[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paula Youmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This was interesting! > > Is the only way to find out about these practices the low low price > of 30k? (lol) That's for tuition at MUM, not to take the TM-Sidhis course. Not sure what they're charging for the TM-Sidhis these days--several thousand at least--but nowhere near $30,000. > I would be interested in knowing about the practice > itself.everything I google just talks about > The effort towards world peace and stuff. Even if the practice weren't a "private teaching" that is supposed to be kept private, it would be really difficult to describe it in a way that would both do justice to it and satisfy curiosity--just as with plain-vanilla TM, only more so. Essentially, it's a matter of entertaining in a particular manner various intentions, as formulated by Patanjali in the Yoga Sutras, at the most subtle level of awareness. Quoting from Keith Wallace's book "The Physiology of Consciousness": "Maharishi emphasizes that successful performance of the TM-Sidhi program...can occur only at the junction point between the active mind and silent pure consciousess. He explains that, at the point where the awareness has become so subtle as to merge with the unboundedness of pure consciousness, the term 'thinking process' takes an entirely new form--it becomes one with the self-interacting dynamics of pure consciousness: 'One's own transcendental consciousness, functioning within itself during the TM-Sidhi Program, is the unified field functioning within itself" Here, the mind is stationed at the level from where the performance of sanyam [the mental technique with which the intention is entertained] can elicit the total organizing power of the unified field to promote the desired effect [i.e., the specific siddhi]." Does that help any?? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paula Youmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It did help a little - thanks :-) > > I am reading patanjali now after years of being told I should lol Just be aware that the various English translations (and commentaries) do not necessarily reflect MMY's understanding of the Yoga Sutras. Patanjali's Sanskrit is very highly compressed, and it takes some guesswork to expand it so that it makes semantic sense (either that, or being enlightened and knowing what he was saying intuitively). > Guess I'll go from there and if I ever feel the need to levitate I'll figure > it out. > > Thanks for your time in explaining! > > I feel like a friend told me they saw a ghost and I am going, "You > did not.. ..where?" lol > Anyway - appreciate the response! My pleasure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
$5,000 for the upcoming CIC plus $800 for the flying block --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paula Youmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > This was interesting! > > > > Is the only way to find out about these practices the low low price > > of 30k? (lol) > > That's for tuition at MUM, not to take the TM-Sidhis > course. Not sure what they're charging for the TM-Sidhis > these days--several thousand at least--but nowhere near > $30,000. > > > I would be interested in knowing about the practice > > itself.everything I google just talks about > > The effort towards world peace and stuff. > > Even if the practice weren't a "private teaching" that > is supposed to be kept private, it would be really > difficult to describe it in a way that would both do > justice to it and satisfy curiosity--just as with > plain-vanilla TM, only more so. > > Essentially, it's a matter of entertaining in a > particular manner various intentions, as > formulated by Patanjali in the Yoga Sutras, at > the most subtle level of awareness. > > Quoting from Keith Wallace's book "The Physiology > of Consciousness": > > "Maharishi emphasizes that successful performance of > the TM-Sidhi program...can occur only at the junction > point between the active mind and silent pure > consciousess. He explains that, at the point where > the awareness has become so subtle as to merge with > the unboundedness of pure consciousness, the term > 'thinking process' takes an entirely new form--it > becomes one with the self-interacting dynamics of > pure consciousness: 'One's own transcendental > consciousness, functioning within itself during the > TM-Sidhi Program, is the unified field functioning > within itself" Here, the mind is stationed at > the level from where the performance of sanyam [the > mental technique with which the intention is > entertained] can elicit the total organizing power > of the unified field to promote the desired effect > [i.e., the specific siddhi]." > > Does that help any?? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yep, thanks for clearing that up, Judy. English translation--give me a > whole lot of $$ and I'll tell you the few words--um, I mean > sutras--that will change your entire life forever. You will realize the > entire spectrum of human possibilitiy, your mind will soar to new > heights while your awareness will be transformed. > > Then again, you just might end up broke. You certainly shouldn't spend the money if you can't afford it. > Go on over to Trancenet, Paula, the whole spiel is all there--for > free. Well, no, Sal, it isn't. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I noticed effects too, subtle but definitely there. What I object > too is the deceptive marketing Specifically what deceptive marketing? > and the fact that there has to be > marketing at all. Especially when, as it turns out, none of the $$ > was going to where most of us had been assured it was going. I don't recall being told the money for the course was going anywhere in particular. Where were you told it was going? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 10/17/05 1:43 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not > > a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years > > of regular practice before I noticed anything though > > and then did I notice!! > > I practiced regularly for 25 years and didn't notice anything. But maybe I'm > a dolt. I may try them again sometime if I get the urge and so unspeakably > cosmic that I stand a chance of getting some results. > FWIW, sometimes a "good" result in the very beginning might be quite counterproductive. I liked the "adhoretas" (as opposed to "uurdhvaretas") effect of my own "advanced" technique so much that I started intensely anticipating it which, of course, mighty effectively prevented it from happening at all, LOL! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Oct 17, 2005, at 4:13 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > I noticed effects too, subtle but definitely there. What I > > > object too is the deceptive marketing > > > > Specifically what deceptive marketing? > > Seen anybody fly lately? Sal, they've been holding public demonstrations of Yogic Flying since 1984, with oodles of press coverage, and they've been *very* open that nothing but hopping is going on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's not the way it started out though. That's why there was a > lawsuit about false advertising. Right, but you used the present tense, as though they were still doing it, when they've been honest about it for decades. > And, not to quibble over dates, but I think it was somewhat later > than 1984 when they came clean about the hopping. Could have been 1985, but not any later than that. Lawson would know for sure. That was the first Yogic Olympics in Washington. > In any case, most of us had started long before then. I started before then too (shortly before), but I'd known for some time it was only hopping. Maybe they weren't as circumspect at the Manhattan Center. Anyway, the point is that's past history for anybody thinking about starting now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paula Youmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This was interesting! > > Is the only way to find out about these practices the low low price of 30k? > (lol) > > I would be interested in knowing about the practice itself.everything I > google just talks about > > The effort towards world peace and stuff. > That's the tuition at MUM, not theprice of the sidhis. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 10/17/05 1:43 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not > > a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years > > of regular practice before I noticed anything though > > and then did I notice!! > > I practiced regularly for 25 years and didn't notice anything. But maybe I'm > a dolt. I may try them again sometime if I get the urge and so unspeakably > cosmic that I stand a chance of getting some results. > Huh. So you lied about finding benefit from the program when I asked you about it in Tucson these many years (decades) ago when you popped in for a presentation on the Sidhis? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I noticed effects too, subtle but definitely there. What I object too > is the deceptive marketing and the fact that there has to be marketing > at all. Especially when, as it turns out, none of the $$ was going to > where most of us had been assured it was going. > > Sal So where IS it going? > > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Peter wrote: > > > Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not > > a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years > > of regular practice before I noticed anything though > > and then did I notice!! > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 4:13 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > I noticed effects too, subtle but definitely there. What I object > > > too is the deceptive marketing > > > > Specifically what deceptive marketing? > > Seen anybody fly lately? Ask Unc. > > > > > > and the fact that there has to be > > > marketing at all. Especially when, as it turns out, none of the $$ > > > was going to where most of us had been assured it was going. > > > > I don't recall being told the money for the course was > > going anywhere in particular. Where were you told it > > was going? > > To MIU. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 5:36 PM, Paula Youmans wrote: > > > > > Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not > > > > a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years > > > > of regular practice before I noticed anything though > > > > and then did I notice!! > > > > > > What is TB? > > > > Is it like transcendental baby? > > > > Haha just a guess > > Close. A "True Believer"--typically one who accepts whole or at least > the "practice" part of the TMO/TM/TMSP package, without any or little > outside perspective. In it's worst manifestation you accept > everything the TMO spits out as "gospel". More commonly encountered > as "believers" are those who swallowed, hook-line-and-sinker, the ole > "fastest boat" idea, that TM was something really, unique, special-- > the best--and that the advanced techniques and the TMSP were natural > extensions of this best method, capable of taking you to full > enlightenment, Unity Consciousness. > Funky, I STILL believe or tentatively believe that TM is the best mediation technique, and unique, to boot. Extraspecially after hearing from those who disagree. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 4:13 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > I noticed effects too, subtle but definitely there. What I > > > > object too is the deceptive marketing > > > > > > Specifically what deceptive marketing? > > > > Seen anybody fly lately? > > Sal, they've been holding public demonstrations of > Yogic Flying since 1984, with oodles of press > coverage, and they've been *very* open that nothing > but hopping is going on. > What I love is that in the press clippings book from the first world demo, you can find reports complaining of the deception of trying to say that there is MORE than hopping going on AND you can find reports complaining that of the deception of claiming that ONLY hopping is going on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's not the way it started out though. That's why there was a > lawsuit about false advertising. Perhaps Rick remembers what he told us about Yogic FLying in 1976 in Tucson. > > And, not to quibble over dates, but I think it was somewhat later than > 1984 when they came clean about the hopping. In any case, most of us > had started long before then. The first public yogic flying competition was in 1986, I believe. How many is "most" btw? Most YOgic Fliers probably learned in the past 20 years, I think. > > Sal > > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 7:36 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > Sal, they've been holding public demonstrations of > > Yogic Flying since 1984, with oodles of press > > coverage, and they've been *very* open that nothing > > but hopping is going on. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 10/17/05 9:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> That's not the way it started out though. That's why there was a > >> lawsuit about false advertising. > > > > Right, but you used the present tense, as though > > they were still doing it, when they've been honest > > about it for decades. > > Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they > imply that something other than muscular thrust is causing the body > to lift up, i.e., that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it > isn't. What do you think accounts for the phenomenon that some people *appear* not to be exerting enough muscular effort to hop as high and as far as they do? I hop like a Mack truck myself, but I've seen folks hop in a way that just doesn't seem right to my kinesthetic sense of how people move in relation to their weight. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 10/17/05 9:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> That's not the way it started out though. That's why there was a > >> lawsuit about false advertising. > > > > Right, but you used the present tense, as though > > they were still doing it, when they've been honest > > about it for decades. > > Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they imply that > something other than muscular thrust is causing the body to lift up, i.e., > that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it isn't. *** The strongest young gymnasts can only do a very poor imitation of yogic flying for a couple minutes, at which time they are so exhausted that they can't carry on -- that alone indicates that even the slight evidence of YF to date is clearly consciousness-based, not muscle-based. YFers can do it for twenty minutes, so it's clearly not fatiguing like the tremendous muscular effort needed to throw the body around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bmorry2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > $5,000 for the upcoming CIC plus $800 for the flying block > > Ouch - definately aiming for the "high priced brand" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
I once found myself in a discussion with a westerner who had lived in India as a disciple with one of Guru Dev's other disciples (other than MMY) and who had encountered some TM:ers and was upset by how the TMO had misunderstood how to practice the Patanjali Yoga Sutras. He went on to explain how they should really be used - upon which I realized that what he told me was exactly what I had been told on the TM-Sidhi course. The way to properly use to YS is not "simply by repeating various phrases or words over and over" I have not followed this thread in detail so apologies if I kick in any open doors. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It does seem to be having some problems. Sorry for sending you on a > wild goose chase. It was a great website. > > Try searching for Patanjali Yoga Sutras on the web. That might bring > up something. They are supposed to be supernormal powers that you can > develop simply by repeating various phrases or words over and over. > Then again, you could always try ducking into a phone booth... > > Sal > > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Paula Youmans wrote: > > > Ok, Trancenet does not resolve for some reason, but I can try to poke > > into that later. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 10/17/05 1:43 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not > > a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years > > of regular practice before I noticed anything though > > and then did I notice!! > > I practiced regularly for 25 years > and didn't notice anything... What about the people around you? They are often the ones who notice the changes rather than ourselves. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 10/17/05 9:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> That's not the way it started out though. That's why there was a > >> lawsuit about false advertising. > > > > Right, but you used the present tense, as though > > they were still doing it, when they've been honest > > about it for decades. > > Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they imply that > something other than muscular thrust is causing the body to lift up, i.e., > that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it isn't. I think it is. The higher some people go, the lighter they fall. Some seem to progress to look like a flat round pebble skimming across water. But there is as well a heavy muscular phenomenon which affects some people at one time or another. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paula Youmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > It did help a little - thanks :-) > > > > I am reading patanjali now after years of being told I should lol > > Just be aware that the various English translations > (and commentaries) do not necessarily reflect MMY's > understanding of the Yoga Sutras. And that Maharishi's understanding of the Yoga Sutras does not necessarily reflect Patanjali. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 4:13 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > I noticed effects too, subtle but definitely there. What I > > > > object too is the deceptive marketing > > > > > > Specifically what deceptive marketing? > > > > Seen anybody fly lately? > > Sal, they've been holding public demonstrations of > Yogic Flying since 1984, with oodles of press > coverage, and they've been *very* open that nothing > but hopping is going on. HOWEVER, that is the "backlash" policy, instituted after the first year or so of the siddhis, during which they were very definitely presented in terms of people flying, walking through walls, etc. The policy Judy speaks about above was created when it became obvious that this was all bullshit, and a few people sued the TM movement. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paula Youmans" > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I am reading patanjali now after years of being told I should > >>> lol > >> > >> Just be aware that the various English translations > >> (and commentaries) do not necessarily reflect MMY's > >> understanding of the Yoga Sutras. > > > > And that Maharishi's understanding of the Yoga > > Sutras does not necessarily reflect Patanjali. > > Or the use of Patanjali in the Shankaracharya tradition. That would be in the "orthodox" Shankaracharya tradition, the one MMY maintains has been corrupted and no longer reflects the original teaching. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 4:13 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > > I noticed effects too, subtle but definitely there. What I > > > > > object too is the deceptive marketing > > > > > > > > Specifically what deceptive marketing? > > > > > > Seen anybody fly lately? > > > > Sal, they've been holding public demonstrations of > > Yogic Flying since 1984, with oodles of press > > coverage, and they've been *very* open that nothing > > but hopping is going on. > > HOWEVER, that is the "backlash" policy, instituted > after the first year or so of the siddhis, during > which they were very definitely presented in terms > of people flying, walking through walls, etc. > > The policy Judy speaks about above was created when > it became obvious that this was all bullshit, and > a few people sued the TM movement. For the record, the reason I specified a *date*, of course, was to indicate when the policy *changed*. We all know in the early years Yogic Flying was promoted deceptively. My point was that it hasn't been since the mid-'80s (Lawson says 1986), not that it never was. (I don't think it was even called Yogic Flying until they started holding the public demonstrations, the phrase having been invented to evoke the "three stages" notion so it could be explained that practitioners had achieved only the first stage.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 10/17/05 9:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> That's not the way it started out though. That's why there was a > > >> lawsuit about false advertising. > > > > > > Right, but you used the present tense, as though > > > they were still doing it, when they've been honest > > > about it for decades. > > > > Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they > > imply that something other than muscular thrust is causing the body > > to lift up, i.e., that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it > > isn't The TMO NEVER says the word "hopping" and ALWAYS uses the wordss "flying" or "levitation" when talking about the sidhis, in press conferences, in any public discussion. It's absurd to say the TMO is honest in saying they are teaching hopping. The winners in the "FLYING" competitions are always ex-athletes, often ex-gymnists, never the Bevans of the world. If it's really levitation why do the Bevans of the world always look like they're straining to get 1/2inch off the ground at best. (If you've never been in the men's dome, take my word for it). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- snip -- > The TMO NEVER says the word "hopping" and ALWAYS uses the wordss > "flying" or "levitation" when talking about the sidhis, in press > conferences, in any public discussion. That's because hopping is the initial stage of flying. If you were around at the earuly 19th century I would have expected to find you to be the odd-man out in the awed crowd at the Wright brother's attempts to build a functional flying machine, which in the initial stages was only 'hopping.' Maybe that Wright brothers showed have been stopped and made to shame for daring to state their belief in the notion of flying machines, even though all they could show was hopping..? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The TMO NEVER says the word "hopping" and ALWAYS uses the wordss > "flying" or "levitation" when talking about the sidhis, in press > conferences, in any public discussion. It's absurd to say the TMO > is honest in saying they are teaching hopping. Well, they're not teaching hopping, they're teaching flying, so it would be dishonest to say the former. At any rate, they routinely talk about the "three stages" of Yogic Flying, identifying the first as "hopping like a frog," and saying that's the most that has been achieved so far. > The winners in the "FLYING" competitions are always ex-athletes, > often ex-gymnists, never the Bevans of the world. If it's really > levitation why do the Bevans of the world always look like they're > straining to get 1/2inch off the ground at best. (If you've never > been in the men's dome, take my word for it). But nobody is suggesting it's "really levitation," except in the first-stage sense. And I've never heard the TMO say the muscles aren't involved at all. The question is whether the "Yogic Olympics" are *just* an athletic competition, or whether there's something else involved. It *looks* to me as though there is, not so much in terms of height and distance--although that's part of it versus the apparent effort being exerted--but more in the force of the touchdowns, even on foam. Ballet dancers can touch down in such a way that it looks like they weigh almost nothing, but they do it with their legs extended so they act as shock absorbers. In full lotus, there isn't much to work with in that respect. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 10/17/05 11:34 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they > >> imply that something other than muscular thrust is causing the body > >> to lift up, i.e., that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it > >> isn't. > > > > What do you think accounts for the phenomenon that > > some people *appear* not to be exerting enough > > muscular effort to hop as high and as far as they > > do? I hop like a Mack truck myself, but I've seen > > folks hop in a way that just doesn't seem right to > > my kinesthetic sense of how people move in relation > > to their weight. > > Ever see Michael Jordan play basketball in his prime? A physically > fit person can make moves that appear to defy gravity, but don't. Yeah, but in full lotus? I realized after I wrote the above that it isn't so much the height and distance versus the effort apparently being expended, as it is the lightness of the touchdowns, even on foam. When Jordan lands after a leap, he has the full length of his legs to act as shock absorbers. And even with athletes like Jordan, or ballet dancers, I don't get the same sense that something is awry in my eye's calculation of what it *should* look like when a particular body lands. > I do believe people can levitate and even that people in the TM > movement may have done so momentarily on rare occasions, but I > doubt it has ever happened regularly in group flying sessions. > There was an old guy named Elliot who was a plumber at MIU-CNL in > DC and later at MUM. A friend of mine, whom I believe, told me > that Elliot went through a phase when he first got the sidhis where > he was levitating a lot. Couldn't even sit on the toilet sometimes > without floating into the air. My friend said he saw him (not > necessarily the toilet episode) and took pictures. I'll see if I > can get them, scan them, and post them. The TMO might be *very* interested in such photos... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Oct 18, 2005, at 10:05 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > Well, they're not teaching hopping, they're teaching > > flying, so it would be dishonest to say the former. > > They are not "teaching" flying, they are teaching how to repeat > phrases mentally X number of times, suggesting that when you do, a > desire to hop should come over you. That's it. All of the silly > rationalizations in the world will not change that. I'd say what you just wrote is the silly rationalization. You could also say piano lessons teach you how to push down the keys of a piano. That's just playing with words. They're teaching a technique that they expect, or say they expect, to enable you to fly. > They have never shown how hopping can become flying--with good > reason, as they can't. Assuming they could, how *would* they show that, exactly? I don't know what you mean by "how hopping can become flying." I mean, on the face of it, hopping could become flying if you didn't come down after rising into the air. If you're saying they can't demonstrate not coming down, that isn't in contention. So I'm confused as to what point you're making. > And originally, as many have pointed out, the flying and hopping > language was interchangeable. True, I've pointed that out myself. But my *point* was that this has changed. > > At any rate, they routinely talk about the "three stages" > > of Yogic Flying, identifying the first as "hopping like a > > frog," and saying that's the most that has been achieved > > so far. > > > When was the last time you saw a frog fly, Judy? Seems like a non sequitur. The issue here was whether they ever refer to hopping rather than flying. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 10:57 PM, sparaig wrote: [...] > > Funky, I STILL believe or tentatively believe that TM is the best > > mediation technique, and unique, to boot. > > I thought you no longer practiced it? > Not with perfect regularity. I usually manage to get in one complete program a day, and if I'm lucky, 2. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > on 10/17/05 9:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> That's not the way it started out though. That's why there was a > > > >> lawsuit about false advertising. > > > > > > > > Right, but you used the present tense, as though > > > > they were still doing it, when they've been honest > > > > about it for decades. > > > > > > Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they > > > imply that something other than muscular thrust is causing the body > > > to lift up, i.e., that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it > > > isn't > > The TMO NEVER says the word "hopping" and ALWAYS uses the wordss > "flying" or "levitation" when talking about the sidhis, in press > conferences, in any public discussion. It's absurd to say the TMO is > honest in saying they are teaching hopping. ??? You're just plain wrong here. http://www.alltm.org/YFlying.html [...] The physical manifestations of the "Yogic Flying" vary with the practitioner. The Yoga Sutras of Mahrishi Patanjali describes three stages of immediately visible results. Stage One is generally associated with what would best be described as "hopping like a frog." Stage Two is flying through the air for a short time. Stage Three is complete mastery of the sky. The above photo and all "Yogic Flying" demonstrations to date depict Stage One results. http://www.maharishi-india.org/programmes/p2sidhi.html [...] Yogic Flying One aspect of the TM-Sidhi programme is called Yogic Flying. During the first stage of Yogic Flying, the body lifts up and moves forward in short hops. Subjectively one experiences exhilaration, lightness, and bliss. EEG studies show that during this practice, at the moment the body lifts up, coherence and integration is maximum in brain wave activity. This optimum coherence in brain functioning creates perfect mind/body co-ordination which is expressed by Yogic Flying. > > The winners in the "FLYING" competitions are always ex-athletes, often > ex-gymnists, never the Bevans of the world. If it's really levitation > why do the Bevans of the world always look like they're straining to > get 1/2inch off the ground at best. (If you've never been in the > men's dome, take my word for it). > It is muscle power, afterall, at least during the hopping stage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- snip -- > Peter, please! The Wright brothers went from short > hops to long flights rather quickly. Also there is a > rational, verifiable explanation as to how flight > works. The TMO offers only a magical explanation as > to how the flying sutras work and nobody has flown > since the introduction of the siddhis in 1977. Let's > see, the Wright brothers first flew in 1903... 28 > years later, 1931, what was the level of aviation > development then? They weren't still hopping, that's > for sure. > What grows slow grows solid..! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 18, 2005, at 10:05 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > Well, they're not teaching hopping, they're teaching > > flying, so it would be dishonest to say the former. > > They are not "teaching" flying, they are teaching how to repeat phrases > mentally X number of times, suggesting that when you do, a desire to > hop should come over you. That's it. All of the silly > rationalizations in the world will not change that. They have never > shown how hopping can become flying--with good reason, as they can't. -- snip -- I think you need and many others on this list need to have your sutra-practices checked. Seriously. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > How high did you go and for how long? > > I'm not sure how high I went up. Probably not too > high. It was straight up and I came down pretty fast. > I was impressed because it was, at least to me, a > sidhi. I've tried since then, but there's no way I > have ever been able to duplicate that kind of upward > movement when sitting in full lotus with back > completely straight, no matter how much muscular > effort I put into it and no matter how much shakti is > flowing. > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 10/17/05 11:55 PM, gullible fool at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > >> Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk > > >> about it, they imply that > > >> something other than muscular thrust is causing > > the > > >> body to lift up, i.e., > > >> that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it > > >> isn't. > > > > > > My very first hop was indeed a sidhi. Someone on > > my > > > flying block recommended I think to myself "I want > > to > > > hop" and I did and I went straight up. I was > > sitting > > > in full lotus with my back straight, and there's > > no > > > way I can do the usual hopping that is half shakti > > and > > > half muscular effort in full lotus with my back > > > straight. Someone witnessed it, too, so I know it > > > happened. It happened only once. > > > > How high did you go and for how long? I have also had some pretty big hops, but I think what i remember most was the really super blissful experience. The first year of flying was just sooo awesome. I looked forward to flying as the most enchanting part of each day. I felt such amazing bliss. I assumed that most everyone had that experience. When we first got our sidhis and starting the flying block, I was seated next to two other ladies. We all started flying in perfect unison. For all three of us, it was our first flying experience. How could you orchestrate that? Also, I remember that whenever someone was about to hop for the first time, they were like a magnet and the whole group would immediately be hopping in unison around that person. The whole flying hall would just go crazy. It was a total blast. I don't think anyone could mood make that experience into existence. > > > > > > __ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > On Oct 18, 2005, at 10:05 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > Well, they're not teaching hopping, they're teaching > > > flying, so it would be dishonest to say the former. > > > > They are not "teaching" flying, they are teaching how to repeat phrases > > mentally X number of times, suggesting that when you do, a desire to > > hop should come over you. That's it. All of the silly > > rationalizations in the world will not change that. They have never > > shown how hopping can become flying--with good reason, as they can't. > > -- snip -- > > I think you need and many others on this list need to have your > sutra-practices checked. Seriously. > Shhh... That's like suggesting that an old-time TM teacher might benefit from getting his meditation checked. COuldn't possibly be a valid suggestion... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > How high did you go and for how long? > > I'm not sure how high I went up. Probably not too > high. It was straight up and I came down pretty fast. > I was impressed because it was, at least to me, a > sidhi. I've tried since then, but there's no way I > have ever been able to duplicate that kind of upward > movement when sitting in full lotus with back > completely straight, no matter how much muscular > effort I put into it and no matter how much shakti is > flowing. I've found myself literally bouncing on my ass (seldom get into full lotus these days for various reasons) without any other part of me touching the matress. I hesitate to say that that is physically impossible using muscle power alone, but I've yet to duplicate outside of sidhis practice the motion that I remember sometimes performing during sidhis practice. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > How high did you go and for how long? > > > > I'm not sure how high I went up. Probably not too > > high. It was straight up and I came down pretty fast. > > I was impressed because it was, at least to me, a > > sidhi. I've tried since then, but there's no way I > > have ever been able to duplicate that kind of upward > > movement when sitting in full lotus with back > > completely straight, no matter how much muscular > > effort I put into it and no matter how much shakti is > > flowing. > > > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > on 10/17/05 11:55 PM, gullible fool at > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk > > > >> about it, they imply that > > > >> something other than muscular thrust is causing > > > the > > > >> body to lift up, i.e., > > > >> that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it > > > >> isn't. > > > > > > > > My very first hop was indeed a sidhi. Someone on > > > my > > > > flying block recommended I think to myself "I want > > > to > > > > hop" and I did and I went straight up. I was > > > sitting > > > > in full lotus with my back straight, and there's > > > no > > > > way I can do the usual hopping that is half shakti > > > and > > > > half muscular effort in full lotus with my back > > > > straight. Someone witnessed it, too, so I know it > > > > happened. It happened only once. > > > > > > How high did you go and for how long? > > I have also had some pretty big hops, but I think what i remember > most was the really super blissful experience. The first year of > flying was just sooo awesome. I looked forward to flying as the most > enchanting part of each day. I felt such amazing bliss. > I assumed that most everyone had that experience. > When we first got our sidhis and starting the flying block, I was > seated next to two other ladies. We all started flying in perfect > unison. For all three of us, it was our first flying experience. How > could you orchestrate that? Also, I remember that whenever someone > was about to hop for the first time, they were like a magnet and the > whole group would immediately be hopping in unison around that > person. The whole flying hall would just go crazy. It was a total > blast. I don't think anyone could mood make that experience into > existence. Well, probably you could. to be certain, you'd have to have a large group of people performing together in close proximaty to someone who was isolated enough thatthey couldn't tell what was going on withthe larger group, and see if the same phenomenon happens and if so, how often, etc. My intuition says they've tried it and the results are, at best, ambiguous... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
12Oct2005 Victory Day celebration http://mou.org In response to a press question, Maharishi explained why the effect is immediate. 'The science of Total Natural Law and the technology of Total Natural Law are not separatethey are the same,' Maharishi said. 'Total Natural Lawthe Unified Field, the Constitution of the Universe, the light of Godhas been sought by the wise throughout the ages. But now, in this scientific age, the omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent Unified Field has been found to be within the Self of everyone. So it is just a matter of a few groups of individuals applying it within their own Self to produce an immediate global effect.' For this, Maharishi said, the Transcendental Meditation Technique provides every individual with the experience of the unmanifest field of Total Natural Law within his own self-referral consciousness. Maharishi also said the advanced Yogic Flying technique provides every individual with the ability to command Total Natural Law, the field of gravity, from within his own Self through the power of thought alone. 'Gravity is the unifying value of Natural Law, which promotes the progress and well-being of everyone and everything in the universe,' Maharishi said. 'The force of gravity can be commanded by the mind through Yogic Flying to produce an immediate, ''push-button'' effect of progress and well-being for the whole world.' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 'Gravity is the unifying value of Natural Law, which promotes the > progress and well-being of everyone and everything in the universe,' > Maharishi said. 'The force of gravity can be commanded by the mind > through Yogic Flying to produce an immediate, ''push-button'' effect > of progress and well-being for the whole world.' Gravity is Love :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
It did help a little – thanks J I am reading patanjali now after years of being told I should lol Guess I’ll go from there and if I ever feel the need to levitate I’ll figure it out. Thanks for your time in explaining! I feel like a friend told me they saw a ghost and I am going, “You did not…. ….where?” lol Anyway – appreciate the response! ~Paula From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Does that help any?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Yep, thanks for clearing that up, Judy. English translation--give me a whole lot of $$ and I'll tell you the few words--um, I mean sutras--that will change your entire life forever. You will realize the entire spectrum of human possibilitiy, your mind will soar to new heights while your awareness will be transformed. Then again, you just might end up broke. Go on over to Trancenet, Paula, the whole spiel is all there--for free. Sal On Oct 17, 2005, at 10:52 AM, authfriend wrote: "Maharishi emphasizes that successful performance of the TM-Sidhi program...can occur only at the junction point between the active mind and silent pure consciousess. He explains that, at the point where the awareness has become so subtle as to merge with the unboundedness of pure consciousness, the term 'thinking process' takes an entirely new form--it becomes one with the self-interacting dynamics of pure consciousness: 'One's own transcendental consciousness, functioning within itself during the TM-Sidhi Program, is the unified field functioning within itself" Here, the mind is stationed at the level from where the performance of sanyam [the mental technique with which the intention is entertained] can elicit the total organizing power of the unified field to promote the desired effect [i.e., the specific siddhi]." Does that help any??
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years of regular practice before I noticed anything though and then did I notice!! --- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yep, thanks for clearing that up, Judy. English > translation--give me a > whole lot of $$ and I'll tell you the few words--um, > I mean > sutras--that will change your entire life forever. > You will realize the > entire spectrum of human possibilitiy, your mind > will soar to new > heights while your awareness will be transformed. > > Then again, you just might end up broke. > > Go on over to Trancenet, Paula, the whole spiel is > all there--for free. > > Sal > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 10:52 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > "Maharishi emphasizes that successful performance > of > > the TM-Sidhi program...can occur only at the > junction > > point between the active mind and silent pure > > consciousess. He explains that, at the point > where > > the awareness has become so subtle as to merge > with > > the unboundedness of pure consciousness, the term > > 'thinking process' takes an entirely new form--it > > becomes one with the self-interacting dynamics of > > pure consciousness: 'One's own transcendental > > consciousness, functioning within itself during > the > > TM-Sidhi Program, is the unified field > functioning > > within itself" Here, the mind is stationed > at > > the level from where the performance of sanyam > [the > > mental technique with which the intention is > > entertained] can elicit the total organizing > power > > of the unified field to promote the desired > effect > > [i.e., the specific siddhi]." > > > > Does that help any?? > __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
on 10/17/05 1:43 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not > a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years > of regular practice before I noticed anything though > and then did I notice!! I practiced regularly for 25 years and didn't notice anything. But maybe I'm a dolt. I may try them again sometime if I get the urge and so unspeakably cosmic that I stand a chance of getting some results. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
I noticed effects too, subtle but definitely there. What I object too is the deceptive marketing and the fact that there has to be marketing at all. Especially when, as it turns out, none of the $$ was going to where most of us had been assured it was going. Sal On Oct 17, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Peter wrote: Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years of regular practice before I noticed anything though and then did I notice!!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
I agree. --- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I noticed effects too, subtle but definitely there. > What I object too > is the deceptive marketing and the fact that there > has to be marketing > at all. Especially when, as it turns out, none of > the $$ was going to > where most of us had been assured it was going. > > Sal > > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Peter wrote: > > > Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm > not > > a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took > years > > of regular practice before I noticed anything > though > > and then did I notice!! > __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 10/17/05 1:43 PM, Peter at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm > not > > a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took > years > > of regular practice before I noticed anything > though > > and then did I notice!! > > I practiced regularly for 25 years and didn't notice > anything. But maybe I'm > a dolt. I may try them again sometime if I get the > urge and so unspeakably > cosmic that I stand a chance of getting some > results. How dare you call my initiator a dolt! > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
Ok, Trancenet does not resolve for some reason, but I can try to poke into that later. I just spoke to a very dear friend in India about where I might find this and he pointed me towards chapter 3 of the yoga sutras - vibhuti pada But that chapter was written as somewhat of a warning…. I think I understand about the potential “ego snare” And not practicing it for that sole purpose…that things just come as one progresses… 5K is a lot for me! But I am still very curious about this….guess I will think more about it after I read chapter three Thanks everyone P.S. I’m obviously a dolt as well, or I wouldn’t even be hunting this down lol To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
> > Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not > > a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years > > of regular practice before I noticed anything though > > and then did I notice!! What is TB? Is it like…transcendental baby? Haha…just a guess To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
On Oct 17, 2005, at 5:36 PM, Paula Youmans wrote: > > > Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not > > > a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years > > > of regular practice before I noticed anything though > > > and then did I notice!! > > > What is TB? > > Is it like…transcendental baby? > > Haha…just a guess Close. A "True Believer"--typically one who accepts whole or at least the "practice" part of the TMO/TM/TMSP package, without any or little outside perspective. In it's worst manifestation you accept everything the TMO spits out as "gospel". More commonly encountered as "believers" are those who swallowed, hook-line-and-sinker, the ole "fastest boat" idea, that TM was something really, unique, special-- the best--and that the advanced techniques and the TMSP were natural extensions of this best method, capable of taking you to full enlightenment, Unity Consciousness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Oct 17, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Paula Youmans wrote: > It did help a little – thanks J > I am reading patanjali now after years of being told I should lol What translation are you reading? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
What translation are you reading? * Sri Swami Satchidananda Hope that is a fairly decent one! I read a couple of them and then ponder for a while... At this rate I should be finished by summer of '06 lol. It is just one of those books that I cannot sit and read through all in one Take. ~Paula Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
It does seem to be having some problems. Sorry for sending you on a wild goose chase. It was a great website. Try searching for Patanjali Yoga Sutras on the web. That might bring up something. They are supposed to be supernormal powers that you can develop simply by repeating various phrases or words over and over. Then again, you could always try ducking into a phone booth... Sal On Oct 17, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Paula Youmans wrote: Ok, Trancenet does not resolve for some reason, but I can try to poke into that later.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
On Oct 17, 2005, at 4:13 PM, authfriend wrote: > I noticed effects too, subtle but definitely there. What I object > too is the deceptive marketing Specifically what deceptive marketing? Seen anybody fly lately? > and the fact that there has to be > marketing at all. Especially when, as it turns out, none of the $$ > was going to where most of us had been assured it was going. I don't recall being told the money for the course was going anywhere in particular. Where were you told it was going? To MIU.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
True believer. Sal On Oct 17, 2005, at 4:36 PM, Paula Youmans wrote: What is TB?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
That's not the way it started out though. That's why there was a lawsuit about false advertising. And, not to quibble over dates, but I think it was somewhat later than 1984 when they came clean about the hopping. In any case, most of us had started long before then. Sal On Oct 17, 2005, at 7:36 PM, authfriend wrote: Sal, they've been holding public demonstrations of Yogic Flying since 1984, with oodles of press coverage, and they've been *very* open that nothing but hopping is going on.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
on 10/17/05 9:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> That's not the way it started out though. That's why there was a >> lawsuit about false advertising. > > Right, but you used the present tense, as though > they were still doing it, when they've been honest > about it for decades. Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they imply that something other than muscular thrust is causing the body to lift up, i.e., that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it isn't. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
> Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk > about it, they imply that > something other than muscular thrust is causing the > body to lift up, i.e., > that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it > isn't. My very first hop was indeed a sidhi. Someone on my flying block recommended I think to myself "I want to hop" and I did and I went straight up. I was sitting in full lotus with my back straight, and there's no way I can do the usual hopping that is half shakti and half muscular effort in full lotus with my back straight. Someone witnessed it, too, so I know it happened. It happened only once. --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 10/17/05 9:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> That's not the way it started out though. That's > why there was a > >> lawsuit about false advertising. > > > > Right, but you used the present tense, as though > > they were still doing it, when they've been honest > > about it for decades. > > Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk > about it, they imply that > something other than muscular thrust is causing the > body to lift up, i.e., > that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it > isn't. __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paula Youmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It did help a little - thanks :-) I am reading patanjali now after years of being told I should lol Just be aware that the various English translations (and commentaries) do not necessarily reflect MMY's understanding of the Yoga Sutras. And that Maharishi's understanding of the Yoga Sutras does not necessarily reflect Patanjali. Or the use of Patanjali in the Shankaracharya tradition. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
On Oct 17, 2005, at 10:57 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 17, 2005, at 5:36 PM, Paula Youmans wrote: Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years of regular practice before I noticed anything though and then did I notice!! What is TB? Is it like…transcendental baby? Haha…just a guess Close. A "True Believer"--typically one who accepts whole or at least the "practice" part of the TMO/TM/TMSP package, without any or little outside perspective. In it's worst manifestation you accept everything the TMO spits out as "gospel". More commonly encountered as "believers" are those who swallowed, hook-line-and-sinker, the ole "fastest boat" idea, that TM was something really, unique, special-- the best--and that the advanced techniques and the TMSP were natural extensions of this best method, capable of taking you to full enlightenment, Unity Consciousness. Funky, I STILL believe or tentatively believe that TM is the best mediation technique, and unique, to boot. I thought you no longer practiced it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 4:13 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > > I noticed effects too, subtle but definitely > there. What I > > > > > object too is the deceptive marketing > > > > > > > > Specifically what deceptive marketing? > > > > > > Seen anybody fly lately? > > > > Sal, they've been holding public demonstrations of > > Yogic Flying since 1984, with oodles of press > > coverage, and they've been *very* open that > nothing > > but hopping is going on. > > HOWEVER, that is the "backlash" policy, instituted > after the first year or so of the siddhis, during > which they were very definitely presented in terms > of people flying, walking through walls, etc. > > The policy Judy speaks about above was created when > it became obvious that this was all bullshit, and > a few people sued the TM movement. When the siddhis first came out there were all those posters that had Jane what's-her-name apparently flying about 40 feet down a length of foam. Of course it was all marketing BS by MMY and the TMO. It's MMY's business ethics. Truth in advertising has never been necessary for MMY. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- petepeterklutztepeterklutzoo.com.au> auote: > > --- In FairFairfieldLifeoyahoogroups, > "markmarkmeredith" > wrote: > > -- snip -- > > > The TMO TMOER says the word "hopping" and ALWAYS > uses the wordwordss> "flying" or "levitation" when talking about the > sidhsidhis press > > conferences, in any public discussion. > > That's because hopping is the initial stage of > flying. > > If you were around at the earuearulyh cthtury I > would have expected to > find you to be the odd-man out in the awed crowd at > the Wright > brother's attempts to build a functional flying > machine, which in the > initial stages was only 'hopping.' > > Maybe that Wright brothers showed have been stopped > and made to shame > for daring to state their belief in the notion of > flying machines, > even though all they could show was hopping..? Peter, please! The Wright brothers went from short hops to long flights rather quickly. Also there is a rational, verifiable explanation as to how flight works. The TMO offers only a magical explanation as to how the flying sutras work and nobody has flown since the introduction of the siddhis in 1977. Let's see, the Wright brothers first flew in 1903... 28 years later, 1931, what was the level of aviation development then? They weren't still hopping, that's for sure. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > httphttps.click.yahoo.com/dpRUdpRUUILwUILAASyQLSAAoJjtolB > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > httphttproups.yahoo.com/group/FairFairfieldLife and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > FairFairfieldLifeuunsubscribeoyahoogroups > > > > > > __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
on 10/17/05 11:34 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they >> imply that something other than muscular thrust is causing the body >> to lift up, i.e., that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it >> isn't. > > What do you think accounts for the phenomenon that > some people *appear* not to be exerting enough > muscular effort to hop as high and as far as they > do? I hop like a Mack truck myself, but I've seen > folks hop in a way that just doesn't seem right to > my kinesthetic sense of how people move in relation > to their weight. Ever see Michael Jordan play basketball in his prime? A physically fit person can make moves that appear to defy gravity, but don't. I do believe people can levitate and even that people in the TM movement may have done so momentarily on rare occasions, but I doubt it has ever happened regularly in group flying sessions. There was an old guy named Elliot who was a plumber at MIU-CNL in DC and later at MUM. A friend of mine, whom I believe, told me that Elliot went through a phase when he first got the sidhis where he was levitating a lot. Couldn't even sit on the toilet sometimes without floating into the air. My friend said he saw him (not necessarily the toilet episode) and took pictures. I'll see if I can get them, scan them, and post them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
on 10/17/05 11:55 PM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk >> about it, they imply that >> something other than muscular thrust is causing the >> body to lift up, i.e., >> that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it >> isn't. > > My very first hop was indeed a sidhi. Someone on my > flying block recommended I think to myself "I want to > hop" and I did and I went straight up. I was sitting > in full lotus with my back straight, and there's no > way I can do the usual hopping that is half shakti and > half muscular effort in full lotus with my back > straight. Someone witnessed it, too, so I know it > happened. It happened only once. How high did you go and for how long? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
On Oct 18, 2005, at 10:05 AM, authfriend wrote: Well, they're not teaching hopping, they're teaching flying, so it would be dishonest to say the former. They are not "teaching" flying, they are teaching how to repeat phrases mentally X number of times, suggesting that when you do, a desire to hop should come over you. That's it. All of the silly rationalizations in the world will not change that. They have never shown how hopping can become flying--with good reason, as they can't. And originally, as many have pointed out, the flying and hopping language was interchangeable. At any rate, they routinely talk about the "three stages" of Yogic Flying, identifying the first as "hopping like a frog," and saying that's the most that has been achieved so far. When was the last time you saw a frog fly, Judy? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- m2smart4u2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > How high did you go and for how long? > > > > I'm not sure how high I went up. Probably not too > > high. It was straight up and I came down pretty > fast. > > I was impressed because it was, at least to me, a > > sidhi. I've tried since then, but there's no way I > > have ever been able to duplicate that kind of > upward > > movement when sitting in full lotus with back > > completely straight, no matter how much muscular > > effort I put into it and no matter how much shakti > is > > flowing. > > > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > on 10/17/05 11:55 PM, gullible fool at > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> Even now though, when Maharishi and others > talk > > > >> about it, they imply that > > > >> something other than muscular thrust is > causing > > > the > > > >> body to lift up, i.e., > > > >> that Newtonian physics is being defied, which > it > > > >> isn't. > > > > > > > > My very first hop was indeed a sidhi. Someone > on > > > my > > > > flying block recommended I think to myself "I > want > > > to > > > > hop" and I did and I went straight up. I was > > > sitting > > > > in full lotus with my back straight, and > there's > > > no > > > > way I can do the usual hopping that is half > shakti > > > and > > > > half muscular effort in full lotus with my > back > > > > straight. Someone witnessed it, too, so I know > it > > > > happened. It happened only once. > > > > > > How high did you go and for how long? > > I have also had some pretty big hops, but I think > what i remember > most was the really super blissful experience. The > first year of > flying was just sooo awesome. I looked forward to > flying as the most > enchanting part of each day. I felt such amazing > bliss. > I assumed that most everyone had that experience. > When we first got our sidhis and starting the flying > block, I was > seated next to two other ladies. We all started > flying in perfect > unison. For all three of us, it was our first flying > experience. How > could you orchestrate that? Also, I remember that > whenever someone > was about to hop for the first time, they were like > a magnet and the > whole group would immediately be hopping in unison > around that > person. The whole flying hall would just go crazy. > It was a total > blast. I don't think anyone could mood make that > experience into > existence. All that subtle energy and group coherence is very, very real. That's consciousness being pulled up into relative awareness burning out stress and creating bliss. That gets more and more intense until you start having sidhis in the subjective domain. I don't know of anyone that this "path" continued into the objective domain. > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home > page! > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
on 10/18/05 10:31 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > All that subtle energy and group coherence is very, > very real. That's consciousness being pulled up into > relative awareness burning out stress and creating > bliss. That gets more and more intense until you start > having sidhis in the subjective domain. I don't know > of anyone that this "path" continued into the > objective domain. And what was also really cool was the time when we had over 8,000 flying together during the Taste of Slobovia course - winter of 80-something. The effect of such a large group was very palpable, at least to those in it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
> How high did you go and for how long? I'm not sure how high I went up. Probably not too high. It was straight up and I came down pretty fast. I was impressed because it was, at least to me, a sidhi. I've tried since then, but there's no way I have ever been able to duplicate that kind of upward movement when sitting in full lotus with back completely straight, no matter how much muscular effort I put into it and no matter how much shakti is flowing. --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 10/17/05 11:55 PM, gullible fool at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >> Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk > >> about it, they imply that > >> something other than muscular thrust is causing > the > >> body to lift up, i.e., > >> that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it > >> isn't. > > > > My very first hop was indeed a sidhi. Someone on > my > > flying block recommended I think to myself "I want > to > > hop" and I did and I went straight up. I was > sitting > > in full lotus with my back straight, and there's > no > > way I can do the usual hopping that is half shakti > and > > half muscular effort in full lotus with my back > > straight. Someone witnessed it, too, so I know it > > happened. It happened only once. > > How high did you go and for how long? __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
