[FairfieldLife] Re: new Pope says Buddhism is wanking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope I can be like you one day, without drugs. Llundrub, you can't be serious, can you? You are already me, like me, and better than me. You are taking (y)our Heartfire into places this- I never even dreamed existed, creating whole new Universes of incredibly rich (yet eerily muted) pearlescent light and shadow. You are a blind seer, a crazy poet, AND probably NOLA's finest cook. What a story! Dionysos lives! Rend the flesh and share it out, ye wild- haired maenads! IO-EVOE! Pass the salt. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new Pope says Buddhism is wanking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, you read the subject line correctly. It appears that our new Pope Ben has some odd views about Eastern religions. This is from an article by Rabbi Micheal Lerner in Tikkun, a Jewish, liberal, progressive paper and website. Published on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 by Tikkun.org The New Pope is a Disaster for the World and for the Jews Jewish Leader Denounces Selection of Cardinal Ratzinger as New Pope by Rabbi Michael Lerner [excerpt] While many of us agree with Ratzinger's critique of moral relativism, he extends that critique in illegitimate and dangerous ways, equating secularism with moral relativism and suggesting that secularism is now repressing religion. Ratzinger also publicly critiques all those inside the Church who are tolerant enough to think that other religions may have equal validity as a path to God. This is a slippery slope toward anti-Semitism and a return to the chauvinistic and triumphalist views that led the Church, when it had the power to do so, to develop its infamous crusades and inquisitions. In 1997 Ratzinger called Buddhism an autoerotic spirituality that offers transcendence without imposing concrete religious obligations. Hindusim, he said, offers false hope, in that it guarantees purification based on a morally cruel concept of reincarnation resembling a continuous circle of hell. At the time, Cardinal Ratzinger predicted that Buddhism would replace Marxism as the Catholic church's main enemy. [end excerpt] So what do you think Pope Ben means by this autoerotic spirituality'? Is he nuts? Webster's defines autoeroticism as masturbation. So it appears from our new font of wisdom in the Vatican that what Buddhism offers people is, well, just one long wank in the name of spirituality. Excuse me, I'm just off to meditate, Buddhist style . . . I heard a newscast that said the new pope had said Buddhism was auto-robotic. T hat seems to fit the context of his words better. I am guessing what you posted was a typo. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new Pope says Buddhism is wanking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, you read the subject line correctly. It appears that our new Pope Ben has some odd views about Eastern religions. This is from an article by Rabbi Micheal Lerner in Tikkun, a Jewish, liberal, progressive paper and website. Published on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 by Tikkun.org The New Pope is a Disaster for the World and for the Jews Jewish Leader Denounces Selection of Cardinal Ratzinger as New Pope by Rabbi Michael Lerner [excerpt] While many of us agree with Ratzinger's critique of moral relativism, he extends that critique in illegitimate and dangerous ways, equating secularism with moral relativism and suggesting that secularism is now repressing religion. Ratzinger also publicly critiques all those inside the Church who are tolerant enough to think that other religions may have equal validity as a path to God. This is a slippery slope toward anti-Semitism and a return to the chauvinistic and triumphalist views that led the Church, when it had the power to do so, to develop its infamous crusades and inquisitions. In 1997 Ratzinger called Buddhism an autoerotic spirituality that offers transcendence without imposing concrete religious obligations. Hindusim, he said, offers false hope, in that it guarantees purification based on a morally cruel concept of reincarnation resembling a continuous circle of hell. At the time, Cardinal Ratzinger predicted that Buddhism would replace Marxism as the Catholic church's main enemy. [end excerpt] So what do you think Pope Ben means by this autoerotic spirituality'? Is he nuts? Webster's defines autoeroticism as masturbation. So it appears from our new font of wisdom in the Vatican that what Buddhism offers people is, well, just one long wank in the name of spirituality. Excuse me, I'm just off to meditate, Buddhist style . . . I heard a newscast that said the new pope had said Buddhism was auto-robotic. T hat seems to fit the context of his words better. I am guessing what you posted was a typo. It appears that it was auto-eroticism not auto-roboticism' http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:mfojIhYWKsMJ:monasticdialog.com/a.php%3Fid%3D577%26t%3Dp+Ratzinger+buddhismhl=enclient=firefox-a Teasdale says that Ratzinger referred to Buddhism as a form of mental autoeroticism. In fact, Ratzinger was not speaking about Buddhism as such, but about how Buddhism appears to those Europeans who are using it to obtain some type of self-satisfying spiritual experience. http://www.thetablet.co.uk/cgi-bin/register.cgi/tablet-00936 In March 1997 Ratzinger offered a similarly harsh judgement on Buddhism, calling it an auto-erotic spirituality in an interview with a leading French newspaper. Buddhism, said Ratzinger, seeks transcendence without imposing concrete religious obligations. http://www.newint.org/issue327/worldbeaters.htm As if that weren't enough, the ever-busy Cardinal has used his privileged take on the Truth to set back inter-faith tolerance and religious pluralism a few decades. In 1997 Ratzinger annoyed Buddhists by calling their religion an `autoerotic spirituality' that offers `transcendence without imposing concrete religious obligations'. And Hinduism, he said, offers `false hope'; it guarantees `purification' based on a `morally cruel' concept of reincarnation resembling `a continuous circle of hell'. The Cardinal predicted Buddhism would replace Marxism as the Catholic Church's main enemy this century. On Eastern Meditation http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:o1Koot5mtyIJ:www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_n29_v113/ai_18792652+Ratzinger+buddhismhl=enclient=firefox-a What is most striking from a broader historical perspective is not that Ratzinger expressed reservations about Christian-Buddhist interaction but that the cardinal prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith accepted many basic premises of Lassalle's practice. Ratzinger's primary aim was to safeguard the integrity of Christian prayer to the triune God through Jesus Christ. Although his tone toward Buddhist and other Asian methods of meditation was largely suspicious, Ratzinger expanded upon the principle of Vatican II: Just as the Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions Vatican II, Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions, n.2], neither should these ways be rejected out of hand simply because they are not Christian. On the contrary, one can take from them what is useful so long as the Christian conception of prayer, its logic and requirements are never obscured (Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on Some Aspects of Christian Meditation, n. Ratzinger's central concern was that the
[FairfieldLife] Re: new Pope says Buddhism is wanking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip well, just one long wank in the name of spirituality. Excuse me, I'm just off to meditate, Buddhist style . . . let me know if you need an extra hand ;] Ponder deeply, who is doing the wanking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new Pope says Buddhism is wanking
On Apr 20, 2005, at 9:19 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Ponder deeply, who is doing the wanking. The hand that wanks is the hand that is empty. satori To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new Pope says Buddhism is wanking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ponder deeply, who is doing the wanking. The Self enjoying the Self? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new Pope says Buddhism is wanking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 20, 2005, at 9:19 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Ponder deeply, who is doing the wanking. The hand that wanks is the hand that is empty. satori now we need Rorry to tell us that we all wanking each other, which is one Self wanking itSelf. Yeah, you beat me to it (or beat yourSelf, for all i know):-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new Pope says Buddhism is wanking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) http://64.233.161.104/search? q=cache:mfojIhYWKsMJ:monasticdialog.com/a.php%3Fid%3D577%26t% 3Dp+Ratzinger+buddhismhl=enclient=firefox-a Teasdale says that Ratzinger referred to Buddhism as a form of mental autoeroticism. Hmmm, that would be mental masturbationsounds like what we do here. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new Pope says Buddhism is wanking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now we need Rorry to tell us that we all wanking each other, which is one Self wanking itSelf. This reminds me -- I was watching all of you tonight emerging from the core of the Self; in so emerging, every one of you contained the full glory of the Creator, in infinite freedom and splendor like columns of sunbright fire, each of us intimately connected and each free to explore and discover and create whole universes of unknown riches. I am so pleased with Us all; we sing together and separately in ways we have perhaps only begun to suspect. No matter what other costumes we may adopt or roles we may play out, on closer look, this is how you are to me, and how I love you as i love myself, for we share one Heart. Thank you all for Being. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
