Re: [FairfieldLife] Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
Dear Lord Knows, I am glad that you chose to initially post here on FFL and engage with Robin. One thing about FFL - the forum specializes in handling a wide range of realities. And it handles the rough stuff equally as well as it does the easier topics, so no worries there. There is room here for all sorts of characters and personalities and all have a signature style. While it may be true that, at times, Robin's signature style is easily perceived as reminiscent of days long ago (particularly for those that knew him or that are triggered by his personality/writing), he wields no power over the forum or its participants, nor does he want any, if you choose to believe him at his word. Robin has no ability to control anyone on this forum. Those that post on this forum open themselves up to receiving a host of different responses. Robin, being who he was back as a cult leader and as the person he is today, has been on the receiving end of a great many critical responses (and I put that lightly wouldn't you agree?). The forum has very few hard and fast rules and, in general, with few exceptions, is open to all. I can't talk of the Robin of yesteryear and I'm glad that I can't, but where today you might see manipulative and game playing - I might see business as usual and competitive. I don't have the triggers or the context you do however, and I respect your right to your reality and I am so terribly sorry for your wounds. The deepest ones take the longest to heal and real forgiveness sometimes likely requires ruthless accountability on all sides in addition to the BVM (in my world). Without negating your experience in any way or even your perception of Robin's current MO on this forum, I would think, however, that you would have to agree that any attempts by Robin to manipulate the forum or those on it, including Curtis, into abandoning their reality, or experience, or even belief system, or into subjugating themselves in any way to him, or his condemnation or moral judgment, has been a grand failure. And I state this in the context of *your* perception that this is his goal. Robin has admitted to doing great harm and has stated his regrets multiple times of late, in particular. He may have explained his frame of mind in the context of his experience with UC, but he has still admitted it and has been willing to take responsibility for his actions - even if it seems a bit messy at times, he has held to this commitment on the whole (based on what he's posted here and that's all we have to go by, remember). After all, he is human too. In the here and now and as he presents today, Robin's presence on FFL is greatly enjoyed by many here. He has added a lot to the forum. FFL is an odd place in many regards, and it rejects almost no one, which gives it an unconditional quality of sorts. FFL deals directly or indirectly with many aspects of the human condition. It can be weirdly healing sometimes - with a sort of rough and tumble witnessing aspect augmented by new knowledge, new perspectives, humor, irony, and just enough love and compassion thrown in to soften the blows. Many here are older than I by 10 to 20 years I'm guessing - the older generation (tee hee) - tough cookies, highly intelligent, fountains of knowledge and experience, and frightfully funny as hell in many regards. To capture another line used in The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel - it's always alright in the end; if it's not alright, it's not the end. From: Lord Knows lordknows...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 6:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra Dear Robin, I know you well, I was in the inner circle of your followers. I lived in the group house you named Annapurna in Victoria. I fully experienced what ultimately became a waking nightmare in being a member of your cult. I have a vivid memory of the day when a member of the group who had been extremely close to you attempted suicide after you ruthlessly confronted her and declared her to be an evil being who was only appearing in the guise of a human being. I remember the meeting at Heronwater in which you spoke with ice cold disdain about her when the news came of her attempted suicide, your only concern was to send someone to her apartment to collect any items from her belongings that could connect her to you. This is a fact, a horrible ugly fact which could be verified by all the people in that room, about 15 members of the inner circle.I am not proud of my involvement in this and many other heartless atrocities that took place over the years I was associated with you. In due time my turn came to be on the receiving end of an ultimate pronouncement on my soul as being irretrievably lost and after being brutally confronted by you and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
This would make an excellent starting point for a RWC and WTS FAQ, in my opinion. It’s the bitch-slap of enlightened insight. Thanks for taking the time, effort and emotional digging it took to write this. And ditto on wishing RWC the best - think of it as a ‘shirts off bear hug' R. :-). On Aug 6, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Lord Knows lordknows...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Robin, I know you well, I was in the inner circle of your followers. I lived in the group house you named Annapurna in Victoria. I fully experienced what ultimately became a waking nightmare in being a member of your cult. I have a vivid memory of the day when a member of the group who had been extremely close to you attempted suicide after you ruthlessly confronted her and declared her to be an evil being who was only appearing in the guise of a human being. I remember the meeting at Heronwater in which you spoke with ice cold disdain about her when the news came of her attempted suicide, your only concern was to send someone to her apartment to collect any items from her belongings that could connect her to you. This is a fact, a horrible ugly fact which could be verified by all the people in that room, about 15 members of the inner circle.I am not proud of my involvement in this and many other heartless atrocities that took place over the years I was associated with you. In due time my turn came to be on the receiving end of an ultimate pronouncement on my soul as being irretrievably lost and after being brutally confronted by you and the whole group I was ejected from the cult with great scorn. This was the standard operating procedure and happened to many others over the years. Robin I have a simple question for you, what in your background gives you the the standing, the credibility to make pronouncements about the ultimate value of the Eastern Spiritual tradition and declare the death of Christianity? I would have thought that if you were truly remorseful for the harm you had done to so many people, the last thing you would have wanted to do is to give into the temptation to represent yourself as an authority capable of passing judgment on whole spiritual traditions as well as in some instances making harsh judgments about individuals on FFL. Robin you were never enlightened nothing could be more obvious. The biographies of enlightened teachers down through time are filled with stories of their extraordinary love, compassion and sacrifice in being of profound service to their followers. Yours is a record of extraordinary abuse done to your followers. I care not a whit for your experience of enlightenment it is all words, words, words. You did not walk the talk, you were never enlightened. In my opinion you were someone who was mentally unbalanced who had a very expansive spiritual experience whose ego appropriated it instantly and you ran with it. You have natural gifts of intellect and charisma which made it possible for you to attract a small group around you who fell for it hook, line, and sinker. The center piece of your unique revelations as an enlightened man was the imperative to confront your followers in order to expose the demonic and then expel it. Where in the biographies of enlightened sages do you find this method being used to enlighten the disciples? The idea that you were faithful and true to Maharishi and his teaching is pure fiction that lives on in your mind and your mind alone. To put into perspective and accurate chronology your revelation about the Eastern spiritual tradition, it came in 1987 when you told the group that the the mantras we received through TM were the names of demons or fallen angels. It did not come years later after you had purged yourself of your supposed enlightenment.It was while you were still in a self admitted deeply disturbed state that you received this truth, and not as you have represented here as coming years later. In fact at the time this revelation came to you, you also believed that your wife was the incarnation of the devil and that Jewish people were evil. This was the nature of your very disturbed mind when you had the revelation that the whole Eastern spiritual tradition was satanic. The one new conclusion that you have offered here on FFL is that the Christian tradition and most significantly the Catholic tradition no longer has any spiritual substance whatsoever and has not since the bombing by the Allies of the monastery of Monte Cassino (1945) during World War II. A very strange and eccentric theory, which is at odds with the example of Mother Teresa's life (1910-1997) and also that of saint Padre Pio (1887-1968), to give just two prominent examples. Robin your record of accuracy on your grand theories and insights is abysmal. A pharmacy student in college is allowed only 3 occasions of lethal errors in making up prescriptions before
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
On 08/06/2012 06:25 PM, Lord Knows wrote: A note to readers of FFL who have found Robin to be very intelligent, erudite, insightful, even at times kind and thoughtful. Yes Robin was all of that and more when we followed him as well, but at bottom Robin is not trustworthy, he is not what he seems. I had heard of Robin years ago when he was up to his mischief and a friend from Fairfield told me about him. He showed up here posting a wall of words which is usually the sign of an uneducated person posting. I suggested he format his posts better or people wouldn't read them. He continues to post long-winded posts which I also usually don't bother with. To me he just reads like a sociopath and certainly not the first one I've encountered from the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Some facts and background on Robin Carlsen / umasking the zebra
Dear Robin, I know you well, I was in the inner circle of your followers. I lived in the group house you named Annapurna in Victoria. I fully experienced what ultimately became a waking nightmare in being a member of your cult. I have a vivid memory of the day when a member of the group who had been extremely close to you attempted suicide after you ruthlessly confronted her and declared her to be an evil being who was only appearing in the guise of a human being. I remember the meeting at Heronwater in which you spoke with ice cold disdain about her when the news came of her attempted suicide, your only concern was to send someone to her apartment to collect any items from her belongings that could connect her to you. This is a fact, a horrible ugly fact which could be verified by all the people in that room, about 15 members of the inner circle.I am not proud of my involvement in this and many other heartless atrocities that took place over the years I was associated with you. In due time my turn came to be on the receiving end of an ultimate pronouncement on my soul as being irretrievably lost and after being brutally confronted by you and the whole group I was ejected from the cult with great scorn. This was the standard operating procedure and happened to many others over the years. Robin I have a simple question for you, what in your background gives you the the standing, the credibility to make pronouncements about the ultimate value of the Eastern Spiritual tradition and declare the death of Christianity? I would have thought that if you were truly remorseful for the harm you had done to so many people, the last thing you would have wanted to do is to give into the temptation to represent yourself as an authority capable of passing judgment on whole spiritual traditions as well as in some instances making harsh judgments about individuals on FFL. Robin you were never enlightened nothing could be more obvious. The biographies of enlightened teachers down through time are filled with stories of their extraordinary love, compassion and sacrifice in being of profound service to their followers. Yours is a record of extraordinary abuse done to your followers. I care not a whit for your experience of enlightenment it is all words, words, words. You did not walk the talk, you were never enlightened. In my opinion you were someone who was mentally unbalanced who had a very expansive spiritual experience whose ego appropriated it instantly and you ran with it. You have natural gifts of intellect and charisma which made it possible for you to attract a small group around you who fell for it hook, line, and sinker. The center piece of your unique revelations as an enlightened man was the imperative to confront your followers in order to expose the demonic and then expel it. Where in the biographies of enlightened sages do you find this method being used to enlighten the disciples? The idea that you were faithful and true to Maharishi and his teaching is pure fiction that lives on in your mind and your mind alone. To put into perspective and accurate chronology your revelation about the Eastern spiritual tradition, it came in 1987 when you told the group that the the mantras we received through TM were the names of demons or fallen angels. It did not come years later after you had purged yourself of your supposed enlightenment.It was while you were still in a self admitted deeply disturbed state that you received this truth, and not as you have represented here as coming years later. In fact at the time this revelation came to you, you also believed that your wife was the incarnation of the devil and that Jewish people were evil. This was the nature of your very disturbed mind when you had the revelation that the whole Eastern spiritual tradition was satanic. The one new conclusion that you have offered here on FFL is that the Christian tradition and most significantly the Catholic tradition no longer has any spiritual substance whatsoever and has not since the bombing by the Allies of the monastery of Monte Cassino (1945) during World War II. A very strange and eccentric theory, which is at odds with the example of Mother Teresa's life (1910-1997) and also that of saint Padre Pio (1887-1968), to give just two prominent examples. Robin your record of accuracy on your grand theories and insights is abysmal. A pharmacy student in college is allowed only 3 occasions of lethal errors in making up prescriptions before he is bounced out of the pharmacy department, if you were held to the same standard as a practicing spiritual teacher you would have flunked out a hell of long time ago. Why it is you think anyone would believe and trust what you have to say about religious or metaphysical truth is beyond all reckoning. I am aware of your subtle way of controlling the context by claiming you are only just innocently following the
