[FairfieldLife] Untimely Deaths..... TMers', and New Agers' aversion to allopathic medicine
>>In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> It's perceived as untimely because these people cast of their >> mortal coils way ahead of the statistically established life >> expectancy for the society they live in >> This perception is reinforced by the assumption that leading the >> life of a meditator promotes longevity. > -In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > TM, by itself, almost certainly "promotes longevity." However, the > lifestyle of many TMers appears to be couter-productive, both for > physical health, and for enlightenment. In general, the TMer and New Ager lifestyles produce healthy choices, long life, and Enlightenment. However, another common facet of the TMer and New Ager lifestyles warrants re-evaluation Specifically, TMers and New Agers harbor strident aversions to allopathic medicine and interventional surgery. These aversions handicap many of our dear friends' own healing and recovery from serious illness. This is happening in the 21st century, during which many Non-TMers and Non-New Agers (some of who have very counter- productive living habits) easily survive serious illnesses that overwhelm so many of our friends. Our, and our friends' early, pioneering perspective that promoted the concept that consciousness is primary in healing has been broadly adopted, and is increasingly embraced in the allopathic medical community. How arrogant we have become, to our own demise, by our strident aversions...what are we trying to prove ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Untimely Deaths
> > Also, Goldfaber. > > Nat is still alive, isn't he? I'm thinking of the guy who had the skin condition. Maybe that was Goldfinger, who someone mentioned in an earlier post. --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 10/12/05 12:39 AM, gullible fool at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >>> Margaret Cooper MS 60 > > > > Maybe I'm thinking of a different Margaret Norman, > but > > the one I know, part of the Cambridge center for a > > while and a resident of my town before moving to > ff > > with husband Norman, was a lot younger than 60. I > > thought she was 37 or so at the time. > > Different person. > > > > There's also the audiovisual guy who was hit by > > lightning while hiking up a mountain in Colorado. > > > > Also, Goldfaber. > > Nat is still alive, isn't he? > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Untimely Deaths
On Oct 12, 2005, at 12:21 AM, Rick Archer wrote:What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. I'm part of an international sangha/community of a several thousand hardcore yogis and meditators. Our quarterly newspaper lists all the births and deaths in the community. There are several a year. My observation would be that a good number of people who are hardcore meditators are also hardcore into alternative health practices. In some cases they will even forego any allopathic treatment in favor of Ayurveda or Tibetan medicine, etc. etc. The majority of these people die early because they either do not seek "conventional" treatment for diseases (with sometime excellent prognoses) or they delay conventional treatment. An example that comes to mind was a woman who worked at the health food supermarket. She had a fibroid the size of a large grapefruit. Because she believed she should do everything "all natural" she refused to have this removed--even though that meant she could no longer have sex. Granted, in this case it was benign, but that just highlights in my mind what lengths some will go to to maintain a belief system--even when conventional treatment is quite capable of helping them or even curing them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Untimely Deaths
on 10/12/05 12:39 AM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> Margaret Cooper MS 60 > > Maybe I'm thinking of a different Margaret Norman, but > the one I know, part of the Cambridge center for a > while and a resident of my town before moving to ff > with husband Norman, was a lot younger than 60. I > thought she was 37 or so at the time. Different person. > > There's also the audiovisual guy who was hit by > lightning while hiking up a mountain in Colorado. > > Also, Goldfaber. Nat is still alive, isn't he? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Untimely Deaths
> > Margaret Cooper MS 60 Maybe I'm thinking of a different Margaret Norman, but the one I know, part of the Cambridge center for a while and a resident of my town before moving to ff with husband Norman, was a lot younger than 60. I thought she was 37 or so at the time. There's also the audiovisual guy who was hit by lightning while hiking up a mountain in Colorado. Also, Goldfaber. Also, Gary the insurance guy. Nally? --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to > expand upon it? > > > > I was struck a number of years by the legion of > meditators, sidhas, > > initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother > Divines, rajahs and > > other Movement potentates who had suffered > untimely deaths. You > > mentioned several. After all, the number of > hardcore meditators is > > really quite small, just a few thousands, I would > think. I have worked > > for several organizations larger than that and > cannot recall anywhere > > near a comparable percentage of people in their > 40s or 50 croaking. That > > clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would > like to see reliable > > statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert > Keith Wallace would be > > interested in such a research topic??!! > > > > What if we began our own accounting of such > deaths? My start is the > > attached table. If you think it makes sense you > might solicit names > on FFL. > > > > Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* > > Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 > > Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 > > Bobby Warren drowning 45 > > Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 > > Margaret Cooper MS 60 > > David Weiner testicular cancer 44 > > Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 > > Kurleigh King Prostate cancer > > Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 > > Skip Alexander Liver Cancer > > Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 > > > A few more come to mind > > Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? > Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor > Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater) > Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted > Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back > > swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago > > cc girl at MIU? > > the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin > > Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin > > I remember a story of someone dying outside domes of > heart attack, the > day after he saw top vaida guy > > A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who > died of AIDS, some > KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi? > > Seems like there are more that I have heard of but > escape me at the > moment. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Untimely Deaths
Title: Untimely Deaths Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. You mentioned several. After all, the number of hardcore meditators is really quite small, just a few thousands, I would think. I have worked for several organizations larger than that and cannot recall anywhere near a comparable percentage of people in their 40s or 50 croaking. That clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would like to see reliable statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert Keith Wallace would be interested in such a research topic??!! What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 Bobby Warren drowning 45 Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 Margaret Cooper MS 60 David Weiner testicular cancer 44 Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 Kurleigh King Prostate cancer Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 Skip Alexander Liver Cancer Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
