RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Apr 4, 2005, at 5:25 PM, mark robert wrote: > How can one read you objectively when you claim to mean something so > different from that which you write? For example, how should I read > your "agenda" statement? I would like to read it objectively of > course, but I do not have special sidhi powers to cognize what you > will claim you did or did not mean after I confront you. I don't think I could be much clearer on your burnt out hippy theory. It happens, people burn out. There's evidence. Hell, I've met them. So have most people on this list. Better to know how to reverse it or do it right. > I don't use coke or pot or any "soft drugs". How much alcohol do you > drink on a weekly basis? I'm not a regular drinker, sorry. No soft drugs, huh? You never do any of that stuff on your website? Come on! Heck you've even lectured at the Telluride Mushroom conference on the topic! Do you still have to provide urine samples, is that why? You're just pushing for folk hero AND saint. Patron Saint of Libertarians. I might even vote for you if you drop the attitude and chip/block on your shoulder. --- Vaj, "My burnt out hippie theory"? Are you again back to claiming they're brain damaged from drug use? "There's evidence."? Of what? Of more damage than alcohol? Where is this evidence? "People you know"? Good grief! I thought you just got finished denying your original brain-damage claim. Or am I just not being objective again? Are you trying to make me dizzy? I claim no ability to objectively comprehend your words about mushrooms, websites, or urine samples. My attitude here on this forum is to discuss, converse, and to defend my positions - and voice my disagreements with those I believe to be inaccurate. Does that make me have a chip on my shoulder? I don't think so. The term is rather insulting. Regarding insults, maybe you should feel more of an obligation to explain your purpose for making them. Have I offended you somehow? -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Apr 4, 2005, at 5:25 PM, mark robert wrote: > How can one read you objectively when you claim to mean something so > different from that which you write? For example, how should I read > your “agenda” statement? I would like to read it objectively of > course, but I do not have special sidhi powers to cognize what you > will claim you did or did not mean after I confront you. I don't think I could be much clearer on your burnt out hippy theory. It happens, people burn out. There's evidence. Hell, I've met them. So have most people on this list. Better to know how to reverse it or do it right. > I don’t use coke or pot or any “soft drugs”. How much alcohol do you > drink on a weekly basis? I'm not a regular drinker, sorry. No soft drugs, huh? You never do any of that stuff on your website? Come on! Heck you've even lectured at the Telluride Mushroom conference on the topic! Do you still have to provide urine samples, is that why? You're just pushing for folk hero AND saint. Patron Saint of Libertarians. I might even vote for you if you drop the attitude and chip/block on your shoulder. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Apr 4, 2005, at 12:28 PM, mark robert wrote: But like you, users will often try to defend it as safer than other drugs but then step back upon a challenge when they realize they can’t. I am not trying to defend alcohol as better or safer. Please learn to read more objectively, OK? It's not all about your agenda. If you prefer soft drugs, that's entirely up to you. Vaj, How can one read you objectively when you claim to mean something so different from that which you write? For example, how should I read your “agenda” statement? I would like to read it objectively of course, but I do not have special sidhi powers to cognize what you will claim you did or did not mean after I confront you. I don’t use coke or pot or any “soft drugs”. How much alcohol do you drink on a weekly basis? -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Apr 4, 2005, at 12:28 PM, mark robert wrote: But like you, users will often try to defend it as safer than other drugs but then step back upon a challenge when they realize they can’t. I am not trying to defend alcohol as better or safer. Please learn to read more objectively, OK? It's not all about your agenda. If you prefer soft drugs, that's entirely up to you.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Apr 3, 2005, at 11:12 PM, mark robert wrote: Your reply looks like a disagreement with at least one of my two statements and seems to imply that PET scans support your disagreement. In other words, you seem to suggest that PET scans show brain damage of “a casual coke user or a regular marijuana user”, more than an alcohol user*. Since PET scans do not show this, your reply is misleading. No it does not, nor was it meant to imply that. Different drugs do different things. Are you an alcohol user? Are you? Vaj, If I misunderstood your meaning, then your comment was off-context (made little sense as a reply to mine). Everyone knows that different drugs do different things; that was not being questioned, so your reply was irrelevant. If you are going to counter your own words, irrelevancy is the best you are going to get. This is email, dude, where everything you say is recorded in transcript form for all to see and refer (and cite if necessary). I know it’s tough for beings like you that are not accustomed to having to contend with such inconveniences, but here’s some advice: GET USED TO IT. It’s called personal responsibility, where each one of us is responsible for our own words. Maybe I’m being too harsh. Is English not your first language? No, I do not use alcohol. But like you, users will often try to defend it as safer than other drugs but then step back upon a challenge when they realize they can’t. -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Apr 3, 2005, at 11:12 PM, mark robert wrote: Your reply looks like a disagreement with at least one of my two statements and seems to imply that PET scans support your disagreement. In other words, you seem to suggest that PET scans show brain damage of “a casual coke user or a regular marijuana user”, more than an alcohol user*. Since PET scans do not show this, your reply is misleading. No it does not, nor was it meant to imply that. Different drugs do different things. Are you an alcohol user? Are you?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Apr 3, 2005, at 12:08 PM, mark robert wrote: > You are correct; a PET scan will only show activity/inactivity. Thank > you for thereby admitting that your original implication was > misleading. What exactly are you claiming is misleading? I stated some simple known facts. You're clueless. > Your tardy response would indicate that you were the one that took a > long time to google PET scans. > Actually I have done no such search, sorry to disappoint you. - Vaj, What is misleading, you ask? Let me explain by reviewing the sequence for you. On Mar 28, 2005, at 4:06 PM, I wrote: ”Illegal drugs cause far less permanent brain damage than alcohol. The stereotype of the brain-damaged ex-hippie is a myth.” Later that same day, you replied: ”Ever seen a PET scan of the brain of a casual coke user or a regular marijuana smoker? It ain't pretty.” Your reply looks like a disagreement with at least one of my two statements and seems to imply that PET scans support your disagreement. In other words, you seem to suggest that PET scans show brain damage of “a casual coke user or a regular marijuana user”, more than an alcohol user*. Since PET scans do not show this, your reply is misleading. (*It would be difficult to translate your post in any other way, considering it was in direct context of my two previous statements.) Are you an alcohol user? -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
Here's a good one: http://ideas-canada.ca/medmj/cannabis2.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 3, 2005, at 4:37 PM, akasha_108 wrote: > > > And btw, of your other cites, one had to do with young teens, one with > > schizophrenics, and the third not accessable. I assumed the discussion > > was on relatively healthy adult use, no kids or those with existing > > severe mental challenges. > > Honestly, I just grabbed a couple of quick searches since people could > not find any. I just briefly glanced over them. If you do the same web > search, I'm sure there's plenty to read. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
Four groups underwent sonography monitoring during a month of abstinence: • 11 light users who had smoked about 11 joints a week • 23 moderate users who had smoked nearly 44 joints a week • 20 heavy users who had smoked about 130 joints a week • 18 controls Researchers established a baseline by measuring blood flow for all subjects within three days of admission and then again at 28 to 30 days after monitored abstinence. All noncontrol subjects were observed on an inpatient basis. --11 jpw = 2/day 44 jpw = 6/day 130 jpw = 18/day ---Whatever! Guess I'm minimal. I couldn't afford to be in that study. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
--I think its worth mentioning that PET scans and MRIs etc while representing major advances in neuro imaging are not able to capture anything like the all the possible pathological changes in the brain that may result from long term drug and/or alcohol abuse.A better way to tell if the long term use of a drug has had negative effects on the brain is with neuropsycholgical testing.Clearly all drugs could potentially have negative effects on cognitive functioning.The degree this will be the case will likely vary a great deal between individuals.Suffice it to say that the long term abuse of alcohol or drugs is to some extent a roll of the dice.However,having worked with a couple thousand substance abusers my money is on alcohol if you really want to do a job on how your brain functions,assuning of course your willing to drink enough :).Kevin In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Apr 3, 2005, at 12:08 PM, mark robert wrote: > > > > > You are correct; a PET scan will only show activity/inactivity. Thank > > > you for thereby admitting that your original implication was > > > misleading. > > > > What exactly are you claiming is misleading? I stated some simple known > > facts. You're clueless. > > > > > Your tardy response would indicate that you were the one that took a > > > long time to google PET scans. > > > > > > > Actually I have done no such search, sorry to disappoint you. > > > And I have googled, but cannot find what you originally stated as well > established in scientific cirlces: paraphrasing -- not a pretty > picture -- the PET scans of regular cannabus users -- scans showing > substantal damage, compared against a well established baseline. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Apr 3, 2005, at 4:37 PM, akasha_108 wrote: > And btw, of your other cites, one had to do with young teens, one with > schizophrenics, and the third not accessable. I assumed the discussion > was on relatively healthy adult use, no kids or those with existing > severe mental challenges. Honestly, I just grabbed a couple of quick searches since people could not find any. I just briefly glanced over them. If you do the same web search, I'm sure there's plenty to read. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 3, 2005, at 3:23 PM, akasha_108 wrote: > > > And I have googled, but cannot find what you originally stated as well > > established in scientific cirlces: paraphrasing -- not a pretty > > picture -- the PET scans of regular cannabus users -- scans showing > > substantal damage, compared against a well established baseline. > > Here's a nice new study which is interesting because while positron > emission tomography she very detailed and subtle details of brain > perfusion, sonography is very good at showing gross blood flow--and > even on that they could tell. Interesting later ramification of what > we've learned from the early PET studies. > > http://www.diagnosticimaging.com/showNews.jhtml; > jsessionid=0T0501F5B5ESUQSNDBCCKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleID=60402729 > > Heavy marijuana use impairs cerebral blood flow > Chronic pot smokers may experience problems with thinking or > remembering even after abstaining, and decreased cerebral blood flow > may be the cause, according to researchers at the National Institute on > Drug Abuse. > > "Marijuana users who smoke 11 joints or more per week have deficits in > cerebral blood flow. In heavier users, these deficits persist for at > least a month," said lead author Ronald I. Herning, Ph.D., a research > scientist at the institute. > > These changes in the brain observed early during the quitting process > may explain previous reports of cognitive deficits observed in > marijuana users, he said. > > Herning and colleagues used transcranial Doppler sonography to measure > flow velocity in the anterior and middle cerebral arteries in a study > published in the February issue of Neurology. > > Four groups underwent sonography monitoring during a month of > abstinence: > 11 light users who had smoked about 11 joints a week > 23 moderate users who had smoked nearly 44 joints a week > 20 heavy users who had smoked about 130 joints a week > 18 controls > Researchers established a baseline by measuring blood flow for all > subjects within three days of admission and then again at 28 to 30 days > after monitored abstinence. All noncontrol subjects were observed on an > inpatient basis. > > During the first round of sonography, both mean and systolic blood > velocities for the left and middle cerebral arteries were higher in the > marijuana-using subjects compared with controls. Right and left > anterior cerebral arteries in the marijuana groups exhibited higher > systolic blood velocities compared with controls. The pulsatility index > (PI), which measures the amount of resistance to blood flow, was higher > for both sets of cerebral arteries in the marijuana users as well. > > For both sets of middle and anterior cerebral arteries, blood > velocities were not significantly different among the three > marijuana-using groups. After a month of abstinence, however, light to > moderate marijuana users experienced a significant improvement in PI > values and systolic velocity, while the heavy users showed no > improvement. > > "The PI values of about 1.00 that we observed in the heavy users are > similar to those found in patients with chronic hypertension and might > put marijuana users at risk for small vessel disease," Herning said. > > Because the study observed abstinence for only a month, further > research is needed to determine whether the blood flow deficits in > heavy users are permanent, he said. Thanks. The classification of user types is kind of funny though. 11 light users who had smoked about 11 joints a week (1.5 / day) 23 moderate users who had smoked nearly 44 joints a week (6/day) 20 heavy users who had smoked about 130 joints a week (18 / day) i would think: 1.5 joints every day is a constant heavy user. 2 joints a week is a regular moderate user 2 joints a month is a light or occasional user and 6 joints a day is a "perpetually stoned" user -- and consisting of only a small % of users. 18 joints a day everyday, day in and day out is a totally out of control zombie, near couch-lock paralysis, and not sustainable by almost anyone. So only the latter group, totally out of control zombies, near couch-lock paralysis, representative of almost no real world users, showed sustained, though not necessarily permanent reduction of blood flow in the brain. That, to me, gives a quite different picture from your original comment -- "ever seen a PET scan of a REGULAR Pot user, it ain't pretty", but I may have interpreted your statment as more severe than you meant it. Anyway, it just seems that moderate pot use creates no or minimal long-run damage compared to a similar level of alcohol use. And drug and alcohol laws should catch up with science. And not waste tax dollars on enforcing bad science. Spend it on thin
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Apr 3, 2005, at 3:23 PM, akasha_108 wrote: > And I have googled, but cannot find what you originally stated as well > established in scientific cirlces: paraphrasing -- not a pretty > picture -- the PET scans of regular cannabus users -- scans showing > substantal damage, compared against a well established baseline. Here's a nice new study which is interesting because while positron emission tomography she very detailed and subtle details of brain perfusion, sonography is very good at showing gross blood flow--and even on that they could tell. Interesting later ramification of what we've learned from the early PET studies. http://www.diagnosticimaging.com/showNews.jhtml; jsessionid=0T0501F5B5ESUQSNDBCCKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleID=60402729 Heavy marijuana use impairs cerebral blood flow Chronic pot smokers may experience problems with thinking or remembering even after abstaining, and decreased cerebral blood flow may be the cause, according to researchers at the National Institute on Drug Abuse. "Marijuana users who smoke 11 joints or more per week have deficits in cerebral blood flow. In heavier users, these deficits persist for at least a month," said lead author Ronald I. Herning, Ph.D., a research scientist at the institute. These changes in the brain observed early during the quitting process may explain previous reports of cognitive deficits observed in marijuana users, he said. Herning and colleagues used transcranial Doppler sonography to measure flow velocity in the anterior and middle cerebral arteries in a study published in the February issue of Neurology. Four groups underwent sonography monitoring during a month of abstinence: •11 light users who had smoked about 11 joints a week •23 moderate users who had smoked nearly 44 joints a week •20 heavy users who had smoked about 130 joints a week •18 controls Researchers established a baseline by measuring blood flow for all subjects within three days of admission and then again at 28 to 30 days after monitored abstinence. All noncontrol subjects were observed on an inpatient basis. During the first round of sonography, both mean and systolic blood velocities for the left and middle cerebral arteries were higher in the marijuana-using subjects compared with controls. Right and left anterior cerebral arteries in the marijuana groups exhibited higher systolic blood velocities compared with controls. The pulsatility index (PI), which measures the amount of resistance to blood flow, was higher for both sets of cerebral arteries in the marijuana users as well. For both sets of middle and anterior cerebral arteries, blood velocities were not significantly different among the three marijuana-using groups. After a month of abstinence, however, light to moderate marijuana users experienced a significant improvement in PI values and systolic velocity, while the heavy users showed no improvement. "The PI values of about 1.00 that we observed in the heavy users are similar to those found in patients with chronic hypertension and might put marijuana users at risk for small vessel disease," Herning said. Because the study observed abstinence for only a month, further research is needed to determine whether the blood flow deficits in heavy users are permanent, he said. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Apr 3, 2005, at 3:23 PM, akasha_108 wrote: > And I have googled, but cannot find what you originally stated as well > established in scientific cirlces: paraphrasing -- not a pretty > picture -- the PET scans of regular cannabus users -- scans showing > substantal damage, compared against a well established baseline. Whoa. It cause changes in cerebral perfusion--hypoperfusion--to certain parts of the brain (the frontal cortex IIRC). In some cases these effects reverse, in long term people I would suspect there would less reversibility or some permanent damage. Here a quick google search (cerebral perfusion marijuana smoker PET scan) : Here's an oldy of marijuana, jsut to give idea how long this has been known: http://www.asam.org/jol/jol_19_1.htm Another: http://www.theneurologist.org/pt/re/neurologist/abstract.00127893 -200401000-5.htm; jsessionid=CQF1ZP8OpUPNQ2jLwS1a1B5hG2OimRhdOEzOBgvMmeqja2HilDTP! -1860688455!-949856031!9001!-1 Cocaine http://www.nature.com/jcbfm/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/9600093a.html Meth: http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/full/24/26/6028 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 3, 2005, at 12:08 PM, mark robert wrote: > > > You are correct; a PET scan will only show activity/inactivity. Thank > > you for thereby admitting that your original implication was > > misleading. > > What exactly are you claiming is misleading? I stated some simple known > facts. You're clueless. > > > Your tardy response would indicate that you were the one that took a > > long time to google PET scans. > > > > Actually I have done no such search, sorry to disappoint you. And I have googled, but cannot find what you originally stated as well established in scientific cirlces: paraphrasing -- not a pretty picture -- the PET scans of regular cannabus users -- scans showing substantal damage, compared against a well established baseline. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Apr 3, 2005, at 12:08 PM, mark robert wrote: > You are correct; a PET scan will only show activity/inactivity. Thank > you for thereby admitting that your original implication was > misleading. What exactly are you claiming is misleading? I stated some simple known facts. You're clueless. > Your tardy response would indicate that you were the one that took a > long time to google PET scans. > Actually I have done no such search, sorry to disappoint you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Apr 2, 2005, at 11:58 PM, mark robert wrote: > In light of your failure to explain yourself, I shall assume that you > are unable to support what you implied: that PET scans indicate that > coke and pot users sustain more brain damage than alcohol users. > > I never said that coke and pot users sustain more brain damage than alcohol users. Anything that effects cerebral perfusion will be reflected in a PET scan using FDG, a tracer which shows how the brain uses these fine sugars. For example, this is used in meditation research to show changes to the brain. Don't you know how to use a search engine? -- Vaj, You are correct; a PET scan will only show activity/inactivity. Thank you for thereby admitting that your original implication was misleading. Regarding exactly what you and I have said here, it is there for all to see. I don’t know why you asked about my searching ability. I was only asking you to clarify your post. Your tardy response would indicate that you were the one that took a long time to google PET scans. Do you drink alcohol? -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Apr 2, 2005, at 11:58 PM, mark robert wrote: > In light of your failure to explain yourself, I shall assume that you > are unable to support what you implied: that PET scans indicate that > coke and pot users sustain more brain damage than alcohol users. > > I never said that coke and pot users sustain more brain damage than alcohol users. Anything that effects cerebral perfusion will be reflected in a PET scan using FDG, a tracer which shows how the brain uses these fine sugars. For example, this is used in meditation research to show changes to the brain. Don't you know how to use a search engine? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
Vaj, In light of your failure to explain yourself, I shall assume that you are unable to support what you implied: that PET scans indicate that coke and pot users sustain more brain damage than alcohol users. -Mark Vaj, I was hoping you had a response for my question below. -Mark -- On Mar 28, 2005, at 4:06 PM, mark robert wrote: > Illegal drugs cause far less permanent brain damage than alcohol. The > stereotype of the brain-damaged ex-hippie is a myth. Ever seen a PET scan of the brain of a casual coke user or a regular marijuana smoker? It ain't pretty. Vaj, No, I haven’t. Tell us more about these scans. Do they show brain damage? -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
Vaj, I was hoping you had a response for my question below. -Mark -- On Mar 28, 2005, at 4:06 PM, mark robert wrote: > Illegal drugs cause far less permanent brain damage than alcohol. The > stereotype of the brain-damaged ex-hippie is a myth. Ever seen a PET scan of the brain of a casual coke user or a regular marijuana smoker? It ain't pretty. Vaj, No, I haven’t. Tell us more about these scans. Do they show brain damage? -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 28, 2005, at 9:06 PM, akasha_108 wrote: > > > And that is comparing it to some sort of matched contol that has not > > used marijuana? > > The literature on this is now quite large. I saw the initial studies > done around Washington years ago courtesy the NIH's Positron Emission > Tomography center which was one of the first. Since they also had their > own cyclotron, they could also produce their own tracers based on the > fine sugars the brain uses for metabolism. > > PET brain atlases have been online for years now. Yes, of course the > baseline perfusion is well known. Usually for a tracer, that's one of > the first things established, the norms. Even before PET this was well > known. Thanks. I will look at it. And thanks for your other recent cites, histroy or arayan migration etc. So 50 million estatic bhang drinking shaivaite sadhus are not really in ectasy but just experiencing the results of massive brain damage? :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Mar 28, 2005, at 4:06 PM, mark robert wrote: > Illegal drugs cause far less permanent brain damage than alcohol. The > stereotype of the brain-damaged ex-hippie is a myth. Ever seen a PET scan of the brain of a casual coke user or a regular marijuana smoker? It ain't pretty. Vaj, No, I haven’t. Tell us more about these scans. Do they show brain damage? -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Mar 28, 2005, at 9:06 PM, akasha_108 wrote: > And that is comparing it to some sort of matched contol that has not > used marijuana? The literature on this is now quite large. I saw the initial studies done around Washington years ago courtesy the NIH's Positron Emission Tomography center which was one of the first. Since they also had their own cyclotron, they could also produce their own tracers based on the fine sugars the brain uses for metabolism. PET brain atlases have been online for years now. Yes, of course the baseline perfusion is well known. Usually for a tracer, that's one of the first things established, the norms. Even before PET this was well known. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
> - Original Message - > From: Vaj > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:26 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America > > > > On Mar 28, 2005, at 4:06 PM, mark robert wrote: > > > Illegal drugs cause far less permanent brain damage than alcohol. The > > stereotype of the brain-damaged ex-hippie is a myth. > > Ever seen a PET scan of the brain of a casual coke user or a regular > marijuana smoker? > > It ain't pretty. And that is comparing it to some sort of matched contol that has not used marijuana? A guy comes into a hospital, is quite sick, you talk a pet scan, it looks bad, and oh incidentally he says he smokes weed. Thats no evidence of causation. Not even of correlation if its one to two people. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
You mean I'm uglier inside than out. Oh, that's cool. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America On Mar 28, 2005, at 4:06 PM, mark robert wrote:> Illegal drugs cause far less permanent brain damage than alcohol. The > stereotype of the brain-damaged ex-hippie is a myth.Ever seen a PET scan of the brain of a casual coke user or a regular marijuana smoker?It ain't pretty.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
Mharishi says, "Only by washing the yellow cotton in the machine can we get the ghost out of it." - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America On Mar 28, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:> Exactly what is the "washing machine effect"> and how can this be accounted for in the super> radiance theory.It's in the 11th Mandala of Rig Ved, where've you been?Raja Vaj©To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
> -which half? The true believer half. --- rudra_joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No wonder > half the posts are loony. > > > > -which half? __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
But unlike so many others, you did it right ;) - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America on 3/28/05 10:59 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > Geeze. Now its coming out. No wonder you lost the plot. Maybe this> whole board is a haven for ex druggiesexcept for me. No wonder> half the posts are loony.> I've never hidden the fact that I did drugs for about a year 38 years ago.Many in my generation did. 1967 - Summer of Love. Sex, drugs, Rock 'n RollTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Mar 28, 2005, at 4:06 PM, mark robert wrote: > Illegal drugs cause far less permanent brain damage than alcohol. The > stereotype of the brain-damaged ex-hippie is a myth. Ever seen a PET scan of the brain of a casual coke user or a regular marijuana smoker? It ain't pretty. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No wonder > half the posts are loony. > > > > -which half? The bottom half. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
No wonder half the posts are loony. -which half? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America on 3/28/05 3:06 PM, mark robert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Illegal drugs cause far less permanent brain damage than alcohol. The stereotype of the brain-damaged ex-hippie is a myth. It would be virtually impossible to match the damage caused by a single-night’s moderate dose of alcohol. I have a few of those too. Some not so moderate. But I lost interest in booze very quickly. I wanted to wake up, not dull out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
on 3/28/05 10:59 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Geeze. Now its coming out. No wonder you lost the plot. Maybe this > whole board is a haven for ex druggiesexcept for me. No wonder > half the posts are loony. > I've never hidden the fact that I did drugs for about a year 38 years ago. Many in my generation did. 1967 - Summer of Love. Sex, drugs, Rock 'n Roll Illegal drugs cause far less permanent brain damage than alcohol. The stereotype of the brain-damaged ex-hippie is a myth. It would be virtually impossible to match the damage caused by a single-night’s moderate dose of alcohol. -Mark To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 28, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: > > > Exactly what is the "washing machine effect" > > and how can this be accounted for in the super > > radiance theory. > > It's in the 11th Mandala of Rig Ved, where've you been? > > Raja Vaj© Its also in the maytagawasha sutras. Its very explicit. Come on Peter, read your vedic lit before going pitta on us. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
On Mar 28, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: > Exactly what is the "washing machine effect" > and how can this be accounted for in the super > radiance theory. It's in the 11th Mandala of Rig Ved, where've you been? Raja Vaj© To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
Comment below: --- peterklutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "George > DeForest" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > superradiance has never prevented crime in iowa, > > (altho iowa already had less crime than most other > places). early > on, MMY attributed this apparent exception to the > rule due to his > theory of > > the "washing machine effect" - which is that since > > Fairfield is taking on the karma of the whole USA, > > it must have the National 1% number, which is > > 1600 flying together. > > And if that doesn't help, it's because Fairfield is > shouldering the > responsibility of the world - and needs that quota. > > It's called the 'night-bug effect' - putting people > to group practice in > Kaliyuga is like lightening a light in the wee hours > of the night. > > They way out is to light the Sun of Sat yuga - then > the bugs will go away. This is also called post hoc reasoning and has no place in scientific discourse unless it can modify your original theory by refining it. This stuff is just used to rationalize away rather obvious empirical inconsistancies that people are uncomfortable with. Don't speak the language of science and then shift into metaphors and pretend it's still science, it ain't. Exactly what is the "washing machine effect" and how can this be accounted for in the super radiance theory. Right now it has no operational definitions and can not be tested. It's junk. -Peter > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "George DeForest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > superradiance has never prevented crime in iowa, > (altho iowa already had less crime than most other places). early on, MMY attributed this apparent exception to the rule due to his theory of > the "washing machine effect" - which is that since > Fairfield is taking on the karma of the whole USA, > it must have the National 1% number, which is > 1600 flying together. And if that doesn't help, it's because Fairfield is shouldering the responsibility of the world - and needs that quota. It's called the 'night-bug effect' - putting people to group practice in Kaliyuga is like lightening a light in the wee hours of the night. They way out is to light the Sun of Sat yuga - then the bugs will go away. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
on 3/28/05 10:59 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Geeze. Now its coming out. No wonder you lost the plot. Maybe this > whole board is a haven for ex druggiesexcept for me. No wonder > half the posts are loony. > I've never hidden the fact that I did drugs for about a year 38 years ago. Many in my generation did. 1967 - Summer of Love. Sex, drugs, Rock 'n Roll To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
Geeze. Now its coming out. No wonder you lost the plot. Maybe this whole board is a haven for ex druggiesexcept for me. No wonder half the posts are loony. > Worst and most bizarre experience of my life was dropping acid then snorting > meth, in 1968. Nasty stuff. Even back then it was ruining people¹s lives. > Epidemic around here now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Rasayana for the Brahmasthan of America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wasn't "coherence" and superradiance from FF supposed to prevent this > kind of thing? Maybe the coherence stops at the town line? In any event > I'm sure we'll see this in the next "study". > > Kids suffer from parents' meth addiction > >>. Could be. This seems like the pits of kaliyug, and it is not just the midwest To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
