[FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
What I wonder is whether in Maharishi's Vedic India fantasy, anyone would be allowed to *not* meditate if they so chose. He used to speak, half jokingly, of meditation police who would apprehend people seen on the street with long faces and put them in meditation asylums. What makes you think he was joking? That's certainly the way he has run his organizations internally, by demanding adherence to the way things should be and punishing wrongdoers with shunning or excom- munication. On an unrelated note, was anyone at the Santa Barbara ATR when he went on for at least 15 minutes with an analogy that TM was just like screwing? We were all straining like crazy not to laugh, but utterly failing. Wasn't there, but the thing that strikes me about the story is the attempt to suppress laughter. What IS it about most spiritual traditions that makes people afraid to laugh at that which they hold sacred? One would think that it'd be the other way around. If the nature of life is joy, one would think one would become *funnier* as one evolved, not more serious. Unc Seriousness is not a virtue. - G.K. Chesterton To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/1/05 12:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I wonder is whether in Maharishi's Vedic India fantasy, anyone would be allowed to *not* meditate if they so chose. He used to speak, half jokingly, of meditation police who would apprehend people seen on the street with long faces and put them in meditation asylums. On an unrelated note, was anyone at the Santa Barbara ATR when he went on for at least 15 minutes with an analogy that TM was just like screwing? We were all straining like crazy not to laugh, but utterly failing. One time on my TTC in Punta Umbria, Spain, MMY, in some context that I now forget, started talking about flatulance. He said, and I do quote here, This gas, each with its own color and flavor. Everybody was laughing like crazy and MMY was looking around, chuckling lightly at our laughter, but not quite understanding why we were laughing so hard. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
Rick, did that ATR start in Dec. '72 and Maharishi came for the last 2 weeks or so? Do you remember more of the analogy? ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/1/05 12:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I wonder is whether in Maharishi's Vedic India fantasy, anyone would be allowed to *not* meditate if they so chose. He used to speak, half jokingly, of meditation police who would apprehend people seen on the street with long faces and put them in meditation asylums. On an unrelated note, was anyone at the Santa Barbara ATR when he went on for at least 15 minutes with an analogy that TM was just like screwing? We were all straining like crazy not to laugh, but utterly failing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
on 6/1/05 8:53 AM, marekreavis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, did that ATR start in Dec. '72 and Maharishi came for the last 2 weeks or so? Do you remember more of the analogy? Yes. I think the point of the analogy was that just as a screw bores deep into something, TM enables the mind to go deep within. The funny thing was that he kept saying it over and over again, TM is just like screwing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
Rick, did that ATR start in Dec. '72 and Maharishi came for the last 2 weeks or so? Do you remember more of the analogy? Yes. I think the point of the analogy was that just as a screw bores deep into something, TM enables the mind to go deep within. The funny thing was that he kept saying it over and over again, TM is just like screwing. Ah. I finally get the snickers and suppressed laughter. But the analogy seems to be a little forced given TM. What is the screwdriver, and who is turning it? :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
on 5/30/05 8:15 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be interesting to know what the actual fee for instruction is in India for people who walk into centers, and are not having their fees paid by the state or their company. The only number I have ever heard is a $5 registration fee for Siddhis instruction. Steve said: People can learn TM in India for as little as 30 rupees which is .70, but of course dollars vs. rupees don't translate in terms of disposable income. For many, 30 rupees is almost a full day's wages. The general policy is that a person pays one day wages, but there's no set fee except in some city centers where the recommended price is 900 rupees ($21). School kids get instruction for 5 rupees or 11 cents. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/30/05 8:15 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be interesting to know what the actual fee for instruction is in India for people who walk into centers, and are not having their fees paid by the state or their company. The only number I have ever heard is a $5 registration fee for Siddhis instruction. Steve said: People can learn TM in India for as little as 30 rupees which is .70, but of course dollars vs. rupees don't translate in terms of disposable income. For many, 30 rupees is almost a full day's wages. The general policy is that a person pays one day wages, but there's no set fee except in some city centers where the recommended price is 900 rupees ($21). School kids get instruction for 5 rupees or 11 cents. That's interesting that there is no attempt to introduce exclusionary pricing in India -- even laborers can afford 35 rupees --, which supports the thesis that MMY only intended, in his go-slow policy of unfolding enlightenment for the world, to light a few candles in the West to reduce the shock effect of a Vedic India, then put the rest of the world on the shelf until he could unfold Vedic India, by creating a lot of pundits, and not putting up the price of TM in India so that many could start when the atmosphere improves through the yagyas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
on 5/31/05 4:17 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting that there is no attempt to introduce exclusionary pricing in India -- even laborers can afford 35 rupees --, which supports the thesis that MMY only intended, in his go-slow policy of unfolding enlightenment for the world, to light a few candles in the West to reduce the shock effect of a Vedic India, then put the rest of the world on the shelf until he could unfold Vedic India, by creating a lot of pundits, and not putting up the price of TM in India so that many could start when the atmosphere improves through the yagyas. I sincerely hope your thesis is correct. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/31/05 4:17 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting that there is no attempt to introduce exclusionary pricing in India -- even laborers can afford 35 rupees --, which supports the thesis that MMY only intended, in his go-slow policy of unfolding enlightenment for the world, to light a few candles in the West to reduce the shock effect of a Vedic India, then put the rest of the world on the shelf until he could unfold Vedic India, by creating a lot of pundits, and not putting up the price of TM in India so that many could start when the atmosphere improves through the yagyas. I sincerely hope your thesis is correct. I think that it will follow the same track that it did here in the US. Price low to create the laborers. As the Indian middle class becomes more affluent the price goes higher. Lots of property, then Raja's (where they still exist, no?) The US still generates some income from millionare's courses and real estate, but we'll follow in Great Britian's footsteps eventually I also hope that Bob, is correct too, but I have my doubts... JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
That's interesting that there is no attempt to introduce exclusionary pricing in India -- even laborers can afford 35 rupees --, which supports the thesis that MMY only intended, in his go-slow policy of unfolding enlightenment for the world, to light a few candles in the West to reduce the shock effect of a Vedic India, then put the rest of the world on the shelf until he could unfold Vedic India, by creating a lot of pundits, and not putting up the price of TM in India so that many could start when the atmosphere improves through the yagyas. I sincerely hope your thesis is correct. What I wonder is whether in Maharishi's Vedic India fantasy, anyone would be allowed to *not* meditate if they so chose. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
on 6/1/05 12:39 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I wonder is whether in Maharishi's Vedic India fantasy, anyone would be allowed to *not* meditate if they so chose. He used to speak, half jokingly, of meditation police who would apprehend people seen on the street with long faces and put them in meditation asylums. On an unrelated note, was anyone at the Santa Barbara ATR when he went on for at least 15 minutes with an analogy that TM was just like screwing? We were all straining like crazy not to laugh, but utterly failing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in india?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blank Off_world_beings my understanding is that thousands upon thousands have learned TM in the past few years in India. The past decade would put it at 100's of thousands. Is this an innefective organization? Maharishi is right now teaching TM to more people than possibly any other teaching in the history of the human race. With the TM fee the initiate would also at the same time sponsor 100 people in India to learn . This is, in simple form, what Maharishi is doing with his fee. i have never heard anything like this! do you have any website or other way to prove this wild claim. if it is true, i dont think we ever hear of it, at least not in fairfield i was under the conviction that initiation into TM is almost nil, anywhere! ** I think it's clear that MMY is counting on the pundits to first raise the atmosphere in India to a point where people could see their way clear to starting TM -- India is too much of a mess now for people to appreciate the revival of correct meditation practice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
Indian TM teachers are all salaried, but the salaries are small. There must be 500 hundred or more salaried TM teachers in India (and plenty of administrators), and the funds to support their salaries probably don't come from teaching revenues alone because course fees at the Indian centers aren't much. Their salaries are subsidized. But remember that India also produces FAR more revenues than TM initiations in the States. MAPI, yagyas, jyotish are all based in India and they generate substantial revenues globally. I don't think its realistic to connect TM fees in the States to TM initations in India. Feel free to post this message on FFL if you like. Steve Briggs * It would be interesting to know what the actual fee for instruction is in India for people who walk into centers, and are not having their fees paid by the state or their company. The only number I have ever heard is a $5 registration fee for Siddhis instruction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
i was under the conviction that initiation into TM is almost nil, anywhere! I forwarded this thread to Steve Briggs, who taught in India with Purusha for many years, and he said the following: Hi Rick I know firsthand about several hundred thousand initiations in India in the past twelve years. wow, thanks for getting that info, Rick, its really very inspiring news (news to me)! guess alot of folks already knew about it...LOL i'll go back to sleep now To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forwarded this thread to Steve Briggs, who taught in India with Purusha for many years, and he said the following: Say hi to STeve from Lawson English of Tucson. How is his brother? What have they been up to, etc? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
on 5/30/05 9:58 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forwarded this thread to Steve Briggs, who taught in India with Purusha for many years, and he said the following: Say hi to STeve from Lawson English of Tucson. How is his brother? What have they been up to, etc? Steve married Cliff Rees's ex-wife Bhumi and they live here in Fairfield. I don't know the latest on DeArmond, but I forwarded your email to Steve. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: many thousands initiated in India?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/30/05 9:58 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forwarded this thread to Steve Briggs, who taught in India with Purusha for many years, and he said the following: Say hi to STeve from Lawson English of Tucson. How is his brother? What have they been up to, etc? Steve married Cliff Rees's ex-wife Bhumi and they live here in Fairfield. I don't know the latest on DeArmond, but I forwarded your email to Steve. Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
