Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened
lurkernomore20002000 wrote: Bhairitu: Many of the mundane (non yoga related) groups I'm on behave more enlightened, balanced and sane than people here. I'm sure others have found this true too. Doesn't speak well for TM does it? Lurk: Big judgement. I think it does speak well for this group. Ever been to a quiet party? It's pretty boring. I'd rather have a active group dynamic that DOES require a little imposed discipline - if thats what it takes to keep things from degrading into pettiness. Bhairitu: Supposedly with TM that discipline is supposed to come from within. So what you are saying is it doesn't. Lurk: Bhairitu, let me tell you a secret I have learned, that has allowed me to be a little successful in my chosen field of sales. People like to talk. People LOVE to talk, espcially about themselves, especially about their opinions. And if you are willing to listen, you will find ourself making a friend. So, no, I don't think TM will instill enough self discipline to overcome this tendency. And I don't view it as a failure of TM. I view it as a positive thing that people here have opinions, and POVs that they want to express. Just remember one thing. God, (or whoever, or whatever), gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. Cute, but why do people in this group need more discipline than any other Yahoo group?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened
lurkernomore20002000 wrote: Lurk: Just remember one thing. God, (or whoever, or whatever), gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. Bhairitu: Cute, but why do people in this group need more discipline than any other Yahoo group? Lurk: Probably because we're all kind of family here. And you know how family is. Most everyone here, especially the main contributors have a shared history. If we're not bashing one another over the head, we're making nice. I'll tell you another secret Bhairitu, in our family of 5, (two adults, three kids), we need a referee (the parents)---constantly. One of the great misconceptions of life is that kids expect grownups will have outgrown some of the petty disputes that I know arise several times an hour in our household. That is a belly laugh joke, and explains, I think, one of the reasons why we have posting limits here. You must not get out much then (on the Internet that is). There are many Yahoo groups that I'm on where we're all kind of family. They don't have posting limits. Let me tell you a secret Lurk, we're all adults here and don't need any referees. Some of us don't have daddy issues. Either that or because you have kids you think you get to boss everyone else around just like you do your kids. Believe I've seen people like that and it is a good way to get a slap from me when someone tries to pull that shit on me in public. We have some upscale yuppievilles around here housing middle management types who think they can boss everyone around away from the job. Boy do they get a surprise when they try that shit on me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened
Well, I kind of agree. Though it's not meant to be a blanket statement. There is real wisdom and enlightenment in Ff---but it's also a very mixed bag. One of the most enlightened groups I belong to is an international group of mathematicians/scientists. a lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bhairitu: Many of the mundane (non yoga related) groups I'm on behave more enlightened, balanced and sane than people here. I'm sure others have found this true too. Doesn't speak well for TM does it? Lurk: Big judgement. I think it does speak well for this group. Ever been to a quiet party? It's pretty boring. I'd rather have a active group dynamic that DOES require a little imposed discipline - if thats what it takes to keep things from degrading into pettiness. Bhairitu: Supposedly with TM that discipline is supposed to come from within. So what you are saying is it doesn't. Lurk: Bhairitu, let me tell you a secret I have learned, that has allowed me to be a little successful in my chosen field of sales. People like to talk. People LOVE to talk, espcially about themselves, especially about their opinions. And if you are willing to listen, you will find ourself making a friend. So, no, I don't think TM will instill enough self discipline to overcome this tendency. And I don't view it as a failure of TM. I view it as a positive thing that people here have opinions, and POVs that they want to express. Just remember one thing. God, (or whoever, or whatever), gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened While I am glad for the posting limits, I think this latest rule, essentially requiring people to play nice with each other, is dumb and demeaning to everyone. It basically reduces Rick to the position of having to beseech people to mind their manners, and reduces everyone else to either whiners or flamers Or, in some cases, both. I hope it soon goes the way of teflon. Sal Because I’m too caught up in work and other matters to read most of the posts, it seems that little flame wars erupt and subside without my knowledge. If some serious and prolong abuse occurred and were brought to my attention, I’d deal with it, as long as we have a consensus that we want to restrict such behavior. We seemed to have such a consensus when we first established the rule, although it certainly wasn’t unanimous, and we can review and revise it any time we like. It seems to me that the intention to enforce some sort of civility has made the group more civil, without my having to do much enforcing. And I don’t think it has dumbed us down or suppressed creativity. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1078 - Release Date: 10/18/2007 5:47 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened
lurkernomore20002000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet we can drum up some more folks to join or at least lurkers who haven't ever posted who don't like these rules to *outnumber* the so-called consensus are return this group to open discussion. Lurk: I will make you a bet. How long would Lawson English last on any forum posting 30-40 messages a day? What would be patience of a group when a personal feud (on any given subject) can go on days at a time and last 50 posts or more - on just that subject. Yes, but most moderators would have booted him if the group found him annoying. But most people on groups just ignore people like that. When they don't get read and replied to, they go away. B: As I have said *before* this is the *only* group I know of on Yahoo that has *posting limits!* Lurk: So it's a bad idea, just on that basis? I really don't think many people would find it to be a cutting edge idea. B: There are groups that are highly moderated usually because they are of very narrow purpose such as software support groups. Many of the mundane (non yoga related) groups I'm on behave more enlightened, balanced and sane than people here. I'm sure others have found this true too. Doesn't speak well for TM does it? Lurk: Big judgement. I think it does speak well for this group. Ever been to a quiet party? It's pretty boring. I'd rather have a active group dynamic that DOES require a little imposed discipline - if thats what it takes to keep things from degrading into pettiness. Supposedly with TM that discipline is supposed to come from within. So what you are saying is it doesn't.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened
On Oct 19, 2007, at 7:20 PM, Rick Archer wrote: It just goes to show what impotent and unrealistic wimps vegetarians can become. Hey, I eat fish and chicken and I had a turkey sandwich today. (Petit Paris) Did you do the appropriate amount of mood-making afterwards to make up for enjoying that turkey sandwich, Rick? Sal
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kaladevi93 Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened It is these two who wholeheartedly hijacked this very group for months (years?). One is still just chomping at the bit waiting till she can vent her vitriolic Jihad here come Saturday. (or at least vent her swollen spleen on Barry). If both of these trolls had been ousted long, long ago by a savvy moderator, none of us would be STILL left suffering in their wake. It just goes to show what impotent and unrealistic wimps vegetarians can become. Hey, I eat fish and chicken and I had a turkey sandwich today. (Petit Paris) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1081 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:41 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened
Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened While I am glad for the posting limits, I think this latest rule, essentially requiring people to play nice with each other, is dumb and demeaning to everyone. It basically reduces Rick to the position of having to beseech people to mind their manners, and reduces everyone else to either whiners or flamers Or, in some cases, both. I hope it soon goes the way of teflon. Sal Because I’m too caught up in work and other matters to read most of the posts, it seems that little flame wars erupt and subside without my knowledge. If some serious and prolong abuse occurred and were brought to my attention, I’d deal with it, as long as we have a consensus that we want to restrict such behavior. We seemed to have such a consensus when we first established the rule, although it certainly wasn’t unanimous, and we can review and revise it any time we like. It seems to me that the intention to enforce some sort of civility has made the group more civil, without my having to do much enforcing. And I don’t think it has dumbed us down or suppressed creativity. I bet we can drum up some more folks to join or at least lurkers who haven't ever posted who don't like these rules to *outnumber* the so-called consensus are return this group to open discussion. As I have said *before* this is the *only* group I know of on Yahoo that has *posting limits!* There are groups that are highly moderated usually because they are of very narrow purpose such as software support groups. Many of the mundane (non yoga related) groups I'm on behave more enlightened, balanced and sane than people here. I'm sure others have found this true too. Doesn't speak well for TM does it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of t3rinity Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 10:25 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I play more of a moderator role, because somebody needs to, but as you know, I want to interfere as little as possible and basically let the group run on automatic pilot, which it usually does. Now that answers the question, Who is in control? We are on autopilot.. Sure, but if a plane is flying on autopilot, the pilots still have to sit there and occasionally intervene. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1078 - Release Date: 10/18/2007 5:47 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened This notion of Rick Archer as rules-wielding fascist is utterly ridiculous. It was with great reluctance that he even put in place FFL's posting limits, and in all the years, only one person has ever been permanently banned from FFL. The Wed Night Yahoo Group is supposed to be an extension of the group that meets in Tom T's livingroom, and the biggest problem is that laissez-faire Rick doesn't run the Yahoo Group like Tom runs his livingroom. I set up the Wednesday night chat because I know how, not because I want to run it. I’m just a technician there, mostly sending out occasional invitations, usually at Tom’s request. I’m not a moderator and don’t want to be. Here in FFL of course, I play more of a moderator role, because somebody needs to, but as you know, I want to interfere as little as possible and basically let the group run on automatic pilot, which it usually does. A more controlling role would directly contradict the mission of the group, as stated in the description: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fairfieldlife/. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1078 - Release Date: 10/18/2007 5:47 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened
On Oct 19, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Can't keep track of who's in and who's out here--that fascist Archer must be practicing mind-control again. This notion of Rick Archer as rules-wielding fascist is utterly ridiculous. It was with great reluctance that he even put in place FFL's posting limits, and in all the years, only one person has ever been permanently banned from FFL. The Wed Night Yahoo Group is supposed to be an extension of the group that meets in Tom T's livingroom, and the biggest problem is that laissez-faire Rick doesn't run the Yahoo Group like Tom runs his livingroom. Alex, I was *joking,* for crying out loud--do I really have to put those silly little smiley faces every time I want to make a funny? While I am glad for the posting limits, I think this latest rule, essentially requiring people to play nice with each other, is dumb and demeaning to everyone. It basically reduces Rick to the position of having to beseech people to mind their manners, and reduces everyone else to either whiners or flamers Or, in some cases, both. I hope it soon goes the way of teflon. Sal
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:45 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened I'm not lost. I'm here. The path is lost. I just don't have a lot of posts left is why I've been silent. To the chagrin of some, I'll resume talking on Monday. The 35-post-per-week count resets Friday at midnight, so you may resume then if you wish. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1078 - Release Date: 10/18/2007 5:47 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened
On Oct 18, 2007, at 9:54 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: females with strong opinions, or insights, just don't last. (Judy excluded) Don't forget Sal! Heh, heh, thanks, Curtis. :) But I doubt I can hold a candle to Judy in that department. We lost both Bronte and Angela in one evening--we must be doing something right. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened
On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:15 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We lost both Bronte and Angela in one evening--we must be doing something right. Must have missed that losing Angela part. Oh, I thought she was dropping out too--maybe she meant out of the WNC group. Can't keep track of who's in and who's out here--that fascist Archer must be practicing mind-control again. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Angela Tells It to The FF Enlightened
I'm not lost. I'm here. The path is lost. I just don't have a lot of posts left is why I've been silent. To the chagrin of some, I'll resume talking on Monday. . Once again, I've drawn comparisons, I've not drawn conclusions from them. Why is everyone drawing those conclusions? And why is everyone drawing the same conclusion, namely that Ff folks are a bunch of fascists? Did I ever say that? Another possible conclusion would be that the German fascists were really as enlightened as the Ff folks believe themselves to be. I'll suggest a third possibility and maybe a fourth. Right now I'm turning into a pumpkin. a Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:15 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: We lost both Bronte and Angela in one evening--we must be doing something right. Must have missed that losing Angela part. Oh, I thought she was dropping out too--maybe she meant out of the WNC group. Can't keep track of who's in and who's out here--that fascist Archer must be practicing mind-control again. Sal Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
