Re: [FairfieldLife] TM "grad school?"
Grad schools have specific programs for study. Now Phd programs are supposed to add to the body of available knowledge something of original status. - Original Message - From: tomandcindytraynor To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM "grad school?" TurquoiseB writes:What do people think? I'm certainly interested toHear if such teachings *are* available, or evenTheoretically available in the materials left to the "posterity"Of the TM movement.UncTom T writes:We currently have a weekly gathering of about 25 to 35 going on herein FF in which Rick Archer is a regular. The common thread is, OK thisis how the A or E experience went down for me and is being lived dayto day, and now What's next? Although it appears to be intellectual itcomes out as an increase in the ability of the heart to handle deeperunderstanding. Some show up not having the understanding to sort itout and for others it is an ever deepening appreciation of theexperience of living That. The appreciation comes about through tryingto explain what can not be explained and somehow the attempt alonedeepens the understanding and appreciation of the one trying toexplain how it is for them, as well as those in the group listening.Tom TTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM "grad school?"
on 7/12/05 12:19 PM, tomandcindytraynor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > TurquoiseB writes: > What do people think? I'm certainly interested to > Hear if such teachings *are* available, or even > Theoretically available in the materials left to the "posterity" > Of the TM movement. > Unc > Tom T writes: > We currently have a weekly gathering of about 25 to 35 going on here > in FF in which Rick Archer is a regular. The common thread is, OK this > is how the A or E experience went down for me and is being lived day > to day, and now What's next? Although it appears to be intellectual it > comes out as an increase in the ability of the heart to handle deeper > understanding. Some show up not having the understanding to sort it > out and for others it is an ever deepening appreciation of the > experience of living That. The appreciation comes about through trying > to explain what can not be explained and somehow the attempt alone > deepens the understanding and appreciation of the one trying to > explain how it is for them, as well as those in the group listening. > Tom T That's a good description of it. If anyone (including out-of-towners by conference phone) wishes to participate in this group, email Tom or me privately. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM "grad school?"
TurquoiseB writes: What do people think? I'm certainly interested to Hear if such teachings *are* available, or even Theoretically available in the materials left to the "posterity" Of the TM movement. Unc Tom T writes: We currently have a weekly gathering of about 25 to 35 going on here in FF in which Rick Archer is a regular. The common thread is, OK this is how the A or E experience went down for me and is being lived day to day, and now What's next? Although it appears to be intellectual it comes out as an increase in the ability of the heart to handle deeper understanding. Some show up not having the understanding to sort it out and for others it is an ever deepening appreciation of the experience of living That. The appreciation comes about through trying to explain what can not be explained and somehow the attempt alone deepens the understanding and appreciation of the one trying to explain how it is for them, as well as those in the group listening. Tom T To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM "grad school?"
On Jun 23, 2005, at 3:54 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > To me it could imply that because of the basic dogma that > enlightenment, once realized, is permanent and "self- > sustaining" in that the enlightened being can "do no > wrong," no need for such teachings is perceived. If you dye the cloth and lay it in the sun, let it fade, die it again, lay it in the sun, die it again, etc. it will make the color more lasting. But if you stop dying the cloth and leave it lie in the sun, the colors will fade. Mental meditation methods will not ultimately dissolve the kleshas or the samskaras at the root. That's why the Shankaracharya trad. teaches these styles of meditation will only give temporary results. > Or it could imply that, even though Maharishi is clearly > "on his way out," incarnation-wise he perceives no immed- > iate need for such teachings, or has nothing along these > lines *to* teach. It possible his dharma was just to open the largest group possible to a simple meditation method--kind of an intro to meditation. > > What do people think? I'm certainly interested to hear > if such teachings *are* available, or even theoretically > available in the materials left to the "posterity" of > the TM movement. IME they are not available, but neither are many of the other important methods or techniques which are important to realization and the removal of obstacles in the path. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM "grad school?"
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > snip > > > So this has me wondering whether any counterpart of > this > type of knowledge and teaching has appeared in the > TM > movement. While I was around, certainly no TM > teacher > had ever been trained in how to talk to someone who > was > having enlightenment experiences. Has this changed? > > Does anyone know whether there are a group of > teachers > who *have* been taught how to teach those who are > having > such experiences? > > If the answer is "No," and no one knows of such a > group, > doesn't that raise the question of "Why?" > > To me it could imply that because of the basic dogma > that > enlightenment, once realized, is permanent and > "self- > sustaining" in that the enlightened being can "do no > > wrong," no need for such teachings is perceived. > > Or it could imply that, even though Maharishi is > clearly > "on his way out," incarnation-wise he perceives no > immed- > iate need for such teachings, or has nothing along > these > lines *to* teach. > > What do people think? I'm certainly interested to > hear > if such teachings *are* available, or even > theoretically > available in the materials left to the "posterity" > of > the TM movement. > > Unc There appears to be two very popular grad schools for TMers. These are the University of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and Amma State University. Others have also attended Gangaji A&M, and Karunamayi Teachers College. There are other grad schools too, but I haven't heard about them. > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM "grad school?"
So this has me wondering whether any counterpart of thistype of knowledge and teaching has appeared in the TMmovement. While I was around, certainly no TM teacherhad ever been trained in how to talk to someone who washaving enlightenment experiences. Has this changed? Does anyone know whether there are a group of teacherswho *have* been taught how to teach those who are havingsuch experiences? ---On the basis of the vagaries you just put to print I would suggest that this set of instructions doesn't exist in the Tibetan either except insofar as in your mind. If you are so sure that such a thing exists then you need to supply us credulous dopes with at least a partial list of titles of the teadhings so that we may ascertain for ourselve if such teachings were ever committed to print. My disbelief comes as a result of positing that there is such a thing or its equivalent as CC in the Vajrayana. For instance, the real analogy in the Vajrayana for enlightenment would be ascertaining the Trikaya which would be much more like Vedic Cognition. And this would be really just the start of clear experience of shunyata. The only real thing I can think which might be like what you mention was always freely available in the Madhiyatmikavatara, and that is the description of the bhumis. Of course in the Guhyagarbha there are a further five bhumis pertaining to Dzogchen that are not considered in the Mahayana. Does your friend suggest some other levels perhaps beyond these? I laugh at your naivete. I see now why you were a TM teacher, because you'll accept any fodder and sell it as high powered gasoline for Ferraris. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] TM "grad school?"
Yesterday I was exchanging emails with a friend who studies at Naropa, the school established in Boulder by Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. He was telling me of the general excitement of having a visiting Buddhist scholar who was an expert in a certain class of Tibetan spiritual texts. The difference between these texts and most of the others is that this set are written for those who are already beginning to experience enlightenment. The general "tone" that my friend was trying to con- vey via email is that in their tradition, what MMY refers to as CC is considered on a par with getting a Bachelor's degree. It's a nice starting point, but now the "real work" begins, in "grad school." So these texts (still in Tibetan, untranslated so far) present advice for those beginning to experience CC on a daily basis. According to my friend, they contain teachings on how to better understand what is happening and interpret it, but, more important, they discuss all of the possible pitfalls that are still in front of the seeker at this point. For example, he described a talk in which the visiting lama discussed "all the things that you're going to think you can get away with now that you have realized the first stages of enlighten- ment." The teacher's message? You can't. Not only will they hinder your further progress, they can make the realization itself go away. So this has me wondering whether any counterpart of this type of knowledge and teaching has appeared in the TM movement. While I was around, certainly no TM teacher had ever been trained in how to talk to someone who was having enlightenment experiences. Has this changed? Does anyone know whether there are a group of teachers who *have* been taught how to teach those who are having such experiences? If the answer is "No," and no one knows of such a group, doesn't that raise the question of "Why?" To me it could imply that because of the basic dogma that enlightenment, once realized, is permanent and "self- sustaining" in that the enlightened being can "do no wrong," no need for such teachings is perceived. Or it could imply that, even though Maharishi is clearly "on his way out," incarnation-wise he perceives no immed- iate need for such teachings, or has nothing along these lines *to* teach. What do people think? I'm certainly interested to hear if such teachings *are* available, or even theoretically available in the materials left to the "posterity" of the TM movement. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
