[FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Turq,
 I've been gagged these many days...

Whatever floats your boat. I never got much into
the bondage thing myself.

:-) Just kidding. I know what you mean. I just
have this compulsion to be silly sometimes. 

...and I want to use my first post back to thank you for your 
 gallant and intelligent defense of women as actual human beings 
 rather than a means to an end. 

De nada. It's a matter of some concern to me as
a result of all the strong women I've known and
how hard they had to fight in a world controlled
by men to *be* strong women.

 Unfortunately, I also agree with your assessment of the American 
 people.  

It is with some sadness that I express it. It is
also one of the reasons I don't live there.

 We have the reputation abroad as long back as I can remember of 
 thinking that when we've discussed something we've actually 
 *done* something.  The sense of US is also missing from the 
 scene.  It started out as rugged individualism and ended up 
 addicted consumerism.  

Gotta agree. Rugged individualism has devolved
to I've got mine and fuck you if you don't have
yours, which historically tends to be the preface
to I won't worry much when they come for my neigh-
bors as long as they don't come for me. It's hap-
pened in so many countries and in so many times
that it's just sheer hubris for Americans to think
that It can't happen here.

I'd *love* to be more positive about America, but
so far I cannot. As you suggest, I'll be more posi-
tive when more of them DO something, as these folks
in the intelligence community finally did. But even
though I admire their whistle-blowing on the false
basis for the buildup to war against Iran, I'll be
watching the polls to see what the majority of
Americans actually *believe* about Iran and its
nuclear potential. A huge number of Americans still
believe that Iraq had WMDs and was involved in 9/11,
*years* after those beliefs should have been put out
to pasture. Fear is more persuasive than reason, and
it's very possible that in a few months polls will
show that most Americans would rather stay fearful
of Iran and it's Big Bad Nukes than believe what
their own intelligence communities -- ALL of them,
not just one or two -- have to say on the matter.

Time will tell. If my cynicism is unmerited and
America pulls its head out, I will be a happy 
camper and will *revel* in having been proved
wrong. It's just that I'm gonna wait for that to
happen before I believe any more posturing by those
who talk, talk, talk about doing something.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[Angela Mailander]

Turq,
I've been gagged these many days, and I want to use my first post back to thank 
you for your gallant and intelligent defense of women as actual human beings 
rather than a means to an end. Mothers of men is a vile phrase.  I recall 
Marshy saying at some point The men of this age are children.  Well, they 
will be until women actually do get the respect and the conditions needed to 
raise men.  In that sense, the phrase has some meaning, but this is not the 
meaning I see expressed in the TMO.  Mother at home should not mean absent 
from public life, sitting behind some puffed up dude with her head bowed.

Unfortunately, I also agree with your assessment of the American people.  We 
have the reputation abroad as long back as I can remember of thinking that when 
we've discussed something we've actually *done* something.  The sense of US 
is also missing from the scene.  It started out as rugged individualism and 
ended up addicted consumerism.  

TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Still I don't think MMY's use of the term has anything to do with
  esoteric catholic doctrine, but run of the mill vedic doctrine
  instead, his own tradition, something every sidha is familiar with
  from the mandala portion of his program in which the blessing may 
  you have auspicious male progeny, or be the mother of many male 
  offspring ... etc etc is repeated over and over again throughout 
  the mandalas.
 
 Followed by, And may these male offspring be 
 stuck in the same caste you are forever, and
 thus unable to pollute our upper-caste Brahmin
 ranks with their low-born blood.
 
 Ignorance and prejudice and chauvinism masquer-
 ading as spiritual wisdom aren't wisdom. And IMO
 those who defend such as ideas *as* spiritual
 wisdom are masquerading as human beings.
 
 I'm sorry, but If it's Vedic it's good has as
 much validity as Mike Myers' If it's not Scottish
 it's crap. At least his aphorism was a joke.
 
 
 
   

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[FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[boo_lives]

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry inmadison@ wrote:
 
  I think the term mother of men is not mother of males, but
  contrasted with mother of gods - - I believe that Mary is given the
  same title and respect in the purest of Catholic Traditions.
  
Wow, 14 yrs of catholic education and I never came across the term
mother of men applied to Mary.  If you google it, you do find a very
esoteric tenet of catholicism that says Mary is not only mother of
god, as she is commonly referred to, but also mother of men, related
to jesus' unique status as both son of god and son of man, a more
common catholic concept.

Still I don't think MMY's use of the term has anything to do with
esoteric catholic doctrine, but run of the mill vedic doctrine
instead, his own tradition, something every sidha is familiar with
from the mandala portion of his program in which the blessing may you
have auspicious male progeny, or be the mother of many male offspring
... etc etc is repeated over and over again throughout the mandalas. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Still I don't think MMY's use of the term has anything to do with
 esoteric catholic doctrine, but run of the mill vedic doctrine
 instead, his own tradition, something every sidha is familiar with
 from the mandala portion of his program in which the blessing may 
 you have auspicious male progeny, or be the mother of many male 
 offspring ... etc etc is repeated over and over again throughout 
 the mandalas.

Followed by, And may these male offspring be 
stuck in the same caste you are forever, and
thus unable to pollute our upper-caste Brahmin
ranks with their low-born blood.

Ignorance and prejudice and chauvinism masquer-
ading as spiritual wisdom aren't wisdom. And IMO
those who defend such as ideas *as* spiritual
wisdom are masquerading as human beings.

I'm sorry, but If it's Vedic it's good has as
much validity as Mike Myers' If it's not Scottish
it's crap. At least his aphorism was a joke.

[FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Not only does it relegate women 
  to the level of breed sows for the planet, 
  it's only their men children that count.
 
 this is missing the point; in light of the rest:

It's the term that *lasts*, George, not
their explanation. The explanation won't
be present when women around the world hear
the term and realize what Maharishi and the
TMO really think of women.

And they DO. I've heard Maharishi actually
talk to a woman after she got her second Ph.D.
and tell her, That's good...you'll have some-
thing to talk about with your husband and
children when you finally have them.

She left the movement that day.

  The administration of the mothers' wing of the Movement 
  will be on the level of silence functioning within itself. 
  Our administration will not be through human endeavour 
  but through human surrender -- from where silence operates.
  
  The mothers' wing will offer to every mother in the world 
  the opportunity to swing in the value of Saraswati --
  the Divine Mother,Goddess of Knowledge.
 
  We will offer to every mother the opportunity to be 
  mother at home, at home within her own transcendental 
  bliss consciousness.
 
 the mothers get to sit home and swing in their bliss.

Which is downright *offensive* to some women.

 whereas, the men have to waste their time, tending to
 mere human endeavor. 

Equally offensive to many woman, who claim the 
*right*, not the *burden* of supporting them-
selves and paying for their own lives themselves.

George, this is a reworking of the white man's
burden, just leaving out the white. It's one
of the major problems all along with the TMO
and Maharishi's vision, from my perspective.

Some teacher treat their students as adults; MMY
has always treated them like children, unable to
make their own decisions for themselves. Instead,
as the benevolent father figure, he gets to make
them for them. Now he's extending that right to
the *men* he's left in charge after he croaks.
*They* get to make all the decisions for the women.

Didn't you notice the reactions a couple of years
back when they trotted out the rajas in their
uniforms and no mention was even *made* of their
wives? Do you think that was just some kind of
oversight. It wasn't. They don't count. They're
not men.

 it doesnt say the men count (thats a male fantasy);
 the men are just worker bees, serving the queen mother.

Which is a sexist fantasy, a way of keeping women
in a subservient position, dependent on the men.
Read some feminist literature, dude. It's *right*
about many things. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ 
  wrote:
   
As resolved on the 22nd of November, the final day of the European
Assembly of National Leaders, there will now be two wings of
administration of the Global Country of World Peace—one for men, 
and one for the mothers of men.
   
   Wow. Just when I thought that the TMO couldn't
   possibly come up with a more inappropriate term
   than invincibility.
   
   Mothers of men. 
   
   Not only does it relegate women to the level
   of breed sows for the planet, it's only their
   men children that count.
  
  You are a true pervert to be able to read something like that into 
  the announcement ! You and Vaj has really lost it.
 
 How else to interpret it?  It's not Men and Women, it's not even Men
 and Mothers, which would be weird enough.  It's Men and Mothers' of
 Men, the word men has to be part of the female side for it to be
 mentionable.

Exactly. This is one of the most revealing terms
that Maharishi and the TMO have ever coined. Both
about him and the way he thinks, and about those
who rush to defend it. Decades of conditioning
are difficult to drop.

[FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[TurquoiseB]

I'll riff on this some more, because this is a 
subject of some interest to me. Whatever his
faults -- and there were many of them -- the
Rama fellow I studied with for some time was
really big on the enlightenment of women. He
went out of his way to cultivate an environ-
ment that supported strong, independent, non-
subservient-to-men women seekers.

As a result, I got to interface with and become
good friends with literally hundreds of strong,
independent, non-subservient-to-men women, and
learn a great deal from them. Both about women
and how they see the traditional world of 
spirituality, and about how they see the men
who try to keep it that way.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
 Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
 DharmaMitra1@ wrote:
 
  There will be many in the world, especially from North
  America, who are so out of touch with other cultures they
  will not comprehend this message nor the meaning(s) of some
  of the words in it, including surrender and mother,
  despite some of them having even been born feemale.  In the
  vast majority of the world the subtle influences of and
  respect for women and motherhood is rich and has much
  gravitas in personal and collective life, whereas nowhere in
  the world do mothers and motherhood have such vicious disdain
  in concept and factuality as in North America where
  motherhood, at best, is nothing more than a paradigm of
  chauvinistic indemnity and insatiable consumptionism in stark
  contrast to nature, to dharma anywhere in the universe as
  well as the rest of humanity around the globe.
 
 Nowhere in the world are females and all aspects of womanhood,
 including motherhood, held in such vicious disdain as in the
 traditional fundamentalist religious sects of Islam, Hinduism and
 Christianity, probably in that order.  

I could not agree more.

 Woman and mothers are generally
 respected much more in progressive North America than in much of the
 traditional world. People who truly understand and respect the
 feminine, including traditions that worship the divine feminine, do
 not restrict the female to the role of mother and do not exclude the
 female from decision-making processes in society.  

And that relegation to the role of motherhood is
*exactly* the intent of this new TM buzzword IMO.
The very structure of the organization that MMY
plans to leave behind him prevents women from 
having any real say or presence in its decision-
making. As boo pointed out, he added the women in
as a reluctant afterthought, a bone thrown to them
so that it *appeared* that they had some say in
things. But then he gave them a title -- mothers
of men -- which betrays the role he *really* sees
for them.

Let's face it -- Maharishi is really not a person
who is likely to have any realistic impression of
what a strong woman is. His experience with women
consists of his own mother, and after that, a 
series of women who were *disciples*, and thus
were not about to stand up to him and tell him
what they really thought about things.

If he's *ever* had a woman be honest with him,
and give him feedback on something he's said, I
have never seen it. The woman I mentioned before,
who bailed from the movement bailed immediately 
after having been told that the only thing that
her Ph.D. and her mind were good for was bring-
ing up children, didn't even bother. She just
turned around and walked out of the room and
never walked back into another one. She'd been
around long enough to know what happens to
*anyone* -- male or female -- who disputes MMY's
holy word.

 They also celebrate
 the birth of both girls and boys (there is no distinction between
 mothers of women and mothers of men) - how many millions of baby 
 girls are either aborted or even killed after birth in Asia and 
 Africa purely for being girls not boys.  And people with half a 
 brain in this century have come to understand that flowery 
 religious language about woman staying mothers at home has to 
 do with chauvinism not dharma.  

Exactly. And it's an extension of the greater
evolved man's burden dogma that permeates the
rest of the TM movement. MMY talks about those
who deserve to lead, because they practice TM
and are more evolved. Well, he's just clarified
what *sex* those who deserve to lead have to
be, that's all.

  While I perceive poor word choices in the construction of the
  original announcement, ever more do I anticipate vicious
  convulsions of presumed and feigned victimhood from many
  people who will blow gratuitously from the bowels of
  [P]ostured [C]ondescensions blowing in the[ir] windmills of
  their static minds. Such are the disabilities of
  materialistic minds with petrified hearts aflame with the
  last vestiges of life screaming at the world who having been
  blessed with the privilege of the how-to of transcendent
  meditation yet will not 

[FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He
 went out of his way to cultivate an environ-
 ment that supported strong, independent, non-
 subservient-to-men women seekers.
 
 
 Some of them decided to have kids *in addition to*
 being strong, independent women with good careers
 who needed *no one* to support them, some decided
 not to have kids.

[warning -- strong but non-gratuitous language used]

And without a man / husband, their kids are bastards,  son of a
bitch. 

The word bitch has long been in use to refer to a woman in
contempt, as shown in an 1811 dictionary which describes bitch as the
most offensive appellation that can be given to an English woman, even
more provoking than that of whore.
...
Bitch is a term for the female of a canine species in general. It is
also frequently used as an offensive term for a woman, taken to mean
that she is malicious, spiteful, domineering, intrusive, or
unpleasant. This second meaning has been in use since around 1400.[1]

Those [guys who defined that are literally] motherfuckers!. 

So a woman is at best, at her best, a mother of men. An she has to be
a mother of men with a proper man, in a proper subservient
relationship. Otherwise she is not a real mother, because her kids are
then bastards and sons of a bitch -- which is means they are less than
sons of whores, they are sons of malicious, spiteful, domineering,
intrusive, or unpleasant women Thats because being a malicious,
spiteful, domineering, intrusive, or unpleasant woman is worse than
being a whore. 

Well, I say, the guys that made up that crap are real motherfuckers.
They are fucking with women, they are fucking women, they are
fucked-up, and they are just plain fuckers. And I am not sure what is
worse, being a plain fucker or a motherfucker. 

btw, what do you call a guy who only likes to fuck malicious,
spiteful, domineering, intrusive, or unpleasant women? I guess thats a
bitchfucker. Anyway, its fucked-up. He's a real sonna ma bitch.  I
just hope hes not a muddafucker on top of that.


=

And Iya digressa here, butta maya cousin, he a sayd id best bouta
sonna ma bitch:

One day ima gonna Malta to bigga hotel. Ina morning I go to eat
breakfast. I tella waitress I wanna two pissis toast. She brings me
only one piss. I tella her I want to piss. She says go to the toilet.
I say you no understand. I wanna to piss onna my plate. She say you
better not piss onna plate, you sonna ma bitch. I don't even know the
lady and she calla me a sonna ma bitch.

Later I go to eat at the bigga restaurant. The waitress brings me a
spoon and a knife but no fock. I tella her I wanna fock. She tella me
everyone wanna fock. I tella her you no understand. I wanna fock on
the table. She say better not fock on the table, you sonna ma bitch. I
don't even know the lady and she calla me a sonna ma bitch.

So I go to my room inna hotel and there is no sheit onna my bed. I
calla the manager and tella him I wanna sheit. He tella me to go to
the toilet. I say you no understand. I wanna sheit on my bed. He say
you better not sheit onna bed, you sonna ma bitch. I don't even know
the man and he calla me a sonna ma bitch.

I go to the checkout and the man at the desk say: Peace on you. I
say piss on you too, you sonna ma bitch. I gonna back to Italy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[Larry]

I think the term mother of men is not mother of males, but
contrasted with mother of gods - - I believe that Mary is given the
same title and respect in the purest of Catholic Traditions.

I must admit the 'mother is at home' beats 'mother is working out of
the home to earn extra cash so I can have a Playstation 3'.







--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As resolved on the 22nd of November, the final day of the European
 Assembly of National Leaders, there will now be two wings of
 administration of the Global Country of World Peace—one for men, and
 one for the mothers of men.
 
 The administration of the mothers' wing of the Movement will be on the
 level of silence functioning within itself. Our administration will
 not be through human endeavour but through human surrender—from where
 silence operates.
 
 The mothers' wing will offer to every mother in the world the
 opportunity to swing in the value of Saraswati—the Divine Mother,
 Goddess of Knowledge.
 
 We will offer to every mother the opportunity to be mother at home, at
 home within her own transcendental bliss consciousness.
 
 There will be a global video connection from 2–8 December, 8:00-9:30
 p.m. Central European Time, so all who are unable to attend can watch
 on the Maharishi Channel, the MOU channel, or via the internet at
 www.Maharishichannel.org.

[FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think the term mother of men is not mother of males, but
 contrasted with mother of gods - - I believe that Mary is given the
 same title and respect in the purest of Catholic Traditions.
 
 I must admit the 'mother is at home' beats 'mother is working out of
 the home to earn extra cash so I can have a Playstation 3'.

Waitaminute ! From where did this sane voice come ?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?]

From what I've witnessed in life your various assertions
about the socio-religious cults seem to be what I've
witnessed -- when confined within my, and perhaps yours,
hardened and specific values.  There's a spectrum of
perspectives and sentiments humans can experience, and do,
that are out of the purview of any individual, any
hardenedly ensconced cultural paradigm.

Having spanned the spectrum of what I've witnessed among so
many cultures, not at those cultures but from within
those cultures before I wrote my previous remarks, I
spoke and speak of what I've witnessed and am clear of what
I have said.  In fact, the contentious responses I've
witnessed hundreds of thousands of times by and from less
magnanimous minds over the decades were anticipated again
from having posted my remark about other flavors respecting
women, womanhood and motherhood from different paradigms
would be met with culturally chauvinistic convulsions from
less magnanimous minds not positively affected by or less
positively affected by the vistara that proper meditation
brings through its capabilities to harmonize subjectivity
and objectivity, introversion and extroversion to hold more
lovingly truthfulness than any unconscionable vanity of
body harboring cultural chauvinisms within that are denied
without for others deemed inferior or exotic without further
investigation borne of sincerity and magnanimity.


On 12/5/07, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
 Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  There will be many in the world, especially from North
  America, who are so out of touch with other cultures they
  will not comprehend this message nor the meaning(s) of some
  of the words in it, including surrender and mother,
  despite some of them having even been born feemale.  In the
  vast majority of the world the subtle influences of and
  respect for women and motherhood is rich and has much
  gravitas in personal and collective life, whereas nowhere in
  the world do mothers and motherhood have such vicious disdain
  in concept and factuality as in North America where
  motherhood, at best, is nothing more than a paradigm of
  chauvinistic indemnity and insatiable consumptionism in stark
  contrast to nature, to dharma anywhere in the universe as
  well as the rest of humanity around the globe.

 Nowhere in the world are females and all aspects of womanhood,
 including motherhood, held in such vicious disdain as in the
 traditional fundamentalist religious sects of Islam, Hinduism and
 Christianity, probably in that order.  Woman and mothers are generally
 respected much more in progressive North America than in much of the
 traditional world.  People who truly understand and respect the
 feminine, including traditions that worship the divine feminine, do
 not restrict the female to the role of mother and do not exclude the
 female from decision-making processes in society.  They also celebrate
 the birth of both girls and boys (there is no distinction between
 mothers of women and mothers of men) - how many millions of baby girls
 are either aborted or even killed after birth in Asia and Africa
 purely for being girls not boys.  And people with half a brain in this
 century have come to understand that flowery religious language about
 woman staying mothers at home has to do with chauvinism not dharma.

  While I perceive poor word choices in the construction of the
  original announcement, ever more do I anticipate vicious
  convulsions of presumed and feigned victimhood from many
  people who will blow gratuitously from the bowels of
  [P]ostured [C]ondescensions blowing in the[ir] windmills of
  their static minds. Such are the disabilities of
  materialistic minds with petrified hearts aflame with the
  last vestiges of life screaming at the world who having been
  blessed with the privilege of the how-to of transcendent
  meditation yet will not have benefited from it properly, will
  not have flowed into the subtler realms of heart and mind for
  nothing more than conspicuous consumption has been their
  investment in this spiritually and morally liberating mudra
  of such a sublime meditation technique.

 I sometimes listen to TMO ceremonies and wonder how anybody could sit
 through such long winded glorious sounding nonsense, but clearly there
 are quite a few people who live in that mental state - but anyway, I
 do agree with you that vicious convulsions of victimhood are not
 warrented here.  The TMO's trend towards chauvinism has been going on
 since the 80s and it really doesn't matter.  The Mothers of Men are
 a few rajeswaris, most of whom aren't mothers of anything, all of whom
 have several hard working servants assigned to them -- that stuff
 about women staying at home floating in bliss applies to women with
  only -- and IMO even the Rajas don't really have any power in the
 mov't, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ 
wrote:
 
  As resolved on the 22nd of November, the final day of the European
  Assembly of National Leaders, there will now be two wings of
  administration of the Global Country of World Peace—one for men, 
  and one for the mothers of men.
 
 Wow. Just when I thought that the TMO couldn't
 possibly come up with a more inappropriate term
 than invincibility.
 
 Mothers of men. 
 
 Not only does it relegate women to the level
 of breed sows for the planet, it's only their
 men children that count.

You are a true pervert to be able to read something like that into 
the announcement ! You and Vaj has really lost it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As resolved on the 22nd of November, the final day of the European
 Assembly of National Leaders, there will now be two wings of
 administration of the Global Country of World Peace—one for men, 
 and one for the mothers of men.

Wow. Just when I thought that the TMO couldn't
possibly come up with a more inappropriate term
than invincibility.

Mothers of men. 

Not only does it relegate women to the level
of breed sows for the planet, it's only their
men children that count.

[FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[george_deforest]

 Not only does it relegate women 
 to the level of breed sows for the planet, 
 it's only their men children that count.

this is missing the point; in light of the rest:

 The administration of the mothers' wing of the Movement 
 will be on the level of silence functioning within itself. 
 Our administration will not be through human endeavour 
 but through human surrender -- from where silence operates.
 
 The mothers' wing will offer to every mother in the world 
 the opportunity to swing in the value of Saraswati --
 the Divine Mother,Goddess of Knowledge.

 We will offer to every mother the opportunity to be 
 mother at home, at home within her own transcendental 
 bliss consciousness.

the mothers get to sit home and swing in their bliss.

whereas, the men have to waste their time, tending to
mere human endeavor. 

it doesnt say the men count (thats a male fantasy);
the men are just worker bees, serving the queen mother.

[FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ 
 wrote:
  
   As resolved on the 22nd of November, the final day of the European
   Assembly of National Leaders, there will now be two wings of
   administration of the Global Country of World Peace—one for men, 
   and one for the mothers of men.
  
  Wow. Just when I thought that the TMO couldn't
  possibly come up with a more inappropriate term
  than invincibility.
  
  Mothers of men. 
  
  Not only does it relegate women to the level
  of breed sows for the planet, it's only their
  men children that count.
 
 You are a true pervert to be able to read something like that into 
 the announcement ! You and Vaj has really lost it.

How else to interpret it?  It's not Men and Women, it's not even Men
and Mothers, which would be weird enough.  It's Men and Mothers' of
Men, the word men has to be part of the female side for it to be
mentionable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Not only does it relegate women 
  to the level of breed sows for the planet, 
  it's only their men children that count.
 
 this is missing the point; in light of the rest:
 
  The administration of the mothers' wing of the Movement 
  will be on the level of silence functioning within itself. 
  Our administration will not be through human endeavour 
  but through human surrender -- from where silence operates.
  
  The mothers' wing will offer to every mother in the world 
  the opportunity to swing in the value of Saraswati --
  the Divine Mother,Goddess of Knowledge.
 
  We will offer to every mother the opportunity to be 
  mother at home, at home within her own transcendental 
  bliss consciousness.
 
 the mothers get to sit home and swing in their bliss.

Which is just a fancy way of saying the women will have no decision
making power or power to do anything.  In the full recording of this
announcement MMY says he only approved of having the 2nd female side
of the mov't after consulting and getting the OK from the Rajas.

[FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There will be many in the world, especially from North
 America, who are so out of touch with other cultures they
 will not comprehend this message nor the meaning(s) of some
 of the words in it, including surrender and mother,
 despite some of them having even been born feemale.  In the
 vast majority of the world the subtle influences of and
 respect for women and motherhood is rich and has much
 gravitas in personal and collective life, whereas nowhere in
 the world do mothers and motherhood have such vicious disdain
 in concept and factuality as in North America where
 motherhood, at best, is nothing more than a paradigm of
 chauvinistic indemnity and insatiable consumptionism in stark
 contrast to nature, to dharma anywhere in the universe as
 well as the rest of humanity around the globe.

Nowhere in the world are females and all aspects of womanhood,
including motherhood, held in such vicious disdain as in the
traditional fundamentalist religious sects of Islam, Hinduism and
Christianity, probably in that order.  Woman and mothers are generally
respected much more in progressive North America than in much of the
traditional world.  People who truly understand and respect the
feminine, including traditions that worship the divine feminine, do
not restrict the female to the role of mother and do not exclude the
female from decision-making processes in society.  They also celebrate
the birth of both girls and boys (there is no distinction between
mothers of women and mothers of men) - how many millions of baby girls
are either aborted or even killed after birth in Asia and Africa
purely for being girls not boys.  And people with half a brain in this
century have come to understand that flowery religious language about
woman staying mothers at home has to do with chauvinism not dharma.  

 While I perceive poor word choices in the construction of the
 original announcement, ever more do I anticipate vicious
 convulsions of presumed and feigned victimhood from many
 people who will blow gratuitously from the bowels of
 [P]ostured [C]ondescensions blowing in the[ir] windmills of
 their static minds. Such are the disabilities of
 materialistic minds with petrified hearts aflame with the
 last vestiges of life screaming at the world who having been
 blessed with the privilege of the how-to of transcendent
 meditation yet will not have benefited from it properly, will
 not have flowed into the subtler realms of heart and mind for
 nothing more than conspicuous consumption has been their
 investment in this spiritually and morally liberating mudra
 of such a sublime meditation technique.

I sometimes listen to TMO ceremonies and wonder how anybody could sit
through such long winded glorious sounding nonsense, but clearly there
are quite a few people who live in that mental state - but anyway, I
do agree with you that vicious convulsions of victimhood are not
warrented here.  The TMO's trend towards chauvinism has been going on
since the 80s and it really doesn't matter.  The Mothers of Men are
a few rajeswaris, most of whom aren't mothers of anything, all of whom
have several hard working servants assigned to them -- that stuff
about women staying at home floating in bliss applies to women with
 only -- and IMO even the Rajas don't really have any power in the
mov't, except the power to spend their money on projects.

It's all just play acting - the men in the TMO can dress up like kings
and design tall phallic buildings all they want as far as I care, but
how can a sane person not think that Men and Mothers of Men sounds
like something out of the strangest chapter of the Book of Mormon?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: mothers of men - TMO press release

[Angela Mailander]

I've only two posts left this week.  So here goes one of them. The TMO rhetoric 
on women sounds exactly like Hitler's rhetoric on women and on the sacred 
motherhood of strong Aryan sons.  

I'd like to know if you can give me chapter and verse from the book of Mormon 
that you have reference to--I'd like to see what that rhetoric is like, and 
if it is rhetoric or if it tells something about deep truths.  I have observed 
them, and from what I can see, they do family right--something I have not 
observed in the TMO. 

This is not so simple an issue.  But it is of paramount importance to the 
stability and peace of a society.  I know that in looking back on having to 
balance career and motherhood, my honest assessment is that I did neither one 
of them right, though I did the best I could in both areas.  

And, in a very real sense, it really was a question of money.  My grandmother, 
on the other hand, my father's mother, was able to balance career and 
motherhood.  But she belonged to the ruling classes, she was first lady in 
waiting to the last Swabian Queen, Queen Olga. My grandmother's career in 
working for the Queen was not the hard labor for sixteen-hour days that I saw 
women do in China or India while their children were God knows where. My 
grandmother was able to pay someone well enough to be part of the 
family--really part of the family, choosing someone she could trust to share 
her duties as a mother if she was called away to travel all over Europe on 
business for the Queen.  

Are these conditions you can create for every woman on the planet?  And the 
fact is, too, that she had the best education that could be had in Europe.  
That education is not a luxury if you want her to raise children to be worthy 
of the name of humanity.





boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
 Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  There will be many in the world, especially from North
  America, who are so out of touch with other cultures they
  will not comprehend this message nor the meaning(s) of some
  of the words in it, including surrender and mother,
  despite some of them having even been born feemale.  In the
  vast majority of the world the subtle influences of and
  respect for women and motherhood is rich and has much
  gravitas in personal and collective life, whereas nowhere in
  the world do mothers and motherhood have such vicious disdain
  in concept and factuality as in North America where
  motherhood, at best, is nothing more than a paradigm of
  chauvinistic indemnity and insatiable consumptionism in stark
  contrast to nature, to dharma anywhere in the universe as
  well as the rest of humanity around the globe.
 
 Nowhere in the world are females and all aspects of womanhood,
 including motherhood, held in such vicious disdain as in the
 traditional fundamentalist religious sects of Islam, Hinduism and
 Christianity, probably in that order.  Woman and mothers are generally
 respected much more in progressive North America than in much of the
 traditional world.  People who truly understand and respect the
 feminine, including traditions that worship the divine feminine, do
 not restrict the female to the role of mother and do not exclude the
 female from decision-making processes in society.  They also celebrate
 the birth of both girls and boys (there is no distinction between
 mothers of women and mothers of men) - how many millions of baby girls
 are either aborted or even killed after birth in Asia and Africa
 purely for being girls not boys.  And people with half a brain in this
 century have come to understand that flowery religious language about
 woman staying mothers at home has to do with chauvinism not dharma.  
 
  While I perceive poor word choices in the construction of the
  original announcement, ever more do I anticipate vicious
  convulsions of presumed and feigned victimhood from many
  people who will blow gratuitously from the bowels of
  [P]ostured [C]ondescensions blowing in the[ir] windmills of
  their static minds. Such are the disabilities of
  materialistic minds with petrified hearts aflame with the
  last vestiges of life screaming at the world who having been
  blessed with the privilege of the how-to of transcendent
  meditation yet will not have benefited from it properly, will
  not have flowed into the subtler realms of heart and mind for
  nothing more than conspicuous consumption has been their
  investment in this spiritually and morally liberating mudra
  of such a sublime meditation technique.
 
 I sometimes listen to TMO ceremonies and wonder how anybody could sit
 through such long winded glorious sounding nonsense, but clearly there
 are quite a few people who live in that mental state - but anyway, I
 do agree with you that vicious convulsions of victimhood are not
 warrented here.  The TMO's