when there is 
money at stake.
 

 So, because the world is filled with thousands of people with selfish 
interests that are motivated by greed I am supposed to overlook this in someone 
who wants to lead the free world? That is a ridiculous argument, Steve. Whoever 
gets the Presidential job needs to at least be better at hiding the fact that 
they are self-centered ego-maniacs whose only reason they get out of bed in the 
morning is the motivation to keep lining their pockets with other people's 
hard-earned cash. I would certainly hope the majority of American voters will 
not brush off Trump's greed and corruption with the justification that there 
are many greedy and corrupt people in the world. Surely our standards can be 
just a tad higher than that?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 snip
  Someone like Trump worrying more about his image in the pageant business than 
the mental and physical health of one of the winners is indicative of what we 
all already know - it's all about him and the rest of you be damned.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Now, wait a minute.  He is not alone in being selfish about his interests.  I 
would say that is the rule rather than the exception particularly when there is 
money at stake.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 snip
  Someone like Trump worrying more about his image in the pageant business than 
the mental and physical health of one of the winners is indicative of what we 
all already know - it's all about him and the rest of you be damned.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

FWIW, I had missed this.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Your source for the 60-pound figure is what, now? ---In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

[Sal Sunshine salsunshineini...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Do some internet research on whether the contract really had some clause in it 
specifying weight or weight gain or not.

It didn’t.  From another article:
Pageant coach Valerie Hayes  concurs, telling Yahoo 
Beauty, “No, pageants do not typically include any type of clause about 
maintaining their ‘winning’ look. They can cut their hair — [Miss America 2016] 
Betty Cantrell cut her hair after her win, went through most of her year with a 
chin-length bob, and got hair extensions to crown her successor — change their 
hair color, gain/lose weight, or even get a tattoo. There are no known clauses 
prohibiting changing their ‘look.’”

And further down:
But Prejean’s 11-page Miss California contract (again, part of the Miss 
Universe pageant system), which appears in PDF format on the Fox News website 

 with a 2008 signature, makes not a single mention of weight.

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html
 

Sal 




On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:38 AM, emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote:



Are you swallowing what Trump has said without question?  Why?  Why would you 
believe a single thing he says about any woman?  Seriously?  You are quite 
likely demonstrating a "subconscious" ingrained pattern of sexism - question 
your assumptions.  

Take a look at a picture of her physical appearance from back then after her 
supposed "massive" weight gain."  She looks seriously healthy and of a "normal" 
weight.  Do, really, look at her physical appearance and get back to me.  Do 
some internet research on whether the contract really had some clause in it 
specifying weight or weight gain or not.  Try to imagine what that might read 
like!  Thirdly, the way Dumpy treated her should in no way be minimized into 
"flak."  He was delusional himself and abusive as usual. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , 
> wrote :

Exactly. Being Ms. Universe for a year is a job. I believe it pays a salary and 
there are numerous perks. Every job has certain requirements, and if they are 
not met, the person concerned can expect to get some flak from his or her 
employer. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , 
 wrote :

if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.



Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Are you swallowing what Trump has said without question?  Why?  Why would you 
believe a single thing he says about any woman?  Seriously?  You are quite 
likely demonstrating a "subconscious" ingrained pattern of sexism - question 
your assumptions.   

 Take a look at a picture of her physical appearance from back then after her 
supposed "massive" weight gain."  She looks seriously healthy and of a "normal" 
weight.  Do, really, look at her physical appearance and get back to me.  Do 
some internet research on whether the contract really had some clause in it 
specifying weight or weight gain or not.  Try to imagine what that might read 
like!  Thirdly, the way Dumpy treated her should in no way be minimized into 
"flak."  He was delusional himself and abusive as usual. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Exactly. Being Ms. Universe for a year is a job. I believe it pays a salary 
and there are numerous perks. Every job has certain requirements, and if they 
are not met, the person concerned can expect to get some flak from his or her 
employer. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This sounds like common sense. 

 Look, I don't like Trump, but these sentiments are what provide him his 
support.
 

 The notion that political correctness has gotten to an extreme such that it 
impacts what most people have accepted as normal.
 

 Thumbs up to the University of Chicago for interjecting some of this common 
sense into the discussion.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Exactly. Being Ms. Universe for a year is a job. I believe it pays a salary 
and there are numerous perks. Every job has certain requirements, and if they 
are not met, the person concerned can expect to get some flak from his or her 
employer. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

[feste37]

Exactly. Being Ms. Universe for a year is a job. I believe it pays a salary and 
there are numerous perks. Every job has certain requirements, and if they are 
not met, the person concerned can expect to get some flak from his or her 
employer. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?
 

 Here is something. How about Trump approaching the weight-gainer in private 
and in a much more professional way? How about keeping these things from 
becoming a media circus with cameras following her jumping rope and working the 
weight machines and instead focus on an empathetic approach where there are no 
insults thrown but perhaps you bring in an eating disorder professional to help 
counsel the woman to help her find her way towards balanced lifestyle choices. 
The extremes that these poor beauty queens have to go to in order to fulfill 
the expectations of the public as a specimen with no fat, perfect boobs and 
hair is likely to boomerang back the other way where you simply want/need to 
eat after so much deprivation. Eating extremes/disorders are complicated 
business and can last a lifetime. Someone like Trump worrying more about his 
image in the pageant business than the mental and physical health of one of the 
winners is indicative of what we all already know - it's all about him and the 
rest of you be damned.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Your source for the 60-pound figure is what, now? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That is why those with any political experience think Donnie is a disaster. He 
has no nuance, no depth, no knowledge, and zero time in any capacity of public 
service. He sells himself as a breath of fresh air, but he barely rises to the 
level of a duck fart. He is a carnival barker, 24/7. Subtlety and consideration 
are words absent from his emotional vocabulary. A sleaze ball that criticizes 
and denigrates, but has nothing to offer, except more of the same. A real 
cretin.

So let him run his little pageants and play big shot in his tin-foil gilded 
empire.  But let's all keep Trump the fuck out of government, in any capacity. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?