[FairfieldLife] The Protect The Woo Woo Orgy (was Re: More advice, please)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > The response to Shemp's question has been > > > a veritable orgy of "Oh...another opportunity > > > to protect my belief in my favorite form of > > > Woo Woo by urging someone else to believe in > > > it, too." > > > > From another post of Barry's the same day: > > > > > Those who believe that the vegetables they eat don't > > > feel being killed just haven't looked very deeply > > > into things. Note that Barry's self-importance prevents him from having a chuckle at his own expense. > How long are you going to pretend that you > didn't see this post, Judy? Are you going > to be as much of a wimp about addressing it > as Raunchydog was? I thought you'd never ask... I'l be happy to respond to it if you address the question to me respectfully. "Hillary Hanger-On-ers" is not acceptable, sorry. I'm not holding my breath; you'd far rather take the opportunity to accuse me of being a coward than find out what I actually think.
[FairfieldLife] The Protect The Woo Woo Orgy (was Re: More advice, please)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > The response to Shemp's question has been > > a veritable orgy of "Oh...another opportunity > > to protect my belief in my favorite form of > > Woo Woo by urging someone else to believe in > > it, too." > > From another post of Barry's the same day: > > > Those who believe that the vegetables they eat don't > > feel being killed just haven't looked very deeply > > into things. How long are you going to pretend that you didn't see this post, Judy? Are you going to be as much of a wimp about addressing it as Raunchydog was? A Challenge To The Hillary Hanger-On-ers Having written earlier about TRENDS in people's posts, here's another I've noticed. Here it is over a year after Hillary lost her bid for the Presidential nomination, the Hillary Hanger-On-ers keep bringing it up, and yet I cannot remember a single post in which they pointed out a reason for her losing *that was Hillary's fault*. Everything has been in terms of victim mentality. "Hillary lost because such-and-such was done to her." "Hillary lost because so-and-so done her wrong." "Hillary lost because the deck was stacked against her by such-and-such nefarious people or organization." NOT ONCE do I remember the two strident Hillary sup- porters citing anything that was actually Hillary's FAULT as a reason for her loss. It was always SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT. So here's my challenge: Write a post in which you list five things that Hillary Clinton did wrong or did badly -- so wrong or so badly that these mistakes or inadequacies cost her the nom- ination. These five "bullet points" cannot be "back-door blame" arguments, like "Hillary wasn't tough enough on all the people using sexism against her," which implies (again) that losing wasn't really her fault...it was these *other* people's fault...the ones she wasn't tough enough on. Nope, these have to be five mistakes or mis- steps that she herself bears the responsibility for. Because -- damnit -- Hillary was running for the biggest "The Buck Stops Here" office in the world. IF she had won the nomination and the Presidency, she would not have been *able* to play the "blame game" and point fingers at others when criticized. As President, the buck stops with her. As a candidate for President, and the person in charge of her campaign, I think that the buck stops equally with her. To her credit, I've seen Hillary be open about and take responsibility for some of these fuckups on her part. To her credit, *she* does not whine and play the "blame game," especially now that the "game" is history, and forgotten by all except those who don't seem to be able to play anything *else*. This should not be a hard task. I can think of five such points just off the top of my head. If I needed to Google to back them up, I can think of five or six articles written during the primaries by journalists traveling with Hillary's campaign that wrote eloquently about the chaos behind the scenes, the ego-battles and histrionics, the in-fighting, the economic shambles that her campaign became, and the effect that *her* behind-the-scenes tendency to rip her campaign members a new asshole when things were going badly. You Hillary Hanger-On-ers should equally be able to find such articles, and thus come up with five points to meet my challenge. But will you? Are you even ABLE to put into writing the things that Hillary did wrong *without* blaming them on someone else? I guess we'll see...
[FairfieldLife] The Protect The Woo Woo Orgy (was Re: More advice, please)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > The response to Shemp's question has been > a veritable orgy of "Oh...another opportunity > to protect my belief in my favorite form of > Woo Woo by urging someone else to believe in > it, too." >From another post of Barry's the same day: > Those who believe that the vegetables they eat don't > feel being killed just haven't looked very deeply > into things.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Protect The Woo Woo Orgy (was Re: More advice, please)
It's just a ride wrote: > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > > >> I don't think anyone was "prescribing" any alternative health care >> stuff. Instead suggesting things to try. After all ayurveda is just >> biochemistry. >> >> > > Ayurveda is biochemistry NOT. It is alchemy. It deals with the Indian > equivalents of humours, the equivalent of earth, air, fire, water and > phleghm. Labels for things that are identified otherwise in biochemistry. But then I bet you probably don't even know much biochemistry let alone ayurveda. What brand of hat is that you're talking through? :-D > Now perhaps once upon a time people could dissect the doshas, > subdoshas, subsubdoshas, ... and come upon a real diagnosis and a real > cure. Perhaps someone like Triguna can intuit it all. Then again no one > has run a double blind test with Triguna to see if journeying long and hard > to stand in line for hours on end to see Triguna doesn't install some > expectation effect into his herbs. Panaceas work almost as well as western > medicines at times and have fewer side effects. > > It's a good thing noseguru isn't paid any real attention to. > Is that so? > And let me see. You can convince someone to come out of depression with a > cup of kalpha tea. > Didn't convince. It was clinical depression probably caused by a reduced metabolic rate. Kapha tea would raise the metabolic rate and thus lifted her spirits. Maybe you ought to take some courses in ayurveda or at least read a book or two about it. > Hmm. If I weren't already built to everyone's satisfaction, I'd consider > buying some of those herbal capsules offered for sale in my email 75 times a > day. After all, they are herbal and therefore biochemical. And my ... > Hmm. Something doesn't compute here. > > Built to be a fool, eh?
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Protect The Woo Woo Orgy (was Re: More advice, please)
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > > I don't think anyone was "prescribing" any alternative health care > stuff. Instead suggesting things to try. After all ayurveda is just > biochemistry. > Ayurveda is biochemistry NOT. It is alchemy. It deals with the Indian equivalents of humours, the equivalent of earth, air, fire, water and phleghm. Now perhaps once upon a time people could dissect the doshas, subdoshas, subsubdoshas, ... and come upon a real diagnosis and a real cure. Perhaps someone like Triguna can intuit it all. Then again no one has run a double blind test with Triguna to see if journeying long and hard to stand in line for hours on end to see Triguna doesn't install some expectation effect into his herbs. Panaceas work almost as well as western medicines at times and have fewer side effects. It's a good thing noseguru isn't paid any real attention to. And let me see. You can convince someone to come out of depression with a cup of kalpha tea. Hmm. If I weren't already built to everyone's satisfaction, I'd consider buying some of those herbal capsules offered for sale in my email 75 times a day. After all, they are herbal and therefore biochemical. And my ... Hmm. Something doesn't compute here.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Protect The Woo Woo Orgy (was Re: More advice, please)
TurquoiseB wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > >> Shemp was specifically asking about *xanax.* >> What's so difficult about that? >> >> Any number of responses have nothing whatsoever >> to do with that, but are instead trying to peddle >> some nonsensical junk "treatment" that will >> do nothing, or else something like xanax (and >> other psycotropic medications) never would >> have been necessary in the first place. >> >> Talking about fruit diets, "doshas," herbal >> teas et al when someone is trying their best >> to get informed opinions on what could be >> a potent drug just shows, IMO, the desperation >> of people who will do anythying for attention. >> > > I have to agree. > > The response to Shemp's question has been > a veritable orgy of "Oh...another opportunity > to protect my belief in my favorite form of > Woo Woo by urging someone else to believe in > it, too." > > The article I posted about Mathias Rath and > the effect that *his* Woo Woo ideas (not to > mention self-serving desire to make millions > by selling vitamins) had on South Africa *is* > relevant. He probably *believes* those ideas, > but that's not the point. The point is that > by promoting them with no scientific evidence > to back them up, and getting officials in the > South African government to believe them, too, > Rath effectively murdered several hundred > thousand South Africans, to whom his ideas > denied real medical treatment. > > Yet again, the paradigm going down here on FFL > seems to be, "I'm willing to risk anyone's > well-being but my own to protect my belief > in my preferred form of Woo Woo." It's fairly > clear at this point that Nabby would try to > "help" someone suffering from a broken leg > by telling them to "get a checking." But to > "prescribe" Woo Woo alternative health care > or vitamin or diet "solutions" to someone you > have never met, over the Internet, and *with > absolutely no knowledge of what Shemp's symp- > toms actually are* -- that's just as irres- > ponsible as Nabby saying, "Get a checking." I don't think anyone was "prescribing" any alternative health care stuff. Instead suggesting things to try. After all ayurveda is just biochemistry. Just like pharmaceutical medications it is a cause/effect relationship. Unlike drugs though there are minuscule side effects. Have you ever taken a psychotropic drug? They can be very devastating. Many mental health professionals like to avoid prescribing them because of the side effects. You probably can't get access to Thom Hartmann's show this morning with his psychiatrist guest who discussed the relatively short time anti-depressant drugs have been around and what little we know about them. Shemp has mentioned using vata churna so he is concerned with reducing vata and anxiety and panic attacks can happen with both vata and pitta imbalances. I suggested he stop dabbling with ayurveda and find a practitioner. If herbs are "Woo-Woo" why did a major pharmaceutical company patent Neem? That caused a movement in India (I think the government) to patent all the ayurvedic herbs and declare the patents public domain. The patenting of naturally growing plants is of course absurd. But it just shows you how mercenary the medical industrial complex is.
[FairfieldLife] The Protect The Woo Woo Orgy (was Re: More advice, please)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: Yet again, the paradigm going down here on FFL > seems to be, "I'm willing to risk anyone's > well-being but my own to protect my belief > in my preferred form of Woo Woo." It's fairly > clear at this point that Nabby would try to > "help" someone suffering from a broken leg > by telling them to "get a checking." But to > "prescribe" Woo Woo alternative health care > or vitamin or diet "solutions" to someone you > have never met, over the Internet, and *with > absolutely no knowledge of what Shemp's symp- > toms actually are* -- that's just as irres- > ponsible as Nabby saying, "Get a checking." HaHa, no rain in Spain ? Must be getting hot down there now from what we see in the spin of The Turq. Melia Sitges around 30 degrees at midnight yesterday according to a friend. Since you're beyond checking, with all that "Buddhist" overload of yours, and never will be able to receive one either due to your infinite arrogance: Did I say that getting a checking will improove anyones broken leg ? Ofcourse not, this is just another of The Turqey/Barrys Wright's fantasies. Could it help a depressed individual, certainly. Getting a checking will improove your chances for not breaking your leg in the first place. That's a fact.
[FairfieldLife] The Protect The Woo Woo Orgy (was Re: More advice, please)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > Shemp was specifically asking about *xanax.* > What's so difficult about that? > > Any number of responses have nothing whatsoever > to do with that, but are instead trying to peddle > some nonsensical junk "treatment" that will > do nothing, or else something like xanax (and > other psycotropic medications) never would > have been necessary in the first place. > > Talking about fruit diets, "doshas," herbal > teas et al when someone is trying their best > to get informed opinions on what could be > a potent drug just shows, IMO, the desperation > of people who will do anythying for attention. I have to agree. The response to Shemp's question has been a veritable orgy of "Oh...another opportunity to protect my belief in my favorite form of Woo Woo by urging someone else to believe in it, too." The article I posted about Mathias Rath and the effect that *his* Woo Woo ideas (not to mention self-serving desire to make millions by selling vitamins) had on South Africa *is* relevant. He probably *believes* those ideas, but that's not the point. The point is that by promoting them with no scientific evidence to back them up, and getting officials in the South African government to believe them, too, Rath effectively murdered several hundred thousand South Africans, to whom his ideas denied real medical treatment. Yet again, the paradigm going down here on FFL seems to be, "I'm willing to risk anyone's well-being but my own to protect my belief in my preferred form of Woo Woo." It's fairly clear at this point that Nabby would try to "help" someone suffering from a broken leg by telling them to "get a checking." But to "prescribe" Woo Woo alternative health care or vitamin or diet "solutions" to someone you have never met, over the Internet, and *with absolutely no knowledge of what Shemp's symp- toms actually are* -- that's just as irres- ponsible as Nabby saying, "Get a checking."
